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YepItsKriss wrote: »Food is probably one of the few things that connects us all as a species. We don't even like each other for just being human but throw an avatar up and talk about food and everyone has something to share.
It's not hard to understand why it's become the symbol of love caring and happiness as well as comfort.
I completely agree, and I'll add that I don't see any of these things as wrong. It's okay to celebrate with food, connect around it, enjoy feeling full, be fascinated by it, come up with all kinds of elaborate ways for cooking and presenting it, and do all kinds of fun things that involve food. It's a normal part of being a social animal and I don't see why we need to be ashamed of finding something so essential to being alive this pleasurable. People of all weights and sizes live on the same planet with the same food-related social rituals, which means it's possible to not be fat and still take part in all kinds of food-related stuff. Some have these mechanisms naturally, others have the opportunity to build them through strategies.
ETA and a side note: been a while, Kriss, glad you're back.8 -
Juicing diets?! How on earth do people do it????6
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I agree that this trend is a poor one but it certainly doesn't "cause" T2D. Nobody holds a gun to people's heads and make them go to those restaurants and eat those portions. The restaurants are only responding to market trends. One can always choose not to frequent those places. I don't personally.3 -
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I vote for hypothyroid. The ultimate fad disease. Just about everyone here claims they have it, and blame their weight problem on it.
Except those like me who legitimately have hypothyroid/Hashimoto's. I've discovered that it really can have an impact on your overall health, since your thyroid largely controls your metabolism, among other things. Since I've started to get mine under control with my doctor's help, I've noticed I feel way better and I'm losing weight and keeping it relatively under control. Before I was diagnosed, I had gained about 55lbs since moving to Florida in 2011; I was diagnosed in 2014. I wasn't being the best eater, but the weight shouldn't have heaped on like that. Tons of bloodwork, then when it was discovered, my doctor freaked and said that I had been on the verge of some things shutting down.
Now, that being said, there are some people who go overboard when they don't really have a thyroid problem, and that bothers me. I have legit health issues from my thyroid, then there are legit lazy people who are just looking for an excuse, and, "Oh yeah, I totally have a bad thyroid!" It really grinds my gears.7 -
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I agree that this trend is a poor one but it certainly doesn't "cause" T2D. Nobody holds a gun to people's heads and make them go to those restaurants and eat those portions. The restaurants are only responding to market trends. One can always choose not to frequent those places. I don't personally.
Somebody I work with bought a $100 pass to Olive Garden, all you can eat for two months. Here's eating two meals a day there. He's but even atoning for anything!2 -
I agree that this trend is a poor one but it certainly doesn't "cause" T2D. Nobody holds a gun to people's heads and make them go to those restaurants and eat those portions. The restaurants are only responding to market trends. One can always choose not to frequent those places. I don't personally.
And the pressure on businesses to all have obscene portion sizes means it would be a really poor business decision to try and buck the trend. The exception being fine dining, as they already get it in the neck for having tiny portions (when actually, they're an "adequate sufficiency").8 -
@ninjacakegirl A few people did not like my comment, but they didn't understand. I wasn't referring to the minority who actually have a thyroid condition. I was talking about the people you describe in your second paragraph. This is what seems to make it a "fad" disease. Not that it doesn't exist, but that it seems too many people assume they have it just use it as an excuse.
I know what you mean. I have a lot of gluten free people in my circle and one of them has even been to the doc to check on diseases. They are self diagnosed gluten allergic n some even think gluten makes them gain5 -
VintageFeline wrote: »
I agree that this trend is a poor one but it certainly doesn't "cause" T2D. Nobody holds a gun to people's heads and make them go to those restaurants and eat those portions. The restaurants are only responding to market trends. One can always choose not to frequent those places. I don't personally.
And the pressure on businesses to all have obscene portion sizes means it would be a really poor business decision to try and buck the trend. The exception being fine dining, as they already get it in the neck for having tiny portions (when actually, they're an "adequate sufficiency").
Exactly. But to say this trend is causing T2D is patently absurd. If it were only that simple......
The plain fact is that in many the affluent western cultures a large segment of the population have become sedentary little piglets. That is a major contributor to T2D.6 -
Maybe, maybe not. Some of us just didn't get some fundamental nutritional concepts. Personally I wasn't eating too much.. just all the wrong things. But I'm sure it's just easier to assume people just porked out on junk food.
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Everyone who gains weight was eating too much, but it might not have been large volume or junk food or so on. Just too many calories for their own TDEE. I gained in large part because I got too sedentary -- I started gaining eating the way that it was perfectly appropriate for me to eat when I was active, and a reasonably nutrient dense diet (and never was into fast food), so it annoys me when people make assumptions about how fat people must eat, but I definitely was eating too many calories for my activity level.5
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All the coconut oil, all the time...including in your coffee.
I like coconut oil, but shitz is outa hand...15 -
YepItsKriss wrote: »Food is probably one of the few things that connects us all as a species. We don't even like each other for just being human but throw an avatar up and talk about food and everyone has something to share.
It's not hard to understand why it's become the symbol of love caring and happiness as well as comfort.
I think this has been true for millennia. All cultures use food as a part of their communal identity, love and celebration. However, the current super-size trend has taken it to a new level entirely. I'm guilty as anyone for over-preparing and over-serving guests at my table. Instead of 3-4 dishes I'll make 8-9 and if they leave hungry it's their own fault. Trying hard to scale back to a more minimalist (yet thoughtful) spread at the family events.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »All the coconut oil, all the time...including in your coffee.
I like coconut oil, but shitz is outa hand...
I do like it for cooking, but the coffee thing. Just weird.4 -
No votes for GMO? That particular kind of fastidiousness could cost us the next food breakthrough like golden rice.12
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No votes for GMO? That particular kind of fastidiousness could cost us the next food breakthrough like golden rice.
Good point - from a severity point of view I would put anit-GMO at the top of the list.
From an annoyance perspective I would put keto/low carb. This is going to be this decade's version of the 1980s low fat.13 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Paleo. Though at least we're not seeing the plethora of 'this is how cavemen ate, we should too!' posts that littered the forums a few years ago...
It's because that is so 2014 and we have moved on to the next fad driven by nextflix documentaries.
I kind of miss throwing archaeology-based reality at them though
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I'd say carbs being the boogeyman.5
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Keto
ACV
Keto
Military diet
Keto
Keto
Dr Oz
Keto
Think that covers it for me.9 -
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Anti-vax, anti-GMO, "organic", "natural". I'm not a terribly political person but for a while there I thought the right in the United States had a pretty strong lead in the conspiracy theory nutjobbery until I ran into these communities of "activists".12
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I think the protein obsession is getting out of hand.10
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amusedmonkey wrote: »YepItsKriss wrote: »Food is probably one of the few things that connects us all as a species. We don't even like each other for just being human but throw an avatar up and talk about food and everyone has something to share.
It's not hard to understand why it's become the symbol of love caring and happiness as well as comfort.
I completely agree, and I'll add that I don't see any of these things as wrong. It's okay to celebrate with food, connect around it, enjoy feeling full, be fascinated by it, come up with all kinds of elaborate ways for cooking and presenting it, and do all kinds of fun things that involve food. It's a normal part of being a social animal and I don't see why we need to be ashamed of finding something so essential to being alive this pleasurable. People of all weights and sizes live on the same planet with the same food-related social rituals, which means it's possible to not be fat and still take part in all kinds of food-related stuff. Some have these mechanisms naturally, others have the opportunity to build them through strategies.
ETA and a side note: been a while, Kriss, glad you're back.
There are many cultures where people do all these things and the populations don't generally have a weight problem.
It's not the special, social and celebratory occasions that are the problem.
It's the day in, day out over consumption of calories combined with being sedentary.10 -
ninjacakegirl wrote: »I vote for hypothyroid. The ultimate fad disease. Just about everyone here claims they have it, and blame their weight problem on it.
Except those like me who legitimately have hypothyroid/Hashimoto's. I've discovered that it really can have an impact on your overall health, since your thyroid largely controls your metabolism, among other things. Since I've started to get mine under control with my doctor's help, I've noticed I feel way better and I'm losing weight and keeping it relatively under control. Before I was diagnosed, I had gained about 55lbs since moving to Florida in 2011; I was diagnosed in 2014. I wasn't being the best eater, but the weight shouldn't have heaped on like that. Tons of bloodwork, then when it was discovered, my doctor freaked and said that I had been on the verge of some things shutting down.
Now, that being said, there are some people who go overboard when they don't really have a thyroid problem, and that bothers me. I have legit health issues from my thyroid, then there are legit lazy people who are just looking for an excuse, and, "Oh yeah, I totally have a bad thyroid!" It really grinds my gears.
Your thyroid going wonky won't account for that much weight gain.
@CSARdiver explains it best.
I have Hashimoto's myself. It only accounts for a 5% at most reduction in REE. If you're not overeating, that would account for maybe 10 or so pounds (my numbers could be off here) of weight gain.
This is why the generalized statement that Hypothyroidism is woo is sort of true and I agree with it.
Blaming it for weight gain and trouble losing weight is woo. There are too many people who have posted here on these boards who have been successful without having their thyroids even properly corrected, let alone those of us on medication who've had no issues whatsoever losing weight just like everyone else does.8
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