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This decades “health woo”
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4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.
Please clarify this post- a small percentage of MFPers claim calorie counting is the "one true diet"?
Isn't the poster saying, only a small percentage of mfp - ers would dispute that calorie deficit =weight loss. However, they then go on to say that claiming cico is the one true diet, is woo?
That's the trouble with using lots of negatives. I'm confused
Eta :hang on, I think it's that a distinction is being made between calorie deficit and calorie counting0 -
comptonelizabeth wrote: »4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.
Please clarify this post- a small percentage of MFPers claim calorie counting is the "one true diet"?
Isn't the poster saying, only a small percentage of mfp - ers would dispute that calorie deficit =weight loss. However, they then go on to say that claiming cico is the one true diet, is woo?
That's the trouble with using lots of negatives. I'm confused
I was referencing 'some' peoples instance at preaching calorie counting and eating in moderation as the 'true model' to achieve CICO.
As this appears to be a lighthearted jokey thread, I was just joshing at the people who can't help themselves from jumping in on the backs of Clean Eating, LCHF, KETO, Vegan etc.. threads and disregarding answering the OP's questions about a different dieting models they are looking to try, in order to help them achieve a CICO deficit and just pushing moderation and calorie counting on them.
Sorry didn't mean to confuse you.9 -
Atkins was in the 60's so we've done the sugar thing. HAAS is recent. Protein shakes/supplements have been around forever.It seems like each decade/period of time has some health thing that is all the rage and then later people roll their eyes at it. What do you think this decades will be?
Sugar is the enemy?
HAAS?
Protein shakes/supplements?
Everything somehow recycles with a new twist on it.
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »comptonelizabeth wrote: »4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.
Please clarify this post- a small percentage of MFPers claim calorie counting is the "one true diet"?
Isn't the poster saying, only a small percentage of mfp - ers would dispute that calorie deficit =weight loss. However, they then go on to say that claiming cico is the one true diet, is woo?
That's the trouble with using lots of negatives. I'm confused
I was referencing 'some' peoples instance at preaching calorie counting and eating in moderation as the 'true model' to achieve CICO.
As this appears to be a lighthearted jokey thread, I was just joshing at the people who can't help themselves from jumping in on the backs of Clean Eating, LCHF, KETO, Vegan etc.. threads and disregarding answering the OP's questions about a different dieting models they are looking to try, in order to help them achieve a CICO deficit and just pushing moderation and calorie counting on them.
Sorry didn't mean to confuse you.
Ahh so you were trolling, got it.
In all seriousness I don’t see what you are seeing, regarding pushing calorie counting, or moderation. I see people letting folks know that a calorie deficit is what’s required for weight loss. Occasionally in CICO threads the conversation turns to calorie counting but that’s usually because someone is using CICO and calorie counting interchangeably and people are clarifying that misunderstanding but adding that counting calories is a good way to ensure you’re in a calorie deficit, regardless of how you choose to eat and what “diet” you’re following. Discussions of “moderation” as a diet actually aren’t as prominently features as they used to be, maybe you’re thinking back to a few years ago when there were ongoing debates about the merits of restricting certain foods vs moderation in all things. I still think moderation is a core value for many successful members, but I certainly don’t see it being pushed and not as the only choice for all people. I think many of us recognize and acknowledge that dietary choices are Individualized and what works for one may not work for everyone, and that the only hard and fast requirement is a calorie deficit with achieving adequate nutrition also supremely important.
I only wish the mainstream media and blogosphere pushing fads like clean eating, keto, paleo, etc had the same respect for other ways of eating...15 -
Ketosis .... idk what is dr oz talking about lately? That should give us an idea.4
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WinoGelato wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »comptonelizabeth wrote: »4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.
Please clarify this post- a small percentage of MFPers claim calorie counting is the "one true diet"?
Isn't the poster saying, only a small percentage of mfp - ers would dispute that calorie deficit =weight loss. However, they then go on to say that claiming cico is the one true diet, is woo?
That's the trouble with using lots of negatives. I'm confused
I was referencing 'some' peoples instance at preaching calorie counting and eating in moderation as the 'true model' to achieve CICO.
As this appears to be a lighthearted jokey thread, I was just joshing at the people who can't help themselves from jumping in on the backs of Clean Eating, LCHF, KETO, Vegan etc.. threads and disregarding answering the OP's questions about a different dieting models they are looking to try, in order to help them achieve a CICO deficit and just pushing moderation and calorie counting on them.
Sorry didn't mean to confuse you.
Ahh so you were trolling, got it.
In all seriousness I don’t see what you are seeing, regarding pushing calorie counting, or moderation. I see people letting folks know that a calorie deficit is what’s required for weight loss. Occasionally in CICO threads the conversation turns to calorie counting but that’s usually because someone is using CICO and calorie counting interchangeably and people are clarifying that misunderstanding but adding that counting calories is a good way to ensure you’re in a calorie deficit, regardless of how you choose to eat and what “diet” you’re following. Discussions of “moderation” as a diet actually aren’t as prominently features as they used to be, maybe you’re thinking back to a few years ago when there were ongoing debates about the merits of restricting certain foods vs moderation in all things. I still think moderation is a core value for many successful members, but I certainly don’t see it being pushed and not as the only choice for all people. I think many of us recognize and acknowledge that dietary choices are Individualized and what works for one may not work for everyone, and that the only hard and fast requirement is a calorie deficit with achieving adequate nutrition also supremely important.
I only wish the mainstream media and blogosphere pushing fads like clean eating, keto, paleo, etc had the same respect for other ways of eating...
+1. Well said! I see this essentially the same.4 -
WinoGelato wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »comptonelizabeth wrote: »4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.
Please clarify this post- a small percentage of MFPers claim calorie counting is the "one true diet"?
Isn't the poster saying, only a small percentage of mfp - ers would dispute that calorie deficit =weight loss. However, they then go on to say that claiming cico is the one true diet, is woo?
That's the trouble with using lots of negatives. I'm confused
I was referencing 'some' peoples instance at preaching calorie counting and eating in moderation as the 'true model' to achieve CICO.
As this appears to be a lighthearted jokey thread, I was just joshing at the people who can't help themselves from jumping in on the backs of Clean Eating, LCHF, KETO, Vegan etc.. threads and disregarding answering the OP's questions about a different dieting models they are looking to try, in order to help them achieve a CICO deficit and just pushing moderation and calorie counting on them.
Sorry didn't mean to confuse you.
Ahh so you were trolling, got it.
In all seriousness I don’t see what you are seeing, regarding pushing calorie counting, or moderation. I see people letting folks know that a calorie deficit is what’s required for weight loss. Occasionally in CICO threads the conversation turns to calorie counting but that’s usually because someone is using CICO and calorie counting interchangeably and people are clarifying that misunderstanding but adding that counting calories is a good way to ensure you’re in a calorie deficit, regardless of how you choose to eat and what “diet” you’re following. Discussions of “moderation” as a diet actually aren’t as prominently features as they used to be, maybe you’re thinking back to a few years ago when there were ongoing debates about the merits of restricting certain foods vs moderation in all things. I still think moderation is a core value for many successful members, but I certainly don’t see it being pushed and not as the only choice for all people. I think many of us recognize and acknowledge that dietary choices are Individualized and what works for one may not work for everyone, and that the only hard and fast requirement is a calorie deficit with achieving adequate nutrition also supremely important.
I only wish the mainstream media and blogosphere pushing fads like clean eating, keto, paleo, etc had the same respect for other ways of eating...
+1. Well said! I see this essentially the same.
Just being as lighthearted and dismissive as most others on this thread.13 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »comptonelizabeth wrote: »4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.
Please clarify this post- a small percentage of MFPers claim calorie counting is the "one true diet"?
Isn't the poster saying, only a small percentage of mfp - ers would dispute that calorie deficit =weight loss. However, they then go on to say that claiming cico is the one true diet, is woo?
That's the trouble with using lots of negatives. I'm confused
I was referencing 'some' peoples instance at preaching calorie counting and eating in moderation as the 'true model' to achieve CICO.
As this appears to be a lighthearted jokey thread, I was just joshing at the people who can't help themselves from jumping in on the backs of Clean Eating, LCHF, KETO, Vegan etc.. threads and disregarding answering the OP's questions about a different dieting models they are looking to try, in order to help them achieve a CICO deficit and just pushing moderation and calorie counting on them.
Sorry didn't mean to confuse you.
Ahh so you were trolling, got it.
In all seriousness I don’t see what you are seeing, regarding pushing calorie counting, or moderation. I see people letting folks know that a calorie deficit is what’s required for weight loss. Occasionally in CICO threads the conversation turns to calorie counting but that’s usually because someone is using CICO and calorie counting interchangeably and people are clarifying that misunderstanding but adding that counting calories is a good way to ensure you’re in a calorie deficit, regardless of how you choose to eat and what “diet” you’re following. Discussions of “moderation” as a diet actually aren’t as prominently features as they used to be, maybe you’re thinking back to a few years ago when there were ongoing debates about the merits of restricting certain foods vs moderation in all things. I still think moderation is a core value for many successful members, but I certainly don’t see it being pushed and not as the only choice for all people. I think many of us recognize and acknowledge that dietary choices are Individualized and what works for one may not work for everyone, and that the only hard and fast requirement is a calorie deficit with achieving adequate nutrition also supremely important.
I only wish the mainstream media and blogosphere pushing fads like clean eating, keto, paleo, etc had the same respect for other ways of eating...
+1. Well said! I see this essentially the same.
Just being as lighthearted and dismissive as most others on this thread.
Being dismissive seems to be one of your strongest skills.13 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »comptonelizabeth wrote: »4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.
Please clarify this post- a small percentage of MFPers claim calorie counting is the "one true diet"?
Isn't the poster saying, only a small percentage of mfp - ers would dispute that calorie deficit =weight loss. However, they then go on to say that claiming cico is the one true diet, is woo?
That's the trouble with using lots of negatives. I'm confused
I was referencing 'some' peoples instance at preaching calorie counting and eating in moderation as the 'true model' to achieve CICO.
As this appears to be a lighthearted jokey thread, I was just joshing at the people who can't help themselves from jumping in on the backs of Clean Eating, LCHF, KETO, Vegan etc.. threads and disregarding answering the OP's questions about a different dieting models they are looking to try, in order to help them achieve a CICO deficit and just pushing moderation and calorie counting on them.
Sorry didn't mean to confuse you.
Ahh so you were trolling, got it.
In all seriousness I don’t see what you are seeing, regarding pushing calorie counting, or moderation. I see people letting folks know that a calorie deficit is what’s required for weight loss. Occasionally in CICO threads the conversation turns to calorie counting but that’s usually because someone is using CICO and calorie counting interchangeably and people are clarifying that misunderstanding but adding that counting calories is a good way to ensure you’re in a calorie deficit, regardless of how you choose to eat and what “diet” you’re following. Discussions of “moderation” as a diet actually aren’t as prominently features as they used to be, maybe you’re thinking back to a few years ago when there were ongoing debates about the merits of restricting certain foods vs moderation in all things. I still think moderation is a core value for many successful members, but I certainly don’t see it being pushed and not as the only choice for all people. I think many of us recognize and acknowledge that dietary choices are Individualized and what works for one may not work for everyone, and that the only hard and fast requirement is a calorie deficit with achieving adequate nutrition also supremely important.
I only wish the mainstream media and blogosphere pushing fads like clean eating, keto, paleo, etc had the same respect for other ways of eating...
+1. Well said! I see this essentially the same.
Just being as lighthearted and dismissive as most others on this thread.
Being dismissive seems to be one of your strongest skills.
It seems a strong skill of many around here.13 -
ok ok, move on guys. If it dissolves to attacking you will get warned.
Thanks,
4legs
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4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.
Please clarify this post- a small percentage of MFPers claim calorie counting is the "one true diet"?
Would like to understand that also. I don't recall ever seeing that claim.
It's a popular strawman to build, but like Sasquatch only exists in fantasy.5 -
4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »ok ok, move on guys. If it dissolves to attacking you will get warned.
Thanks,
4legs
MFP moderator
Best not mess with Thanos the moderator or he will ban 50% of you.14 -
4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »ok ok, move on guys. If it dissolves to attacking you will get warnedbanned.
Thanks,
4legs
MFP moderator
FIFY
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ok ok, move on guys. If it dissolves to attacking you will get warned banned wiped from existence.
Thanks,
4legs
MFP moderator
FIFY
FIFY, since the Infinity Gauntlet is involved.
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Health woos of the decade: Bullet proof coffee, MCT/coconut oil, keto (because it sounds so much better than Atkins or LCHF), Paleo/Agenda that everyone should only eat non processed "natural" food, Dr. Oz product pushing (does for entertainment purposes yet people think he is giving legitimate medical advice), insulin > CICO (kcals don't matter belief), Detox/laxative abuse/"celebrity diets", Raw veganism agenda, attack on science (being controversial for the sake of controversy much of which stems from Internet stupidity/aka social media & people who are completely out of their realm...ex) Celebrity anti vaccine agenda), IF (more extreme, hCG diet), graston ART (scar tissue release therapy)
Being consistent, spending time/having patience, & hard work = foreign language for many who want instant gratification & are swayed far too easily by emotions, opinions, marketing, & half truths11 -
Woo *oh forgot SARMs & "not for human consumption, for research purposes only" substances loop hole (a bit more underground topic but has been brought to congress more recently)2
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Keto_Vampire wrote: »Woo *oh forgot SARMs & "not for human consumption, for research purposes only" substances loop hole...
It's very interesting how SARMs have slid by for even this long.1 -
Noel_57 wrote: »
I vote for hypothyroid. The ultimate fad disease. Just about everyone here claims they have it, and blame their weight problem on it.
Hypothyroid is a real medical issue, diagnosed through blood work by a medical doctor. If you've never had it, you don't know how awful it can make you feel.6 -
I have always said, I would never wish for anyone to have any thyroid disorder! I might just have changed my mind.
I'm not going to wade through all these replies to find Noel_57 full comment. Were I to change my mind and wish someone hypothyroid experience it would possibly be this person because of this statement, "vote for hypothyroid. The ultimate fad disease".
Here in the UK achieving a thyroid diagnosis is very difficult. Doctors are reluctant to test for them and as for the more common hypo, commonly expressed as Hashimoto's they will not test for antibodies. We have one format of pill which contains dairy extracts as fillers! Many if not most people who are Hashimoto's have difficulty, sorry allergies to either Lactose or more commonly Casein the milk protein. The underlying causes of Hashimoto's and Graves, hyper, are not fully understood, scientific research is improving understanding slowly.
The most deplorable thing is not the ignorance in wider society, its that which proliferates in the medical profession, to make matters worse, a person's symptoms are disregarded, one official count of symptoms stands at 300 complaints, the testing numbers game being all. Should someone be comfortable at the bottom of "Normal Range" or is this person debilitated because these numbers are not normal for them?
I also tentatively wonder if possibly Noel has a down on women. Women are more often affected by this, often life restricting, debilitating thyroid problem. Its in the scientific data, 1 man for 8 and counting women! The proportion, at one time said to be 40% of society is increasing with time.
Having a thyroid issues is something you need to experience first hand, possibly second hand through a friend or family member to understand the range of their difficulties, Please don't scoff.5
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