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lporter229 wrote: »I think the protein obsession is getting out of hand.
That's because research is showing how important it is. The older you get, the more you need. Sarcopenia is no joke.
Now. Putting it in foods like breakfast cereals and having the label scream "PROTEIN!" when it's a lousy source of low quality protein? That's silly.12 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »lporter229 wrote: »I think the protein obsession is getting out of hand.
That's because research is showing how important it is. The older you get, the more you need. Sarcopenia is no joke.
Now. Putting it in foods like breakfast cereals and having the label scream "PROTEIN!" when it's a lousy source of low quality protein? That's silly.
This.
https://www.quakeroats.ca/products/quaker®-high-protein-maple-brown-sugar-flavour-instant-oatmeal
6 grams of protein in a packet. 50% more than their regular maple brown sugar oatmeal packet. (from 4 to 6)
I eat the regular stuff most days. The high protein stuff tastes like crap in comparison for 2 *PUPPY* GRAMS OF PROTEIN.
High protein my fat *kitten*.
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YepItsKriss wrote: »I think MLM scemes have been around for decades, they get a face lift every now and then but they will never go away
They have been but have festered and become an epidemic with the spread of social media.2 -
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »YepItsKriss wrote: »Food is probably one of the few things that connects us all as a species. We don't even like each other for just being human but throw an avatar up and talk about food and everyone has something to share.
It's not hard to understand why it's become the symbol of love caring and happiness as well as comfort.
I completely agree, and I'll add that I don't see any of these things as wrong. It's okay to celebrate with food, connect around it, enjoy feeling full, be fascinated by it, come up with all kinds of elaborate ways for cooking and presenting it, and do all kinds of fun things that involve food. It's a normal part of being a social animal and I don't see why we need to be ashamed of finding something so essential to being alive this pleasurable. People of all weights and sizes live on the same planet with the same food-related social rituals, which means it's possible to not be fat and still take part in all kinds of food-related stuff. Some have these mechanisms naturally, others have the opportunity to build them through strategies.
ETA and a side note: been a while, Kriss, glad you're back.
There are many cultures where people do all these things and the populations don't generally have a weight problem.
It's not the special, social and celebratory occasions that are the problem.
It's the day in, day out over consumption of calories combined with being sedentary.
Yep, nobody gets fat if they eat double their calorie requirements on Thanksgiving and Christmas but maintain CI/CO the rest of the year.13 -
Leaky gut syndrome!5
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Chronic Lyme Disease
Morgellon's
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kristen8000 wrote: »
What I have been noticing more lately is that people are not blaming weight gain on the right things. It's either too many carbs, some random disease, etc. I hate to be blunt, but it's because everyone eats TOO much. We as a society, put way too much importance on food. We celebrate with it, we gift it, restaurants serve WAY too much of it...we raise our kids to "clean their plates"...we value that "full" feeling.
I couldn’t agree more
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »lporter229 wrote: »I think the protein obsession is getting out of hand.
That's because research is showing how important it is. The older you get, the more you need. Sarcopenia is no joke.
Now. Putting it in foods like breakfast cereals and having the label scream "PROTEIN!" when it's a lousy source of low quality protein? That's silly.
This is exactly what I am talking about. Also that I see post after post from 150 lb people asking how they can get 200g of protein in their diet.0 -
I vote for hypothyroid. The ultimate fad disease. Just about everyone here claims they have it, and blame their weight problem on it.
This is funny. I tried this excuse...and was really convinced until I got tested. All my test came back GOOD, the dietitian was like you are just eating too much. That's the reason and the excuse for you being overweight
It's actually kind of sad that I wanted to blame it on some health reason to deflect the true reason of ME being the cause of my weight issues. 19 -
I vote for hypothyroid. The ultimate fad disease. Just about everyone here claims they have it, and blame their weight problem on it.
When a thyroid panel is done and all the levels are abnormal, either high or low, and you need to be put on meds to normalize it, then it is a disease, not a fad. People don't claim to have it, clinical test prove it. What about Hashimoto? Is it a autoimmune disease also a fad? Do you also consider diabetes T2 a fad disease ?
Well, I am one of the few people that blamed it on that before getting tested. I just knew it was a problem with my body because everything that I 'tried' didn't work. I think it is possible and I think people convince themselves all the time that they have a health issue and that's why they aren't losing weight.8 -
lporter229 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »lporter229 wrote: »I think the protein obsession is getting out of hand.
That's because research is showing how important it is. The older you get, the more you need. Sarcopenia is no joke.
Now. Putting it in foods like breakfast cereals and having the label scream "PROTEIN!" when it's a lousy source of low quality protein? That's silly.
This is exactly what I am talking about. Also that I see post after post from 150 lb people asking how they can get 200g of protein in their diet.
"1 gram of protein per pound of body weight (2.2 g/kg of BW) per day has been a bodybuilding rule of thumb for decades. Higher levels of protein intake, usually in the range of 1.2 – 1.5 grams per pound of body weight (2.6 – 3.3 g/kg BW) per day, are commonly recommended when “cutting” to lose fat."
1.5 x 150 = 225g
1.2 x 150 = 180g
I think 200g for a 150 pound individual who is lifting heavy and in the midst of a cut isn't unreasonable. It's probably more than they need, as it is sometimes unclear if that recommendation means total body weight or LBM. Personally, I've always just counted my total body weight, as it's simply easier to figure out.
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »Anti-vax, anti-GMO, "organic", "natural". I'm not a terribly political person but for a while there I thought the right in the United States had a pretty strong lead in the conspiracy theory nutjobbery until I ran into these communities of "activists".
none of these are unique to the left. There are TONS of believers in all of these among your right-wing, evangelical, suburb demographics. Especially anti-vax. The current, Republican, president is an anti-vaxxer.
anti-GMO is more on the far left, but it also cut across political ideologies.16 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Anti-vax, anti-GMO, "organic", "natural". I'm not a terribly political person but for a while there I thought the right in the United States had a pretty strong lead in the conspiracy theory nutjobbery until I ran into these communities of "activists".
none of these are unique to the left. There are TONS of believers in all of these among your right-wing, evangelical, suburb demographics. Especially anti-vax. The current, Republican, president is an anti-vaxxer.
anti-GMO is more on the far left, but it also cut across political ideologies.
Yeah, a lot of the anti medical stuff is kind of located where the extreme left meets the extreme right.10 -
I think the problem is TV picks up all the homeopathic waves from carbs. A keto diet should restrict you from watching carb laden shows like The Baking Channel, Cake Boss, and Friends. Only then can our arteries harden in the solid chests we're all building at the gym.10
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lporter229 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »lporter229 wrote: »I think the protein obsession is getting out of hand.
That's because research is showing how important it is. The older you get, the more you need. Sarcopenia is no joke.
Now. Putting it in foods like breakfast cereals and having the label scream "PROTEIN!" when it's a lousy source of low quality protein? That's silly.
This is exactly what I am talking about. Also that I see post after post from 150 lb people asking how they can get 200g of protein in their diet.
For some very lean individuals who are in certain situations (like cutting for contest prep), that is not actually an outlandish protein intake.
I was listening to a Lyle McDonald podcast recently, and he was talking about how he had a group of people he dieted down to contest lean and they lost no muscle though most people doing contest prep usually do, and it was because he had them eating INSANE amounts of protein while training.3 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Anti-vax, anti-GMO, "organic", "natural". I'm not a terribly political person but for a while there I thought the right in the United States had a pretty strong lead in the conspiracy theory nutjobbery until I ran into these communities of "activists".
none of these are unique to the left. There are TONS of believers in all of these among your right-wing, evangelical, suburb demographics. Especially anti-vax. The current, Republican, president is an anti-vaxxer.
anti-GMO is more on the far left, but it also cut across political ideologies.
Yeah, a lot of the anti medical stuff is kind of located where the extreme left meets the extreme right.
This isn't linear - it's much closer to a circle than either extremes would like to admit.13 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Anti-vax, anti-GMO, "organic", "natural". I'm not a terribly political person but for a while there I thought the right in the United States had a pretty strong lead in the conspiracy theory nutjobbery until I ran into these communities of "activists".
none of these are unique to the left. There are TONS of believers in all of these among your right-wing, evangelical, suburb demographics. Especially anti-vax. The current, Republican, president is an anti-vaxxer.
anti-GMO is more on the far left, but it also cut across political ideologies.
Yeah, a lot of the anti medical stuff is kind of located where the extreme left meets the extreme right.
it's generally symptomatic of mistrust of institutions, which is a common feature of left and right extremists.12 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Anti-vax, anti-GMO, "organic", "natural". I'm not a terribly political person but for a while there I thought the right in the United States had a pretty strong lead in the conspiracy theory nutjobbery until I ran into these communities of "activists".
none of these are unique to the left. There are TONS of believers in all of these among your right-wing, evangelical, suburb demographics. Especially anti-vax. The current, Republican, president is an anti-vaxxer.
anti-GMO is more on the far left, but it also cut across political ideologies.
Yeah, a lot of the anti medical stuff is kind of located where the extreme left meets the extreme right.
it's generally symptomatic of mistrust of institutions, which is a common feature of left and right extremists.
Yep, I have friends and family on both extremes and I've found this to be true in my experience.5 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Anti-vax, anti-GMO, "organic", "natural". I'm not a terribly political person but for a while there I thought the right in the United States had a pretty strong lead in the conspiracy theory nutjobbery until I ran into these communities of "activists".
none of these are unique to the left. There are TONS of believers in all of these among your right-wing, evangelical, suburb demographics. Especially anti-vax. The current, Republican, president is an anti-vaxxer.
anti-GMO is more on the far left, but it also cut across political ideologies.
Yeah, a lot of the anti medical stuff is kind of located where the extreme left meets the extreme right.
it's generally symptomatic of mistrust of institutions, which is a common feature of left and right extremists.
Agree. I've seen it among the same people who want to figure out how not to have a SocSec # and stuff like that.3 -
Ooh,I almost forgot: adrenal fatigue !6
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Anti-vax, anti-GMO, "organic", "natural". I'm not a terribly political person but for a while there I thought the right in the United States had a pretty strong lead in the conspiracy theory nutjobbery until I ran into these communities of "activists".
none of these are unique to the left. There are TONS of believers in all of these among your right-wing, evangelical, suburb demographics. Especially anti-vax. The current, Republican, president is an anti-vaxxer.
anti-GMO is more on the far left, but it also cut across political ideologies.
Yeah, a lot of the anti medical stuff is kind of located where the extreme left meets the extreme right.
it's generally symptomatic of mistrust of institutions, which is a common feature of left and right extremists.
I've always found this phenomenon fascinating as the extreme wings also trend towards authoritarian, yet both right and left mistrust institutions. Is this textbook transference in that the extremists do not trust people with power because they secretly know that they could not be trusted with power? ...but yet they are willing to commit violence to gain power.7 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Anti-vax, anti-GMO, "organic", "natural". I'm not a terribly political person but for a while there I thought the right in the United States had a pretty strong lead in the conspiracy theory nutjobbery until I ran into these communities of "activists".
none of these are unique to the left. There are TONS of believers in all of these among your right-wing, evangelical, suburb demographics. Especially anti-vax. The current, Republican, president is an anti-vaxxer.
anti-GMO is more on the far left, but it also cut across political ideologies.
Yeah, a lot of the anti medical stuff is kind of located where the extreme left meets the extreme right.
it's generally symptomatic of mistrust of institutions, which is a common feature of left and right extremists.
I've always found this phenomenon fascinating as the extreme wings also trend towards authoritarian, yet both right and left mistrust institutions. Is this textbook transference in that the extremists do not trust people with power because they secretly know that they could not be trusted with power? ...but yet they are willing to commit violence to gain power.
I don't know if it's transference, maybe. I think it's definitely a case of they don't trust OTHERS with power and want it exclusively for themselves.
Interestingly, both groups can look at the same institution and perceive different, sometimes diametrically opposed, "others" as being the ones currently with power. A phenomenon I've always found fascinating.3 -
I don't think most people who don't like GMOs or vaccines want much power, most people don't. Obviously some turn their pet worry into a media career but got every one of those there are a thousand quiet followers who are just looking their day to day lives.
I suspect they have varied reasons. One of the original OJ jurors voted not guilty because she took a pregnancy test that gave the wrong answer, and therefore didn't trust science.1 -
NorthCascades wrote: »I don't think most people who don't like GMOs or vaccines want much power, most people don't. Obviously some turn their pet worry into a media career but got every one of those there are a thousand quiet followers who are just looking their day to day lives.
I suspect they have varied reasons. One of the original OJ jurors voted not guilty because she took a pregnancy test that gave the wrong answer, and therefore didn't trust science.
I absolutely think they want power, even if not for themselves individually, but for people who share their beliefs. That's still definitely definable as wanting power.3
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