What was/is your experience with the Ketogenic diet?
NaeJayKay
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Hey hey MFPals.
I'm interested in the Keto diet and would really like to see what people who have tried it or ARE trying it, have to say.
I've read that with a calorie deficit, no matter what diet you choose, you'll lose weight. I want to try the Keto diet because I was diagnosed with PCOS and it's supposedly a good diet for insulin resistance (my blood sugar without treatment is excellent, but I'm told I am insulin resistant anyway - *shrugs*).
Knowledge, advice/tips, even personal opinions (gasp!) are appreciated.
I'm interested in the Keto diet and would really like to see what people who have tried it or ARE trying it, have to say.
I've read that with a calorie deficit, no matter what diet you choose, you'll lose weight. I want to try the Keto diet because I was diagnosed with PCOS and it's supposedly a good diet for insulin resistance (my blood sugar without treatment is excellent, but I'm told I am insulin resistant anyway - *shrugs*).
Knowledge, advice/tips, even personal opinions (gasp!) are appreciated.
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I've lost weight calorie counting and i've lost weight calorie counting eating keto. Either way, it was my calorie balance that was the reason I lost the weight - but I do find keto more filling, satisfying and better for my recomp/muscle building goals.
I don't have any 'reason' to do Keto, I just enjoy the food and how it makes me feel. It's worth a try, but personally I would recommend a beginner do plain calorie counting first to learn the basics, and then try keto, as it requires a lot of attention to macro ratios, micronutrients etc.8 -
Hi there! I’m not exactly doing keto, but my program is close! It’s a medical weight loss clinic under doctor supervision, and it calls for a major calorie deficit and also eating mostly protein with some healthy fats (no carbs and no sugar). It’s worked really well for my fiancé and me. He’s lost 55 lbs in 7 weeks, and I’ve lost 30!
More importantly, I have PCOS and only had 5 periods in the past 4 years when we started the program. I couldn’t tolerate metformin at all, and I was feeling helpless. But since starting the program, I’ve had my period twice— 27 days apart! I personally don’t think I would have been able to do keto without my man doing it with me, and also weekly check-ins with the clinic. I’ve definitely struggled through it, but it’s been absolutely worth it!8 -
If you have a sweet tooth then forget it lol. As stated above Keto is tough, maybe the toughest of all diets?
You have read right - good old fashioned calorie counting is king. Also look up IIFYM for a flexible approach (complete opposite to what you asked for but good to get a broad idea of whats out there).
In the end though you have nothing to lose but time (and potential weight) so give keto a crack if you're set on it, it could be a learning experience. I've done a few diets centred around low carb but just couldn't sustain it in the long term (too limiting, sweet tooth, need nerves of steel, etc). Enjoy!7 -
chestinator wrote: »If you have a sweet tooth then forget it lol. As stated above Keto is tough, maybe the toughest of all diets?
You have read right - good old fashioned calorie counting is king. Also look up IIFYM for a flexible approach (complete opposite to what you asked for but good to get a broad idea of whats out there).
In the end though you have nothing to lose but time (and potential weight) so give keto a crack if you're set on it, it could be a learning experience. I've done a few diets centred around low carb but just couldn't sustain it in the long term (too limiting, sweet tooth, need nerves of steel, etc). Enjoy!
I don't have a problem giving up sweets, sweets don't really tempt me. My problem is salt and spices - yes, I love all things potato dearly (probably why I'm in this mess haha).
Thank you for your advice!
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Hi there! I’m not exactly doing keto, but my program is close! It’s a medical weight loss clinic under doctor supervision, and it calls for a major calorie deficit and also eating mostly protein with some healthy fats (no carbs and no sugar). It’s worked really well for my fiancé and me. He’s lost 55 lbs in 7 weeks, and I’ve lost 30!
More importantly, I have PCOS and only had 5 periods in the past 4 years when we started the program. I couldn’t tolerate metformin at all, and I was feeling helpless. But since starting the program, I’ve had my period twice— 27 days apart! I personally don’t think I would have been able to do keto without my man doing it with me, and also weekly check-ins with the clinic. I’ve definitely struggled through it, but it’s been absolutely worth it!
If you're okay with it, add me. I'd love to chat!0 -
I did Keto for about 6 months. I lost a good bit of weight. But, I'm sure it was from my intake being accounted for accurately. But, I did feel good after the initial "Keto Flu" period. Like I had no ups or downs the way I do with a lot of carbs. Since then I've adjusted to a more sustainable diet, still with a lower amount of carbs, but carbs nonetheless.
As Chestinator mentioned, if you have a sweettooth, you're going to have to get creative with your foods. I had many recipes for low-carb sweets.3 -
I've lost weight calorie counting and i've lost weight calorie counting eating keto. Either way, it was my calorie balance that was the reason I lost the weight - but I do find keto more filling, satisfying and better for my recomp/muscle building goals.
I don't have any 'reason' to do Keto, I just enjoy the food and how it makes me feel. It's worth a try, but personally I would recommend a beginner do plain calorie counting first to learn the basics, and then try keto, as it requires a lot of attention to macro ratios, micronutrients etc.
Yeah, I've heard that Keto keeps you feeling full. That might be a good enough reason to try it! 2 -
I've lost weight calorie counting and i've lost weight calorie counting eating keto. Either way, it was my calorie balance that was the reason I lost the weight - but I do find keto more filling, satisfying and better for my recomp/muscle building goals.
I don't have any 'reason' to do Keto, I just enjoy the food and how it makes me feel. It's worth a try, but personally I would recommend a beginner do plain calorie counting first to learn the basics, and then try keto, as it requires a lot of attention to macro ratios, micronutrients etc.
Yeah, I've heard that Keto keeps you feeling full. That might be a good enough reason to try it!
Yes, it's because it's a very high fat diet. Fats keep you feeling fuller longer.3 -
Merrysailor5 wrote: »I did Keto for about 6 months. I lost a good bit of weight. But, I'm sure it was from my intake being accounted for accurately. But, I did feel good after the initial "Keto Flu" period. Like I had no ups or downs the way I do with a lot of carbs. Since then I've adjusted to a more sustainable diet, still with a lower amount of carbs, but carbs nonetheless.
As Chestinator mentioned, if you have a sweettooth, you're going to have to get creative with your foods. I had many recipes for low-carb sweets.
I've heard other people say the same thing. Definitely makes me want to give it a try.0 -
I've lost weight calorie counting and i've lost weight calorie counting eating keto. Either way, it was my calorie balance that was the reason I lost the weight - but I do find keto more filling, satisfying and better for my recomp/muscle building goals.
I don't have any 'reason' to do Keto, I just enjoy the food and how it makes me feel. It's worth a try, but personally I would recommend a beginner do plain calorie counting first to learn the basics, and then try keto, as it requires a lot of attention to macro ratios, micronutrients etc.
Yeah, I've heard that Keto keeps you feeling full. That might be a good enough reason to try it!
Satiation is highly individual. Some people find more protein keeps them more satiated, some people fats and some people actually find carbs more filling. I kept trying to up my protein in an attempt to feel more satiated because that's what you always hear works, but it never worked. For me, fiber and fat are important for satiation. So you might be more satiated, but don't feel like that's something that must happen or you're doing it wrong.
Also, what's wrong with salt, spices and potatoes???10 -
I have been losing weight for 3 years and after a very long stall tried Keto. I have been on Keto for 4 months and love it. Sure its all about calorie reduction but for me I can finally fast, eat the foods I enjoy and finally have given up sugar.
I did have a sweet tooth, my problem was I could not do them in moderation so having to give them up worked for me.
For me this is a WOE I can do long term as I seldom get hungry.
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I've lost weight both keto and not. I felt no benefits to eating that low carb, I had to restrict my fruit and vegetable intake drastically (which I think is stupid) and I didn't feel less hungry.
As someone who is training to try and grow muscle, I don't think eating low carb/keto is beneficial.9 -
I'm not doing keto, but my mom and brother are. Every time I'm like "hey let's eat this", they say "sorry we can't" I always forget they are doing it. Too restrictive in my opinion.
All about calories anyway, so I eat the foods I want in moderation. And still achieve the goals I set.
Good luck to you as well. I hope you choose something sustainable.11 -
I tried keto for about 4 months last year and couldn’t hack it. I was miserable. Even after getting over the initial keto flu, I never experienced any energy increase, in fact I was tired all the time. I was more full, but the high fat made me feel heavy all the time and nauseous pretty regularly. I went back to a more balanced diet with moderate carbs and my energy level is back to normal and I never have the heavy feeling anymore.
And yes, I’ve had people tell me I wasn’t doing keto right or never got into ketosis. I was extremely strict about it, it just simply was not for me.
I’m really only putting this out there as an example that keto doesn’t work for everyone. You should try it if you want to, and if it works for you, that’s awesome! I’ve known several people that absolutely love it both for weight loss and maintenance.9 -
I have not done keto, but these groups have a lot of information about low carb and keto diets:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/1143-keto
Also, there is a group for women with PCOS, lots of info in there about experiences with dietary interventions and medications:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/3070-p-c-o-sis4 -
Any diet that restricts or bans an entire macronutrient is not healthy. Sure you can restrict carbs to help lose weight but cutting out fiber, fruits and vegetables seem ridiculous in the long run. The only reason I’ve heard keto actually work is for people with epilepsy as it helps reduce their seizures.10
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Hello!
I have friends who have been successful with using keto. I also have friends that weren’t. I fall into the latter group. It wasn’t the right fit for me. I’d strongly advise following the above links and joining the Low Carber group. So many experienced folk to help guide you along the way.
Cheers!!2 -
Any diet that restricts or bans an entire macronutrient is not healthy. Sure you can restrict carbs to help lose weight but cutting out fiber, fruits and vegetables seem ridiculous in the long run. The only reason I’ve heard keto actually work is for people with epilepsy as it helps reduce their seizures.
Do you have a source that shows that a ketogenic diet is unhealthy? And people who restrict carbs do eat fiber, fruits, and vegetables. Many people count net carbs, which is the number of carbs after subtracting fiber. Vegetables seem to be the carb of choice for low carbers on this site.10 -
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/ketogenic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5452247/#!po=21.5596
As I said ok for a very particular subset of people under a doctor’s supervision but from what I read on here people are doing it because it’s the cool new fad diet that will be the magic pill while never learning how to actually eat a healthy sustainable diet for the long term. Also overtime the results even out overtime with traditional weight loss not making any better so why put yourself through such a restrictive diet to just get the same results but putting yourself at more risk of regaining the weight?7 -
I did keto for about a year. Losing weight was actually a lot easier because I found fat and protein filling and it curbed my hunger really well.
Ultimately, I found it too hard to stick to. I love bread, bagels, pizza, potatoes, desserts, etc. The substitute recipes just didn't cut it for me. Keto pizza is OKAY, but it doesn't hold a candle to regular pizza!
Now I just focus on calories and I enjoy small high-carb treats every day. I still try to focus on proteins, healthy fats, fresh veggies, etc. But I also allow myself to enjoy carbs every day.
If keto is too restrictive to you, there's no harm in trying a general low-carb approach instead. 7 -
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/ketogenic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5452247/#!po=21.5596
As I said ok for a very particular subset of people under a doctor’s supervision but from what I read on here people are doing it because it’s the cool new fad diet that will be the magic pill while never learning how to actually eat a healthy sustainable diet for the long term. Also overtime the results even out overtime with traditional weight loss not making any better so why put yourself through such a restrictive diet to just get the same results but putting yourself at more risk of regaining the weight?
I don't believe you have the slightest clue how a ketogenic diet works. And the junk articles you cite are some of the most one sided garbage I've seen in quite a while. I personally know lots of people that are living in NK (Nutritional Ketosis). They live great lives and range from stay at home moms to neurosurgeons. Yes living Ketogenic is not for everyone, it takes a little willpower and self control. If you find yourself unable to control what you put in your mouth then this WoE (Way of Eating) is not for you. The crap you are spewing about no fiber , fruits, or vegetables is total BS. Vegetables and fiber actually make up a large part of the diet with this WoE. The only reason fruit is restricted is because it is high in Fructose (Sugar = Carbs). Now let's cover your "Restricts or Bans an entire Macronutrient" statement. Do you mean the way Fat is eliminated or severely restricted in a low fat diet? Maybe I'm reading you wrong. And as for Fad diet....... I guess it's only been around for a bit more than 100 years, so calling it a Fad is a bit egotistical. Try doing a little more reading with a little more variety of viewpoint before you start trying to sound like an expert next time. You are entitled to your personal beliefs but when you start trying to tell people junk science is the only way to go it really gives those of us with our own thoughts and brains a good laugh, but mostly at you and not with you.20 -
The links above are to great groups. The main forums are not the best places to get good keto advice. People are often ignorant in this diet - they haven't read up on it. I remember years ago during the low fat craze, before I had any interest in nutrition for improving my health, thinking that the Atkins diet was a horrible idea because it was so high in fat. I have been ketogenic for most of the past 2.5 years, and fat is usually 70-75% of my diet. LOL
Ketogenic diets are excellent for treating insulin resistance. Weight loss will help too, but low carbs often helps within the first week or two. The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living is a great book that addresses LCHF for IR. Dr Bernstein's Diabetes Solution is another great book. That was the book that led me to a ketogenic diet to treat my prediabetes and autoimmune issues. As a bonus, I found it made weight management much easier for me. I too was another with a sweet tooth that I could not moderate even after years of trying. I was slowly gaining weight while trying to lose.
I do go in and out of ketosis. Over the holiday I have not been ketogenic and I feel it - more sluggish, more hunger and I get hypoglycaemic symptoms again like shakiness. The carby food was fun, but I'm back to lower carb today so I can feel better again (fewer headaches, less bloating, less constipation, better energy, better sleep, better skin, clearer head, way better blood glucose...).
I will probably be a keto'er or low carber for the rest of my life. For me, the health benefits are too great to make skipping baked goods an issue.
Good luck.9 -
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/ketogenic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5452247/#!po=21.5596
As I said ok for a very particular subset of people under a doctor’s supervision but from what I read on here people are doing it because it’s the cool new fad diet that will be the magic pill while never learning how to actually eat a healthy sustainable diet for the long term. Also overtime the results even out overtime with traditional weight loss not making any better so why put yourself through such a restrictive diet to just get the same results but putting yourself at more risk of regaining the weight?
I don't believe you have the slightest clue how a ketogenic diet works. And the junk articles you cite are some of the most one sided garbage I've seen in quite a while. I personally know lots of people that are living in NK (Nutritional Ketosis). They live great lives and range from stay at home moms to neurosurgeons. Yes living Ketogenic is not for everyone, it takes a little willpower and self control. If you find yourself unable to control what you put in your mouth then this WoE (Way of Eating) is not for you. The crap you are spewing about no fiber , fruits, or vegetables is total BS. Vegetables and fiber actually make up a large part of the diet with this WoE. The only reason fruit is restricted is because it is high in Fructose (Sugar = Carbs). Now let's cover your "Restricts or Bans an entire Macronutrient" statement. Do you mean the way Fat is eliminated or severely restricted in a low fat diet? Maybe I'm reading you wrong. And as for Fad diet....... I guess it's only been around for a bit more than 100 years, so calling it a Fad is a bit egotistical. Try doing a little more reading with a little more variety of viewpoint before you start trying to sound like an expert next time. You are entitled to your personal beliefs but when you start trying to tell people junk science is the only way to go it really gives those of us with our own thoughts and brains a good laugh, but mostly at you and not with you.
because articles published in peer reviewed journals or by medical schools are junk - correct?13 -
I have been on a plan for exactly 6 months (today) ---- although it's not the very definition of "ketogenic" [low carb and high fat] .... it's very low carb (20-30 net carbs per day) with (mostly lean) protein & good fats (oils, fish, etc)
I've also got back in the gym 3 days per week and running another 3 days per week with a "rest day" if I want to take one to fill out the week
I track EVERYTHING on MFP and it's helped me not only stay on track but plan my day(s) out in advance
I am down 114.6 lbs and have not felt this good in decades!
I plan to lose another 35-40 lbs
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deannalfisher wrote: »https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/ketogenic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5452247/#!po=21.5596
As I said ok for a very particular subset of people under a doctor’s supervision but from what I read on here people are doing it because it’s the cool new fad diet that will be the magic pill while never learning how to actually eat a healthy sustainable diet for the long term. Also overtime the results even out overtime with traditional weight loss not making any better so why put yourself through such a restrictive diet to just get the same results but putting yourself at more risk of regaining the weight?
I don't believe you have the slightest clue how a ketogenic diet works. And the junk articles you cite are some of the most one sided garbage I've seen in quite a while. I personally know lots of people that are living in NK (Nutritional Ketosis). They live great lives and range from stay at home moms to neurosurgeons. Yes living Ketogenic is not for everyone, it takes a little willpower and self control. If you find yourself unable to control what you put in your mouth then this WoE (Way of Eating) is not for you. The crap you are spewing about no fiber , fruits, or vegetables is total BS. Vegetables and fiber actually make up a large part of the diet with this WoE. The only reason fruit is restricted is because it is high in Fructose (Sugar = Carbs). Now let's cover your "Restricts or Bans an entire Macronutrient" statement. Do you mean the way Fat is eliminated or severely restricted in a low fat diet? Maybe I'm reading you wrong. And as for Fad diet....... I guess it's only been around for a bit more than 100 years, so calling it a Fad is a bit egotistical. Try doing a little more reading with a little more variety of viewpoint before you start trying to sound like an expert next time. You are entitled to your personal beliefs but when you start trying to tell people junk science is the only way to go it really gives those of us with our own thoughts and brains a good laugh, but mostly at you and not with you.
because articles published in peer reviewed journals or by medical schools are junk - correct?
The articles were supposed to support the claim that the diet is unhealthy, however the Harvard article did not say that the diet is unhealthy; the only possible health issue it stated was the potential to overeat on red meat and fatty, salty, processed foods, which you can do on any diet.
The other study said the diet is "not totally safe," but in the conclusion states "As KD are often rich in fats, some negative effects could happen. Mainly in rodents, developments of NAFLD and insulin resistance were described. In humans, insulin resistance is also a potential negative effect, but some studies have shown improvements in insulin sensitivity." I don't think rodent studies and inconclusive evidence on insulin resistance are enough to support the claim that the diet is unhealthy.5 -
deannalfisher wrote: »https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/ketogenic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5452247/#!po=21.5596
As I said ok for a very particular subset of people under a doctor’s supervision but from what I read on here people are doing it because it’s the cool new fad diet that will be the magic pill while never learning how to actually eat a healthy sustainable diet for the long term. Also overtime the results even out overtime with traditional weight loss not making any better so why put yourself through such a restrictive diet to just get the same results but putting yourself at more risk of regaining the weight?
I don't believe you have the slightest clue how a ketogenic diet works. And the junk articles you cite are some of the most one sided garbage I've seen in quite a while. I personally know lots of people that are living in NK (Nutritional Ketosis). They live great lives and range from stay at home moms to neurosurgeons. Yes living Ketogenic is not for everyone, it takes a little willpower and self control. If you find yourself unable to control what you put in your mouth then this WoE (Way of Eating) is not for you. The crap you are spewing about no fiber , fruits, or vegetables is total BS. Vegetables and fiber actually make up a large part of the diet with this WoE. The only reason fruit is restricted is because it is high in Fructose (Sugar = Carbs). Now let's cover your "Restricts or Bans an entire Macronutrient" statement. Do you mean the way Fat is eliminated or severely restricted in a low fat diet? Maybe I'm reading you wrong. And as for Fad diet....... I guess it's only been around for a bit more than 100 years, so calling it a Fad is a bit egotistical. Try doing a little more reading with a little more variety of viewpoint before you start trying to sound like an expert next time. You are entitled to your personal beliefs but when you start trying to tell people junk science is the only way to go it really gives those of us with our own thoughts and brains a good laugh, but mostly at you and not with you.
because articles published in peer reviewed journals or by medical schools are junk - correct?
The articles were supposed to support the claim that the diet is unhealthy, however the Harvard article did not say that the diet is unhealthy; the only possible health issue it stated was the potential to overeat on red meat and fatty, salty, processed foods, which you can do on any diet.
The other study said the diet is "not totally safe," but in the conclusion states "As KD are often rich in fats, some negative effects could happen. Mainly in rodents, developments of NAFLD and insulin resistance were described. In humans, insulin resistance is also a potential negative effect, but some studies have shown improvements in insulin sensitivity." I don't think rodent studies and inconclusive evidence on insulin resistance are enough to support the claim that the diet is unhealthy.
my comment was more to do with this comment made:
And the junk articles you cite are some of the most one sided garbage I've seen in quite a while.2 -
deannalfisher wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/ketogenic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5452247/#!po=21.5596
As I said ok for a very particular subset of people under a doctor’s supervision but from what I read on here people are doing it because it’s the cool new fad diet that will be the magic pill while never learning how to actually eat a healthy sustainable diet for the long term. Also overtime the results even out overtime with traditional weight loss not making any better so why put yourself through such a restrictive diet to just get the same results but putting yourself at more risk of regaining the weight?
I don't believe you have the slightest clue how a ketogenic diet works. And the junk articles you cite are some of the most one sided garbage I've seen in quite a while. I personally know lots of people that are living in NK (Nutritional Ketosis). They live great lives and range from stay at home moms to neurosurgeons. Yes living Ketogenic is not for everyone, it takes a little willpower and self control. If you find yourself unable to control what you put in your mouth then this WoE (Way of Eating) is not for you. The crap you are spewing about no fiber , fruits, or vegetables is total BS. Vegetables and fiber actually make up a large part of the diet with this WoE. The only reason fruit is restricted is because it is high in Fructose (Sugar = Carbs). Now let's cover your "Restricts or Bans an entire Macronutrient" statement. Do you mean the way Fat is eliminated or severely restricted in a low fat diet? Maybe I'm reading you wrong. And as for Fad diet....... I guess it's only been around for a bit more than 100 years, so calling it a Fad is a bit egotistical. Try doing a little more reading with a little more variety of viewpoint before you start trying to sound like an expert next time. You are entitled to your personal beliefs but when you start trying to tell people junk science is the only way to go it really gives those of us with our own thoughts and brains a good laugh, but mostly at you and not with you.
because articles published in peer reviewed journals or by medical schools are junk - correct?
The articles were supposed to support the claim that the diet is unhealthy, however the Harvard article did not say that the diet is unhealthy; the only possible health issue it stated was the potential to overeat on red meat and fatty, salty, processed foods, which you can do on any diet.
The other study said the diet is "not totally safe," but in the conclusion states "As KD are often rich in fats, some negative effects could happen. Mainly in rodents, developments of NAFLD and insulin resistance were described. In humans, insulin resistance is also a potential negative effect, but some studies have shown improvements in insulin sensitivity." I don't think rodent studies and inconclusive evidence on insulin resistance are enough to support the claim that the diet is unhealthy.
my comment was more to do with this comment made:
And the junk articles you cite are some of the most one sided garbage I've seen in quite a while.
I realize that, but just because someone found something that says Harvard or comes from PubMed doesn't mean that it should pass without criticism either. The Harvard piece is a blog, with no cited sources, written by a primary care doctor, and one of the most frequent criticisms we see around here are that physicians do not receive a great deal of training in nutrition. His bio does not indicate work specifically in nutrition, or nutrition even listed as an interest, and his article reflects that.
Take his criticism of the diet - "Because it is so restrictive, it is really hard to follow over the long run. Carbohydrates normally account for at least 50% of the typical American diet. One of the main criticisms of this diet is that many people tend to eat too much protein and poor-quality fats from processed foods, with very few fruits and vegetables." - that does not sound like any keto diet I've seen described on this site. The majority of users here seem to be getting fats from butter, coconut oil, and meat, and tend to be moderate protein if that. But since he didn't cite any sources, who knows where he came up with that.4 -
deannalfisher wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/ketogenic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5452247/#!po=21.5596
As I said ok for a very particular subset of people under a doctor’s supervision but from what I read on here people are doing it because it’s the cool new fad diet that will be the magic pill while never learning how to actually eat a healthy sustainable diet for the long term. Also overtime the results even out overtime with traditional weight loss not making any better so why put yourself through such a restrictive diet to just get the same results but putting yourself at more risk of regaining the weight?
I don't believe you have the slightest clue how a ketogenic diet works. And the junk articles you cite are some of the most one sided garbage I've seen in quite a while. I personally know lots of people that are living in NK (Nutritional Ketosis). They live great lives and range from stay at home moms to neurosurgeons. Yes living Ketogenic is not for everyone, it takes a little willpower and self control. If you find yourself unable to control what you put in your mouth then this WoE (Way of Eating) is not for you. The crap you are spewing about no fiber , fruits, or vegetables is total BS. Vegetables and fiber actually make up a large part of the diet with this WoE. The only reason fruit is restricted is because it is high in Fructose (Sugar = Carbs). Now let's cover your "Restricts or Bans an entire Macronutrient" statement. Do you mean the way Fat is eliminated or severely restricted in a low fat diet? Maybe I'm reading you wrong. And as for Fad diet....... I guess it's only been around for a bit more than 100 years, so calling it a Fad is a bit egotistical. Try doing a little more reading with a little more variety of viewpoint before you start trying to sound like an expert next time. You are entitled to your personal beliefs but when you start trying to tell people junk science is the only way to go it really gives those of us with our own thoughts and brains a good laugh, but mostly at you and not with you.
because articles published in peer reviewed journals or by medical schools are junk - correct?
The articles were supposed to support the claim that the diet is unhealthy, however the Harvard article did not say that the diet is unhealthy; the only possible health issue it stated was the potential to overeat on red meat and fatty, salty, processed foods, which you can do on any diet.
The other study said the diet is "not totally safe," but in the conclusion states "As KD are often rich in fats, some negative effects could happen. Mainly in rodents, developments of NAFLD and insulin resistance were described. In humans, insulin resistance is also a potential negative effect, but some studies have shown improvements in insulin sensitivity." I don't think rodent studies and inconclusive evidence on insulin resistance are enough to support the claim that the diet is unhealthy.
my comment was more to do with this comment made:
And the junk articles you cite are some of the most one sided garbage I've seen in quite a while.
I realize that, but just because someone found something that says Harvard or comes from PubMed doesn't mean that it should pass without criticism either. The Harvard piece is a blog, with no cited sources, written by a primary care doctor, and one of the most frequent criticisms we see around here are that physicians do not receive a great deal of training in nutrition. His bio does not indicate work specifically in nutrition, or nutrition even listed as an interest, and his article reflects that.
Take his criticism of the diet - "Because it is so restrictive, it is really hard to follow over the long run. Carbohydrates normally account for at least 50% of the typical American diet. One of the main criticisms of this diet is that many people tend to eat too much protein and poor-quality fats from processed foods, with very few fruits and vegetables." - that does not sound like any keto diet I've seen described on this site. The majority of users here seem to be getting fats from butter, coconut oil, and meat, and tend to be moderate protein if that. But since he didn't cite any sources, who knows where he came up with that.
unfortuantely while you haven't seen that on the site - I have from newer people and i've had people I've worked with who are trying it make similar comments...to paraphrase one - so i could have a steak with butter and bacon and lose weight...
I tried to find the link to the Alan Aragon Keto meta-analysis which looked at 200+ keto studies - most of the conculsions of him and the panel of experts was that more long-term research was needed with larger subject pools (this conclusion was based on a the review of the research where many studies only had 10-20 subjects) which makes any kind of results harder to generalize to the wide population.
additionally, personnally, I did research and there are limited indications (and I acknowledge that more research is necessary) which ties lower carb diets (while not specifically calling keto out) to the increase in thyroid disorders over the last couple of decades.4 -
I did Atkins and various other low carb diets over the years. At first I loved them but then missed carbs too much. I agree it is a great hunger reducer and some people do really well on them but for me it wasn't sustainable.1
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I have not done keto, but these groups have a lot of information about low carb and keto diets:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/1143-keto
Also, there is a group for women with PCOS, lots of info in there about experiences with dietary interventions and medications:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/3070-p-c-o-sisI have not done keto, but these groups have a lot of information about low carb and keto diets:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/1143-keto
Also, there is a group for women with PCOS, lots of info in there about experiences with dietary interventions and medications:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/3070-p-c-o-sis
Many thanks to you for sharing these links!0
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