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Cutting out coffee or diet coke
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Coffee black with some cinnamon for flavor. Sugar and cream will be converted into fat. No pop at all. Diet pop is actually worse than regular pop because of the fake sugars your body doesn’t know how to break it down so it can actually make u gain weight.
Nope, not true. That is a myth that's been debunked.
What usually happens with people who gain weight while drinking diet soda - is the same thing that happens to people who gain weight while going to the gym - they think drinking diet soda (or working out 20 mins on the treadmill) cancels out that burger or pizza they just ate that put them over their actual calorie limit for the day....Coffee black with some cinnamon for flavor. Sugar and cream will be converted into fat. No pop at all. Diet pop is actually worse than regular pop because of the fake sugars your body doesn’t know how to break it down so it can actually make u gain weight.
Holy Bro, Batman!
Sugar and cream will not be converted into fat, if not in a Caloric surplus. Sugar, especially.
Artificial sweeteners: if your body doesn't know how to break it down, it can't possibly make you gain weight. They'll just pass right through you. Of course, that's not what happens. And they won't make you gain weight.janejellyroll wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »
Also, if your body doesn't "know" how to break something down . . . how can it be stored as energy (which is what fat is)? That argument, whatever type of food it is made for, makes zero sense.RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Coffee black with some cinnamon for flavor. Sugar and cream will be converted into fat. No pop at all. Diet pop is actually worse than regular pop because of the fake sugars your body doesn’t know how to break it down so it can actually make u gain weight.
Are you trying to say that if I eat at maintenance calories but some of those calories were sugar and cream I would put on fat?
And a zero calorie sweetener can put weight on me?janejellyroll wrote: »Ditch the diet soda because of the artificial sweeteners. Sodas in general are crap foods and coffee isn’t nearly as bad. If it’s a vice/treat for you, maybe wean off to move to seltzer water with a squeeze of lemon or lime or some other fresh fruit. I did that to drop soda and I don’t miss soda at all. I couldn’t care less to drink it again.
If you change what you put in your coffee, you don’t need to give it up. You can use whole milk, coconut or some other nut milk as creamer and maybe use 1-2 drops of liquid organic stevia to sweeten. (Organic liquid stevia can be bitter bc it’s not a processed sugar, it won’t sweeten like a Splenda, etc). Over time you can change your ratio to move towards black coffee.
What's wrong with artificial sweeteners though?
Do your research people! Please and thank you
Hello pot!7 -
Thanks for all the perceptions of artificial sweeteners and sugar! I’m sure the poster with the original question is very confused by now. As for me I’ll keep away from artificial sweeteners and zero calorie carbonated drinks that bloat you! And adding extra unwanted calories from sugar and cream, and continue to make gains and be healthy. Have a great day!
If OP is confused (I think perhaps she can read and understand better than that!), then it's probably because a number of people didn't take the advice in this thread title: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10627407/don-t-believe-everything-you-hear-or-read#latest
(I mean those claiming that diet soda causes weight gain.)9 -
I've lost 63lb in 152 days, drank coffee (black, no sugar, several cups) and Coke Zero (at least a litre) every day. Only time I drink plain water is taking pills, before, during and after workout. Or if really thirsty in summer maybe
Yeah it may not be optimal healthwise but the damage it does is piffle compared to the health benefit of dropping the weight which is enormous i.e will extend my life by 10 years or something0 -
:laugh: Oh, the irony....3
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Iwantahealthierme30 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »Iwantahealthierme30 wrote: »Depends how much diet coke you're drinking. If it's everyday give up diet coke. If it's like once a week than you don't have to give it up.
Sounds a bit arbitrary to me. Why is one bad and the other OK? Where exactly is the "line" because you seem to be drawing one and I'd like to understand where it is.
Aspartame isn't good for you and diet drinks cause you to look for sugar elsewhere so it would hinder weight loss.
Diet drinks actually curb my cravings for sweets and temper my appetite. So . . .10 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Also, check your creamer ingredients. Many of the flavored ones are non-dairy, meaning it’s mostly water and sugar (usually high fructose corn syrup). I almost died when I actually looked at ingredients. You can buy organic half and half that is only milk and cream.
So you'd been consuming it for a while without feeling any ill effects and you almost died when you noticed what was in it?
Maybe the problem isn't with the ingredients but with your perception of them.
Nope, not perception. Not anything noticeable alone, but it was only one bit of the artificial fake food to be cut out...and after getting rid of all of it, yes, felt much better.
Nobody is going to die if they put a tiny bit of crap in their diet. But why be so angry about someone suggesting to be aware of it? I’m not some whole, clean food zealot...I don’t care what other people choose to eat/drink. Eating whole, natural, organic foods will never be bad. Why eat fake sugar if you need or want to?
Actually I used to be on the organic bandwagon until I couldn't afford it anymore, and until I realized that the USDA does not really check up on companies who claim to be organic - and I was throwing a lot of money away for a pricey label.
I have actually felt much better physically every time I controlled my calorie intake, made sure I was adequately hydrated, increased exercise, all while paying attention to my nutrients: eating enough protein, fat, fiber, calcium, etc....without worrying about organic vs. non-organic. I eat/drink things that taste good to me - I'm not hyped up about "fake this" or "fake that." I eat a LOT of Lean Cuisines and other "processed" foods.
I personally don't eat artificially sweetened food because I hate the taste of it - I do not think there is anything wrong with it though. Most of the sources I have seen of the "stay away from scary processed or artificially sweetened foods" are from Practitioners of Woo.
If you feel good eating lean cuisines, then do that. The sodium content alone in those meals makes me feel awful.
I don't eat Lean Cuisines, but I pulled up the nutrition information for one at random and found that it has 600 mg of sodium (https://www.leancuisine.com/products/details/3). That's the amount in about 2 pickle spears (http://www.cookinglight.com/eating-smart/nutrition-101/how-much-salt-is-in-a-pickle) or two 100 g servings of cottage cheese or 100 calories of olives, all foods I can eat happily. It's also the amount in about one-third of a teaspoon of kosher salt. So if that really makes you feel awful, probably you are unusually sensitive to salt.
I personally like cooking lots of vegetables and such as part of a meal (so do many people who occasionally eat Lean Cuisines, I'd bet), but I often toss a pinch of salt on them when cooking. So I guess that's bad too.
I am. I rarely use it when cooking, and hear complaints from the family. Deli meats and cheeses also can bother me. For a while I thought it could be MSG sensitive, but not every food I ate with MSG had same effect. MSG is almost as prevalent as sodium in packaged foods. I just know high sodium foods and I don’t always get along.0 -
Ryansworld84 wrote: »The reason I took the extreme position was this:RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »
I don't drink any water except in my diet coke/tea/coffee
Your body needs hydration, it is personal preference how you do that.
I took that as “I never drink water and you dont need to ever drink water”.
This seems to be a very polarizing topic! I will deff do some reading about it for my own benefit.
@Ryansworld84
I will grant you that is an extreme and suboptimal position, but many people do things every day that are suboptimal. Financing a car, not saving for retirement before age 40, etc.
I would certainly recommend against drinking diet cola(not to be confused with soda) as one's only hydration source, as there are risks to enamel and calcium as well as increased chances of aggravating reflux, etc. But on the risk scale, it ranks somewhere below walking across the street and driving on the freeway. It's an avoidable risk, but is unlikely to be a primary cause of death.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Also, check your creamer ingredients. Many of the flavored ones are non-dairy, meaning it’s mostly water and sugar (usually high fructose corn syrup). I almost died when I actually looked at ingredients. You can buy organic half and half that is only milk and cream.
So you'd been consuming it for a while without feeling any ill effects and you almost died when you noticed what was in it?
Maybe the problem isn't with the ingredients but with your perception of them.
Nope, not perception. Not anything noticeable alone, but it was only one bit of the artificial fake food to be cut out...and after getting rid of all of it, yes, felt much better.
Nobody is going to die if they put a tiny bit of crap in their diet. But why be so angry about someone suggesting to be aware of it? I’m not some whole, clean food zealot...I don’t care what other people choose to eat/drink. Eating whole, natural, organic foods will never be bad. Why eat fake sugar if you need or want to?
Actually I used to be on the organic bandwagon until I couldn't afford it anymore, and until I realized that the USDA does not really check up on companies who claim to be organic - and I was throwing a lot of money away for a pricey label.
I have actually felt much better physically every time I controlled my calorie intake, made sure I was adequately hydrated, increased exercise, all while paying attention to my nutrients: eating enough protein, fat, fiber, calcium, etc....without worrying about organic vs. non-organic. I eat/drink things that taste good to me - I'm not hyped up about "fake this" or "fake that." I eat a LOT of Lean Cuisines and other "processed" foods.
I personally don't eat artificially sweetened food because I hate the taste of it - I do not think there is anything wrong with it though. Most of the sources I have seen of the "stay away from scary processed or artificially sweetened foods" are from Practitioners of Woo.
If you feel good eating lean cuisines, then do that. The sodium content alone in those meals makes me feel awful. I can also eat a larger volume of food if I simply eat quality proteins and roasted fresh veggies. For me, the taste of freshly prepared far exceeds any prepackaged meal. But me saying that doesn’t mean I’m attacking those whose make different food choices.
I hear you on the organic. If I stick to seasonal fruits/veggies, the expense isn’t very noticeable to overall budget. I will always be a proponent for eating whole and fresh over packaged, but that doesn’t mean I’m criticizing others food choice. I don’t buy everything organic.
I only read OP and not the thread until I started getting quoted. I had no idea there was a debate on here. Why is paying attention to what you put in your body ever a bad thing?
And sodium has very little effect on me, and I rarely go "over" the daily recommended on MFP by very much. Everyone's different which is why it's not a good idea to make blanket statements about things3 -
Thanks for all the perceptions of artificial sweeteners and sugar! I’m sure the poster with the original question is very confused by now. As for me I’ll keep away from artificial sweeteners and zero calorie carbonated drinks that bloat you! And adding extra unwanted calories from sugar and cream, and continue to make gains and be healthy. Have a great day!
Yes, it does tend to confuse OP's when people throw around pseudoscience and mistake their personal preferences or responses to foods for universal reactions.
People who bloat when they drink carbonated beverages may want to avoid them. The rest of us don't need to avoid them because other people bloat.15 -
Thanks for all the perceptions of artificial sweeteners and sugar! I’m sure the poster with the original question is very confused by now. As for me I’ll keep away from artificial sweeteners and zero calorie carbonated drinks that bloat you! And adding extra unwanted calories from sugar and cream, and continue to make gains and be healthy. Have a great day!
Just curious, what’s your beef with science? Don’t want to consume these things, fine. No one is saying your preference is not okay. We just don’t appreciate misinformation passed on that isn’t based on facts or legitimate scientific studies.
Believe me, it was jarring for me too when I learned most of what is advertised/preached was woo. But it doesn’t make it right.
Why are people so afraid to be wrong? Read the research, it’s enlightening.27 -
Thanks for all the perceptions of artificial sweeteners and sugar! I’m sure the poster with the original question is very confused by now. As for me I’ll keep away from artificial sweeteners and zero calorie carbonated drinks that bloat you! And adding extra unwanted calories from sugar and cream, and continue to make gains and be healthy. Have a great day!
Just curious, what’s your beef with science? Don’t want to consume these things, fine. No one is saying your preference is not okay. We just don’t appreciate misinformation passed on that isn’t based on facts or legitimate scientific studies.
Believe me, it was jarring for me too when I learned most of what is advertised/preached was woo. But it doesn’t make it right.
Why are people so afraid to be wrong? Read the research, it’s enlightening.
I like you, @DmaMfz.8 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Thanks for all the perceptions of artificial sweeteners and sugar! I’m sure the poster with the original question is very confused by now. As for me I’ll keep away from artificial sweeteners and zero calorie carbonated drinks that bloat you! And adding extra unwanted calories from sugar and cream, and continue to make gains and be healthy. Have a great day!
Yes, it does tend to confuse OP's when people throw around pseudoscience and mistake their personal preferences or responses to foods for universal reactions.
People who bloat when they drink carbonated beverages may want to avoid them. The rest of us don't need to avoid them because other people bloat.
Phenylketonurics should avoid them. Thankfully, I'm not phenylketonuric (and it's a very rare disorder), so I'm not worried. The advice that applies to people with that particular disorder is completely irrelevant to everybody else who doesn't have it.5 -
I also never said salt is bad per se. But 600mg is almost half of daily IDEAL recommended sodium intake just on one meal. That’s ALOT of sodium in one meal considering you have two meals and possibly 1-2 snacks to eat, plus what may be in your beverages etc. It’s not recommended to exceed 2300 mg salt per day, but 1500mg is considered ideal. If a person eats snack bars, soft drinks, pretty much anything packaged, sodium adds up quickly.10
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RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Does that really say what is your metabolism type?
I need to go to bed until February.
The ad at the bottom of the screen in the screenshot says all that needs to be said about the "source". May as well be quoting the National Enquirer or Weekly World News as a scientific reference, lol.
Just found it - it's on MensHealth. Same text/highlighting. So, yeah - it can safely be ignored.
eta:lemurcat12 wrote: »Thanks for all the perceptions of artificial sweeteners and sugar! I’m sure the poster with the original question is very confused by now. As for me I’ll keep away from artificial sweeteners and zero calorie carbonated drinks that bloat you! And adding extra unwanted calories from sugar and cream, and continue to make gains and be healthy. Have a great day!
If OP is confused (I think perhaps she can read and understand better than that!), then it's probably because a number of people didn't take the advice in this thread title: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10627407/don-t-believe-everything-you-hear-or-read#latest
(I mean those claiming that diet soda causes weight gain.)
So, yeah.10 -
I also never said salt is bad per se. But 600mg is almost half of daily IDEAL recommended sodium intake just on one meal. That’s ALOT of sodium in one meal considering you have two meals and possibly 1-2 snacks to eat, plus what may be in your beverages etc. It’s not recommended to exceed 2300 mg salt per day, but 1500mg is considered ideal. If a person eats snack bars, soft drinks, pretty much anything packaged, sodium adds up quickly.
This is another diet woo myth that gets passed around and won't ever die. Have you ever actually read the nutrition label on a soft drink can to see what the sodium content is?
(Hint: about the same amount as a glass of tap water)18 -
I also never said salt is bad per se. But 600mg is almost half of daily IDEAL recommended sodium intake just on one meal. That’s ALOT of sodium in one meal considering you have two meals and possibly 1-2 snacks to eat, plus what may be in your beverages etc. It’s not recommended to exceed 2300 mg salt per day, but 1500mg is considered ideal. If a person eats snack bars, soft drinks, pretty much anything packaged, sodium adds up quickly.
So people who want to limit themselves to less than 600 mg per meal will probably want to avoid them. Again, what's the big deal for everyone else? There are tons of higher sodium foods in the world, picking on just a handful of them doesn't really make sense.
Olives have a lot of sodium. People who are monitoring that need to keep that in mind. But if someone mentions eating some olives, it's rarer to see people react like they do when a darn Lean Cuisine is brought up.9 -
I also never said salt is bad per se. But 600mg is almost half of daily IDEAL recommended sodium intake just on one meal. That’s ALOT of sodium in one meal considering you have two meals and possibly 1-2 snacks to eat, plus what may be in your beverages etc. It’s not recommended to exceed 2300 mg salt per day, but 1500mg is considered ideal. If a person eats snack bars, soft drinks, pretty much anything packaged, sodium adds up quickly.
This is another diet woo myth that gets passed around and won't ever die. Have you ever actually read the nutrition label on a soft drink can to see what the sodium content is?
(Hint: about the same amount as a glass of tap water)
You have the most helpful hints, @AnvilHead. :flowerforyou:6 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Thanks for all the perceptions of artificial sweeteners and sugar! I’m sure the poster with the original question is very confused by now. As for me I’ll keep away from artificial sweeteners and zero calorie carbonated drinks that bloat you! And adding extra unwanted calories from sugar and cream, and continue to make gains and be healthy. Have a great day!
If OP is confused (I think perhaps she can read and understand better than that!), then it's probably because a number of people didn't take the advice in this thread title: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10627407/don-t-believe-everything-you-hear-or-read#latest
(I mean those claiming that diet soda causes weight gain.)
I clicked on the link... Boy was I shocked.5 -
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