Losing weight and gaining Muscle
Options
Replies
-
GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
Well you gain weight eating too many calories of any food over your TDEE. So this is a mute point.
And a person does have muscle mass at their current weight, and he can build additional muscle currently while in a calorie deficit up to a point. So he does not need to do anything to delay weight loss.
There are too many variables. What if by chance OP is a shorter person who is in obese category at his height and should start cutting weight for his health? Anyway, this does not help OP in any way and the advice given still stands.
Well in that case being health reasons, that's completely different. His goal is to lose weight and gain muscle. I can guarantee if he just went in on a deficit and counting calories, he'd be much weaker.. yeah he may gain some muscle because he's a newbie, but if he weren't in a deficit, he'd be stronger, he'd lift more weight which tears them muscle fibers more than light weight. Ate a *kitten* tone of healthy nutritional foods to repair them baby muscles... I just think a lean bulk is ideal for beginners, rather then jumping right into counting calories and being in a deficit with little muscle mass as it is
Wait, you want a 250 lb guy who wants to lose 50 lbs to do a lean bulk??? And why would he end up weaker eating at a modest deficit? And is "baby muscles" a technical term?
I want this 250lb guy to eat more nutritional food and cut the garbage food out, and not worry about counting calories as a beginner. I want him to worry about making better choices in the kitchen and putting in the work at the gym, so when he does decide to cut the weight, he doesn't look like a noodle with lose skin.
I want lots of things as well.6 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
You claim to have studied nutrition, so you know about p-ratio, right? And you understand what effect it has on an already overweight/overfat individual trying to bulk, as opposed to doing it when they're leaner, right?
I'm sure you know about that if you've studied nutrition.
A clean nutritional lean bulk is not detrimental to ones health, even if overweight or "obese" that's why healthy fat burning foods and vegetables are recommended in lean bulk diets.
Obesity is a health issue no matter the diet this advice is getting worse.
Eat a *kitten* ton of cleaner more nutritional food, cut out the garbage. Lose weight. Eat a *kitten* tone of *kitten* processed and fast food, die or be obese. Wanna get blunt? I mean it's simple
But you don't lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, regardless of what you're eating. Surely you learned that in your nutritional studies too. Didn't you? The most basic laws of energy balance? I'm sure they taught those in nutritional studies.
And you do understand the concepts of context and dosage, right? That's it's actually possible to eat a diet that is reasonably somewhere in between completely "clean" and shoveling junk food into your pie hole 24/7? You know, a little moderation and common sense? Middle ground?
Of course man, I'm not against cheat meals. I am against cheat days, but not cheat meals.
I'm all for eating in a way that I don't have to cheat.
Me, too! I made spaghetti with meat sauce and garlic bread fit in my calories and macros yesterday. It was glorious.
I had this too. Girl you are my food twin!!!
Steak on the smoker and baked sweet potato tonight. Still twinning, @roxiedawn?quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
You claim to have studied nutrition, so you know about p-ratio, right? And you understand what effect it has on an already overweight/overfat individual trying to bulk, as opposed to doing it when they're leaner, right?
I'm sure you know about that if you've studied nutrition.
A clean nutritional lean bulk is not detrimental to ones health, even if overweight or "obese" that's why healthy fat burning foods and vegetables are recommended in lean bulk diets.
Obesity is a health issue no matter the diet this advice is getting worse.
Eat a *kitten* ton of cleaner more nutritional food, cut out the garbage. Lose weight. Eat a *kitten* tone of *kitten* processed and fast food, die or be obese. Wanna get blunt? I mean it's simple
But you don't lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, regardless of what you're eating. Surely you learned that in your nutritional studies too. Didn't you? The most basic laws of energy balance? I'm sure they taught those in nutritional studies.
And you do understand the concepts of context and dosage, right? That's it's actually possible to eat a diet that is reasonably somewhere in between completely "clean" and shoveling junk food into your pie hole 24/7? You know, a little moderation and common sense? Middle ground?
Of course man, I'm not against cheat meals. I am against cheat days, but not cheat meals.
I'm all for eating in a way that I don't have to cheat.
Me, too! I made spaghetti with meat sauce and garlic bread fit in my calories and macros yesterday. It was glorious.
I had this too. Girl you are my food twin!!!
Steak on the smoker and baked sweet potato tonight. Still twinning, @roxiedawn?
Steak;s on Saturday's in my house.
Dinner tonight is chicken casadillia's, Mexican rice and yes refried beans. And I am topping off dessert with homemade m&m cookie sandwiches I made the other day with milk.
I am so not sorry. lol3 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
You claim to have studied nutrition, so you know about p-ratio, right? And you understand what effect it has on an already overweight/overfat individual trying to bulk, as opposed to doing it when they're leaner, right?
I'm sure you know about that if you've studied nutrition.
A clean nutritional lean bulk is not detrimental to ones health, even if overweight or "obese" that's why healthy fat burning foods and vegetables are recommended in lean bulk diets.
Obesity is a health issue no matter the diet this advice is getting worse.
Eat a *kitten* ton of cleaner more nutritional food, cut out the garbage. Lose weight. Eat a *kitten* tone of *kitten* processed and fast food, die or be obese. Wanna get blunt? I mean it's simple
But you don't lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, regardless of what you're eating. Surely you learned that in your nutritional studies too. Didn't you? The most basic laws of energy balance? I'm sure they taught those in nutritional studies.
And you do understand the concepts of context and dosage, right? That's it's actually possible to eat a diet that is reasonably somewhere in between completely "clean" and shoveling junk food into your pie hole 24/7? You know, a little moderation and common sense? Middle ground?
Of course man, I'm not against cheat meals. I am against cheat days, but not cheat meals.
I'm all for eating in a way that I don't have to cheat.
Me, too! I made spaghetti with meat sauce and garlic bread fit in my calories and macros yesterday. It was glorious.
I had this too. Girl you are my food twin!!!
Steak on the smoker and baked sweet potato tonight. Still twinning, @roxiedawn?quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
You claim to have studied nutrition, so you know about p-ratio, right? And you understand what effect it has on an already overweight/overfat individual trying to bulk, as opposed to doing it when they're leaner, right?
I'm sure you know about that if you've studied nutrition.
A clean nutritional lean bulk is not detrimental to ones health, even if overweight or "obese" that's why healthy fat burning foods and vegetables are recommended in lean bulk diets.
Obesity is a health issue no matter the diet this advice is getting worse.
Eat a *kitten* ton of cleaner more nutritional food, cut out the garbage. Lose weight. Eat a *kitten* tone of *kitten* processed and fast food, die or be obese. Wanna get blunt? I mean it's simple
But you don't lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, regardless of what you're eating. Surely you learned that in your nutritional studies too. Didn't you? The most basic laws of energy balance? I'm sure they taught those in nutritional studies.
And you do understand the concepts of context and dosage, right? That's it's actually possible to eat a diet that is reasonably somewhere in between completely "clean" and shoveling junk food into your pie hole 24/7? You know, a little moderation and common sense? Middle ground?
Of course man, I'm not against cheat meals. I am against cheat days, but not cheat meals.
I'm all for eating in a way that I don't have to cheat.
Me, too! I made spaghetti with meat sauce and garlic bread fit in my calories and macros yesterday. It was glorious.
I had this too. Girl you are my food twin!!!
Steak on the smoker and baked sweet potato tonight. Still twinning, @roxiedawn?
Steak;s on Saturday's in my house.
Dinner tonight is chicken casadillia's, Mexican rice and yes refried beans. And I am topping off dessert with homemade m&m cookie sandwiches I made the other day with milk.
I am so not sorry. lol
Oooh, yum. We normally do steaks on the weekend, but hubby's schedule just changed and he has to work Sat and Sun night.1 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
You claim to have studied nutrition, so you know about p-ratio, right? And you understand what effect it has on an already overweight/overfat individual trying to bulk, as opposed to doing it when they're leaner, right?
I'm sure you know about that if you've studied nutrition.
A clean nutritional lean bulk is not detrimental to ones health, even if overweight or "obese" that's why healthy fat burning foods and vegetables are recommended in lean bulk diets.
Obesity is a health issue no matter the diet this advice is getting worse.
Eat a *kitten* ton of cleaner more nutritional food, cut out the garbage. Lose weight. Eat a *kitten* tone of *kitten* processed and fast food, die or be obese. Wanna get blunt? I mean it's simple
But you don't lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, regardless of what you're eating. Surely you learned that in your nutritional studies too. Didn't you? The most basic laws of energy balance? I'm sure they taught those in nutritional studies.
And you do understand the concepts of context and dosage, right? That's it's actually possible to eat a diet that is reasonably somewhere in between completely "clean" and shoveling junk food into your pie hole 24/7? You know, a little moderation and common sense? Middle ground?
Of course man, I'm not against cheat meals. I am against cheat days, but not cheat meals.
I'm all for eating in a way that I don't have to cheat.
Me, too! I made spaghetti with meat sauce and garlic bread fit in my calories and macros yesterday. It was glorious.
I had this too. Girl you are my food twin!!!
Steak on the smoker and baked sweet potato tonight. Still twinning, @roxiedawn?quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
You claim to have studied nutrition, so you know about p-ratio, right? And you understand what effect it has on an already overweight/overfat individual trying to bulk, as opposed to doing it when they're leaner, right?
I'm sure you know about that if you've studied nutrition.
A clean nutritional lean bulk is not detrimental to ones health, even if overweight or "obese" that's why healthy fat burning foods and vegetables are recommended in lean bulk diets.
Obesity is a health issue no matter the diet this advice is getting worse.
Eat a *kitten* ton of cleaner more nutritional food, cut out the garbage. Lose weight. Eat a *kitten* tone of *kitten* processed and fast food, die or be obese. Wanna get blunt? I mean it's simple
But you don't lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, regardless of what you're eating. Surely you learned that in your nutritional studies too. Didn't you? The most basic laws of energy balance? I'm sure they taught those in nutritional studies.
And you do understand the concepts of context and dosage, right? That's it's actually possible to eat a diet that is reasonably somewhere in between completely "clean" and shoveling junk food into your pie hole 24/7? You know, a little moderation and common sense? Middle ground?
Of course man, I'm not against cheat meals. I am against cheat days, but not cheat meals.
I'm all for eating in a way that I don't have to cheat.
Me, too! I made spaghetti with meat sauce and garlic bread fit in my calories and macros yesterday. It was glorious.
I had this too. Girl you are my food twin!!!
Steak on the smoker and baked sweet potato tonight. Still twinning, @roxiedawn?
Steak;s on Saturday's in my house.
Dinner tonight is chicken casadillia's, Mexican rice and yes refried beans. And I am topping off dessert with homemade m&m cookie sandwiches I made the other day with milk.
I am so not sorry. lol
Oooh, yum. We normally do steaks on the weekend, but hubby's schedule just changed and he has to work Sat and Sun night.
I'll save you some and a cookie too.1 -
GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
Well you gain weight eating too many calories of any food over your TDEE. So this is a mute point.
And a person does have muscle mass at their current weight, and he can build additional muscle currently while in a calorie deficit up to a point. So he does not need to do anything to delay weight loss.
There are too many variables. What if by chance OP is a shorter person who is in obese category at his height and should start cutting weight for his health? Anyway, this does not help OP in any way and the advice given still stands.
Well in that case being health reasons, that's completely different. His goal is to lose weight and gain muscle. I can guarantee if he just went in on a deficit and counting calories, he'd be much weaker.. yeah he may gain some muscle because he's a newbie, but if he weren't in a deficit, he'd be stronger, he'd lift more weight which tears them muscle fibers more than light weight. Ate a *kitten* tone of healthy nutritional foods to repair them baby muscles... I just think a lean bulk is ideal for beginners, rather then jumping right into counting calories and being in a deficit with little muscle mass as it is
Wait, you want a 250 lb guy who wants to lose 50 lbs to do a lean bulk??? And why would he end up weaker eating at a modest deficit? And is "baby muscles" a technical term?
I want this 250lb guy to eat more nutritional food and cut the garbage food out, and not worry about counting calories as a beginner. I want him to worry about making better choices in the kitchen and putting in the work at the gym, so when he does decide to cut the weight, he doesn't look like a noodle with lose skin.
What's going to "not make him look like a noodle with lose skin" is a correct amount of calories and protein along with a structured lifting program. Not some vague advice like "make better choices" and "cut the garbage food out".9 -
GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
Well you gain weight eating too many calories of any food over your TDEE. So this is a mute point.
And a person does have muscle mass at their current weight, and he can build additional muscle currently while in a calorie deficit up to a point. So he does not need to do anything to delay weight loss.
There are too many variables. What if by chance OP is a shorter person who is in obese category at his height and should start cutting weight for his health? Anyway, this does not help OP in any way and the advice given still stands.
Well in that case being health reasons, that's completely different. His goal is to lose weight and gain muscle. I can guarantee if he just went in on a deficit and counting calories, he'd be much weaker.. yeah he may gain some muscle because he's a newbie, but if he weren't in a deficit, he'd be stronger, he'd lift more weight which tears them muscle fibers more than light weight. Ate a *kitten* tone of healthy nutritional foods to repair them baby muscles... I just think a lean bulk is ideal for beginners, rather then jumping right into counting calories and being in a deficit with little muscle mass as it is
Wait, you want a 250 lb guy who wants to lose 50 lbs to do a lean bulk??? And why would he end up weaker eating at a modest deficit? And is "baby muscles" a technical term?
I want this 250lb guy to eat more nutritional food and cut the garbage food out, and not worry about counting calories as a beginner. I want him to worry about making better choices in the kitchen and putting in the work at the gym, so when he does decide to cut the weight, he doesn't look like a noodle with lose skin.
I want him to find a dieting method that's sustainable to him. If that's going ham on vegetables and chicken so be it. But since he seems new I also want him to understand that calories are ultimately what determine fat loss and "dirty" food or "garbage" can fit in his diet and won't prevent fat loss or muscle gain.6 -
GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
Well you gain weight eating too many calories of any food over your TDEE. So this is a mute point.
And a person does have muscle mass at their current weight, and he can build additional muscle currently while in a calorie deficit up to a point. So he does not need to do anything to delay weight loss.
There are too many variables. What if by chance OP is a shorter person who is in obese category at his height and should start cutting weight for his health? Anyway, this does not help OP in any way and the advice given still stands.
Well in that case being health reasons, that's completely different. His goal is to lose weight and gain muscle. I can guarantee if he just went in on a deficit and counting calories, he'd be much weaker.. yeah he may gain some muscle because he's a newbie, but if he weren't in a deficit, he'd be stronger, he'd lift more weight which tears them muscle fibers more than light weight. Ate a *kitten* tone of healthy nutritional foods to repair them baby muscles... I just think a lean bulk is ideal for beginners, rather then jumping right into counting calories and being in a deficit with little muscle mass as it is
Wait, you want a 250 lb guy who wants to lose 50 lbs to do a lean bulk??? And why would he end up weaker eating at a modest deficit? And is "baby muscles" a technical term?
I want this 250lb guy to eat more nutritional food and cut the garbage food out, and not worry about counting calories as a beginner. I want him to worry about making better choices in the kitchen and putting in the work at the gym, so when he does decide to cut the weight, he doesn't look like a noodle with lose skin.
So people who don't go to the gym don't have muscle? Can you elaborate on that?
No one here is saying he shouldn't eat nutritious food. But it doesn't take much specialized knowledge to know that at 250 lbs, his primary goal should be losing weight, full stop. And based on his picture, he looks pretty young, so he is in a prime position as a young male to lose the fat now and preserve more muscle than most would be able to. His TDEE is probably fairly high, so he can still get a ton of nutrition, plus some McDonalds (which by the way does provide things like protein and some nutrients), while eating in a deficit and lifting.
If you have any legitimate sources for all of the "obvious" points you are making, it would be great if you could link to them please. You are contradicting a lot of proven science and respected fitness researchers.6 -
GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
Well you gain weight eating too many calories of any food over your TDEE. So this is a mute point.
And a person does have muscle mass at their current weight, and he can build additional muscle currently while in a calorie deficit up to a point. So he does not need to do anything to delay weight loss.
There are too many variables. What if by chance OP is a shorter person who is in obese category at his height and should start cutting weight for his health? Anyway, this does not help OP in any way and the advice given still stands.
Well in that case being health reasons, that's completely different. His goal is to lose weight and gain muscle. I can guarantee if he just went in on a deficit and counting calories, he'd be much weaker.. yeah he may gain some muscle because he's a newbie, but if he weren't in a deficit, he'd be stronger, he'd lift more weight which tears them muscle fibers more than light weight. Ate a *kitten* tone of healthy nutritional foods to repair them baby muscles... I just think a lean bulk is ideal for beginners, rather then jumping right into counting calories and being in a deficit with little muscle mass as it is
Wait, you want a 250 lb guy who wants to lose 50 lbs to do a lean bulk??? And why would he end up weaker eating at a modest deficit? And is "baby muscles" a technical term?
I want this 250lb guy to eat more nutritional food and cut the garbage food out, and not worry about counting calories as a beginner. I want him to worry about making better choices in the kitchen and putting in the work at the gym, so when he does decide to cut the weight, he doesn't look like a noodle with lose skin.
So people who don't go to the gym don't have muscle? Can you elaborate on that?
No one here is saying he shouldn't eat nutritious food. But it doesn't take much specialized knowledge to know that at 250 lbs, his primary goal should be losing weight, full stop. And based on his picture, he looks pretty young, so he is in a prime position as a young male to lose the fat now and preserve more muscle than most would be able to. His TDEE is probably fairly high, so he can still get a ton of nutrition, plus some McDonalds (which by the way does provide things like protein and some nutrients), while eating in a deficit and lifting.
If you have any legitimate sources for all of the "obvious" points you are making, it would be great if you could link to them please. You are contradicting a lot of proven science and respected fitness researchers.
Shame on me, y'all do it your way. And I'll do it mine. I'll be updating quite often here so, I'll have evidence of what I stand by. I hope y'all can do the same. Gotta go smash some wheels now, yeah legs... incase y'all didn't know what I was saying, seems to be very relevant in this post. Haha, deuces7 -
GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
Well you gain weight eating too many calories of any food over your TDEE. So this is a mute point.
And a person does have muscle mass at their current weight, and he can build additional muscle currently while in a calorie deficit up to a point. So he does not need to do anything to delay weight loss.
There are too many variables. What if by chance OP is a shorter person who is in obese category at his height and should start cutting weight for his health? Anyway, this does not help OP in any way and the advice given still stands.
Well in that case being health reasons, that's completely different. His goal is to lose weight and gain muscle. I can guarantee if he just went in on a deficit and counting calories, he'd be much weaker.. yeah he may gain some muscle because he's a newbie, but if he weren't in a deficit, he'd be stronger, he'd lift more weight which tears them muscle fibers more than light weight. Ate a *kitten* tone of healthy nutritional foods to repair them baby muscles... I just think a lean bulk is ideal for beginners, rather then jumping right into counting calories and being in a deficit with little muscle mass as it is
Wait, you want a 250 lb guy who wants to lose 50 lbs to do a lean bulk??? And why would he end up weaker eating at a modest deficit? And is "baby muscles" a technical term?
I want this 250lb guy to eat more nutritional food and cut the garbage food out, and not worry about counting calories as a beginner. I want him to worry about making better choices in the kitchen and putting in the work at the gym, so when he does decide to cut the weight, he doesn't look like a noodle with lose skin.
So people who don't go to the gym don't have muscle? Can you elaborate on that?
No one here is saying he shouldn't eat nutritious food. But it doesn't take much specialized knowledge to know that at 250 lbs, his primary goal should be losing weight, full stop. And based on his picture, he looks pretty young, so he is in a prime position as a young male to lose the fat now and preserve more muscle than most would be able to. His TDEE is probably fairly high, so he can still get a ton of nutrition, plus some McDonalds (which by the way does provide things like protein and some nutrients), while eating in a deficit and lifting.
If you have any legitimate sources for all of the "obvious" points you are making, it would be great if you could link to them please. You are contradicting a lot of proven science and respected fitness researchers.
Shame on me, y'all do it your way. And I'll do it mine. I'll be updating quite often here so, I'll have evidence of what I stand by. I hope y'all can do the same. Gotta go smash some wheels now, yeah legs... incase y'all didn't know what I was saying, seems to be very relevant in this post. Haha, deuces
So that would be a "no", you don't have any sources. Got it, thanks.
When you get a chance, you should really poke around more here and read some of the sources that get referenced, people like Lyle McDonald, Alan Aragon, Eric Helms and many more. They have tons of research, case studies, actual science, life times worth of experience.
A phrase I've heard a lot is that many bodybuilders (especially those who start young) succeed despite what they think is important, not because of it.11 -
Lost me at lean bulk. Got me back at 'ghetti. On the menu here this week too! Beef/pork mix.
I do enjoy the assumption that fat people gorge on McDs all the livelong day. Spoiler, I know a lot of fat people who don't/didn't, me being one. Second spoiler, McDs has plenty of nutrition, it just happens to be pretty calorie dense and thus harder to fit into a lot of people's calories whilst meeting all nutrition needs.8 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
You claim to have studied nutrition, so you know about p-ratio, right? And you understand what effect it has on an already overweight/overfat individual trying to bulk, as opposed to doing it when they're leaner, right?
I'm sure you know about that if you've studied nutrition.
A clean nutritional lean bulk is not detrimental to ones health, even if overweight or "obese" that's why healthy fat burning foods and vegetables are recommended in lean bulk diets.
Obesity is a health issue no matter the diet this advice is getting worse.
Eat a *kitten* ton of cleaner more nutritional food, cut out the garbage. Lose weight. Eat a *kitten* tone of *kitten* processed and fast food, die or be obese. Wanna get blunt? I mean it's simple
But you don't lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, regardless of what you're eating. Surely you learned that in your nutritional studies too. Didn't you? The most basic laws of energy balance? I'm sure they taught those in nutritional studies.
And you do understand the concepts of context and dosage, right? That's it's actually possible to eat a diet that is reasonably somewhere in between completely "clean" and shoveling junk food into your pie hole 24/7? You know, a little moderation and common sense? Middle ground?
Of course man, I'm not against cheat meals. I am against cheat days, but not cheat meals.
I'm all for eating in a way that I don't have to cheat.
Me, too! I made spaghetti with meat sauce and garlic bread fit in my calories and macros yesterday. It was glorious.
I had this too. Girl you are my food twin!!!
Steak on the smoker and baked sweet potato tonight. Still twinning, @roxiedawn?quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
You claim to have studied nutrition, so you know about p-ratio, right? And you understand what effect it has on an already overweight/overfat individual trying to bulk, as opposed to doing it when they're leaner, right?
I'm sure you know about that if you've studied nutrition.
A clean nutritional lean bulk is not detrimental to ones health, even if overweight or "obese" that's why healthy fat burning foods and vegetables are recommended in lean bulk diets.
Obesity is a health issue no matter the diet this advice is getting worse.
Eat a *kitten* ton of cleaner more nutritional food, cut out the garbage. Lose weight. Eat a *kitten* tone of *kitten* processed and fast food, die or be obese. Wanna get blunt? I mean it's simple
But you don't lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, regardless of what you're eating. Surely you learned that in your nutritional studies too. Didn't you? The most basic laws of energy balance? I'm sure they taught those in nutritional studies.
And you do understand the concepts of context and dosage, right? That's it's actually possible to eat a diet that is reasonably somewhere in between completely "clean" and shoveling junk food into your pie hole 24/7? You know, a little moderation and common sense? Middle ground?
Of course man, I'm not against cheat meals. I am against cheat days, but not cheat meals.
I'm all for eating in a way that I don't have to cheat.
Me, too! I made spaghetti with meat sauce and garlic bread fit in my calories and macros yesterday. It was glorious.
I had this too. Girl you are my food twin!!!
Steak on the smoker and baked sweet potato tonight. Still twinning, @roxiedawn?
Steak;s on Saturday's in my house.
Dinner tonight is chicken casadillia's, Mexican rice and yes refried beans. And I am topping off dessert with homemade m&m cookie sandwiches I made the other day with milk.
I am so not sorry. lol
Oooh, yum. We normally do steaks on the weekend, but hubby's schedule just changed and he has to work Sat and Sun night.
I'll save you some and a cookie too.
I hope you brought enough for everyone.1 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
You claim to have studied nutrition, so you know about p-ratio, right? And you understand what effect it has on an already overweight/overfat individual trying to bulk, as opposed to doing it when they're leaner, right?
I'm sure you know about that if you've studied nutrition.
A clean nutritional lean bulk is not detrimental to ones health, even if overweight or "obese" that's why healthy fat burning foods and vegetables are recommended in lean bulk diets.
Obesity is a health issue no matter the diet this advice is getting worse.
Eat a *kitten* ton of cleaner more nutritional food, cut out the garbage. Lose weight. Eat a *kitten* tone of *kitten* processed and fast food, die or be obese. Wanna get blunt? I mean it's simple
But you don't lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, regardless of what you're eating. Surely you learned that in your nutritional studies too. Didn't you? The most basic laws of energy balance? I'm sure they taught those in nutritional studies.
And you do understand the concepts of context and dosage, right? That's it's actually possible to eat a diet that is reasonably somewhere in between completely "clean" and shoveling junk food into your pie hole 24/7? You know, a little moderation and common sense? Middle ground?
Of course man, I'm not against cheat meals. I am against cheat days, but not cheat meals.
I'm all for eating in a way that I don't have to cheat.
Me, too! I made spaghetti with meat sauce and garlic bread fit in my calories and macros yesterday. It was glorious.
I had this too. Girl you are my food twin!!!
Steak on the smoker and baked sweet potato tonight. Still twinning, @roxiedawn?quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
You claim to have studied nutrition, so you know about p-ratio, right? And you understand what effect it has on an already overweight/overfat individual trying to bulk, as opposed to doing it when they're leaner, right?
I'm sure you know about that if you've studied nutrition.
A clean nutritional lean bulk is not detrimental to ones health, even if overweight or "obese" that's why healthy fat burning foods and vegetables are recommended in lean bulk diets.
Obesity is a health issue no matter the diet this advice is getting worse.
Eat a *kitten* ton of cleaner more nutritional food, cut out the garbage. Lose weight. Eat a *kitten* tone of *kitten* processed and fast food, die or be obese. Wanna get blunt? I mean it's simple
But you don't lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, regardless of what you're eating. Surely you learned that in your nutritional studies too. Didn't you? The most basic laws of energy balance? I'm sure they taught those in nutritional studies.
And you do understand the concepts of context and dosage, right? That's it's actually possible to eat a diet that is reasonably somewhere in between completely "clean" and shoveling junk food into your pie hole 24/7? You know, a little moderation and common sense? Middle ground?
Of course man, I'm not against cheat meals. I am against cheat days, but not cheat meals.
I'm all for eating in a way that I don't have to cheat.
Me, too! I made spaghetti with meat sauce and garlic bread fit in my calories and macros yesterday. It was glorious.
I had this too. Girl you are my food twin!!!
Steak on the smoker and baked sweet potato tonight. Still twinning, @roxiedawn?
Steak;s on Saturday's in my house.
Dinner tonight is chicken casadillia's, Mexican rice and yes refried beans. And I am topping off dessert with homemade m&m cookie sandwiches I made the other day with milk.
I am so not sorry. lol
Oooh, yum. We normally do steaks on the weekend, but hubby's schedule just changed and he has to work Sat and Sun night.
I'll save you some and a cookie too.
I hope you brought enough for everyone.
3 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
You claim to have studied nutrition, so you know about p-ratio, right? And you understand what effect it has on an already overweight/overfat individual trying to bulk, as opposed to doing it when they're leaner, right?
I'm sure you know about that if you've studied nutrition.
A clean nutritional lean bulk is not detrimental to ones health, even if overweight or "obese" that's why healthy fat burning foods and vegetables are recommended in lean bulk diets.
Obesity is a health issue no matter the diet this advice is getting worse.
Eat a *kitten* ton of cleaner more nutritional food, cut out the garbage. Lose weight. Eat a *kitten* tone of *kitten* processed and fast food, die or be obese. Wanna get blunt? I mean it's simple
But you don't lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, regardless of what you're eating. Surely you learned that in your nutritional studies too. Didn't you? The most basic laws of energy balance? I'm sure they taught those in nutritional studies.
And you do understand the concepts of context and dosage, right? That's it's actually possible to eat a diet that is reasonably somewhere in between completely "clean" and shoveling junk food into your pie hole 24/7? You know, a little moderation and common sense? Middle ground?
Of course man, I'm not against cheat meals. I am against cheat days, but not cheat meals.
I'm all for eating in a way that I don't have to cheat.
Me, too! I made spaghetti with meat sauce and garlic bread fit in my calories and macros yesterday. It was glorious.
I had this too. Girl you are my food twin!!!
But was it clean? Apparently clean = magic in that nutrition class I missed due to illness.
I had spaghetti night before last, this must be spaghetti week. I know it was clean because my wife used water to boil the pasta, so that's like rinsing it, right? And she rinsed the mushrooms before she sliced them to put them into the sauce, too. Oh so clean.
I don't know, mushrooms grow in some pretty nasty stuff.
0 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
You claim to have studied nutrition, so you know about p-ratio, right? And you understand what effect it has on an already overweight/overfat individual trying to bulk, as opposed to doing it when they're leaner, right?
I'm sure you know about that if you've studied nutrition.
A clean nutritional lean bulk is not detrimental to ones health, even if overweight or "obese" that's why healthy fat burning foods and vegetables are recommended in lean bulk diets.
Obesity is a health issue no matter the diet this advice is getting worse.
Eat a *kitten* ton of cleaner more nutritional food, cut out the garbage. Lose weight. Eat a *kitten* tone of *kitten* processed and fast food, die or be obese. Wanna get blunt? I mean it's simple
But you don't lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, regardless of what you're eating. Surely you learned that in your nutritional studies too. Didn't you? The most basic laws of energy balance? I'm sure they taught those in nutritional studies.
And you do understand the concepts of context and dosage, right? That's it's actually possible to eat a diet that is reasonably somewhere in between completely "clean" and shoveling junk food into your pie hole 24/7? You know, a little moderation and common sense? Middle ground?
Of course man, I'm not against cheat meals. I am against cheat days, but not cheat meals.
I'm all for eating in a way that I don't have to cheat.
Me, too! I made spaghetti with meat sauce and garlic bread fit in my calories and macros yesterday. It was glorious.
I had this too. Girl you are my food twin!!!
Steak on the smoker and baked sweet potato tonight. Still twinning, @roxiedawn?quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
You claim to have studied nutrition, so you know about p-ratio, right? And you understand what effect it has on an already overweight/overfat individual trying to bulk, as opposed to doing it when they're leaner, right?
I'm sure you know about that if you've studied nutrition.
A clean nutritional lean bulk is not detrimental to ones health, even if overweight or "obese" that's why healthy fat burning foods and vegetables are recommended in lean bulk diets.
Obesity is a health issue no matter the diet this advice is getting worse.
Eat a *kitten* ton of cleaner more nutritional food, cut out the garbage. Lose weight. Eat a *kitten* tone of *kitten* processed and fast food, die or be obese. Wanna get blunt? I mean it's simple
But you don't lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, regardless of what you're eating. Surely you learned that in your nutritional studies too. Didn't you? The most basic laws of energy balance? I'm sure they taught those in nutritional studies.
And you do understand the concepts of context and dosage, right? That's it's actually possible to eat a diet that is reasonably somewhere in between completely "clean" and shoveling junk food into your pie hole 24/7? You know, a little moderation and common sense? Middle ground?
Of course man, I'm not against cheat meals. I am against cheat days, but not cheat meals.
I'm all for eating in a way that I don't have to cheat.
Me, too! I made spaghetti with meat sauce and garlic bread fit in my calories and macros yesterday. It was glorious.
I had this too. Girl you are my food twin!!!
Steak on the smoker and baked sweet potato tonight. Still twinning, @roxiedawn?
Steak;s on Saturday's in my house.
Dinner tonight is chicken casadillia's, Mexican rice and yes refried beans. And I am topping off dessert with homemade m&m cookie sandwiches I made the other day with milk.
I am so not sorry. lol
Oooh, yum. We normally do steaks on the weekend, but hubby's schedule just changed and he has to work Sat and Sun night.
I'll save you some and a cookie too.
I hope you brought enough for everyone.
2 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
You claim to have studied nutrition, so you know about p-ratio, right? And you understand what effect it has on an already overweight/overfat individual trying to bulk, as opposed to doing it when they're leaner, right?
I'm sure you know about that if you've studied nutrition.
A clean nutritional lean bulk is not detrimental to ones health, even if overweight or "obese" that's why healthy fat burning foods and vegetables are recommended in lean bulk diets.
Obesity is a health issue no matter the diet this advice is getting worse.
Eat a *kitten* ton of cleaner more nutritional food, cut out the garbage. Lose weight. Eat a *kitten* tone of *kitten* processed and fast food, die or be obese. Wanna get blunt? I mean it's simple
But you don't lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, regardless of what you're eating. Surely you learned that in your nutritional studies too. Didn't you? The most basic laws of energy balance? I'm sure they taught those in nutritional studies.
And you do understand the concepts of context and dosage, right? That's it's actually possible to eat a diet that is reasonably somewhere in between completely "clean" and shoveling junk food into your pie hole 24/7? You know, a little moderation and common sense? Middle ground?
Of course man, I'm not against cheat meals. I am against cheat days, but not cheat meals.
I'm all for eating in a way that I don't have to cheat.
Me, too! I made spaghetti with meat sauce and garlic bread fit in my calories and macros yesterday. It was glorious.
I had this too. Girl you are my food twin!!!
Steak on the smoker and baked sweet potato tonight. Still twinning, @roxiedawn?quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
You claim to have studied nutrition, so you know about p-ratio, right? And you understand what effect it has on an already overweight/overfat individual trying to bulk, as opposed to doing it when they're leaner, right?
I'm sure you know about that if you've studied nutrition.
A clean nutritional lean bulk is not detrimental to ones health, even if overweight or "obese" that's why healthy fat burning foods and vegetables are recommended in lean bulk diets.
Obesity is a health issue no matter the diet this advice is getting worse.
Eat a *kitten* ton of cleaner more nutritional food, cut out the garbage. Lose weight. Eat a *kitten* tone of *kitten* processed and fast food, die or be obese. Wanna get blunt? I mean it's simple
But you don't lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, regardless of what you're eating. Surely you learned that in your nutritional studies too. Didn't you? The most basic laws of energy balance? I'm sure they taught those in nutritional studies.
And you do understand the concepts of context and dosage, right? That's it's actually possible to eat a diet that is reasonably somewhere in between completely "clean" and shoveling junk food into your pie hole 24/7? You know, a little moderation and common sense? Middle ground?
Of course man, I'm not against cheat meals. I am against cheat days, but not cheat meals.
I'm all for eating in a way that I don't have to cheat.
Me, too! I made spaghetti with meat sauce and garlic bread fit in my calories and macros yesterday. It was glorious.
I had this too. Girl you are my food twin!!!
Steak on the smoker and baked sweet potato tonight. Still twinning, @roxiedawn?
Steak;s on Saturday's in my house.
Dinner tonight is chicken casadillia's, Mexican rice and yes refried beans. And I am topping off dessert with homemade m&m cookie sandwiches I made the other day with milk.
I am so not sorry. lol
Oooh, yum. We normally do steaks on the weekend, but hubby's schedule just changed and he has to work Sat and Sun night.
I'll save you some and a cookie too.
I hope you brought enough for everyone.
Cookies for all. But I am a cookie snob so the last two are mine.3 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
You claim to have studied nutrition, so you know about p-ratio, right? And you understand what effect it has on an already overweight/overfat individual trying to bulk, as opposed to doing it when they're leaner, right?
I'm sure you know about that if you've studied nutrition.
A clean nutritional lean bulk is not detrimental to ones health, even if overweight or "obese" that's why healthy fat burning foods and vegetables are recommended in lean bulk diets.
Obesity is a health issue no matter the diet this advice is getting worse.
Eat a *kitten* ton of cleaner more nutritional food, cut out the garbage. Lose weight. Eat a *kitten* tone of *kitten* processed and fast food, die or be obese. Wanna get blunt? I mean it's simple
But you don't lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, regardless of what you're eating. Surely you learned that in your nutritional studies too. Didn't you? The most basic laws of energy balance? I'm sure they taught those in nutritional studies.
And you do understand the concepts of context and dosage, right? That's it's actually possible to eat a diet that is reasonably somewhere in between completely "clean" and shoveling junk food into your pie hole 24/7? You know, a little moderation and common sense? Middle ground?
Of course man, I'm not against cheat meals. I am against cheat days, but not cheat meals.
I'm all for eating in a way that I don't have to cheat.
Me, too! I made spaghetti with meat sauce and garlic bread fit in my calories and macros yesterday. It was glorious.
I had this too. Girl you are my food twin!!!
Steak on the smoker and baked sweet potato tonight. Still twinning, @roxiedawn?quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »GainsLevelIncreased wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Counting calories is useful for newbies. There was a recent thread about “foods that surprised you”, meaning calorie count was very high...usual things like peanut butter. Counting brings those things to light. Someone may not understand how real portions look. Calorie counting helps with that. Discounting it because it’s tedious is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. “Tedious” is relative.
I'm more about working them in, showing them the gym and making better choices in the kitchen first. Then once they get into a routine of making better choices, then have them learn how to count calories... that's just me I guess, I'm not saying your wrong, I'd just go about it a little differently.
And he comes back in 2 months wondering why he hasn't lost weight because he cut out 500 calories worth of pizza per week, but replace it with 1,000 calories worth of granola and nuts because they're "healthy". We don't even know what his choices are, maybe he's on a completely "clean" diet and is gaining weight. In the end it really comes down to calories and personally I'm going to keep eating "garbage" foods all the way up to this bodybuilding competition just like I did last time.
Well I hope he has a mentor to show him exercises in the gym, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. If he doesn't lose any weight, but cuts out *kitten* foods. He'll actually build some muscle, and then do a caloric deficit by 200-300 calories then when the weight comes off, he'll actually have baby muscles. And good luck with that competition mate
how do you know he would be in a deficit if he cut out "junk", he may eat more non-junk that has even more caloreis to replace the junk.
What I said was it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if he went 6-8 weeks and didn't lose any weight on the scale but cut out garbage foods. Which would make him healthier... 6-8 of training as a newbie, he would pack on some muscle, even if he does gain a little more fat by eating "too much" healthier foods.. he'd for one be healthier, two be stronger, and three actually have some muscle under the fat for when he starts counting calories and is in a caloric deficit.
Question: Why would you delay weight loss for 2 months? And it be okay to gain weight on healthier food?
For him to gain weight on healthy foods is going to be a lot harder than to gain weight with garbage foods, in my opinion. But, if he did... as a beginner to the gym, he has little muscle mass if any, let him pack on some extra muscle before you strip him of calories.. Then when it's time to cut the weight, the calories get cut by however many 2,3, 500 whatever it is.. and there's actually muscle instead of just skin and bone.
You claim to have studied nutrition, so you know about p-ratio, right? And you understand what effect it has on an already overweight/overfat individual trying to bulk, as opposed to doing it when they're leaner, right?
I'm sure you know about that if you've studied nutrition.
A clean nutritional lean bulk is not detrimental to ones health, even if overweight or "obese" that's why healthy fat burning foods and vegetables are recommended in lean bulk diets.
Obesity is a health issue no matter the diet this advice is getting worse.
Eat a *kitten* ton of cleaner more nutritional food, cut out the garbage. Lose weight. Eat a *kitten* tone of *kitten* processed and fast food, die or be obese. Wanna get blunt? I mean it's simple
But you don't lose weight unless you're in a caloric deficit, regardless of what you're eating. Surely you learned that in your nutritional studies too. Didn't you? The most basic laws of energy balance? I'm sure they taught those in nutritional studies.
And you do understand the concepts of context and dosage, right? That's it's actually possible to eat a diet that is reasonably somewhere in between completely "clean" and shoveling junk food into your pie hole 24/7? You know, a little moderation and common sense? Middle ground?
Of course man, I'm not against cheat meals. I am against cheat days, but not cheat meals.
I'm all for eating in a way that I don't have to cheat.
Me, too! I made spaghetti with meat sauce and garlic bread fit in my calories and macros yesterday. It was glorious.
I had this too. Girl you are my food twin!!!
Steak on the smoker and baked sweet potato tonight. Still twinning, @roxiedawn?
Steak;s on Saturday's in my house.
Dinner tonight is chicken casadillia's, Mexican rice and yes refried beans. And I am topping off dessert with homemade m&m cookie sandwiches I made the other day with milk.
I am so not sorry. lol
Oooh, yum. We normally do steaks on the weekend, but hubby's schedule just changed and he has to work Sat and Sun night.
I'll save you some and a cookie too.
I hope you brought enough for everyone.
Cookies for all. But I am a cookie snob so the last two are mine.
I can live with that.1 -
I just hope the OP knows which advice to listen to. I am hoping he doesn't choose the advice of"Eating clean while disregarding calories".5
-
VintageFeline wrote: »Lost me at lean bulk. Got me back at 'ghetti. On the menu here this week too! Beef/pork mix.
I do enjoy the assumption that fat people gorge on McDs all the livelong day. Spoiler, I know a lot of fat people who don't/didn't, me being one. Second spoiler, McDs has plenty of nutrition, it just happens to be pretty calorie dense and thus harder to fit into a lot of people's calories whilst meeting all nutrition needs.
I am soooo confused.
Am I a wet noodle who has lost his skin, or not? I definitely have skin! And, as someone pointed out the other day, a small revolver (or is that now a noodle?)
I ate more McDonald's while losing 72.5lbs in a year than I did the next two when I only lost like 12lbs! Should I conclude that my weight loss slowed down due to lack of McDonald's? Or was it that my food got dirtier because I started eating more vegetables?
I mean the McDonald's people really keep their kitchen WAY cleaner than mine! And do you ever see dirt on a McD's vegetable? My veggies often have lots of dirt to wash off!
The OP at 250lbs has (some) muscles and dropping to 200lbs won't make them disappear. Especially if he does some strength training along the way. And given his age, sex, and status, he will probably build new ones too!
But in terms of immediate benefit? The loss of weight and corresponding change to his power to weight ratio will do way more for him and his desire to strength train than going gung ho at the gym at 250lbs!
Assuming he doesn't do the usual stupid thing of cutting out all the foods and starving himself to lose weight fast.
Oh, yes, let's create a deficit that doesn't exceed 20% of TDEE to minimize lean mass loss and prioritizes protein without counting pesky calories.
Real easy to do.8
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 392.3K Introduce Yourself
- 43.6K Getting Started
- 259.9K Health and Weight Loss
- 175.7K Food and Nutrition
- 47.4K Recipes
- 232.4K Fitness and Exercise
- 405 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.4K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.5K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 152.8K Motivation and Support
- 7.9K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.3K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.4K MyFitnessPal Information
- 23 News and Announcements
- 1K Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.4K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions