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This decades “health woo”
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I came across this at the local home show.
https://greenteahawaii.com/
$89 a box to guarantee you get your day's worth of antioxidants and trace minerals.0 -
I'm really sorry you had to go through this, and you're so right to be pushing your sister. If you're in the US you have a right to a copy of your medical records, including lab results, maybe she can request those and go for a second opinion (yes, that's hard, especially if you're planning to continue seeing the original doctor, but sometimes it's necessary.)
Privacy Rule:
The Privacy Rule gives you, with few exceptions, the right to inspect, review, and receive a copy of your medical records and billing records that are held by health plans and health care providers covered by the Privacy Rule.
Patients have a right to participate in their own medical care, and sometimes advocating for ones' self is the only way to get appropriate treatment.
Best of luck to both of you.
*sigh* I know and I have been pushing for her to go get those numbers but she won't take my concerns seriously. She doesn't want to deal with the hassle.
I've just moved back to this area and I know one thing - I am NOT seeing that doctor! My doctors in Morgantown, WV always gave me the numbers. I could log on to see them, and after every visit, I even was given a print out with all the information from the visit, any readings they took, and the doctors comments and recommendations. My PCP there was wonderful, and the endocrinologist was okay, though I wanted to try the natural thyroid because though they have my TSH extremely low as part of the cancer treatment, I'm still showing hypo symptoms - low symptoms, depression, etc. She wouldnt' do it - said it wasn't recommended for patients without thyroids and being treated for cancer.
Since I moved, I'll be switching endos, so I'm going to bring the issue up again.
@DeanaFisher : thanks for the information! Since I'm switching doctors, I'll try the ThyCa web forum and see if I can find a good one close by1 -
Oh one that was plastered all over FB for a good while was a special coffee. And if course the magical teas like Fittea or whatever it's called.2
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »That any single food is to blame for obesity.
The insulin fairy (it's bad science, people).
That sugar is evil.
GMO fear mongering
Keto
Any diet cultism
Paleo
Bullet proof coffee
Definitely the "insulin fairy" as the overarching one of the decade. I see the "sugar is the debil", Keto and Paleo as all subsets of that. Sadly, most of those that bark up the insulin tree don't even really understand what insulin does physiologically and think it stores fat magically. In the end, if you don't have excess energy to store (energy balance), you are going to make fat.
Once someone is Insulin Resistant you have a whole other ball game but insulin wasn't the problem to begin with in most cases. It was the unrestrained overeating and obesity that was caused by that. With a small % of folks with a genetic component, IR doesn't happen to people at a normal body weight/ BMI.
Just wanted to add it happened to me . 4 ft 11 in 100 pounds diagnosed with IR and PCOS. Completely healthy otherwise.0 -
Social media fitness/nutrition "experts". There are really good/respected individuals that used social media, but so much crap out there in these fields.0
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This decades health "woo":
That CICO doesn't work for everyone....lol
That certain foods, diets, "hormones" negate CICO .....LOLZ
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Alkaline water2
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suzannesimmons3 wrote: »byustrongman wrote: »Chronic Lyme Disease
Morgellon's
Actually i know a woman that took 30 years to be diagnosed properly with Lymes. ...its a terrible disease.
It's a terrible disease! The panel for it often is a false negative. An aunt of mine got it from her husband (unknowingly of course- it can can be transmitted through sex). She had symptoms for over 8 years with no answers. She finally got her answer when another test was run and gave the positive result and she began treatment. Her husband isn't so lucky- it started to deteriorate his joints and he is on his second hip replacement at the age of 55. I'm not too sure the reasoning behind this test not FDA approved but you think it would be since the typical test is often known for giving a false negative!2 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »I'm really sorry you had to go through this, and you're so right to be pushing your sister. If you're in the US you have a right to a copy of your medical records, including lab results, maybe she can request those and go for a second opinion (yes, that's hard, especially if you're planning to continue seeing the original doctor, but sometimes it's necessary.)
Privacy Rule:
The Privacy Rule gives you, with few exceptions, the right to inspect, review, and receive a copy of your medical records and billing records that are held by health plans and health care providers covered by the Privacy Rule.
Patients have a right to participate in their own medical care, and sometimes advocating for ones' self is the only way to get appropriate treatment.
Best of luck to both of you.
*sigh* I know and I have been pushing for her to go get those numbers but she won't take my concerns seriously. She doesn't want to deal with the hassle.
I've just moved back to this area and I know one thing - I am NOT seeing that doctor! My doctors in Morgantown, WV always gave me the numbers. I could log on to see them, and after every visit, I even was given a print out with all the information from the visit, any readings they took, and the doctors comments and recommendations. My PCP there was wonderful, and the endocrinologist was okay, though I wanted to try the natural thyroid because though they have my TSH extremely low as part of the cancer treatment, I'm still showing hypo symptoms - low symptoms, depression, etc. She wouldnt' do it - said it wasn't recommended for patients without thyroids and being treated for cancer.
Since I moved, I'll be switching endos, so I'm going to bring the issue up again.
@DeanaFisher : thanks for the information! Since I'm switching doctors, I'll try the ThyCa web forum and see if I can find a good one close by
Yeah, I would get a new doctor if mine wouldn't give me numbers. Good grief.2 -
@ninjacakegirl A few people did not like my comment, but they didn't understand. I wasn't referring to the minority who actually have a thyroid condition. I was talking about the people you describe in your second paragraph. This is what seems to make it a "fad" disease. Not that it doesn't exist, but that it seems too many people assume they have it just use it as an excuse.
I understood that you were not referring to the minority who actually have a thyroid condition. You meant people like the British belly dancer who assumed she had a slow metabolism, and then she got tested and found her metabolism was fine - she was simply eating too much.4 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I think today's biggest woo is the Paleo Diet. So much nonsense but just their stance on legumes is enough.
Ditto. I couldn't get past the hating on legumes.6 -
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Anything promoted by Dr. Oz.4
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Keto diet
Paleo diet
Carbs are bad
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Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!22
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.15 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.16 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.
Please clarify this post- a small percentage of MFPers claim calorie counting is the "one true diet"?
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4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.
Please clarify this post- a small percentage of MFPers claim calorie counting is the "one true diet"?
Would like to understand that also. I don't recall ever seeing that claim.3 -
4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.
Please clarify this post- a small percentage of MFPers claim calorie counting is the "one true diet"?
Isn't the poster saying, only a small percentage of mfp - ers would dispute that calorie deficit =weight loss. However, they then go on to say that claiming cico is the one true diet, is woo?
That's the trouble with using lots of negatives. I'm confused
Eta :hang on, I think it's that a distinction is being made between calorie deficit and calorie counting0 -
comptonelizabeth wrote: »4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.
Please clarify this post- a small percentage of MFPers claim calorie counting is the "one true diet"?
Isn't the poster saying, only a small percentage of mfp - ers would dispute that calorie deficit =weight loss. However, they then go on to say that claiming cico is the one true diet, is woo?
That's the trouble with using lots of negatives. I'm confused
I was referencing 'some' peoples instance at preaching calorie counting and eating in moderation as the 'true model' to achieve CICO.
As this appears to be a lighthearted jokey thread, I was just joshing at the people who can't help themselves from jumping in on the backs of Clean Eating, LCHF, KETO, Vegan etc.. threads and disregarding answering the OP's questions about a different dieting models they are looking to try, in order to help them achieve a CICO deficit and just pushing moderation and calorie counting on them.
Sorry didn't mean to confuse you.9 -
Atkins was in the 60's so we've done the sugar thing. HAAS is recent. Protein shakes/supplements have been around forever.It seems like each decade/period of time has some health thing that is all the rage and then later people roll their eyes at it. What do you think this decades will be?
Sugar is the enemy?
HAAS?
Protein shakes/supplements?
Everything somehow recycles with a new twist on it.
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »comptonelizabeth wrote: »4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.
Please clarify this post- a small percentage of MFPers claim calorie counting is the "one true diet"?
Isn't the poster saying, only a small percentage of mfp - ers would dispute that calorie deficit =weight loss. However, they then go on to say that claiming cico is the one true diet, is woo?
That's the trouble with using lots of negatives. I'm confused
I was referencing 'some' peoples instance at preaching calorie counting and eating in moderation as the 'true model' to achieve CICO.
As this appears to be a lighthearted jokey thread, I was just joshing at the people who can't help themselves from jumping in on the backs of Clean Eating, LCHF, KETO, Vegan etc.. threads and disregarding answering the OP's questions about a different dieting models they are looking to try, in order to help them achieve a CICO deficit and just pushing moderation and calorie counting on them.
Sorry didn't mean to confuse you.
Ahh so you were trolling, got it.
In all seriousness I don’t see what you are seeing, regarding pushing calorie counting, or moderation. I see people letting folks know that a calorie deficit is what’s required for weight loss. Occasionally in CICO threads the conversation turns to calorie counting but that’s usually because someone is using CICO and calorie counting interchangeably and people are clarifying that misunderstanding but adding that counting calories is a good way to ensure you’re in a calorie deficit, regardless of how you choose to eat and what “diet” you’re following. Discussions of “moderation” as a diet actually aren’t as prominently features as they used to be, maybe you’re thinking back to a few years ago when there were ongoing debates about the merits of restricting certain foods vs moderation in all things. I still think moderation is a core value for many successful members, but I certainly don’t see it being pushed and not as the only choice for all people. I think many of us recognize and acknowledge that dietary choices are Individualized and what works for one may not work for everyone, and that the only hard and fast requirement is a calorie deficit with achieving adequate nutrition also supremely important.
I only wish the mainstream media and blogosphere pushing fads like clean eating, keto, paleo, etc had the same respect for other ways of eating...15 -
Ketosis .... idk what is dr oz talking about lately? That should give us an idea.4
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WinoGelato wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »comptonelizabeth wrote: »4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.
Please clarify this post- a small percentage of MFPers claim calorie counting is the "one true diet"?
Isn't the poster saying, only a small percentage of mfp - ers would dispute that calorie deficit =weight loss. However, they then go on to say that claiming cico is the one true diet, is woo?
That's the trouble with using lots of negatives. I'm confused
I was referencing 'some' peoples instance at preaching calorie counting and eating in moderation as the 'true model' to achieve CICO.
As this appears to be a lighthearted jokey thread, I was just joshing at the people who can't help themselves from jumping in on the backs of Clean Eating, LCHF, KETO, Vegan etc.. threads and disregarding answering the OP's questions about a different dieting models they are looking to try, in order to help them achieve a CICO deficit and just pushing moderation and calorie counting on them.
Sorry didn't mean to confuse you.
Ahh so you were trolling, got it.
In all seriousness I don’t see what you are seeing, regarding pushing calorie counting, or moderation. I see people letting folks know that a calorie deficit is what’s required for weight loss. Occasionally in CICO threads the conversation turns to calorie counting but that’s usually because someone is using CICO and calorie counting interchangeably and people are clarifying that misunderstanding but adding that counting calories is a good way to ensure you’re in a calorie deficit, regardless of how you choose to eat and what “diet” you’re following. Discussions of “moderation” as a diet actually aren’t as prominently features as they used to be, maybe you’re thinking back to a few years ago when there were ongoing debates about the merits of restricting certain foods vs moderation in all things. I still think moderation is a core value for many successful members, but I certainly don’t see it being pushed and not as the only choice for all people. I think many of us recognize and acknowledge that dietary choices are Individualized and what works for one may not work for everyone, and that the only hard and fast requirement is a calorie deficit with achieving adequate nutrition also supremely important.
I only wish the mainstream media and blogosphere pushing fads like clean eating, keto, paleo, etc had the same respect for other ways of eating...
+1. Well said! I see this essentially the same.4 -
WinoGelato wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »comptonelizabeth wrote: »4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.
Please clarify this post- a small percentage of MFPers claim calorie counting is the "one true diet"?
Isn't the poster saying, only a small percentage of mfp - ers would dispute that calorie deficit =weight loss. However, they then go on to say that claiming cico is the one true diet, is woo?
That's the trouble with using lots of negatives. I'm confused
I was referencing 'some' peoples instance at preaching calorie counting and eating in moderation as the 'true model' to achieve CICO.
As this appears to be a lighthearted jokey thread, I was just joshing at the people who can't help themselves from jumping in on the backs of Clean Eating, LCHF, KETO, Vegan etc.. threads and disregarding answering the OP's questions about a different dieting models they are looking to try, in order to help them achieve a CICO deficit and just pushing moderation and calorie counting on them.
Sorry didn't mean to confuse you.
Ahh so you were trolling, got it.
In all seriousness I don’t see what you are seeing, regarding pushing calorie counting, or moderation. I see people letting folks know that a calorie deficit is what’s required for weight loss. Occasionally in CICO threads the conversation turns to calorie counting but that’s usually because someone is using CICO and calorie counting interchangeably and people are clarifying that misunderstanding but adding that counting calories is a good way to ensure you’re in a calorie deficit, regardless of how you choose to eat and what “diet” you’re following. Discussions of “moderation” as a diet actually aren’t as prominently features as they used to be, maybe you’re thinking back to a few years ago when there were ongoing debates about the merits of restricting certain foods vs moderation in all things. I still think moderation is a core value for many successful members, but I certainly don’t see it being pushed and not as the only choice for all people. I think many of us recognize and acknowledge that dietary choices are Individualized and what works for one may not work for everyone, and that the only hard and fast requirement is a calorie deficit with achieving adequate nutrition also supremely important.
I only wish the mainstream media and blogosphere pushing fads like clean eating, keto, paleo, etc had the same respect for other ways of eating...
+1. Well said! I see this essentially the same.
Just being as lighthearted and dismissive as most others on this thread.13 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »comptonelizabeth wrote: »4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.
Please clarify this post- a small percentage of MFPers claim calorie counting is the "one true diet"?
Isn't the poster saying, only a small percentage of mfp - ers would dispute that calorie deficit =weight loss. However, they then go on to say that claiming cico is the one true diet, is woo?
That's the trouble with using lots of negatives. I'm confused
I was referencing 'some' peoples instance at preaching calorie counting and eating in moderation as the 'true model' to achieve CICO.
As this appears to be a lighthearted jokey thread, I was just joshing at the people who can't help themselves from jumping in on the backs of Clean Eating, LCHF, KETO, Vegan etc.. threads and disregarding answering the OP's questions about a different dieting models they are looking to try, in order to help them achieve a CICO deficit and just pushing moderation and calorie counting on them.
Sorry didn't mean to confuse you.
Ahh so you were trolling, got it.
In all seriousness I don’t see what you are seeing, regarding pushing calorie counting, or moderation. I see people letting folks know that a calorie deficit is what’s required for weight loss. Occasionally in CICO threads the conversation turns to calorie counting but that’s usually because someone is using CICO and calorie counting interchangeably and people are clarifying that misunderstanding but adding that counting calories is a good way to ensure you’re in a calorie deficit, regardless of how you choose to eat and what “diet” you’re following. Discussions of “moderation” as a diet actually aren’t as prominently features as they used to be, maybe you’re thinking back to a few years ago when there were ongoing debates about the merits of restricting certain foods vs moderation in all things. I still think moderation is a core value for many successful members, but I certainly don’t see it being pushed and not as the only choice for all people. I think many of us recognize and acknowledge that dietary choices are Individualized and what works for one may not work for everyone, and that the only hard and fast requirement is a calorie deficit with achieving adequate nutrition also supremely important.
I only wish the mainstream media and blogosphere pushing fads like clean eating, keto, paleo, etc had the same respect for other ways of eating...
+1. Well said! I see this essentially the same.
Just being as lighthearted and dismissive as most others on this thread.
Being dismissive seems to be one of your strongest skills.13 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »comptonelizabeth wrote: »4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Calorie counting and moderation is the only way to lose weight!
Counting calories certainly isn't required to lose weight. But being in a calorie deficit is. It's the only way weight loss happens.
And on that note, I'd say this decade's health woo is people who don't believe that you have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. Might as well go around loudly proclaiming that the Earth is flat.
I don’t disagree with you that a calorie deficit is what causes weight loss.
I would say it’s a very small percentage of people on MFP that believe or proclaim otherwise. Certainly on MFP a smaller percentage than proclaim the health woo that calorie counting / moderation is the ‘one true diet’ IMHO.
Please clarify this post- a small percentage of MFPers claim calorie counting is the "one true diet"?
Isn't the poster saying, only a small percentage of mfp - ers would dispute that calorie deficit =weight loss. However, they then go on to say that claiming cico is the one true diet, is woo?
That's the trouble with using lots of negatives. I'm confused
I was referencing 'some' peoples instance at preaching calorie counting and eating in moderation as the 'true model' to achieve CICO.
As this appears to be a lighthearted jokey thread, I was just joshing at the people who can't help themselves from jumping in on the backs of Clean Eating, LCHF, KETO, Vegan etc.. threads and disregarding answering the OP's questions about a different dieting models they are looking to try, in order to help them achieve a CICO deficit and just pushing moderation and calorie counting on them.
Sorry didn't mean to confuse you.
Ahh so you were trolling, got it.
In all seriousness I don’t see what you are seeing, regarding pushing calorie counting, or moderation. I see people letting folks know that a calorie deficit is what’s required for weight loss. Occasionally in CICO threads the conversation turns to calorie counting but that’s usually because someone is using CICO and calorie counting interchangeably and people are clarifying that misunderstanding but adding that counting calories is a good way to ensure you’re in a calorie deficit, regardless of how you choose to eat and what “diet” you’re following. Discussions of “moderation” as a diet actually aren’t as prominently features as they used to be, maybe you’re thinking back to a few years ago when there were ongoing debates about the merits of restricting certain foods vs moderation in all things. I still think moderation is a core value for many successful members, but I certainly don’t see it being pushed and not as the only choice for all people. I think many of us recognize and acknowledge that dietary choices are Individualized and what works for one may not work for everyone, and that the only hard and fast requirement is a calorie deficit with achieving adequate nutrition also supremely important.
I only wish the mainstream media and blogosphere pushing fads like clean eating, keto, paleo, etc had the same respect for other ways of eating...
+1. Well said! I see this essentially the same.
Just being as lighthearted and dismissive as most others on this thread.
Being dismissive seems to be one of your strongest skills.
It seems a strong skill of many around here.13 -
ok ok, move on guys. If it dissolves to attacking you will get warned.
Thanks,
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