Anyone read the latest research on Keto by Alan Aragon?
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VintageFeline wrote: »MinuitMinuet wrote: »So, like the obsessed ketoers, shaky sites. I agree that it's mostly nonsense, but the sites on both sides are.. questionable. You can woo me all you like but that doesn't take away from the fact that I'm right. Anti-ketoers hate it and demonized it while ketoers evangelize it. I beginning to think you people just like to find something to fight about..like an old nagging couple. There needs to be a neutral group that can untangle this mess and show both sides that it isn't magic but it isn't ridiculous either. If it don't work for you.. try something else.. don't hate on those it works for. If it works for you, awesome, don't add pseudoscience to try and make it look better. Just leave it at CICO for those who binge on carbs.
I may be reading the wrong thing into this but i missed it first read around. Are you saying that for those of us who don't low carb we're by default bingeing on carbs?
clearly- because that's the only way to eat carbs.
Binge- or poverty.
Aren't we glad she's here to show us the way?8 -
VintageFeline wrote: »MinuitMinuet wrote: »So, like the obsessed ketoers, shaky sites. I agree that it's mostly nonsense, but the sites on both sides are.. questionable. You can woo me all you like but that doesn't take away from the fact that I'm right. Anti-ketoers hate it and demonized it while ketoers evangelize it. I beginning to think you people just like to find something to fight about..like an old nagging couple. There needs to be a neutral group that can untangle this mess and show both sides that it isn't magic but it isn't ridiculous either. If it don't work for you.. try something else.. don't hate on those it works for. If it works for you, awesome, don't add pseudoscience to try and make it look better. Just leave it at CICO for those who binge on carbs.
I may be reading the wrong thing into this but i missed it first read around. Are you saying that for those of us who don't low carb we're by default bingeing on carbs?
Ironically, I binge on fats. Like eat the whole block of cheese.4 -
VintageFeline wrote: »MinuitMinuet wrote: »So, like the obsessed ketoers, shaky sites. I agree that it's mostly nonsense, but the sites on both sides are.. questionable. You can woo me all you like but that doesn't take away from the fact that I'm right. Anti-ketoers hate it and demonized it while ketoers evangelize it. I beginning to think you people just like to find something to fight about..like an old nagging couple. There needs to be a neutral group that can untangle this mess and show both sides that it isn't magic but it isn't ridiculous either. If it don't work for you.. try something else.. don't hate on those it works for. If it works for you, awesome, don't add pseudoscience to try and make it look better. Just leave it at CICO for those who binge on carbs.
I may be reading the wrong thing into this but i missed it first read around. Are you saying that for those of us who don't low carb we're by default bingeing on carbs?
Ironically, I binge on fats. Like eat the whole block of cheese.
Lol! I'm an equal opportunity binger. I can go to town on any of the 3 macros!11 -
VintageFeline wrote: »MinuitMinuet wrote: »So, like the obsessed ketoers, shaky sites. I agree that it's mostly nonsense, but the sites on both sides are.. questionable. You can woo me all you like but that doesn't take away from the fact that I'm right. Anti-ketoers hate it and demonized it while ketoers evangelize it. I beginning to think you people just like to find something to fight about..like an old nagging couple. There needs to be a neutral group that can untangle this mess and show both sides that it isn't magic but it isn't ridiculous either. If it don't work for you.. try something else.. don't hate on those it works for. If it works for you, awesome, don't add pseudoscience to try and make it look better. Just leave it at CICO for those who binge on carbs.
I may be reading the wrong thing into this but i missed it first read around. Are you saying that for those of us who don't low carb we're by default bingeing on carbs?
Ironically, I binge on fats. Like eat the whole block of cheese.
LOL- I'm with @mmapags - I'm an equal opportunity binger. I want them all. People are like "sweet or savor"
*kitten* DON'T MAKE ME CHOSE! TEAM BOTH!6 -
VintageFeline wrote: »MinuitMinuet wrote: »So, like the obsessed ketoers, shaky sites. I agree that it's mostly nonsense, but the sites on both sides are.. questionable. You can woo me all you like but that doesn't take away from the fact that I'm right. Anti-ketoers hate it and demonized it while ketoers evangelize it. I beginning to think you people just like to find something to fight about..like an old nagging couple. There needs to be a neutral group that can untangle this mess and show both sides that it isn't magic but it isn't ridiculous either. If it don't work for you.. try something else.. don't hate on those it works for. If it works for you, awesome, don't add pseudoscience to try and make it look better. Just leave it at CICO for those who binge on carbs.
I may be reading the wrong thing into this but i missed it first read around. Are you saying that for those of us who don't low carb we're by default bingeing on carbs?
Ironically, I binge on fats. Like eat the whole block of cheese.
LOL- I'm with @mmapags - I'm an equal opportunity binger. I want them all. People are like "sweet or savor"
*kitten* DON'T MAKE ME CHOSE! TEAM BOTH!
Me too. I lean more towards savoury but if I'm in a sweet mood outta my way while I hit the dessert and chocolate aisles.0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »MinuitMinuet wrote: »So, like the obsessed ketoers, shaky sites. I agree that it's mostly nonsense, but the sites on both sides are.. questionable. You can woo me all you like but that doesn't take away from the fact that I'm right. Anti-ketoers hate it and demonized it while ketoers evangelize it. I beginning to think you people just like to find something to fight about..like an old nagging couple. There needs to be a neutral group that can untangle this mess and show both sides that it isn't magic but it isn't ridiculous either. If it don't work for you.. try something else.. don't hate on those it works for. If it works for you, awesome, don't add pseudoscience to try and make it look better. Just leave it at CICO for those who binge on carbs.
I may be reading the wrong thing into this but i missed it first read around. Are you saying that for those of us who don't low carb we're by default bingeing on carbs?
Ironically, I binge on fats. Like eat the whole block of cheese.
Lol! I'm an equal opportunity binger. I can go to town on any of the 3 macros!
I dont binge on meats because i call that normal. Why only eat 9oz when you can eat 15 or more! I love meats!!!3 -
VintageFeline wrote: »MinuitMinuet wrote: »So, like the obsessed ketoers, shaky sites. I agree that it's mostly nonsense, but the sites on both sides are.. questionable. You can woo me all you like but that doesn't take away from the fact that I'm right. Anti-ketoers hate it and demonized it while ketoers evangelize it. I beginning to think you people just like to find something to fight about..like an old nagging couple. There needs to be a neutral group that can untangle this mess and show both sides that it isn't magic but it isn't ridiculous either. If it don't work for you.. try something else.. don't hate on those it works for. If it works for you, awesome, don't add pseudoscience to try and make it look better. Just leave it at CICO for those who binge on carbs.
I may be reading the wrong thing into this but i missed it first read around. Are you saying that for those of us who don't low carb we're by default bingeing on carbs?
Ironically, I binge on fats. Like eat the whole block of cheese.
Lol! I'm an equal opportunity binger. I can go to town on any of the 3 macros!
I dont binge on meats because i call that normal. Why only eat 9oz when you can eat 15 or more! I love meats!!!
I lean towards the fattier Italian cured meats if I'm really going to town. Boy does that add up fast.1 -
VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »MinuitMinuet wrote: »So, like the obsessed ketoers, shaky sites. I agree that it's mostly nonsense, but the sites on both sides are.. questionable. You can woo me all you like but that doesn't take away from the fact that I'm right. Anti-ketoers hate it and demonized it while ketoers evangelize it. I beginning to think you people just like to find something to fight about..like an old nagging couple. There needs to be a neutral group that can untangle this mess and show both sides that it isn't magic but it isn't ridiculous either. If it don't work for you.. try something else.. don't hate on those it works for. If it works for you, awesome, don't add pseudoscience to try and make it look better. Just leave it at CICO for those who binge on carbs.
I may be reading the wrong thing into this but i missed it first read around. Are you saying that for those of us who don't low carb we're by default bingeing on carbs?
Ironically, I binge on fats. Like eat the whole block of cheese.
LOL- I'm with @mmapags - I'm an equal opportunity binger. I want them all. People are like "sweet or savor"
*kitten* DON'T MAKE ME CHOSE! TEAM BOTH!
Me too. I lean more towards savoury but if I'm in a sweet mood outta my way while I hit the dessert and chocolate aisles.
Hell yes- big old steak- huge pile of greens.
Followed by a brownie and wine?
GIMMIE.ALL.OF.IT.IN.MAI.MOUF.
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Just gonna say this once......BACON!0
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And, to make this post total "food porn"......BLUE CHEESE!2
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Bacon is actually not a calorie bomb unless you really really like to eat loads of it. Makes me thirsty just thinking about it.
Blue cheese though. We have a deli here that has good booze, good charcuterie and good cheese. Head down and scurry past 95% of the time. And then the owner went and opened a restaurant called Salt and Pickle. So good booze, good charcuterie, good cheese and good in house made pickles. It's a good job I don't love dining alone or I'd be in big trouble!1 -
I usually eat half the pack of bacon (like eight slices) at a time. I make it a calorie bomb! :-)1
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VintageFeline wrote: »MinuitMinuet wrote: »So, like the obsessed ketoers, shaky sites. I agree that it's mostly nonsense, but the sites on both sides are.. questionable. You can woo me all you like but that doesn't take away from the fact that I'm right. Anti-ketoers hate it and demonized it while ketoers evangelize it. I beginning to think you people just like to find something to fight about..like an old nagging couple. There needs to be a neutral group that can untangle this mess and show both sides that it isn't magic but it isn't ridiculous either. If it don't work for you.. try something else.. don't hate on those it works for. If it works for you, awesome, don't add pseudoscience to try and make it look better. Just leave it at CICO for those who binge on carbs.
I may be reading the wrong thing into this but i missed it first read around. Are you saying that for those of us who don't low carb we're by default bingeing on carbs?
Ironically, I binge on fats. Like eat the whole block of cheese.
Lol! I'm an equal opportunity binger. I can go to town on any of the 3 macros!
Same. When I binge, if it isn't nailed down and it's something fast and easy to eat, I binge on it.
Heck, I binged on egg salad and chicken legs when I low carbed. I'd go out to the grocery store and buy those family packs of chicken legs (2 of them), bake them up to have handy snacks and just gorge myself on them.
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VintageFeline wrote: »Bacon is actually not a calorie bomb unless you really really like to eat loads of it. Makes me thirsty just thinking about it.
Blue cheese though. We have a deli here that has good booze, good charcuterie and good cheese. Head down and scurry past 95% of the time. And then the owner went and opened a restaurant called Salt and Pickle. So good booze, good charcuterie, good cheese and good in house made pickles. It's a good job I don't love dining alone or I'd be in big trouble!
When I was a teen, I worked in a nursing home and on weekends, I worked the morning shift serving breakfast in the dining hall.
There'd be a big industrial pan of bacon in the kitchen and we were allowed to snatch as much as we wanted from it.
Unlimited bacon. In huge mounds. Already cooked and waiting. I always embarrassed myself, no matter how furtive I thought I was being.0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »MinuitMinuet wrote: »So, like the obsessed ketoers, shaky sites. I agree that it's mostly nonsense, but the sites on both sides are.. questionable. You can woo me all you like but that doesn't take away from the fact that I'm right. Anti-ketoers hate it and demonized it while ketoers evangelize it. I beginning to think you people just like to find something to fight about..like an old nagging couple. There needs to be a neutral group that can untangle this mess and show both sides that it isn't magic but it isn't ridiculous either. If it don't work for you.. try something else.. don't hate on those it works for. If it works for you, awesome, don't add pseudoscience to try and make it look better. Just leave it at CICO for those who binge on carbs.
I may be reading the wrong thing into this but i missed it first read around. Are you saying that for those of us who don't low carb we're by default bingeing on carbs?
Ironically, I binge on fats. Like eat the whole block of cheese.
LOL- I'm with @mmapags - I'm an equal opportunity binger. I want them all. People are like "sweet or savor"
*kitten* DON'T MAKE ME CHOSE! TEAM BOTH!
Me too. I lean more towards savoury but if I'm in a sweet mood outta my way while I hit the dessert and chocolate aisles.
Hell yes- big old steak- huge pile of greens.
Followed by a brownie and wine?
GIMMIE.ALL.OF.IT.IN.MAI.MOUF.
After reading this I am a little aroused. Is that so wrong??!!1 -
The keto diet for getting cut has been around for 70 years+.
Nothing new about it.
Vince Gironda used it to get ripped for bodybuilding contests in the 1940s.
Eat meat and eggs only. Eat only very small amounts of complex carbs.
Buy keto sticks at the pharmacy and test your urine to see if you are in ketosis.
It does get you ripped but eventually drives you bonkers.
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The keto diet for getting cut has been around for 70 years+.
Nothing new about it.
Vince Gironda used it to get ripped for bodybuilding contests in the 1940s.
Eat meat and eggs only. Eat only very small amounts of complex carbs.
Buy keto sticks at the pharmacy and test your urine to see if you are in ketosis.
It does get you ripped but eventually drives you bonkers.
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It only works if you create a calorie deficit though. The same as all diets.7 -
CWShultz27105 wrote: »I usually eat half the pack of bacon (like eight slices) at a time. I make it a calorie bomb! :-)
That's not a binge, just a meal.
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It actually does fit in to my schedule.....so, no binge there! 0
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What you all think of it? I am personally not surprised by the results, I kind of expect it infact.
Keto shouldn't be used for aesthetic reasons. It's a great diet for people with diabetes and other diseases involving kidneys and helps with epilepsy..not sure correct me if I'm wrong
Also, it's a great diet for those who are overweight from someone who was obese. The keto diet flattens you out quicker due to the lack of carbs. Which may motivate others to continue the diet even though the weightloss might be the same or even less. Also, holding less water helps battle inflammation.
There are benefits to the diet. Not everyone is built the same so putting someone on 300g carb 200g protein 80g fat will not work for another individual.
Calories in < calories out will result in weight loss no matter what you put in your body but putting the right things in your body matter it's the difference of building your house with straw or bricks.
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