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Cutting out coffee or diet coke
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Carlos_421 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »Ryansworld84 wrote: »My advice is to give up diet coke as it is unhealthy even if it is 0 calories. And keep coffee but with a change: learn to like black coffee (nothing added). If you slowly over time cut it down and make good quality coffee (not folgers) you can learn to love the taste of black coffee! I limit my diet pops a lot, on occasion I may have one but that is where it stops at one. I dont keep any in the house and if I do go get one its just one serving not a case or 2 liter.
If your goal is weight loss limit your liquid calories which also includes juice! Most Juice is just pop without the fizz. If you want orange juice, eat an orange is what I always say.
Hope this helps, and dont forget its not off limits forever, just limit yourself. Maybe if you a great week Mon-Friday and on saturday you want a mochachochalala coffee drink, get one but have limits and make it a rare treat.
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
They are still researching the effects of aspartame on our bodies, but one concern is it can lead to insulin resistance and weight gain.
Honestly, I feel better drinking water or black tea over any soda. Even if diet soda isn’t harmful it certainly wouldn’t qualify as healthy. At least coffee has antioxidants.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diabetes/ask-the-doctor-do-artificial-sweeteners-cause-insulin-resistance
That is not a concern.
Aspartame has been well studied over the past forty years and we know exactly how it is broken down in the body. There is zero risk of it causing insulin resistance or weight gain.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary
No offense, but I take medical advice from my physician, not some stranger on the internet. And perhaps you’re correct and I should find a new MD, but that doesn’t make Diet Coke or any soda healthy. I stand by my opinion that black coffee is the better option.
I doubt anyone is offended.
But This section is the debate section.
If you want your point of view to have any credibility, you need to show more than that old default - well my Dr says so and he must know more than you.
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Carlos_421 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »Ryansworld84 wrote: »My advice is to give up diet coke as it is unhealthy even if it is 0 calories. And keep coffee but with a change: learn to like black coffee (nothing added). If you slowly over time cut it down and make good quality coffee (not folgers) you can learn to love the taste of black coffee! I limit my diet pops a lot, on occasion I may have one but that is where it stops at one. I dont keep any in the house and if I do go get one its just one serving not a case or 2 liter.
If your goal is weight loss limit your liquid calories which also includes juice! Most Juice is just pop without the fizz. If you want orange juice, eat an orange is what I always say.
Hope this helps, and dont forget its not off limits forever, just limit yourself. Maybe if you a great week Mon-Friday and on saturday you want a mochachochalala coffee drink, get one but have limits and make it a rare treat.
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
They are still researching the effects of aspartame on our bodies, but one concern is it can lead to insulin resistance and weight gain.
Honestly, I feel better drinking water or black tea over any soda. Even if diet soda isn’t harmful it certainly wouldn’t qualify as healthy. At least coffee has antioxidants.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diabetes/ask-the-doctor-do-artificial-sweeteners-cause-insulin-resistance
That is not a concern.
Aspartame has been well studied over the past forty years and we know exactly how it is broken down in the body. There is zero risk of it causing insulin resistance or weight gain.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary
No offense, but I take medical advice from my physician, not some stranger on the internet. And perhaps you’re correct and I should find a new MD, but that doesn’t make Diet Coke or any soda healthy. I stand by my opinion that black coffee is the better option.
I can almost guarantee you that that stranger (who has a PhD in a relevant field) has more knowledge about how aspartame works than your doctor.18 -
paperpudding wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »Ryansworld84 wrote: »My advice is to give up diet coke as it is unhealthy even if it is 0 calories. And keep coffee but with a change: learn to like black coffee (nothing added). If you slowly over time cut it down and make good quality coffee (not folgers) you can learn to love the taste of black coffee! I limit my diet pops a lot, on occasion I may have one but that is where it stops at one. I dont keep any in the house and if I do go get one its just one serving not a case or 2 liter.
If your goal is weight loss limit your liquid calories which also includes juice! Most Juice is just pop without the fizz. If you want orange juice, eat an orange is what I always say.
Hope this helps, and dont forget its not off limits forever, just limit yourself. Maybe if you a great week Mon-Friday and on saturday you want a mochachochalala coffee drink, get one but have limits and make it a rare treat.
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
They are still researching the effects of aspartame on our bodies, but one concern is it can lead to insulin resistance and weight gain.
Honestly, I feel better drinking water or black tea over any soda. Even if diet soda isn’t harmful it certainly wouldn’t qualify as healthy. At least coffee has antioxidants.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diabetes/ask-the-doctor-do-artificial-sweeteners-cause-insulin-resistance
That is not a concern.
Aspartame has been well studied over the past forty years and we know exactly how it is broken down in the body. There is zero risk of it causing insulin resistance or weight gain.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary
No offense, but I take medical advice from my physician, not some stranger on the internet. And perhaps you’re correct and I should find a new MD, but that doesn’t make Diet Coke or any soda healthy. I stand by my opinion that black coffee is the better option.
I doubt anyone is offended.
But This section is the debate section.
If you want your point of view to have any credibility, you need to show more than that old default - well my Dr says so and he must know more than you.
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/36/9/2530
This study was on sucralose not aspartame. So more relevant to Diet Pepsi drinkers, not Diet Coke.
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stevencloser wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »Ryansworld84 wrote: »My advice is to give up diet coke as it is unhealthy even if it is 0 calories. And keep coffee but with a change: learn to like black coffee (nothing added). If you slowly over time cut it down and make good quality coffee (not folgers) you can learn to love the taste of black coffee! I limit my diet pops a lot, on occasion I may have one but that is where it stops at one. I dont keep any in the house and if I do go get one its just one serving not a case or 2 liter.
If your goal is weight loss limit your liquid calories which also includes juice! Most Juice is just pop without the fizz. If you want orange juice, eat an orange is what I always say.
Hope this helps, and dont forget its not off limits forever, just limit yourself. Maybe if you a great week Mon-Friday and on saturday you want a mochachochalala coffee drink, get one but have limits and make it a rare treat.
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
They are still researching the effects of aspartame on our bodies, but one concern is it can lead to insulin resistance and weight gain.
Honestly, I feel better drinking water or black tea over any soda. Even if diet soda isn’t harmful it certainly wouldn’t qualify as healthy. At least coffee has antioxidants.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diabetes/ask-the-doctor-do-artificial-sweeteners-cause-insulin-resistance
That is not a concern.
Aspartame has been well studied over the past forty years and we know exactly how it is broken down in the body. There is zero risk of it causing insulin resistance or weight gain.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary
No offense, but I take medical advice from my physician, not some stranger on the internet. And perhaps you’re correct and I should find a new MD, but that doesn’t make Diet Coke or any soda healthy. I stand by my opinion that black coffee is the better option.
I can almost guarantee you that that stranger (who has a PhD in a relevant field) has more knowledge about how aspartame works than your doctor.
Alright, then enlighten me. How is diet soda a healthier choice than black coffee?12 -
stevencloser wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »Ryansworld84 wrote: »My advice is to give up diet coke as it is unhealthy even if it is 0 calories. And keep coffee but with a change: learn to like black coffee (nothing added). If you slowly over time cut it down and make good quality coffee (not folgers) you can learn to love the taste of black coffee! I limit my diet pops a lot, on occasion I may have one but that is where it stops at one. I dont keep any in the house and if I do go get one its just one serving not a case or 2 liter.
If your goal is weight loss limit your liquid calories which also includes juice! Most Juice is just pop without the fizz. If you want orange juice, eat an orange is what I always say.
Hope this helps, and dont forget its not off limits forever, just limit yourself. Maybe if you a great week Mon-Friday and on saturday you want a mochachochalala coffee drink, get one but have limits and make it a rare treat.
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
They are still researching the effects of aspartame on our bodies, but one concern is it can lead to insulin resistance and weight gain.
Honestly, I feel better drinking water or black tea over any soda. Even if diet soda isn’t harmful it certainly wouldn’t qualify as healthy. At least coffee has antioxidants.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diabetes/ask-the-doctor-do-artificial-sweeteners-cause-insulin-resistance
That is not a concern.
Aspartame has been well studied over the past forty years and we know exactly how it is broken down in the body. There is zero risk of it causing insulin resistance or weight gain.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary
No offense, but I take medical advice from my physician, not some stranger on the internet. And perhaps you’re correct and I should find a new MD, but that doesn’t make Diet Coke or any soda healthy. I stand by my opinion that black coffee is the better option.
I can almost guarantee you that that stranger (who has a PhD in a relevant field) has more knowledge about how aspartame works than your doctor.
Alright, then enlighten me. How is diet soda a healthier choice than black coffee?
How is it less healthy? You know there's things that are neutral, right?12 -
stevencloser wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »Ryansworld84 wrote: »My advice is to give up diet coke as it is unhealthy even if it is 0 calories. And keep coffee but with a change: learn to like black coffee (nothing added). If you slowly over time cut it down and make good quality coffee (not folgers) you can learn to love the taste of black coffee! I limit my diet pops a lot, on occasion I may have one but that is where it stops at one. I dont keep any in the house and if I do go get one its just one serving not a case or 2 liter.
If your goal is weight loss limit your liquid calories which also includes juice! Most Juice is just pop without the fizz. If you want orange juice, eat an orange is what I always say.
Hope this helps, and dont forget its not off limits forever, just limit yourself. Maybe if you a great week Mon-Friday and on saturday you want a mochachochalala coffee drink, get one but have limits and make it a rare treat.
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
They are still researching the effects of aspartame on our bodies, but one concern is it can lead to insulin resistance and weight gain.
Honestly, I feel better drinking water or black tea over any soda. Even if diet soda isn’t harmful it certainly wouldn’t qualify as healthy. At least coffee has antioxidants.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diabetes/ask-the-doctor-do-artificial-sweeteners-cause-insulin-resistance
That is not a concern.
Aspartame has been well studied over the past forty years and we know exactly how it is broken down in the body. There is zero risk of it causing insulin resistance or weight gain.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary
No offense, but I take medical advice from my physician, not some stranger on the internet. And perhaps you’re correct and I should find a new MD, but that doesn’t make Diet Coke or any soda healthy. I stand by my opinion that black coffee is the better option.
I can almost guarantee you that that stranger (who has a PhD in a relevant field) has more knowledge about how aspartame works than your doctor.
Alright, then enlighten me. How is diet soda a healthier choice than black coffee?
And wouldn’t water, or kombucha, or fresh squeezed kale juice be a healthier choice than black coffee?
There’s always going to be a healthier/better choice of what to consume - how to live your life - how to spend your money.... if you always strive for optimal, no one would ever buy a frivolous pair of shoes because wouldn’t it be better to save that money? No one would ever get ice cream with their kids on a hot summer day because isn’t a banana healthier than ice cream? What kind of life doesn’t include fun shoes and ice cream on occasion?
Life is about balance and finding a combination of things that improve your overall health and quality of life and that includes mental health and personal enjoyment. Not everything has to add health benefits in order to justify consuming it. Diet soda has proved time and again to be safe for consumption. It doesn’t have calories so it is “better” on that front than an alternative calorie laden beverage if someone is trying to restrict calories. Even compared to black coffee, if a person enjoys diet soda and it isn’t harmful, why shouldn’t they choose diet soda?
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Since I hate coffee and love sodas, it’s Diet Pepsi for the win. Triple score for being diabetic.
Coffee has many times the amount of caffeine and if I drank that vile stuff I’d be up all night. Besides the water doesn’t sizzle.4 -
stevencloser wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »Ryansworld84 wrote: »My advice is to give up diet coke as it is unhealthy even if it is 0 calories. And keep coffee but with a change: learn to like black coffee (nothing added). If you slowly over time cut it down and make good quality coffee (not folgers) you can learn to love the taste of black coffee! I limit my diet pops a lot, on occasion I may have one but that is where it stops at one. I dont keep any in the house and if I do go get one its just one serving not a case or 2 liter.
If your goal is weight loss limit your liquid calories which also includes juice! Most Juice is just pop without the fizz. If you want orange juice, eat an orange is what I always say.
Hope this helps, and dont forget its not off limits forever, just limit yourself. Maybe if you a great week Mon-Friday and on saturday you want a mochachochalala coffee drink, get one but have limits and make it a rare treat.
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
They are still researching the effects of aspartame on our bodies, but one concern is it can lead to insulin resistance and weight gain.
Honestly, I feel better drinking water or black tea over any soda. Even if diet soda isn’t harmful it certainly wouldn’t qualify as healthy. At least coffee has antioxidants.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diabetes/ask-the-doctor-do-artificial-sweeteners-cause-insulin-resistance
That is not a concern.
Aspartame has been well studied over the past forty years and we know exactly how it is broken down in the body. There is zero risk of it causing insulin resistance or weight gain.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary
No offense, but I take medical advice from my physician, not some stranger on the internet. And perhaps you’re correct and I should find a new MD, but that doesn’t make Diet Coke or any soda healthy. I stand by my opinion that black coffee is the better option.
I can almost guarantee you that that stranger (who has a PhD in a relevant field) has more knowledge about how aspartame works than your doctor.
Alright, then enlighten me. How is diet soda a healthier choice than black coffee?
My doctor has actually gotten after me about coffee-it has a lot of caffeine in it, compared to a can of diet soda. When I go in for my annual there's a form I have to fill out and it asks you how much coffee, tea, soda you drink every day (you assign a number by each). I always get comments about my cups of daily coffee but he's never said anything about my cans of daily diet soda (also, for what it's worth-my doctor is an MD who came from a sports medicine/nutrition background, before switching over to general practice, so he's had more nutrition education than the typical MD).5 -
Frankly I don't give a "Hoover Dam" about the studies, one week "they" say something will kill you, then another week it's good for you. If I like it, I'll eat it or drink it. Life is to dang short to worry about what may or may not kill us, or what may be bad for us.
I stopped drinking soda, diet or otherwise on a regular basis unless it has rum in it, just because I felt like doing so. But coffee is my life blood and I will only give it up when I'm dead.
I suppose the main point should be, "all things in moderation."
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Frankly I don't give a "Hoover Dam" about the studies, one week "they" say something will kill you, then another week it's good for you. If I like it, I'll eat it or drink it. Life is to dang short to worry about what may or may not kill us, or what may be bad for us.
I stopped drinking soda, diet or otherwise on a regular basis unless it has rum in it, just because I felt like doing so. But coffee is my life blood and I will only give it up when I'm dead.
I suppose the main point should be, "all things in moderation."
Well no...studies rarely if ever show or state such broad strokes. This is the part of science journalism that pushes ideas well beyond the body of evidence to support confirmation bias or push an agenda. This is true for most scientific studies, all of which are far closer to "all things in moderation" than "you will die if you drink coffee".
...this message sponsored by Black Rifle Coffee.8 -
stevencloser wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »ladyhusker39 wrote: »Ryansworld84 wrote: »My advice is to give up diet coke as it is unhealthy even if it is 0 calories. And keep coffee but with a change: learn to like black coffee (nothing added). If you slowly over time cut it down and make good quality coffee (not folgers) you can learn to love the taste of black coffee! I limit my diet pops a lot, on occasion I may have one but that is where it stops at one. I dont keep any in the house and if I do go get one its just one serving not a case or 2 liter.
If your goal is weight loss limit your liquid calories which also includes juice! Most Juice is just pop without the fizz. If you want orange juice, eat an orange is what I always say.
Hope this helps, and dont forget its not off limits forever, just limit yourself. Maybe if you a great week Mon-Friday and on saturday you want a mochachochalala coffee drink, get one but have limits and make it a rare treat.
And why is Diet Coke unhealthy?
They are still researching the effects of aspartame on our bodies, but one concern is it can lead to insulin resistance and weight gain.
Honestly, I feel better drinking water or black tea over any soda. Even if diet soda isn’t harmful it certainly wouldn’t qualify as healthy. At least coffee has antioxidants.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diabetes/ask-the-doctor-do-artificial-sweeteners-cause-insulin-resistance
That is not a concern.
Aspartame has been well studied over the past forty years and we know exactly how it is broken down in the body. There is zero risk of it causing insulin resistance or weight gain.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary
No offense, but I take medical advice from my physician, not some stranger on the internet. And perhaps you’re correct and I should find a new MD, but that doesn’t make Diet Coke or any soda healthy. I stand by my opinion that black coffee is the better option.
I can almost guarantee you that that stranger (who has a PhD in a relevant field) has more knowledge about how aspartame works than your doctor.
Alright, then enlighten me. How is diet soda a healthier choice than black coffee?
It's not. Nor is it less healthy.
And unless I get to the point where I'm drinking liters of one or the other every day, it really doesn't matter.5 -
Frankly I don't give a "Hoover Dam" about the studies, one week "they" say something will kill you, then another week it's good for you. If I like it, I'll eat it or drink it. Life is to dang short to worry about what may or may not kill us, or what may be bad for us.
I stopped drinking soda, diet or otherwise on a regular basis unless it has rum in it, just because I felt like doing so. But coffee is my life blood and I will only give it up when I'm dead.
I suppose the main point should be, "all things in moderation."
Well no...studies rarely if ever show or state such broad strokes. This is the part of science journalism that pushes ideas well beyond the body of evidence to support confirmation bias or push an agenda. This is true for most scientific studies, all of which are far closer to "all things in moderation" than "you will die if you drink coffee".
...this message sponsored by Black Rifle Coffee.
Well again, I don't give a crap about studies regardless of who did it or what is says. I drink and eat what I want when I want. I even eat egg yokes. OMG!!!
This message sponsored by I give a crap foundation.8 -
<----body by beer over there. Don't drink that (in excess) if you want to be fit. That is another topic, though.
Water is better than either as it has nothing that is "bad" for you. Both have caffeine which "bad" for you. Diet Soda has a whole bunch of other chemicals that are "bad" for you.
Talking about minute amounts, though. To any normal person that isn't downing several POTS of coffee or CASES of diet soda a day, go ahead and drink whatever you prefer. There isn't enough "bad" in either coffee or diet soda to make a difference.
Still should shoot for a couple glasses of plain ol' water a day, though. I can't imagine only drinking caffeinated drinks all day. How would you go to sleep?17 -
Scottgriesser wrote: »<----body by beer over there. Don't drink that (in excess) if you want to be fit. That is another topic, though.
Water is better than either as it has nothing that is "bad" for you. Both have caffeine which "bad" for you. Diet Soda has a whole bunch of other chemicals that are "bad" for you.
How are caffeine and diet soda "bad" for you. Be specific, and preferably cite sources.Scottgriesser wrote: »Talking about minute amounts, though. To any normal person that isn't downing several POTS of coffee or CASES of diet soda a day, go ahead and drink whatever you prefer. There isn't enough "bad" in either coffee or diet soda to make a difference.
Still should shoot for a couple glasses of plain ol' water a day, though. I can't imagine only drinking caffeinated drinks all day. How would you go to sleep?
Oh, and, Like a baby. Until I hit 30.2 -
Me not having caffeine is bad for everybody around me.10
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Scottgriesser wrote: »<----body by beer over there. Don't drink that (in excess) if you want to be fit. That is another topic, though.
Water is better than either as it has nothing that is "bad" for you. Both have caffeine which "bad" for you. Diet Soda has a whole bunch of other chemicals that are "bad" for you.
Talking about minute amounts, though. To any normal person that isn't downing several POTS of coffee or CASES of diet soda a day, go ahead and drink whatever you prefer. There isn't enough "bad" in either coffee or diet soda to make a difference.
Still should shoot for a couple glasses of plain ol' water a day, though. I can't imagine only drinking caffeinated drinks all day. How would you go to sleep?
Guess how I know you didn't read any of this thread, or the original, before responding.6 -
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stanmann571 wrote: »Scottgriesser wrote: »<----body by beer over there. Don't drink that (in excess) if you want to be fit. That is another topic, though.
Water is better than either as it has nothing that is "bad" for you. Both have caffeine which "bad" for you. Diet Soda has a whole bunch of other chemicals that are "bad" for you.
How are caffeine and diet soda "bad" for you. Be specific, and preferably cite sources.Scottgriesser wrote: »Talking about minute amounts, though. To any normal person that isn't downing several POTS of coffee or CASES of diet soda a day, go ahead and drink whatever you prefer. There isn't enough "bad" in either coffee or diet soda to make a difference.
Still should shoot for a couple glasses of plain ol' water a day, though. I can't imagine only drinking caffeinated drinks all day. How would you go to sleep?
Oh, and, Like a baby. Until I hit 30.
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stanmann571 wrote: »Scottgriesser wrote: »<----body by beer over there. Don't drink that (in excess) if you want to be fit. That is another topic, though.
Water is better than either as it has nothing that is "bad" for you. Both have caffeine which "bad" for you. Diet Soda has a whole bunch of other chemicals that are "bad" for you.
How are caffeine and diet soda "bad" for you. Be specific, and preferably cite sources.Scottgriesser wrote: »Talking about minute amounts, though. To any normal person that isn't downing several POTS of coffee or CASES of diet soda a day, go ahead and drink whatever you prefer. There isn't enough "bad" in either coffee or diet soda to make a difference.
Still should shoot for a couple glasses of plain ol' water a day, though. I can't imagine only drinking caffeinated drinks all day. How would you go to sleep?
Oh, and, Like a baby. Until I hit 30.
still like a baby
Don't get me wrong, I can still chug a mt dew and go right to sleep, but the sleep won't be quite as good.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Scottgriesser wrote: »<----body by beer over there. Don't drink that (in excess) if you want to be fit. That is another topic, though.
Water is better than either as it has nothing that is "bad" for you. Both have caffeine which "bad" for you. Diet Soda has a whole bunch of other chemicals that are "bad" for you.
How are caffeine and diet soda "bad" for you. Be specific, and preferably cite sources.Scottgriesser wrote: »Talking about minute amounts, though. To any normal person that isn't downing several POTS of coffee or CASES of diet soda a day, go ahead and drink whatever you prefer. There isn't enough "bad" in either coffee or diet soda to make a difference.
Still should shoot for a couple glasses of plain ol' water a day, though. I can't imagine only drinking caffeinated drinks all day. How would you go to sleep?
Oh, and, Like a baby. Until I hit 30.
still like a baby
You wake up every 2 hours screaming, with a load in your pants?8
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