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Dr Jason Fung - The Useless Concept of Calories
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HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »For those with severe BED, is it not possible that some people have less severe BED? Makes sense to me.
A psychological problem is a psychological problem. regardless of the severity of the eating disorder, you still have a disorder, you might have an easier time having longer lengths of control, but you are still going to have set backs and binges. The medication i take, Its called Vyvanse, When you google that it tells you that this medication is used to treat moderate to severe binge eating disorder. It's unlikely that there is a Easy binge eating disorder or a simple binge eating disorder or a light binge eating disorder. Whatever word you want to put in there. Moderate to me sounds like the base level of the disorder. Severe would be worse then that. However, both degrees of the disorder have the potential to need to be treated with medications to help people.
https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/binge-eating-disorder -- No mention of simply changing your diet as a fix to an eating disorder.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/binge-eating-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20353627 -- No mention of simply changing your diet as a fix to an eating disorder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_eating_disorder -- No mention of simply changing your diet as a fix to an eating disorder
If we are going to start basing everything on varying degrees, how about we also do it to smoking? Someone who has only smoked for 10 years will have an easier time then someone who smoked for 15 right? the 10 year smoker will be less likely to go back to smoking again? Their cravings, their habits, whatever it is in their life that constantly makes smokers go back to smoking even after being smoke free for months, the 10 year person won't struggle as bad. And if you've only been smoking for 5 years, well.. as soon as you quit for good, you're cured right?
If an eating disorder is simply based on degrees of binge eating then everyone on this planet pretty much has B.E.D.. We are all very sick mentally i guess.. from carbs apparently. Everyone who has had a moment of losing control and binge eating on something, need not go to a psychiatrist to be clinically diagnosed, by your theory, they just have a less severe version of a mental disorder and if they just do what Gale did, they will be cured too? Even though site after site does not support this logic?
Those site are not all-knowing. I don't argue that it is a life-long struggle for some but yes I do think there has to be varying degrees especially since the medicine talked about gradations of it. A 4-pack a day smoker is different than a few cigarrettes/day person. There definitely various levels of alcohol abuse. Maybe a sever BED person can not be cured by diet but can they be helped?
These sites aren't all knowing but your anecdotal stories which are from OTHER PEOPLE should override the sites which were designed to help people assess whether they have a problem and seek actual help?
Seriously man. Does Big Coconut Oil write you weekly checks? Are you on the board of IntermittentFastingCorp LLC? Why in thread after thread are you making such ridiculous claims and so vested in convincing others that this is the one true way that you completely and willfully ignore what others are saying? Are you being intentionally obtuse or do you just not care how ridiculous this makes you look, and how offensive this stance on this thread is?
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WinoGelato wrote: »I gave an example of a person who was clinically diagnosedFor those with severe BED, is it not possible that some people have less severe BED? Makes sense to me.
Why do you keep trying to rationalize and make acceptable the unacceptable of someone claiming a BED when then not only haven't been diagnosed, they don't even really exhibit the symptoms? To say nothing of the fact that, as far as they've stated, they've never even been to a doctor for any kind of treatment.
I gave an example of a person who was clinically diagnosed with BED and is controlling their problem with IF. They don't say they are cured but it has helped a lot. Why does everyone here not see the fact that IF and keto have helped some with BED. May not have cured them but that isn't the point. The point is it has helped some people and even some clinically diagnosed. A person doesn't have to be diagnosed to have something. He may of had a less severe form of it than others. Again I ask, is it not possible for some people to have a less sever form of BED? If you can't answer a definitive NO, then you can't say that he for sure didn't have a less severe form of it.
Maybe you should invite that person into this thread and that person and Kriss can have a discussion about what worked and the severity of their clinically diagnosed Binge Eating Disorder and while at it, maybe you can ask the 3rd party if he or she thinks that the description of stopping for a banana split after one has eaten a full day of food even remotely qualifies as Binge Eating, or, if it is one of the most offensive comparisons that a person can offer.
Yes, actually i would like to have a conversation with this person to hear how IF is stopping them from the compulsion to binge eat. Considering that compulsion isn't based on how many times a day you eat.
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Please for the love of god can we just all report ourselves for derailing this thread from the original topic of Fung, take a warning, and hope the mods shut the thing down for good?9
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WinoGelato wrote: »I gave an example of a person who was clinically diagnosedFor those with severe BED, is it not possible that some people have less severe BED? Makes sense to me.
Why do you keep trying to rationalize and make acceptable the unacceptable of someone claiming a BED when then not only haven't been diagnosed, they don't even really exhibit the symptoms? To say nothing of the fact that, as far as they've stated, they've never even been to a doctor for any kind of treatment.
I gave an example of a person who was clinically diagnosed with BED and is controlling their problem with IF. They don't say they are cured but it has helped a lot. Why does everyone here not see the fact that IF and keto have helped some with BED. May not have cured them but that isn't the point. The point is it has helped some people and even some clinically diagnosed. A person doesn't have to be diagnosed to have something. He may of had a less severe form of it than others. Again I ask, is it not possible for some people to have a less sever form of BED? If you can't answer a definitive NO, then you can't say that he for sure didn't have a less severe form of it.
Maybe you should invite that person into this thread and that person and Kriss can have a discussion about what worked and the severity of their clinically diagnosed Binge Eating Disorder and while at it, maybe you can ask the 3rd party if he or she thinks that the description of stopping for a banana split after one has eaten a full day of food even remotely qualifies as Binge Eating, or, if it is one of the most offensive comparisons that a person can offer.
My 29 year old sister in law has a very serious breast cancer diagnosis and is about to undergo a double mastectomy and a hysterectomy. At thanksgiving, I never once considered telling her that I had to go to the doctor to have a wart removed once so therefore I knew how she felt and oh by the way, maybe she should try this topical cream...
Stop trying to rationalize this. Not all things are equal. Keto and IF are not the magical weight loss accelerators that you think they are, nor are they a cure for clinically diagnosed binge eating disorder, or any of the other things you are so vested in wanting them to work for. Just. stop.
This^! Stop speaking for a third party. If they want to speak here, they certainly are able. Stop trying to rationalize and minimize something that you are not expert in and offer your armchair solutions. I can't imagine you have any clue of how incredibly myopic and tone deaf you are coming across.5 -
It really disheartens me that someone would rather see someone self diagnose themselves and try and create their own cure with keto and IF then encourage them to seek professional help before it's too late.5
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HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I gave an example of a person who was clinically diagnosedFor those with severe BED, is it not possible that some people have less severe BED? Makes sense to me.
Why do you keep trying to rationalize and make acceptable the unacceptable of someone claiming a BED when then not only haven't been diagnosed, they don't even really exhibit the symptoms? To say nothing of the fact that, as far as they've stated, they've never even been to a doctor for any kind of treatment.
I gave an example of a person who was clinically diagnosed with BED and is controlling their problem with IF. They don't say they are cured but it has helped a lot. Why does everyone here not see the fact that IF and keto have helped some with BED. May not have cured them but that isn't the point. The point is it has helped some people and even some clinically diagnosed. A person doesn't have to be diagnosed to have something. He may of had a less severe form of it than others. Again I ask, is it not possible for some people to have a less sever form of BED? If you can't answer a definitive NO, then you can't say that he for sure didn't have a less severe form of it.
Why can't you get passed that part and focus on where i keep repeating myself that he is claiming resolve. He's cured. Fixed. Not broken. Not struggling. Not needing any help. These are not possible with people who actually have the mental disorder.
A person should be diagnosed to officially claim that they have something.
If i get a lump on my breast, instead of going to the doctor to find out if its a cyst or cancer, should i just claim to have cancer?
What are your qualifications to say "He's cured"?12 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Please for the love of god can we just all report ourselves for derailing this thread from the original topic of Fung, take a warning, and hope the mods shut the thing down for good?
Only a month out from reset date, I'm totally up for it. Can I go all out and say what I really want to say, liberally sprinkled with *kittens* and *puppies*?2 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I gave an example of a person who was clinically diagnosedFor those with severe BED, is it not possible that some people have less severe BED? Makes sense to me.
Why do you keep trying to rationalize and make acceptable the unacceptable of someone claiming a BED when then not only haven't been diagnosed, they don't even really exhibit the symptoms? To say nothing of the fact that, as far as they've stated, they've never even been to a doctor for any kind of treatment.
I gave an example of a person who was clinically diagnosed with BED and is controlling their problem with IF. They don't say they are cured but it has helped a lot. Why does everyone here not see the fact that IF and keto have helped some with BED. May not have cured them but that isn't the point. The point is it has helped some people and even some clinically diagnosed. A person doesn't have to be diagnosed to have something. He may of had a less severe form of it than others. Again I ask, is it not possible for some people to have a less sever form of BED? If you can't answer a definitive NO, then you can't say that he for sure didn't have a less severe form of it.
Why can't you get passed that part and focus on where i keep repeating myself that he is claiming resolve. He's cured. Fixed. Not broken. Not struggling. Not needing any help. These are not possible with people who actually have the mental disorder.
A person should be diagnosed to officially claim that they have something.
If i get a lump on my breast, instead of going to the doctor to find out if its a cyst or cancer, should i just claim to have cancer?
What are your qualifications to say "He's cured"?
you. You claimed resolve. An end to your eating disorder.In just 30 days it was managing my long term pain and resolving my eating disorder that I did not even know that I had. Perhaps it was changes in hormones made me become aware when to stop eating when I was full that resolved my eating disorder.The how and why cutting out using sugar and or any form of any grain resolved my eating disorder of 40 years is not of a real concern to me.I would call a 40 year eating disorder a life-long struggle personally based on my own experience now that it is currently resolved.
re·solve
rəˈzälv/Submit
verb
1.
settle or find a solution to (a problem, dispute, or contentious matter).
"the firm aims to resolve problems within 30 days"
synonyms: settle, sort out, solve, find a solution to, fix, straighten out, deal with, put right, put to rights, rectify; More
Settle of find a solution. You claim to have found a solution to your eating disorder. There is no solution. There is management options but these are not a solution to the problem.. its simply a way to lessen the severity, but there is no resolve, you are making no mention of struggling still.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I gave an example of a person who was clinically diagnosedFor those with severe BED, is it not possible that some people have less severe BED? Makes sense to me.
Why do you keep trying to rationalize and make acceptable the unacceptable of someone claiming a BED when then not only haven't been diagnosed, they don't even really exhibit the symptoms? To say nothing of the fact that, as far as they've stated, they've never even been to a doctor for any kind of treatment.
I gave an example of a person who was clinically diagnosed with BED and is controlling their problem with IF. They don't say they are cured but it has helped a lot. Why does everyone here not see the fact that IF and keto have helped some with BED. May not have cured them but that isn't the point. The point is it has helped some people and even some clinically diagnosed. A person doesn't have to be diagnosed to have something. He may of had a less severe form of it than others. Again I ask, is it not possible for some people to have a less sever form of BED? If you can't answer a definitive NO, then you can't say that he for sure didn't have a less severe form of it.
Why can't you get passed that part and focus on where i keep repeating myself that he is claiming resolve. He's cured. Fixed. Not broken. Not struggling. Not needing any help. These are not possible with people who actually have the mental disorder.
A person should be diagnosed to officially claim that they have something.
If i get a lump on my breast, instead of going to the doctor to find out if its a cyst or cancer, should i just claim to have cancer?
What are your qualifications to say "He's cured"?
She was talking about you, and what you said about yourself.
You can't be cured of something you weren't diagnosed with. If that needs to be explained any further, I don't know what else to say.6 -
I keep waiting to get the release form to sign telling me this thread was a setup and we're going to be featured on Candid Camera.5
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Please for the love of god can we just all report ourselves for derailing this thread from the original topic of Fung, take a warning, and hope the mods shut the thing down for good?
Only a month out from reset date, I'm totally up for it. Can I go all out and say what I really want to say, liberally sprinkled with *kittens* and *puppies*?
I forgot about reset date. Was contemplating dropping the "F this" cat gif in here. I haven't seen it posted in a long time. Unfortunately, probably wouldn't shut this *babysloth* show down. At least it's sunk so only a few people are still coming to read through this offensive garbage.GaleHawkins wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I gave an example of a person who was clinically diagnosedFor those with severe BED, is it not possible that some people have less severe BED? Makes sense to me.
Why do you keep trying to rationalize and make acceptable the unacceptable of someone claiming a BED when then not only haven't been diagnosed, they don't even really exhibit the symptoms? To say nothing of the fact that, as far as they've stated, they've never even been to a doctor for any kind of treatment.
I gave an example of a person who was clinically diagnosed with BED and is controlling their problem with IF. They don't say they are cured but it has helped a lot. Why does everyone here not see the fact that IF and keto have helped some with BED. May not have cured them but that isn't the point. The point is it has helped some people and even some clinically diagnosed. A person doesn't have to be diagnosed to have something. He may of had a less severe form of it than others. Again I ask, is it not possible for some people to have a less sever form of BED? If you can't answer a definitive NO, then you can't say that he for sure didn't have a less severe form of it.
Why can't you get passed that part and focus on where i keep repeating myself that he is claiming resolve. He's cured. Fixed. Not broken. Not struggling. Not needing any help. These are not possible with people who actually have the mental disorder.
A person should be diagnosed to officially claim that they have something.
If i get a lump on my breast, instead of going to the doctor to find out if its a cyst or cancer, should i just claim to have cancer?
What are your qualifications to say "He's cured"?
She was talking about you, and what you said about yourself.
You can't be cured of something you weren't diagnosed with. If that needs to be explained any further, I don't know what else to say.
How about "return your terminal degree in a health related field"?
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ahhh that explains why i don't see the thread on the main forum anymore lol..1
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HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »ahhh that explains why i don't see the thread on the main forum anymore lol..
Where did the thread go? I can still get to it through notifications but yeah, it's gone from the forum.
Did we get sent to MFP purgatory or something?0 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »ahhh that explains why i don't see the thread on the main forum anymore lol..
Where did the thread go? I can still get to it through notifications but yeah, it's gone from the forum.
It's sunk, so it doesn't pop up on the front page when someone posts in it anymore. It's been that way for several days.1 -
Not sure.. some threads stay on the forum for pages and pages, this one has disappeared into the abyss lol1
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do we know why some threads sink and others don't? Did it eat too many carbs and get too fat?6
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nutmegoreo wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »ahhh that explains why i don't see the thread on the main forum anymore lol..
Where did the thread go? I can still get to it through notifications but yeah, it's gone from the forum.
It's sunk, so it doesn't pop up on the front page when someone posts in it anymore. It's been that way for several days.
Huh. I guess my observation skills need some work.0 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »ahhh that explains why i don't see the thread on the main forum anymore lol..
Where did the thread go? I can still get to it through notifications but yeah, it's gone from the forum.
It's sunk, so it doesn't pop up on the front page when someone posts in it anymore. It's been that way for several days.
That is strange. I've been getting back to it through notifications. After it was mentioned that it had disappeared, I went looking manually. For some reason it's on page four now. Every other post I've seen in these forums bounces to the top of page one every time there is a new comment. Odd.1 -
Wynterbourne wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »ahhh that explains why i don't see the thread on the main forum anymore lol..
Where did the thread go? I can still get to it through notifications but yeah, it's gone from the forum.
It's sunk, so it doesn't pop up on the front page when someone posts in it anymore. It's been that way for several days.
That is strange. I've been getting back to it through notifications. After it was mentioned that it had disappeared, I went looking manually. For some reason it's on page four now. Every other post I've seen in these forums bounces to the top of page one every time there is a new comment. Odd.
A passive-aggressive hint from MFP we're treading on thin ice?2 -
It's a way of trying to stop responses, or I guess just letting a few hash it out without subjecting everyone else to it. It should just be closed.2
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