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jofjltncb6 wrote: »Looks like absolutely nothing has changed in the year or so that I was away from the forums.
Absolutely.
Nothing.
If you had expectations of change, shame on you
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HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »@GaleHawkins
Let me describe for you what eating with an eating disorder really looks like.
Here are just some of the things I would consume within a meal or over a 12 hour period.
Ready?
32 bbq sized hotdogs with buns and condiments in 12 hours.
2 extra large meat lovers pizzas with 2 large bags of Hershey chocolate covered whole almonds in 12 hours.
Entire boxes of 500g spaghetti with 6-8 slices of bread in one meal.
3 double big mac meals with super sized fries 2 with cola drinks and 1 with a large chocolate shake in one meal.
12 chicken thighs with skin and 3-4 large russet potatoes in one meal.
2 entire bags of chocolate donut holes in one sitting.
3 large sized donairs that come with about 1/2 a pound of medium ground beef on each and I would ask for extra meat on all of them in one sitting.
If I ordered Chinese food I would order enough food for 4 people. It would cost me roughly $80 and I would eat it in 12 hours.
A lot of these 12 hour meals were also filled in between with food from work. I would eat 8-10 slices of toast in the morning. If bacon was on I would make bacon sandwiches instead. I was always eating several servings of whatever dessert was on. There was cookies and pudding under the counter so I had access to those whenever I wanted. I would eat whatever was not served to the clients at lunch and dinner as well. Every morning I would also buy a bag of chips and a chocolate bar from the vending machine. I also brought my own lunch and snacks. And I would still go home and eat again.
I would also eat two entire rotisserie chicken from the grocery store with 6 slices of bread and canned peas.
When food got low I was known to pour bottles of salad dressing into bowls and eat it with my finger before just drinking it.
I would eat half tubs of ice cream. Crushed with half a pack of Oreos. Whipped cream.
I would make pancakes with banana. Syrup. Ice cream. Chocolate chips. Whipped cream. And got fudge and eat several servings at a time.
I would buy 5 or 6 bags of chocolate chips pour them into a bowl and eat them constantly through the day in between all my other eating.
This is what binge eating looks like. It's excessive amounts of food at one time or through a day. It's not a meal at dairy queen and a banana split. I'm sorry.
Edit -- also on Canada day I went to a friend's party and ate 8 burgers and 7 hot dogs and an entire bag of family sized potato chips and then went to McDonald's and ordered a double big mac meal another double big mac and a chocolate sundae within 3 to 5 hours time.
Thanks for the details that lets me know for sure I did have an eating disorder if you had one like you stated above. It makes me weak and sick feeling just being reminded of when I ate that way. While I did not go LCHF to help stop binge eating health damage I am glad it did so in my case as well of a life time of IBS etc. I did it hoping for pain manage that started happening within the first 30 days of LCHF so I was able to tell the doctors no 7 Nov 2014 when I was to start Enbrel injections for pain manage especially in my poor state of health. Best of health to you and all of us who are or have traveled down this road for one reason or another.19 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »@GaleHawkins
Let me describe for you what eating with an eating disorder really looks like.
Here are just some of the things I would consume within a meal or over a 12 hour period.
Ready?
32 bbq sized hotdogs with buns and condiments in 12 hours.
2 extra large meat lovers pizzas with 2 large bags of Hershey chocolate covered whole almonds in 12 hours.
Entire boxes of 500g spaghetti with 6-8 slices of bread in one meal.
3 double big mac meals with super sized fries 2 with cola drinks and 1 with a large chocolate shake in one meal.
12 chicken thighs with skin and 3-4 large russet potatoes in one meal.
2 entire bags of chocolate donut holes in one sitting.
3 large sized donairs that come with about 1/2 a pound of medium ground beef on each and I would ask for extra meat on all of them in one sitting.
If I ordered Chinese food I would order enough food for 4 people. It would cost me roughly $80 and I would eat it in 12 hours.
A lot of these 12 hour meals were also filled in between with food from work. I would eat 8-10 slices of toast in the morning. If bacon was on I would make bacon sandwiches instead. I was always eating several servings of whatever dessert was on. There was cookies and pudding under the counter so I had access to those whenever I wanted. I would eat whatever was not served to the clients at lunch and dinner as well. Every morning I would also buy a bag of chips and a chocolate bar from the vending machine. I also brought my own lunch and snacks. And I would still go home and eat again.
I would also eat two entire rotisserie chicken from the grocery store with 6 slices of bread and canned peas.
When food got low I was known to pour bottles of salad dressing into bowls and eat it with my finger before just drinking it.
I would eat half tubs of ice cream. Crushed with half a pack of Oreos. Whipped cream.
I would make pancakes with banana. Syrup. Ice cream. Chocolate chips. Whipped cream. And got fudge and eat several servings at a time.
I would buy 5 or 6 bags of chocolate chips pour them into a bowl and eat them constantly through the day in between all my other eating.
This is what binge eating looks like. It's excessive amounts of food at one time or through a day. It's not a meal at dairy queen and a banana split. I'm sorry.
Edit -- also on Canada day I went to a friend's party and ate 8 burgers and 7 hot dogs and an entire bag of family sized potato chips and then went to McDonald's and ordered a double big mac meal another double big mac and a chocolate sundae within 3 to 5 hours time.
Thanks for the details that lets me know for sure I did have an eating disorder if you had one like you stated above. It makes me weak and sick feeling just being reminded of when I ate that way. While I did not go LCHF to help stop binge eating health damage I am glad it did so in my case as well of a life time of IBS etc. I did it hoping for pain manage that started happening within the first 30 days of LCHF so I was able to tell the doctors no 7 Nov 2014 when I was to start Enbrel injections for pain manage especially in my poor state of health. Best of health to you and all of us who are or have traveled down this road for one reason or another.
Do you honestly think that what you described, a banana split after dinner with a few sugary sodas throughout the day, even remotely compares to what Kriss shared?12 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »@GaleHawkins
Let me describe for you what eating with an eating disorder really looks like.
Here are just some of the things I would consume within a meal or over a 12 hour period.
Ready?
32 bbq sized hotdogs with buns and condiments in 12 hours.
2 extra large meat lovers pizzas with 2 large bags of Hershey chocolate covered whole almonds in 12 hours.
Entire boxes of 500g spaghetti with 6-8 slices of bread in one meal.
3 double big mac meals with super sized fries 2 with cola drinks and 1 with a large chocolate shake in one meal.
12 chicken thighs with skin and 3-4 large russet potatoes in one meal.
2 entire bags of chocolate donut holes in one sitting.
3 large sized donairs that come with about 1/2 a pound of medium ground beef on each and I would ask for extra meat on all of them in one sitting.
If I ordered Chinese food I would order enough food for 4 people. It would cost me roughly $80 and I would eat it in 12 hours.
A lot of these 12 hour meals were also filled in between with food from work. I would eat 8-10 slices of toast in the morning. If bacon was on I would make bacon sandwiches instead. I was always eating several servings of whatever dessert was on. There was cookies and pudding under the counter so I had access to those whenever I wanted. I would eat whatever was not served to the clients at lunch and dinner as well. Every morning I would also buy a bag of chips and a chocolate bar from the vending machine. I also brought my own lunch and snacks. And I would still go home and eat again.
I would also eat two entire rotisserie chicken from the grocery store with 6 slices of bread and canned peas.
When food got low I was known to pour bottles of salad dressing into bowls and eat it with my finger before just drinking it.
I would eat half tubs of ice cream. Crushed with half a pack of Oreos. Whipped cream.
I would make pancakes with banana. Syrup. Ice cream. Chocolate chips. Whipped cream. And got fudge and eat several servings at a time.
I would buy 5 or 6 bags of chocolate chips pour them into a bowl and eat them constantly through the day in between all my other eating.
This is what binge eating looks like. It's excessive amounts of food at one time or through a day. It's not a meal at dairy queen and a banana split. I'm sorry.
Edit -- also on Canada day I went to a friend's party and ate 8 burgers and 7 hot dogs and an entire bag of family sized potato chips and then went to McDonald's and ordered a double big mac meal another double big mac and a chocolate sundae within 3 to 5 hours time.
Thanks for the details that lets me know for sure I did have an eating disorder if you had one like you stated above. It makes me weak and sick feeling just being reminded of when I ate that way. While I did not go LCHF to help stop binge eating health damage I am glad it did so in my case as well of a life time of IBS etc. I did it hoping for pain manage that started happening within the first 30 days of LCHF so I was able to tell the doctors no 7 Nov 2014 when I was to start Enbrel injections for pain manage especially in my poor state of health. Best of health to you and all of us who are or have traveled down this road for one reason or another.
@GaleHawkins
If you truly did have an eating disorder you would of said these things when someone asked you to describe the details of your eating disorder. But you did not. I do not believe that anyone who went through what I have would just omit those details and only mention eating a banana split at dairy queen.
If you truly had an eating disorder you would still be struggling now.
The fact that you keep insisting that you had one simply by just going by what i said without even being able to list your own examples before i did shows how much you don't understand what an eating disorder really is.15 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »@GaleHawkins
Let me describe for you what eating with an eating disorder really looks like.
Here are just some of the things I would consume within a meal or over a 12 hour period.
Ready?
32 bbq sized hotdogs with buns and condiments in 12 hours.
2 extra large meat lovers pizzas with 2 large bags of Hershey chocolate covered whole almonds in 12 hours.
Entire boxes of 500g spaghetti with 6-8 slices of bread in one meal.
3 double big mac meals with super sized fries 2 with cola drinks and 1 with a large chocolate shake in one meal.
12 chicken thighs with skin and 3-4 large russet potatoes in one meal.
2 entire bags of chocolate donut holes in one sitting.
3 large sized donairs that come with about 1/2 a pound of medium ground beef on each and I would ask for extra meat on all of them in one sitting.
If I ordered Chinese food I would order enough food for 4 people. It would cost me roughly $80 and I would eat it in 12 hours.
A lot of these 12 hour meals were also filled in between with food from work. I would eat 8-10 slices of toast in the morning. If bacon was on I would make bacon sandwiches instead. I was always eating several servings of whatever dessert was on. There was cookies and pudding under the counter so I had access to those whenever I wanted. I would eat whatever was not served to the clients at lunch and dinner as well. Every morning I would also buy a bag of chips and a chocolate bar from the vending machine. I also brought my own lunch and snacks. And I would still go home and eat again.
I would also eat two entire rotisserie chicken from the grocery store with 6 slices of bread and canned peas.
When food got low I was known to pour bottles of salad dressing into bowls and eat it with my finger before just drinking it.
I would eat half tubs of ice cream. Crushed with half a pack of Oreos. Whipped cream.
I would make pancakes with banana. Syrup. Ice cream. Chocolate chips. Whipped cream. And got fudge and eat several servings at a time.
I would buy 5 or 6 bags of chocolate chips pour them into a bowl and eat them constantly through the day in between all my other eating.
This is what binge eating looks like. It's excessive amounts of food at one time or through a day. It's not a meal at dairy queen and a banana split. I'm sorry.
Edit -- also on Canada day I went to a friend's party and ate 8 burgers and 7 hot dogs and an entire bag of family sized potato chips and then went to McDonald's and ordered a double big mac meal another double big mac and a chocolate sundae within 3 to 5 hours time.
Thanks for the details that lets me know for sure I did have an eating disorder if you had one like you stated above. It makes me weak and sick feeling just being reminded of when I ate that way. While I did not go LCHF to help stop binge eating health damage I am glad it did so in my case as well of a life time of IBS etc. I did it hoping for pain manage that started happening within the first 30 days of LCHF so I was able to tell the doctors no 7 Nov 2014 when I was to start Enbrel injections for pain manage especially in my poor state of health. Best of health to you and all of us who are or have traveled down this road for one reason or another.
I just can't...
If I say what I'm thinking I'd probably risk a warning, however, I will say that this lets pretty much everyone else here know for sure you don't/didn't have an eating disorder. Granted, we already knew that. You insisting over and over and over again that your perception of your situation is 100% accurate doesn't make it so. Glad you are better now, but I just hope that no one out there with a true eating disorder takes your situation as truth and makes their situation worse as a result.10 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »Looks like absolutely nothing has changed in the year or so that I was away from the forums.
Absolutely.
Nothing.
If you had expectations of change, shame on you.
Touché.2 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »@GaleHawkins
Let me describe for you what eating with an eating disorder really looks like.
Here are just some of the things I would consume within a meal or over a 12 hour period.
Ready?
32 bbq sized hotdogs with buns and condiments in 12 hours.
2 extra large meat lovers pizzas with 2 large bags of Hershey chocolate covered whole almonds in 12 hours.
Entire boxes of 500g spaghetti with 6-8 slices of bread in one meal.
3 double big mac meals with super sized fries 2 with cola drinks and 1 with a large chocolate shake in one meal.
12 chicken thighs with skin and 3-4 large russet potatoes in one meal.
2 entire bags of chocolate donut holes in one sitting.
3 large sized donairs that come with about 1/2 a pound of medium ground beef on each and I would ask for extra meat on all of them in one sitting.
If I ordered Chinese food I would order enough food for 4 people. It would cost me roughly $80 and I would eat it in 12 hours.
A lot of these 12 hour meals were also filled in between with food from work. I would eat 8-10 slices of toast in the morning. If bacon was on I would make bacon sandwiches instead. I was always eating several servings of whatever dessert was on. There was cookies and pudding under the counter so I had access to those whenever I wanted. I would eat whatever was not served to the clients at lunch and dinner as well. Every morning I would also buy a bag of chips and a chocolate bar from the vending machine. I also brought my own lunch and snacks. And I would still go home and eat again.
I would also eat two entire rotisserie chicken from the grocery store with 6 slices of bread and canned peas.
When food got low I was known to pour bottles of salad dressing into bowls and eat it with my finger before just drinking it.
I would eat half tubs of ice cream. Crushed with half a pack of Oreos. Whipped cream.
I would make pancakes with banana. Syrup. Ice cream. Chocolate chips. Whipped cream. And got fudge and eat several servings at a time.
I would buy 5 or 6 bags of chocolate chips pour them into a bowl and eat them constantly through the day in between all my other eating.
This is what binge eating looks like. It's excessive amounts of food at one time or through a day. It's not a meal at dairy queen and a banana split. I'm sorry.
Edit -- also on Canada day I went to a friend's party and ate 8 burgers and 7 hot dogs and an entire bag of family sized potato chips and then went to McDonald's and ordered a double big mac meal another double big mac and a chocolate sundae within 3 to 5 hours time.
Thanks for the details that lets me know for sure I did have an eating disorder if you had one like you stated above. It makes me weak and sick feeling just being reminded of when I ate that way. While I did not go LCHF to help stop binge eating health damage I am glad it did so in my case as well of a life time of IBS etc. I did it hoping for pain manage that started happening within the first 30 days of LCHF so I was able to tell the doctors no 7 Nov 2014 when I was to start Enbrel injections for pain manage especially in my poor state of health. Best of health to you and all of us who are or have traveled down this road for one reason or another.
@GaleHawkins
If you truly did have an eating disorder you would of said these things when someone asked you to describe the details of your eating disorder. But you did not. I do not believe that anyone who went through what I have would just omit those details and only mention eating a banana split at dairy queen.
If you truly had an eating disorder you would still be struggling now.
The fact that you keep insisting that you had one simply by just going by what i said without even being able to list your own examples before i did shows how much you don't understand what an eating disorder really is.
I was reminded of the times when I was a kid, often on Friday nights when my father was working a second job at a local pharmacy, my mother would call and have him pop into the little restaurant that was next door there and pick up big ice cream sundaes to go to bring home to us when he was done his shift.
This was after we had all eaten full meals for the day.
Then there were the times after dinner when they'd pile us and our friends in the car and we'd take this long drive out to this place that was, at the time, in the country, that sold the most amazing ice cream, and we'd often get double sundaes with bananas and nuts and all sorts of toppings.
I struggled with binge behaviors for the past year, but do not have BED. In no way would I look back on those things we did when I was a kid and say they were binges.
I could describe some of my binges from the past year, and this is from someone who does not have an eating disorder, Gale:
In one night, after a whole day's worth of food:
-2 whole boxes of cereal, half a bag of nuts with chocolate syrup, and a container of whipped cream
-half a large bag of pistachio nuts, out of the shell and a box of gluten free pop tarts
-a full jar of peanut butter
-a full tub of cottage cheese, 2 bags of gluten free crackers, and 2 apples with peanut butter
-a whole box of bean pasta, with an unholy amount of cheese
I could go on, because I dealt with this for a year.
How did I fix this? I found out that I was undereating and the binges were a response to that. I wasn't eating enough starch, and I added that back to my diet.
This is how I know I don't have BED. This isn't an ongoing struggle for me.
I will likely always have a tendency to over eat, because that's something I've dealt with my whole life. I like high volume, low calorie meals for dealing with that and the appetite suppressing affect of lots of activity. I also never underestimate how satisfying a nice cup of tea is.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »@GaleHawkins
Let me describe for you what eating with an eating disorder really looks like.
Here are just some of the things I would consume within a meal or over a 12 hour period.
Ready?
32 bbq sized hotdogs with buns and condiments in 12 hours.
2 extra large meat lovers pizzas with 2 large bags of Hershey chocolate covered whole almonds in 12 hours.
Entire boxes of 500g spaghetti with 6-8 slices of bread in one meal.
3 double big mac meals with super sized fries 2 with cola drinks and 1 with a large chocolate shake in one meal.
12 chicken thighs with skin and 3-4 large russet potatoes in one meal.
2 entire bags of chocolate donut holes in one sitting.
3 large sized donairs that come with about 1/2 a pound of medium ground beef on each and I would ask for extra meat on all of them in one sitting.
If I ordered Chinese food I would order enough food for 4 people. It would cost me roughly $80 and I would eat it in 12 hours.
A lot of these 12 hour meals were also filled in between with food from work. I would eat 8-10 slices of toast in the morning. If bacon was on I would make bacon sandwiches instead. I was always eating several servings of whatever dessert was on. There was cookies and pudding under the counter so I had access to those whenever I wanted. I would eat whatever was not served to the clients at lunch and dinner as well. Every morning I would also buy a bag of chips and a chocolate bar from the vending machine. I also brought my own lunch and snacks. And I would still go home and eat again.
I would also eat two entire rotisserie chicken from the grocery store with 6 slices of bread and canned peas.
When food got low I was known to pour bottles of salad dressing into bowls and eat it with my finger before just drinking it.
I would eat half tubs of ice cream. Crushed with half a pack of Oreos. Whipped cream.
I would make pancakes with banana. Syrup. Ice cream. Chocolate chips. Whipped cream. And got fudge and eat several servings at a time.
I would buy 5 or 6 bags of chocolate chips pour them into a bowl and eat them constantly through the day in between all my other eating.
This is what binge eating looks like. It's excessive amounts of food at one time or through a day. It's not a meal at dairy queen and a banana split. I'm sorry.
Edit -- also on Canada day I went to a friend's party and ate 8 burgers and 7 hot dogs and an entire bag of family sized potato chips and then went to McDonald's and ordered a double big mac meal another double big mac and a chocolate sundae within 3 to 5 hours time.
Thanks for the details that lets me know for sure I did have an eating disorder if you had one like you stated above. It makes me weak and sick feeling just being reminded of when I ate that way. While I did not go LCHF to help stop binge eating health damage I am glad it did so in my case as well of a life time of IBS etc. I did it hoping for pain manage that started happening within the first 30 days of LCHF so I was able to tell the doctors no 7 Nov 2014 when I was to start Enbrel injections for pain manage especially in my poor state of health. Best of health to you and all of us who are or have traveled down this road for one reason or another.
@GaleHawkins
If you truly did have an eating disorder you would of said these things when someone asked you to describe the details of your eating disorder. But you did not. I do not believe that anyone who went through what I have would just omit those details and only mention eating a banana split at dairy queen.
If you truly had an eating disorder you would still be struggling now.
The fact that you keep insisting that you had one simply by just going by what i said without even being able to list your own examples before i did shows how much you don't understand what an eating disorder really is.
I was reminded of the times when I was a kid, often on Friday nights when my father was working a second job at a local pharmacy, my mother would call and have him pop into the little restaurant that was next door there and pick up big ice cream sundaes to go to bring home to us when he was done his shift.
This was after we had all eaten full meals for the day.
Then there were the times after dinner when they'd pile us and our friends in the car and we'd take this long drive out to this place that was, at the time, in the country, that sold the most amazing ice cream, and we'd often get double sundaes with bananas and nuts and all sorts of toppings.
I struggled with binge behaviors for the past year, but do not have BED. In no way would I look back on those things we did when I was a kid and say they were binges.
I could describe some of my binges from the past year, and this is from someone who does not have an eating disorder, Gale:
In one night, after a whole day's worth of food:
-2 whole boxes of cereal, half a bag of nuts with chocolate syrup, and a container of whipped cream
-half a large bag of pistachio nuts, out of the shell and a box of gluten free pop tarts
-a full jar of peanut butter
-a full tub of cottage cheese, 2 bags of gluten free crackers, and 2 apples with peanut butter
-a whole box of bean pasta, with an unholy amount of cheese
I could go on, because I dealt with this for a year.
How did I fix this? I found out that I was undereating and the binges were a response to that. I wasn't eating enough starch, and I added that back to my diet.
This is how I know I don't have BED. This isn't an ongoing struggle for me.
I will likely always have a tendency to over eat, because that's something I've dealt with my whole life. I like high volume, low calorie meals for dealing with that and the appetite suppressing affect of lots of activity. I also never underestimate how satisfying a nice cup of tea is.
I think being honest with yourself on reality is the best way to approach change.
I think its unreasonable for anyone to expect that they will never have a weak moment or a binge.
I think its unreasonable to claim absolute perfection every day with no problems by going with a certain diet like nothing will happen ever again and you are cured of all problems from before the change. Be that binges or cravings or anything else that people struggle with.
I think we are all human. We should expect that not every day is going to be a good day.
We should expect struggle. We should expect challenges. We should expect weakness.
But we should also know that those things are not a sign of failure. And we should also know that we all have the ability to bounce back from any struggle even if it takes more then a day or two.
I will admit i have been struggling the last few weeks. Today i told myself no more and i stuck with that, I ate my 1600 calories and I have felt fine with that,
But just last night i sat down and ate an entire box of Belvita breakfast cookies. 1150 Calories for the whole box.
After that i made a bowl of potatoes slathered in light margarine and canned peas. 800 Calories for that.
Before that I ate a 9 inch pepperoni pizza and a large donair from a take out place. I would say that was probably 1400 Calories roughly give or take. 6 Slices of toast with light margarine. 660 calories for that. Meatballs on pita bread with sriracha sauce. 350 Calories for that. So 4,350 calories easy.
The last couple weeks have basically been the same as that, different foods, a ton of calories. Even with my B.E.D meds, i still have moments where the meds just sometimes can't out power my brain. When the meds sometimes can't give me that push to keep control, my brain is a pretty good negotiator. All that goes through my mind is constant chatter of what i can eat next. It's loud and I can't focus on anything else and the more it chatters about food the more i think about what it's chattering about and it causes a stronger and stronger urge to eat. It easily convinces me that I will stop tomorrow and i believe my brain because i always seem to think thats my will power talking, but it isn't. When it's my will power, Its a day like today, Toast for breakfast, 1 breakfast cookie mid way through my shift, One on the bus ride home and a huge Chicken Veggie salad tonight for supper. I don't go back out to the kitchen looking for something else. I'm not going to the dollar store and buying 82 cent chocolate bars. I am not thinking what can i go and get from this fast food place tonight instead of cooking my own dinner at home. I just navigate my day and have full control of my own choices.
But these days.. or weeks happen with me. And despite the fact that when they do happen, I can't seem to regain control those days, I still need to wake up every day and catch that moment of strength and grab hold of it tightly so i can pull myself back up again and not let the eating disorder win for another day or week or weeks.
And that is what you need to understand Gale..
Your claims of absolute resolve and perfection are almost like a photoshopped reality people often protray on their facebook or instagram. They post and display what they choose, often making it seem like every day their life is happy and problem free. which seems to be what you are doing with your posts here about your diet. You are claiming that Keto has been the thing that has now left you with every day being perfect with no problems. No binges, no cravings, no trials or challenges.. just absolute resolve and better health. All of us, no matter which lifestyle we have choosen have benefited from better health and life experiences and weight loss, but we all share the same struggles from time to time.
As i said before in an earlier post. You had struggles in the past, You worked hard to over come them. But you can't claim it as an eating disorder. Especially if you are claiming resolve. If you have resolve, you did not having an E.D. Those two things do not coexist with each other and that is an unfortunate reality for anyone struggling with B.E.D or any other eating disorder.12 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »@GaleHawkins
Let me describe for you what eating with an eating disorder really looks like.
Here are just some of the things I would consume within a meal or over a 12 hour period.
Ready?
32 bbq sized hotdogs with buns and condiments in 12 hours.
2 extra large meat lovers pizzas with 2 large bags of Hershey chocolate covered whole almonds in 12 hours.
Entire boxes of 500g spaghetti with 6-8 slices of bread in one meal.
3 double big mac meals with super sized fries 2 with cola drinks and 1 with a large chocolate shake in one meal.
12 chicken thighs with skin and 3-4 large russet potatoes in one meal.
2 entire bags of chocolate donut holes in one sitting.
3 large sized donairs that come with about 1/2 a pound of medium ground beef on each and I would ask for extra meat on all of them in one sitting.
If I ordered Chinese food I would order enough food for 4 people. It would cost me roughly $80 and I would eat it in 12 hours.
A lot of these 12 hour meals were also filled in between with food from work. I would eat 8-10 slices of toast in the morning. If bacon was on I would make bacon sandwiches instead. I was always eating several servings of whatever dessert was on. There was cookies and pudding under the counter so I had access to those whenever I wanted. I would eat whatever was not served to the clients at lunch and dinner as well. Every morning I would also buy a bag of chips and a chocolate bar from the vending machine. I also brought my own lunch and snacks. And I would still go home and eat again.
I would also eat two entire rotisserie chicken from the grocery store with 6 slices of bread and canned peas.
When food got low I was known to pour bottles of salad dressing into bowls and eat it with my finger before just drinking it.
I would eat half tubs of ice cream. Crushed with half a pack of Oreos. Whipped cream.
I would make pancakes with banana. Syrup. Ice cream. Chocolate chips. Whipped cream. And got fudge and eat several servings at a time.
I would buy 5 or 6 bags of chocolate chips pour them into a bowl and eat them constantly through the day in between all my other eating.
This is what binge eating looks like. It's excessive amounts of food at one time or through a day. It's not a meal at dairy queen and a banana split. I'm sorry.
Edit -- also on Canada day I went to a friend's party and ate 8 burgers and 7 hot dogs and an entire bag of family sized potato chips and then went to McDonald's and ordered a double big mac meal another double big mac and a chocolate sundae within 3 to 5 hours time.
Thanks for the details that lets me know for sure I did have an eating disorder if you had one like you stated above. It makes me weak and sick feeling just being reminded of when I ate that way. While I did not go LCHF to help stop binge eating health damage I am glad it did so in my case as well of a life time of IBS etc. I did it hoping for pain manage that started happening within the first 30 days of LCHF so I was able to tell the doctors no 7 Nov 2014 when I was to start Enbrel injections for pain manage especially in my poor state of health. Best of health to you and all of us who are or have traveled down this road for one reason or another.
@GaleHawkins
If you truly did have an eating disorder you would of said these things when someone asked you to describe the details of your eating disorder. But you did not. I do not believe that anyone who went through what I have would just omit those details and only mention eating a banana split at dairy queen.
If you truly had an eating disorder you would still be struggling now.
The fact that you keep insisting that you had one simply by just going by what i said without even being able to list your own examples before i did shows how much you don't understand what an eating disorder really is.
I was reminded of the times when I was a kid, often on Friday nights when my father was working a second job at a local pharmacy, my mother would call and have him pop into the little restaurant that was next door there and pick up big ice cream sundaes to go to bring home to us when he was done his shift.
This was after we had all eaten full meals for the day.
Then there were the times after dinner when they'd pile us and our friends in the car and we'd take this long drive out to this place that was, at the time, in the country, that sold the most amazing ice cream, and we'd often get double sundaes with bananas and nuts and all sorts of toppings.
I struggled with binge behaviors for the past year, but do not have BED. In no way would I look back on those things we did when I was a kid and say they were binges.
I could describe some of my binges from the past year, and this is from someone who does not have an eating disorder, Gale:
In one night, after a whole day's worth of food:
-2 whole boxes of cereal, half a bag of nuts with chocolate syrup, and a container of whipped cream
-half a large bag of pistachio nuts, out of the shell and a box of gluten free pop tarts
-a full jar of peanut butter
-a full tub of cottage cheese, 2 bags of gluten free crackers, and 2 apples with peanut butter
-a whole box of bean pasta, with an unholy amount of cheese
I could go on, because I dealt with this for a year.
How did I fix this? I found out that I was undereating and the binges were a response to that. I wasn't eating enough starch, and I added that back to my diet.
This is how I know I don't have BED. This isn't an ongoing struggle for me.
I will likely always have a tendency to over eat, because that's something I've dealt with my whole life. I like high volume, low calorie meals for dealing with that and the appetite suppressing affect of lots of activity. I also never underestimate how satisfying a nice cup of tea is.
I think being honest with yourself on reality is the best way to approach change.
I think its unreasonable for anyone to expect that they will never have a weak moment or a binge.
I think its unreasonable to claim absolute perfection every day with no problems by going with a certain diet like nothing will happen ever again and you are cured of all problems from before the change. Be that binges or cravings or anything else that people struggle with.
I think we are all human. We should expect that not every day is going to be a good day.
We should expect struggle. We should expect challenges. We should expect weakness.
But we should also know that those things are not a sign of failure. And we should also know that we all have the ability to bounce back from any struggle even if it takes more then a day or two.
I will admit i have been struggling the last few weeks. Today i told myself no more and i stuck with that, I ate my 1600 calories and I have felt fine with that,
But just last night i sat down and ate an entire box of Belvita breakfast cookies. 1150 Calories for the whole box.
After that i made a bowl of potatoes slathered in light margarine and canned peas. 800 Calories for that.
Before that I ate a 9 inch pepperoni pizza and a large donair from a take out place. I would say that was probably 1400 Calories roughly give or take. 6 Slices of toast with light margarine. 660 calories for that. Meatballs on pita bread with sriracha sauce. 350 Calories for that. So 4,350 calories easy.
The last couple weeks have basically been the same as that, different foods, a ton of calories. Even with my B.E.D meds, i still have moments where the meds just sometimes can't out power my brain. When the meds sometimes can't give me that push to keep control, my brain is a pretty good negotiator. All that goes through my mind is constant chatter of what i can eat next. It's loud and I can't focus on anything else and the more it chatters about food the more i think about what it's chattering about and it causes a stronger and stronger urge to eat. It easily convinces me that I will stop tomorrow and i believe my brain because i always seem to think thats my will power talking, but it isn't. When it's my will power, Its a day like today, Toast for breakfast, 1 breakfast cookie mid way through my shift, One on the bus ride home and a huge Chicken Veggie salad tonight for supper. I don't go back out to the kitchen looking for something else. I'm not going to the dollar store and buying 82 cent chocolate bars. I am not thinking what can i go and get from this fast food place tonight instead of cooking my own dinner at home. I just navigate my day and have full control of my own choices.
But these days.. or weeks happen with me. And despite the fact that when they do happen, I can't seem to regain control those days, I still need to wake up every day and catch that moment of strength and grab hold of it tightly so i can pull myself back up again and not let the eating disorder win for another day or week or weeks.
And that is what you need to understand Gale..
Your claims of absolute resolve and perfection are almost like a photoshopped reality people often protray on their facebook or instagram. They post and display what they choose, often making it seem like every day their life is happy and problem free. which seems to be what you are doing with your posts here about your diet. You are claiming that Keto has been the thing that has now left you with every day being perfect with no problems. No binges, no cravings, no trials or challenges.. just absolute resolve and better health. All of us, no matter which lifestyle we have choosen have benefited from better health and life experiences and weight loss, but we all share the same struggles from time to time.
As i said before in an earlier post. You had struggles in the past, You worked hard to over come them. But you can't claim it as an eating disorder. Especially if you are claiming resolve. If you have resolve, you did not having an E.D. Those two things do not coexist with each other and that is an unfortunate reality for anyone struggling with B.E.D or any other eating disorder.
(((((Kriss)))))
I have not had a life long struggle with this.
Have I over eaten in the past? Yup. Isolated incidents, usually triggered by emotional things going on, and it was a self-soothing mechanism.
What happened to me this past year was something entirely different to anything I've ever experienced before.
And therein lies the difference, Gale, between someone who has had problematic eating and someone who has a true eating disorder.
There's a way out of problematic eating. You live constantly with an ED. You're merely ever in remission from it.
I'd also like to point something else out, just for the sake of people living with autoimmune arthritis. Biologics aren't just for pain relief. They are for preventing further joint damage. For all your focus on your pain levels, your joints are still being damaged further by your AS.
I'm happy to take Humira and live an active life, and not just because it helps my pain, but mostly because it helps prevent and slow further joint damage so that I can remain active.8 -
@HellYeahItsKriss That sounds brutal, I hope your better days are overriding your bad ones
Can i ask how these binges are affecting your weight? Are gaining/maintaining/losing?2 -
Christine_72 wrote: »@HellYeahItsKriss That sounds brutal, I hope your better days are overriding your bad ones
Can i ask how these binges are affecting your weight? Are gaining/maintaining/losing?
I have gained. somewhere between 30-50 pounds since i gained 50, then lost 20, now i've been binging again these last couple weeks so its likely i put on a bit, but its masked by water weight right now so i won't know the damage for a few days probably.. but based on the amount of calories ive been roughly consuming, maybe 8 to 10 pounds again in a couple weeks, which is very quick.2 -
In another forum, there is a lady who says she was clinically diagnosed with BED. She does OMAD (one meal a day) and now claims that she has much more control now and can walk away from food even if it is in here hands. She may not be cured, but she sure sounds like she is in a much better place. I don't know much at all about BED but wouldn't there be varying levels of it. From like what was described on the previous page (very excessive) to maybe less excessive. I think alcoholism comes in varying degrees, why not BED?6
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In another forum, there is a lady who says she was clinically diagnosed with BED. She does OMAD (one meal a day) and now claims that she has much more control now and can walk away from food even if it is in here hands. She may not be cured, but she sure sounds like she is in a much better place. I don't know much at all about BED but wouldn't there be varying levels of it. From like what was described on the previous page (very excessive) to maybe less excessive. I think alcoholism comes in varying degrees, why not BED?
@blambo61
Everyone's level of control would be different.
As I said there are times when I can go weeks or months with no issues with help from the meds.
The problem is here that there is claims of complete resolve and it's "cured". Which even with the best control does not happen.5 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »In another forum, there is a lady who says she was clinically diagnosed with BED. She does OMAD (one meal a day) and now claims that she has much more control now and can walk away from food even if it is in here hands. She may not be cured, but she sure sounds like she is in a much better place. I don't know much at all about BED but wouldn't there be varying levels of it. From like what was described on the previous page (very excessive) to maybe less excessive. I think alcoholism comes in varying degrees, why not BED?
@blambo61
Everyone's level of control would be different.
As I said there are times when I can go weeks or months with no issues with help from the meds.
The problem is here that there is claims of complete resolve and it's "cured". Which even with the best control does not happen.
Maybe these people didn't cure their issues but they seem to be controlling it and without meds so that is a good thing I think. I think they should be given some credit and their methods be considered.5 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »In another forum, there is a lady who says she was clinically diagnosed with BED. She does OMAD (one meal a day) and now claims that she has much more control now and can walk away from food even if it is in here hands. She may not be cured, but she sure sounds like she is in a much better place. I don't know much at all about BED but wouldn't there be varying levels of it. From like what was described on the previous page (very excessive) to maybe less excessive. I think alcoholism comes in varying degrees, why not BED?
@blambo61
Everyone's level of control would be different.
As I said there are times when I can go weeks or months with no issues with help from the meds.
The problem is here that there is claims of complete resolve and it's "cured". Which even with the best control does not happen.
Maybe these people didn't cure their issues but they seem to be controlling it and without meds so that is a good thing I think. I think they should be given some credit and their methods be considered.
Do you understand that by Gale comparing a desire to eat a banana split after dinner to what Kriss described is not just sharing common experiences and ideas of what might work for others? It trivializes the experiences and struggles that people who suffer from actual eating disorders are going through, potentially prevents someone who has an ED from finding the help they need as soon as possible, and this tendency to self diagnose and try to inflate the severity of "cravings" or "control issues" to legitimate ED status makes it potentially difficult for people to recognize the actual symptoms of clinical eating disorders.
Gale does not have Binge Eating Disorder and his continued claims of it are offensive, as are your support of his stance on this. If a friend of yours used a racial slur that you were unfamiliar with, and someone told you what it meant and that it was offensive, would you use it yourself in further conversation, or continue to support your friend in using that term? Saying "well maybe they mean it in a different way, so you shouldn't be offended by that"? That's the same as what you are doing here. It's ok to just say "wow, I had no idea, thanks for sharing that experience Kriss, I can now empathize with how hard that must be and you're brave to share those details". You don't have to continue to try to find ways to legitimize Gales stance.15 -
WinoGelato wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »In another forum, there is a lady who says she was clinically diagnosed with BED. She does OMAD (one meal a day) and now claims that she has much more control now and can walk away from food even if it is in here hands. She may not be cured, but she sure sounds like she is in a much better place. I don't know much at all about BED but wouldn't there be varying levels of it. From like what was described on the previous page (very excessive) to maybe less excessive. I think alcoholism comes in varying degrees, why not BED?
@blambo61
Everyone's level of control would be different.
As I said there are times when I can go weeks or months with no issues with help from the meds.
The problem is here that there is claims of complete resolve and it's "cured". Which even with the best control does not happen.
Maybe these people didn't cure their issues but they seem to be controlling it and without meds so that is a good thing I think. I think they should be given some credit and their methods be considered.
Do you understand that by Gale comparing a desire to eat a banana split after dinner to what Kriss described is not just sharing common experiences and ideas of what might work for others? It trivializes the experiences and struggles that people who suffer from actual eating disorders are going through, potentially prevents someone who has an ED from finding the help they need as soon as possible, and this tendency to self diagnose and try to inflate the severity of "cravings" or "control issues" to legitimate ED status makes it potentially difficult for people to recognize the actual symptoms of clinical eating disorders.
Gale does not have Binge Eating Disorder and his continued claims of it are offensive, as are your support of his stance on this. If a friend of yours used a racial slur that you were unfamiliar with, and someone told you what it meant and that it was offensive, would you use it yourself in further conversation, or continue to support your friend in using that term? Saying "well maybe they mean it in a different way, so you shouldn't be offended by that"? That's the same as what you are doing here. It's ok to just say "wow, I had no idea, thanks for sharing that experience Kriss, I can now empathize with how hard that must be and you're brave to share those details". You don't have to continue to try to find ways to legitimize Gales stance.
Cosigned!8 -
WinoGelato wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »In another forum, there is a lady who says she was clinically diagnosed with BED. She does OMAD (one meal a day) and now claims that she has much more control now and can walk away from food even if it is in here hands. She may not be cured, but she sure sounds like she is in a much better place. I don't know much at all about BED but wouldn't there be varying levels of it. From like what was described on the previous page (very excessive) to maybe less excessive. I think alcoholism comes in varying degrees, why not BED?
@blambo61
Everyone's level of control would be different.
As I said there are times when I can go weeks or months with no issues with help from the meds.
The problem is here that there is claims of complete resolve and it's "cured". Which even with the best control does not happen.
Maybe these people didn't cure their issues but they seem to be controlling it and without meds so that is a good thing I think. I think they should be given some credit and their methods be considered.
Do you understand that by Gale comparing a desire to eat a banana split after dinner to what Kriss described is not just sharing common experiences and ideas of what might work for others? It trivializes the experiences and struggles that people who suffer from actual eating disorders are going through, potentially prevents someone who has an ED from finding the help they need as soon as possible, and this tendency to self diagnose and try to inflate the severity of "cravings" or "control issues" to legitimate ED status makes it potentially difficult for people to recognize the actual symptoms of clinical eating disorders.
Gale does not have Binge Eating Disorder and his continued claims of it are offensive, as are your support of his stance on this. If a friend of yours used a racial slur that you were unfamiliar with, and someone told you what it meant and that it was offensive, would you use it yourself in further conversation, or continue to support your friend in using that term? Saying "well maybe they mean it in a different way, so you shouldn't be offended by that"? That's the same as what you are doing here. It's ok to just say "wow, I had no idea, thanks for sharing that experience Kriss, I can now empathize with how hard that must be and you're brave to share those details". You don't have to continue to try to find ways to legitimize Gales stance.
Double cosigned.
There are a lot of people on the internet who self-diagnose with eating disorders.
Kriss is clinically diagnosed. Holding keyboard warriors experiences up to hers as equally valid is demeaning, dismissive, and offensive.
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WinoGelato wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »In another forum, there is a lady who says she was clinically diagnosed with BED. She does OMAD (one meal a day) and now claims that she has much more control now and can walk away from food even if it is in here hands. She may not be cured, but she sure sounds like she is in a much better place. I don't know much at all about BED but wouldn't there be varying levels of it. From like what was described on the previous page (very excessive) to maybe less excessive. I think alcoholism comes in varying degrees, why not BED?
@blambo61
Everyone's level of control would be different.
As I said there are times when I can go weeks or months with no issues with help from the meds.
The problem is here that there is claims of complete resolve and it's "cured". Which even with the best control does not happen.
Maybe these people didn't cure their issues but they seem to be controlling it and without meds so that is a good thing I think. I think they should be given some credit and their methods be considered.
Do you understand that by Gale comparing a desire to eat a banana split after dinner to what Kriss described is not just sharing common experiences and ideas of what might work for others? It trivializes the experiences and struggles that people who suffer from actual eating disorders are going through, potentially prevents someone who has an ED from finding the help they need as soon as possible, and this tendency to self diagnose and try to inflate the severity of "cravings" or "control issues" to legitimate ED status makes it potentially difficult for people to recognize the actual symptoms of clinical eating disorders.
Gale does not have Binge Eating Disorder and his continued claims of it are offensive, as are your support of his stance on this. If a friend of yours used a racial slur that you were unfamiliar with, and someone told you what it meant and that it was offensive, would you use it yourself in further conversation, or continue to support your friend in using that term? Saying "well maybe they mean it in a different way, so you shouldn't be offended by that"? That's the same as what you are doing here. It's ok to just say "wow, I had no idea, thanks for sharing that experience Kriss, I can now empathize with how hard that must be and you're brave to share those details". You don't have to continue to try to find ways to legitimize Gales stance.
Cosigned!
Me too.
I'll add that I also have wanted to have dessert after a full meal at times, and used to do it without thinking before I was paying attention to calories. How I stopped doing that is NOT relevant to someone with BED. Me saying "why don't you just do this, it worked for me" to Kriss or "everyone should do this" (as Gale admitted he thinks when people eat carbs) because if they are overweight they must have an ED" (which, btw, is false and offensive both to people with and without EDs), would be wrong, and also quite rude.
As I mentioned upthread, I DO have a problem with emotional eating, which I think has some links to (but is not the same as) addiction. Gale's issues seem not to have been emotional eating (from his descriptions, his issues seem to have been that he ate a poor, not very well planned out diet, and liked sweets), yet he presumes to suggest that anyone struggling with overeating would benefit from cutting carbs. Carbs are NOT the only thing I go to with my "using food as comfort" thing, and indeed I would generally not go to plain carbs -- cutting out plain potatoes or grains when I only tend to overeat foods that are basically fats (nuts, cheese) or carb/fat mixes would make no sense. Yet according to Gale, if one occasionally overeats ice cream or cookies or pizza (all as much fat as carbs), one is a "carb addict." Nuts! (Which again, I can eat a ridiculous amount of if feeling stressed -- did Sunday, in fact. And no, that was not a binge, no more than eating a banana split is. Calling it such is intentionally disrespectful to the experience of those with BED.)7 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »In another forum, there is a lady who says she was clinically diagnosed with BED. She does OMAD (one meal a day) and now claims that she has much more control now and can walk away from food even if it is in here hands. She may not be cured, but she sure sounds like she is in a much better place. I don't know much at all about BED but wouldn't there be varying levels of it. From like what was described on the previous page (very excessive) to maybe less excessive. I think alcoholism comes in varying degrees, why not BED?
@blambo61
Everyone's level of control would be different.
As I said there are times when I can go weeks or months with no issues with help from the meds.
The problem is here that there is claims of complete resolve and it's "cured". Which even with the best control does not happen.
Maybe these people didn't cure their issues but they seem to be controlling it and without meds so that is a good thing I think. I think they should be given some credit and their methods be considered.
At what point did I not give him credit. Twice I acknowledged that he had struggles. Twice I acknowledged that he over came them and that's good. But I don't have to support his supposed eating disorder when it clearly isn't.
Just because others are controlling their eating disorder...assuming they are not self diagnosing themselves without meds doesn't mean I look down upon them or don't give them any credit. I wish I didn't have to spend $195 dollars a month for a little bit of self control.
What I don't understand is why you are so determined to prove that Gale is correct in his claims. He has offered nothing that supports and eating disorder besides clinging to what I said and adding to it in a context that maybe he experienced with his eating habits. You are trying to prove him right using other people as examples. I am me. I have an eating disorder. They are them. Gale is Gale. And he does not have one simply because someone else is having some control. Why? Cause give these people time. Eventually they will have the same struggles I'm having if they truly do have one despite having control using their own methods. Gale claims resolve. Do you understand how different the situations are?11
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