"Stay away from dairy"
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Why does every thread that mentions dairy have to end up with someone who gets all their vital info from the you tube bringing up pus? If you want to fear monger, at least try to sound vaguely grounded in reality
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raven56706 wrote: »so when i recently talked to a doc about my anxiety, he said it would be best to limit your dairy intake. i forgot to ask why but i wondered why.
is dairy bad for you? i mean i would think drinking milk can only help and not hurt you. of course unless you are lactose tolerant.
Dairy is associated w/increased risk for protate, ovarian and breast cancer.
Consumption of high kevels of saturated fat from dairy is associated w/increased risk of heart or vascular disease.
For these and other health concerns, see:
http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/health-concerns-about-dairy-products
Others have pointed out that relying on a vegan advocacy site for advice about consuming dairy is . . . questionable. (LOL at the "righteous" organization name, too, BTW.)
I can't speak to the other points, but I know that's not the consensus state of science WRT breast cancer. Research is scant, I grant, and mixed. Full fat dairy consumption (self reported) correlates with BC risk . . . and obesity is a confirmed BC risk factor so ???? . Low fat dairy, no correlation.5 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »I'm just wondering if the doctor maybe wasn't so much saying "stop consuming dairy to fix your anxiety" and "try cutting out dairy to see if it will resolve these physical symptoms."
And why not? Where is the harm in giving it a try. If there is no change after a suitable period of being dairy free then add dairy back and no harm, no foul. But what if it does help? No way to really know except to give it a go.
That was so not the point of my post.1 -
youngmomtaz wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »TenderBlender667 wrote: »Warning: My opinion is based on things I've learned in holistic nutrition school, so take my advice with a grain of salt.
Dairy is said to be "bad" for you because cows naturally release a lot of hormones in their milk during pregnancy. These hormones (estrogen and progesterone) eventually end up in a person's bloodstream when they consume it. Since our environment is already loaded with tons of xenoestrogens, we actually want to avoid more going into our body to lower the risk of hormone imbalances and eventual problems down the road. Another important thing to note is the fact that most dairy has synthetic hormones added to it ON TOP of the naturally occuring hormones, which isn't that great for endocrine and reproductive health. If you still want a little dairy in your life, raw is the best if it's available in your city. Organic sheeps or goats milk isn't harmful on occasion either.
I'm not a dairy farmer, but I'm pretty sure cows give milk after they give birth, not while they're pregnant (OK, maybe if they get pregnant again while they still have an unweaned calf -- but I don't think that's the way they run things in dairy farming).
Its dairy. They give birth, never nurse their own babies, go directly to producing milk for us, and when they cycle they are bred again. Like humans, they can still produce milk while pregnant as long as there is a demand and they are eating enough calories.
Whose dairy?
And if they can still produce milk while pregnant, why bother breeding them again (yes, breed some of the best milkers to produce the next generation, but you don't need to breed all of them constantly, stealing calories from milk production for calf production).4 -
paperpudding wrote: »Havanaohlala wrote: ». Anxiety? Everybody has it. Just focus on your life and accept the fact that it is meant to be tough, you just have to get stronger on all levels. ...
Yes and stop being depressed, everybody is sad sometimes, just toughen up and be happy
I am not aware of any links between dairy and anxiety - but to trivialise actual medical issues like anxiety to 'Just get stronger' is really poor.
My guess OP is that you were presenting with some symptoms like butterflies in stomach ,nausea, diahhroea etc - which can well be part of anxiety but are also common symptoms of lactose intolerance - perhaps Dr is suggesting cutting dairy to see if such symptoms improved and if you also have mild lactose intolerance??
That was my thought too. If he is having stomach issues with anxiety, staying away from milk might be an attempt make the stomach issues less severe.0 -
Just limit Dairy for 1-2 months and try to switch again to normal consumption afterwards. I am also lactose intolerant , but with time my resistance improved and now I can easily consume milk 2-3 cups. Find the tolerance level ,but since doctor suggested just listen to him for few months.
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There is definitely scientific ground to limit dairies.
This video is about a doctor who turns tumors ON and OFF just by varying the level of dairies proteins 20% and 5%.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udAYXxczdyk&feature=youtu.be&t=79
I limit my intake to 2-3oz of Feta per week. Two years ago, I replaced cow mil by almonds milk.28 -
Dairy is full of hormones to grow a small baby calf into a huge, monstrosity of a cow. It is full of pus, and most dairy cows are anxious and are treated awfully.
You are what you eat, and it makes complete sense that one could be anxious after consuming dairy.
Dairy is scary and it increases your risk for various types of cancer, as well.
Cows aren't monsters. Yes, they grow when they drink their mother's milk. So do we. It's what baby mammals do and it's bizarre that you're presenting it like some kind of pathology.19 -
There is definitely scientific ground to limit dairies.
This video is about a doctor who turns tumors ON and OFF just by varying the level of dairies proteins 20% and 5%.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udAYXxczdyk&feature=youtu.be&t=79
I limit my intake to 2-3oz of Feta per week. Two years ago, I replaced cow mil by almonds milk.
Oh, puleeze.... the China study has been debunked 10 ways to Sunday... the author of the 'study' included only the results that backed up his theory and threw out all of the rest of the results. Even the people who worked with him on this 'study' have disavowed the results and the researcher.17 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Dairy is full of hormones to grow a small baby calf into a huge, monstrosity of a cow. It is full of pus, and most dairy cows are anxious and are treated awfully.
You are what you eat, and it makes complete sense that one could be anxious after consuming dairy.
Dairy is scary and it increases your risk for various types of cancer, as well.
Cows aren't monsters. Yes, they grow when they drink their mother's milk. So do we. It's what baby mammals do and it's bizarre that you're presenting it like some kind of pathology.
To add to this, cows grow large (ish, there are larger animals) because that's their natural size. Suggesting that dairy makes humans grow beyond the calories supplied is odd. Also, most of the dairy I consume lately is from a goat farm that is not too far away from where I live. Some of the goats are pygmies, so pretty small. Does that mean their milk (or yogurt or cheese, as I don't really drink milk) will keep me small? Heh.
I think there's an ethical argument against dairy (and for veganism), although I don't really wish to engage in it (especially not in this thread). I find it odd that dairy in particular -- far more than discussions about meat -- bring out people who seem to want to repeat all the worst arguments and silliness (it's full of pus, you aren't a baby cow, no other animals drink milk, GIANT MONSTROUS cows, so on).12 -
There is definitely scientific ground to limit dairies.
This video is about a doctor who turns tumors ON and OFF just by varying the level of dairies proteins 20% and 5%.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udAYXxczdyk&feature=youtu.be&t=79
I limit my intake to 2-3oz of Feta per week. Two years ago, I replaced cow mil by almonds milk.
Oh, puleeze.... the China study has been debunked 10 ways to Sunday... the author of the 'study' included only the results that backed up his theory and threw out all of the rest of the results. Even the people who worked with him on this 'study' have disavowed the results and the researcher.
They went full YouTube vegan. Never go full YouTube vegan.21 -
MotherOfSharpei wrote: »I have anxiety, depression, and two autoimmune disorders....they will try my dairy from my cold dead hands. If there's a correlation, I'll be happy to take a pill (or suffer) with my chocolate milk and cheese sticks.
Damn. This is funny and worrying at the same time. That said I'm curious to know how this "connection" between anxiety and dairy came about. Sounds like fluff more than anything.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Dairy is full of hormones to grow a small baby calf into a huge, monstrosity of a cow. It is full of pus, and most dairy cows are anxious and are treated awfully.
You are what you eat, and it makes complete sense that one could be anxious after consuming dairy.
Dairy is scary and it increases your risk for various types of cancer, as well.
Cows aren't monsters. Yes, they grow when they drink their mother's milk. So do we. It's what baby mammals do and it's bizarre that you're presenting it like some kind of pathology.
To add to this, cows grow large (ish, there are larger animals) because that's their natural size. Suggesting that dairy makes humans grow beyond the calories supplied is odd. Also, most of the dairy I consume lately is from a goat farm that is not too far away from where I live. Some of the goats are pygmies, so pretty small. Does that mean their milk (or yogurt or cheese, as I don't really drink milk) will keep me small? Heh.
I think there's an ethical argument against dairy (and for veganism), although I don't really wish to engage in it (especially not in this thread). I find it odd that dairy in particular -- far more than discussions about meat -- bring out people who seem to want to repeat all the worst arguments and silliness (it's full of pus, you aren't a baby cow, no other animals drink milk, GIANT MONSTROUS cows, so on).
You're going to start shrinking if you keep drinking the milk from pygmies.
My theory: It's easier for people who lean vegetarian/vegan to feel uncomfortable or even disgusted by meat (I even know some meat-eaters who feel weird about touching raw meat or eating meat off the bone). Dairy often lacks that quasi/semi-instinctive disgust response, so people who are trying to quit it (or inspire others to quit it) often dabble in the phrasing/images designed to provoke disgust as a way to keep themselves motivated. I've even seen it specifically referenced for newer vegans or those who might lack motivation, things like "If you're craving dairy, think about the pus!" The thing is, disgust for a food that humans have been consuming for thousands of years and that most of us have been consuming with pleasure since early childhood is often hard to sustain (and it's patently ridiculous to those outside of this particular subculture). I wish we (we=vegans) could leave it behind and focus on more substantial potential reasons to avoid dairy (the ethical ones, which as you pointed out, are outside the scope of this thread).
It's like sour grapes. Once they've decided that they don't want milk, some people want to convince themselves that it's disgusting and they never should have wanted it.
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I keep reading the title as "Stay away from my Diary!" 6
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I have never heard of a link between anxiety and dairy.0
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janejellyroll wrote: »There is definitely scientific ground to limit dairies.
This video is about a doctor who turns tumors ON and OFF just by varying the level of dairies proteins 20% and 5%.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udAYXxczdyk&feature=youtu.be&t=79
I limit my intake to 2-3oz of Feta per week. Two years ago, I replaced cow mil by almonds milk.
Oh, puleeze.... the China study has been debunked 10 ways to Sunday... the author of the 'study' included only the results that backed up his theory and threw out all of the rest of the results. Even the people who worked with him on this 'study' have disavowed the results and the researcher.
They went full YouTube vegan. Never go full YouTube vegan.
Ba hahahahahaha yes! Can we be friends? I need more quotable things to laugh at.0 -
There is definitely scientific ground to limit dairies.
This video is about a doctor who turns tumors ON and OFF just by varying the level of dairies proteins 20% and 5%.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udAYXxczdyk&feature=youtu.be&t=79
I limit my intake to 2-3oz of Feta per week. Two years ago, I replaced cow mil by almonds milk.
Oh, puleeze.... the China study has been debunked 10 ways to Sunday... the author of the 'study' included only the results that backed up his theory and threw out all of the rest of the results. Even the people who worked with him on this 'study' have disavowed the results and the researcher.
Can you be even more vague? lol. Some people did accuse him with fallacious arguments and he replied to everything. The most aggressive revealed to be an amateur.
http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/07/china-study-author-colin-campbell-slaps-down-critic-denise-minger.html
Anyway I value multiple sources. This one is not much dairies related (neither with an agenda), but has the same issue with animal proteins.
https://www.livescience.com/g00/43839-too-much-protein-help-cancers-grow.html?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNhLw==&i10c.ua=1
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There is definitely scientific ground to limit dairies.
This video is about a doctor who turns tumors ON and OFF just by varying the level of dairies proteins 20% and 5%.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udAYXxczdyk&feature=youtu.be&t=79
I limit my intake to 2-3oz of Feta per week. Two years ago, I replaced cow mil by almonds milk.
Oh, puleeze.... the China study has been debunked 10 ways to Sunday... the author of the 'study' included only the results that backed up his theory and threw out all of the rest of the results. Even the people who worked with him on this 'study' have disavowed the results and the researcher.
Can you be even more vague? lol. Some people did accuse him with fallacious arguments and he replied to everything. The most aggressive revealed to be an amateur.
http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/07/china-study-author-colin-campbell-slaps-down-critic-denise-minger.html
Anyway I value multiple sources. This one is not much dairies related (neither an agenda), but has the same issue with animal proteins.
https://www.livescience.com/g00/43839-too-much-protein-help-cancers-grow.html?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNhLw==&i10c.ua=1
From what I've read, Denise Minger was always clear about being an amateur. What do you mean she was "revealed" as such? Being an amateur doesn't, in and of itself, discredit an argument.8 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
From what I've read, Denise Minger was always clear about being an amateur. What do you mean she was "revealed" as such? Being an amateur doesn't, in and of itself, discredit an argument.
There is a minimum. She has a total lack of credentials. She described her qualifications as
"23-year-old Minger lists her educational and professional qualifications on her Facebook page as writer, Catholic school teacher, summer camp instructor, and "Professional Sock Puppeteer.""
Come on...
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janejellyroll wrote: »
From what I've read, Denise Minger was always clear about being an amateur. What do you mean she was "revealed" as such? Being an amateur doesn't, in and of itself, discredit an argument.
There is minimum. She has a total lack of credentials. She described her qualifications as
"23-year-old Minger lists her educational and professional qualifications on her Facebook page as writer, Catholic school teacher, summer camp instructor, and "Professional Sock Puppeteer.""
Come on...
None of those things, in and of themselves, represent a counter-argument. As her own bio makes clear, she isn't representing herself as a professional. School teachers are capable of making good arguments. Maybe hers is, maybe hers isn't, but her status as a non-professional doesn't magically transform the nature of her argument.
If I told you that an argument was good simply because it was being made by a professional, would you accept that? You're just doing a version of that.9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
From what I've read, Denise Minger was always clear about being an amateur. What do you mean she was "revealed" as such? Being an amateur doesn't, in and of itself, discredit an argument.
There is a minimum. She has a total lack of credentials. She described her qualifications as
"23-year-old Minger lists her educational and professional qualifications on her Facebook page as writer, Catholic school teacher, summer camp instructor, and "Professional Sock Puppeteer.""
Come on...
If you're so-called science can be debunked by someone with a "total lack of credentials," maybe it's not so grounded in facts.15 -
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janejellyroll... you can continue alone, we'll agree to disagree. Next thing we'll know, we'll put amateurs as University teachers because they have good arguments. Guess what? Won't happen.... lol.15
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janejellyroll... you can continue alone, we'll agree to disagree. Next thing we'll know, we'll put amateurs as University teachers because they have good arguments. Guess what? Won't happen.... lol.
Because that's totally what the argument was about **heavy-handed eye-roll. Like, so heavy-handed, they straight rolled out of the room**10 -
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janejellyroll... you can continue alone, we'll agree to disagree. Next thing we'll know, we'll put amateurs as University teachers because they have good arguments. Guess what? Won't happen.... lol.
I hate to break it to you, but there are already instances of people who are exceptional in certain fields being invited to lecture at universities or share their expertise even when they may lack professional degrees. Why is that? People who are excellent in a field and want to impart excellence to the next generation tend to focus on actual work and outcomes and understand that formal education is just a part of what can create and contribute to that.
You may choose to believe everyone with a professional degree and disregard everyone without one. I'd rather focus on the arguments themselves, I think it's more useful.15 -
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People, people, stop whining as in one of my links, the Dr. Campbell diligently replied to the self-claimed "Professional Sock Puppeteer."... lol
Her profession is the least relevant part of her argument. If Campbell's response is based on her profession and not her arguments, it says way more about him than it does about her.9 -
Dairy is full of hormones to grow a small baby calf into a huge, monstrosity of a cow. It is full of pus, and most dairy cows are anxious and are treated awfully.
You are what you eat, and it makes complete sense that one could be anxious after consuming dairy.
Dairy is scary and it increases your risk for various types of cancer, as well.
1. Calves are weaned at 8 months. They are still pretty damn small at that point. It's antibiotics and corn during the adults years that make them put on the pounds before slaughter.
2. Pus? That's *kitten*. What's in milk is white blood cells. You know when people go on and on about how important breast-feeding is for babies and "breast is best" and why women should donate milk for premies? That's what they are talking about. If a cow actually has an infection (usually mastitis) they are taken off rotation until it's better and their tests come back clean. Cows and their milk are inspected and tested regularly because each dairy cow is an expensive investment.
My dairy farming relatives are really sick of these lies.24
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