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Cutting out coffee or diet coke

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  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
    Increased rate of glucose transfer. But there's no glucose in artificial sweeteners, so it's a moot point. Additionally, the glucose is going to get into your cells/bloodstream anyway, so it's still a moot point.

    Of course, this flies completely in the face of the idea that your body doesn't know how to process/metabolize said sweeteners.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    Ryansworld84 wrote: »
    I understad that it contains water etc however are any of you advocating never drinking water and only drinking diet pop or in the least are you advocating this is a good idea?

    No, I'm disagreeing with your claim that diet soda should be cut out because it has nothing you need in it.

    I didn't even consider never drinking water, as I love water.
  • Ryansworld84
    Ryansworld84 Posts: 83 Member
    The reason I took the extreme position was this:
    RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »

    I don't drink any water except in my diet coke/tea/coffee

    Your body needs hydration, it is personal preference how you do that.

    I took that as “I never drink water and you dont need to ever drink water”.

    This seems to be a very polarizing topic! I will deff do some reading about it for my own benefit.

  • RuNaRoUnDaFiEld
    RuNaRoUnDaFiEld Posts: 5,864 Member
    Ryansworld84 wrote: »
    The reason I took the extreme position was this:
    RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »

    I don't drink any water except in my diet coke/tea/coffee

    Your body needs hydration, it is personal preference how you do that.

    I took that as “I never drink water and you dont need to ever drink water”.

    This seems to be a very polarizing topic! I will deff do some reading about it for my own benefit.

    I don't. Except during a race that only provides water.
    My water comes warm with a tea bag in it. Normally nettle. Another diuretic.
  • kristen8000
    kristen8000 Posts: 747 Member
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    kristen8000 wrote: »
    myles1230 wrote: »
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    myles1230 wrote: »
    Coffee black with some cinnamon for flavor. Sugar and cream will be converted into fat. No pop at all. Diet pop is actually worse than regular pop because of the fake sugars your body doesn’t know how to break it down so it can actually make u gain weight.

    Everything in your post is 100% wrong, but please do feel free to explain, in physiological terms, how a zero calorie substance can make you gain weight.

    (Hint: It can't)

    I’m not talking about the calories. I’m talking about the artificial sweeteners

    I hate to be a major party pooper on your "artifical sweeteners" causing weight gain bandwagon, but I lost 22lbs since August 1st while having Splenda in my oatmeal and a Diet Coke EVERYDAY. Sometimes 2. And I'm still alive. And a 19.7 BMI. Am I a special unicorn?

    I'll see your n=1 and raise it to n=2. I drink at least one diet soda almost every day, sometimes more. I also regularly use aspartame to sweeten my iced tea. Yet I've lost over 70 pounds and 15% of my bodyfat, am at a healthy weight/normal BMI and what is considered an "athletic/fitness" percentage of bodyfat. What is this wizardry?!?

    I don't know. We must be special. Something in our DNA (my loss since August was re-gain after losing 50lbs in 2011). Still trying to master maintaining...maybe I need to stop artifical sweeteners?
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    edited January 2018
    kristen8000 wrote: »
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    kristen8000 wrote: »
    myles1230 wrote: »
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    myles1230 wrote: »
    Coffee black with some cinnamon for flavor. Sugar and cream will be converted into fat. No pop at all. Diet pop is actually worse than regular pop because of the fake sugars your body doesn’t know how to break it down so it can actually make u gain weight.

    Everything in your post is 100% wrong, but please do feel free to explain, in physiological terms, how a zero calorie substance can make you gain weight.

    (Hint: It can't)

    I’m not talking about the calories. I’m talking about the artificial sweeteners

    I hate to be a major party pooper on your "artifical sweeteners" causing weight gain bandwagon, but I lost 22lbs since August 1st while having Splenda in my oatmeal and a Diet Coke EVERYDAY. Sometimes 2. And I'm still alive. And a 19.7 BMI. Am I a special unicorn?

    I'll see your n=1 and raise it to n=2. I drink at least one diet soda almost every day, sometimes more. I also regularly use aspartame to sweeten my iced tea. Yet I've lost over 70 pounds and 15% of my bodyfat, am at a healthy weight/normal BMI and what is considered an "athletic/fitness" percentage of bodyfat. What is this wizardry?!?

    I don't know. We must be special. Something in our DNA (my loss since August was re-gain after losing 50lbs in 2011). Still trying to master maintaining...maybe I need to stop artifical sweeteners?

    I've been more or less in maintenance since last September. Still drinking diet soda and artificially sweetened iced tea (along with coffee & creamer as well). The only difference between losing weight and maintaining is that I've upped my calorie intake a bit.
  • kristen8000
    kristen8000 Posts: 747 Member
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    kristen8000 wrote: »
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    kristen8000 wrote: »
    myles1230 wrote: »
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    myles1230 wrote: »
    Coffee black with some cinnamon for flavor. Sugar and cream will be converted into fat. No pop at all. Diet pop is actually worse than regular pop because of the fake sugars your body doesn’t know how to break it down so it can actually make u gain weight.

    Everything in your post is 100% wrong, but please do feel free to explain, in physiological terms, how a zero calorie substance can make you gain weight.

    (Hint: It can't)

    I’m not talking about the calories. I’m talking about the artificial sweeteners

    I hate to be a major party pooper on your "artifical sweeteners" causing weight gain bandwagon, but I lost 22lbs since August 1st while having Splenda in my oatmeal and a Diet Coke EVERYDAY. Sometimes 2. And I'm still alive. And a 19.7 BMI. Am I a special unicorn?

    I'll see your n=1 and raise it to n=2. I drink at least one diet soda almost every day, sometimes more. I also regularly use aspartame to sweeten my iced tea. Yet I've lost over 70 pounds and 15% of my bodyfat, am at a healthy weight/normal BMI and what is considered an "athletic/fitness" percentage of bodyfat. What is this wizardry?!?

    I don't know. We must be special. Something in our DNA (my loss since August was re-gain after losing 50lbs in 2011). Still trying to master maintaining...maybe I need to stop artifical sweeteners?

    I've been more or less in maintenance since last September. Still drinking diet soda and artificially sweetened iced tea (along with coffee & creamer as well). The only difference between losing weight and maintaining is that I've upped my calorie intake a bit.

    I wish we had a sarcasm font - I was totally kidding. I'll never give the stuff up. I know my regain was from eating too much food and drinking too much beer. Not from Diet Coke and Splenda.
  • estherdragonbat
    estherdragonbat Posts: 5,283 Member
    I was drinking over 2 liters a day of it most days, and dropped over 90 lbs. Then I had bladder surgery and my doctor wanted me to cut back on (not cut out) caffeine and fizzy stuff while I healed. So for six weeks, it was a mini-can a day and now it's 1-2 normal cans a day. I admit to being hooked on caffeine, and I never liked coffee.
  • Rickster1967
    Rickster1967 Posts: 485 Member
    I've lost 63lb in 152 days, drank coffee (black, no sugar, several cups) and Coke Zero (at least a litre) every day. Only time I drink plain water is taking pills, before, during and after workout. Or if really thirsty in summer maybe

    Yeah it may not be optimal healthwise but the damage it does is piffle compared to the health benefit of dropping the weight which is enormous i.e will extend my life by 10 years or something
  • estherdragonbat
    estherdragonbat Posts: 5,283 Member
    edited January 2018
    :laugh: Oh, the irony....
  • lks802
    lks802 Posts: 65 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    lks802 wrote: »
    wizzybeth wrote: »
    lks802 wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    lks802 wrote: »
    Also, check your creamer ingredients. Many of the flavored ones are non-dairy, meaning it’s mostly water and sugar (usually high fructose corn syrup). I almost died when I actually looked at ingredients. You can buy organic half and half that is only milk and cream.

    So you'd been consuming it for a while without feeling any ill effects and you almost died when you noticed what was in it?

    Maybe the problem isn't with the ingredients but with your perception of them.

    Nope, not perception. Not anything noticeable alone, but it was only one bit of the artificial fake food to be cut out...and after getting rid of all of it, yes, felt much better.

    Nobody is going to die if they put a tiny bit of crap in their diet. But why be so angry about someone suggesting to be aware of it? I’m not some whole, clean food zealot...I don’t care what other people choose to eat/drink. Eating whole, natural, organic foods will never be bad. Why eat fake sugar if you need or want to?

    Actually I used to be on the organic bandwagon until I couldn't afford it anymore, and until I realized that the USDA does not really check up on companies who claim to be organic - and I was throwing a lot of money away for a pricey label.

    I have actually felt much better physically every time I controlled my calorie intake, made sure I was adequately hydrated, increased exercise, all while paying attention to my nutrients: eating enough protein, fat, fiber, calcium, etc....without worrying about organic vs. non-organic. I eat/drink things that taste good to me - I'm not hyped up about "fake this" or "fake that." I eat a LOT of Lean Cuisines and other "processed" foods.

    I personally don't eat artificially sweetened food because I hate the taste of it - I do not think there is anything wrong with it though. Most of the sources I have seen of the "stay away from scary processed or artificially sweetened foods" are from Practitioners of Woo.

    If you feel good eating lean cuisines, then do that. The sodium content alone in those meals makes me feel awful.

    I don't eat Lean Cuisines, but I pulled up the nutrition information for one at random and found that it has 600 mg of sodium (https://www.leancuisine.com/products/details/3). That's the amount in about 2 pickle spears (http://www.cookinglight.com/eating-smart/nutrition-101/how-much-salt-is-in-a-pickle) or two 100 g servings of cottage cheese or 100 calories of olives, all foods I can eat happily. It's also the amount in about one-third of a teaspoon of kosher salt. So if that really makes you feel awful, probably you are unusually sensitive to salt.


    I personally like cooking lots of vegetables and such as part of a meal (so do many people who occasionally eat Lean Cuisines, I'd bet), but I often toss a pinch of salt on them when cooking. So I guess that's bad too.

    I am. I rarely use it when cooking, and hear complaints from the family. Deli meats and cheeses also can bother me. For a while I thought it could be MSG sensitive, but not every food I ate with MSG had same effect. MSG is almost as prevalent as sodium in packaged foods. I just know high sodium foods and I don’t always get along.
  • stanmann571
    stanmann571 Posts: 5,727 Member
    edited January 2018
    Ryansworld84 wrote: »
    The reason I took the extreme position was this:
    RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »

    I don't drink any water except in my diet coke/tea/coffee

    Your body needs hydration, it is personal preference how you do that.

    I took that as “I never drink water and you dont need to ever drink water”.

    This seems to be a very polarizing topic! I will deff do some reading about it for my own benefit.

    @Ryansworld84

    I will grant you that is an extreme and suboptimal position, but many people do things every day that are suboptimal. Financing a car, not saving for retirement before age 40, etc.

    I would certainly recommend against drinking diet cola(not to be confused with soda) as one's only hydration source, as there are risks to enamel and calcium as well as increased chances of aggravating reflux, etc. But on the risk scale, it ranks somewhere below walking across the street and driving on the freeway. It's an avoidable risk, but is unlikely to be a primary cause of death.
  • wizzybeth
    wizzybeth Posts: 3,578 Member
    edited January 2018
    lks802 wrote: »
    wizzybeth wrote: »
    lks802 wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    lks802 wrote: »
    Also, check your creamer ingredients. Many of the flavored ones are non-dairy, meaning it’s mostly water and sugar (usually high fructose corn syrup). I almost died when I actually looked at ingredients. You can buy organic half and half that is only milk and cream.

    So you'd been consuming it for a while without feeling any ill effects and you almost died when you noticed what was in it?

    Maybe the problem isn't with the ingredients but with your perception of them.

    Nope, not perception. Not anything noticeable alone, but it was only one bit of the artificial fake food to be cut out...and after getting rid of all of it, yes, felt much better.

    Nobody is going to die if they put a tiny bit of crap in their diet. But why be so angry about someone suggesting to be aware of it? I’m not some whole, clean food zealot...I don’t care what other people choose to eat/drink. Eating whole, natural, organic foods will never be bad. Why eat fake sugar if you need or want to?

    Actually I used to be on the organic bandwagon until I couldn't afford it anymore, and until I realized that the USDA does not really check up on companies who claim to be organic - and I was throwing a lot of money away for a pricey label.

    I have actually felt much better physically every time I controlled my calorie intake, made sure I was adequately hydrated, increased exercise, all while paying attention to my nutrients: eating enough protein, fat, fiber, calcium, etc....without worrying about organic vs. non-organic. I eat/drink things that taste good to me - I'm not hyped up about "fake this" or "fake that." I eat a LOT of Lean Cuisines and other "processed" foods.

    I personally don't eat artificially sweetened food because I hate the taste of it - I do not think there is anything wrong with it though. Most of the sources I have seen of the "stay away from scary processed or artificially sweetened foods" are from Practitioners of Woo.

    If you feel good eating lean cuisines, then do that. The sodium content alone in those meals makes me feel awful. I can also eat a larger volume of food if I simply eat quality proteins and roasted fresh veggies. For me, the taste of freshly prepared far exceeds any prepackaged meal. But me saying that doesn’t mean I’m attacking those whose make different food choices.

    I hear you on the organic. If I stick to seasonal fruits/veggies, the expense isn’t very noticeable to overall budget. I will always be a proponent for eating whole and fresh over packaged, but that doesn’t mean I’m criticizing others food choice. I don’t buy everything organic.

    I only read OP and not the thread until I started getting quoted. I had no idea there was a debate on here. Why is paying attention to what you put in your body ever a bad thing?

    And sodium has very little effect on me, and I rarely go "over" the daily recommended on MFP by very much. Everyone's different which is why it's not a good idea to make blanket statements about things
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