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CICO is overrated in my opinion
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VintageFeline wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
That's alright we already knew. It was mentioned once on a rather strange thread that was moved to Chit Chat, generated tremendous response and was taken down.
ME ME ME ME- I actually didn't know!
I learnt something today!
I didn't know either! Who even is he!?
He's the magical oreo man. and also- apparently- a minister.
Magical Oreo Minister - MOM
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I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
Now you know one!5 -
I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have a 1/4 brother who believes the bible is literally true. Very intelligent guy and very well read. We have interesting conversations and I learn a lot from him. I don't believe the same things he does, but that's okay, I don't have to.
This has actually turned into an interesting thread, but to stay on topic - CICO is the only thing that matters for weight loss.
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I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have a 1/4 brother who believes the bible is literally true. Very intelligent guy and very well read. We have interesting conversations and I learn a lot from him. I don't believe the same things he does, but that's okay, I don't have to.
This has actually turned into an interesting thread, but to stay on topic - CICO is the only thing that matters for weight loss.
What is a 1/4 brother? I'm trying to do the math on the possible genetic/family circumstances in my head and failing utterly.12 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have a 1/4 brother who believes the bible is literally true. Very intelligent guy and very well read. We have interesting conversations and I learn a lot from him. I don't believe the same things he does, but that's okay, I don't have to.
This has actually turned into an interesting thread, but to stay on topic - CICO is the only thing that matters for weight loss.
What is a 1/4 brother? I'm trying to do the math on the possible genetic/family circumstances in my head and failing utterly.
Sorry! My dad married my aunt after my mom died and her children, my cousins, became - well, what? They weren't step-siblings because we're blood related but not enough to be half-siblings. Best we came up with was 1/4 siblings.
Yeah, it's a little weird. My husband says most people have a family tree, but he needs a GPS for mine.10 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have a 1/4 brother who believes the bible is literally true. Very intelligent guy and very well read. We have interesting conversations and I learn a lot from him. I don't believe the same things he does, but that's okay, I don't have to.
This has actually turned into an interesting thread, but to stay on topic - CICO is the only thing that matters for weight loss.
What is a 1/4 brother? I'm trying to do the math on the possible genetic/family circumstances in my head and failing utterly.
Ha! I was really hoping someone else thought along parallel lines.
What are the other 3/4?4 -
See @kimny72 this thread keeps taking new twists.6
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janejellyroll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have a 1/4 brother who believes the bible is literally true. Very intelligent guy and very well read. We have interesting conversations and I learn a lot from him. I don't believe the same things he does, but that's okay, I don't have to.
This has actually turned into an interesting thread, but to stay on topic - CICO is the only thing that matters for weight loss.
What is a 1/4 brother? I'm trying to do the math on the possible genetic/family circumstances in my head and failing utterly.
Sorry! My dad married my aunt after my mom died and her children, my cousins, became - well, what? They weren't step-siblings because we're blood related but not enough to be half-siblings. Best we came up with was 1/4 siblings.
Yeah, it's a little weird. My husband says most people have a family tree, but he needs a GPS for mine.
Okay! That actually makes sense. Thanks for indulging my curious nature.8 -
Best CICO thread ever.21
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janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have a 1/4 brother who believes the bible is literally true. Very intelligent guy and very well read. We have interesting conversations and I learn a lot from him. I don't believe the same things he does, but that's okay, I don't have to.
This has actually turned into an interesting thread, but to stay on topic - CICO is the only thing that matters for weight loss.
What is a 1/4 brother? I'm trying to do the math on the possible genetic/family circumstances in my head and failing utterly.
Sorry! My dad married my aunt after my mom died and her children, my cousins, became - well, what? They weren't step-siblings because we're blood related but not enough to be half-siblings. Best we came up with was 1/4 siblings.
Yeah, it's a little weird. My husband says most people have a family tree, but he needs a GPS for mine.
Okay! That actually makes sense. Thanks for indulging my curious nature.
You bet! I actually meant to edit the 1/4 out because it's kind of a "you had to be there" joke but got sidetracked.0 -
I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have bible literalists in my family. There are just some things we don't discuss.
ETA: I have discussed CICO with one of the bible literalists. She, unfortunately found it to be too much trouble and keeps looking for magical fixes. She's very into Trim Healthy Mama.8 -
So... Did OP every come back?0
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stanmann571 wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
Now you know one!
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WinoGelato wrote: »See @kimny72 this thread keeps taking new twists.
It's like the soap opera of MFP threads.
I bet @Carlos_421 has an evil twin - who doesn't like Oreos! Dun-dun-duuuuuuuuun.
Or maybe it's a 1/4 brother
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stanmann571 wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
Now you know one!
Two if you include me, another minister, at least when dealing with the sections of the Bible that are actually about history rather than the poetic and apocalyptic literature in it.
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Alatariel75 wrote: »So... Did OP every come back?
Not since page 4.5 -
diannethegeek wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »So... Did OP every come back?
Not since page 4.
Must be taking longer to read than one would think
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have bible literalists in my family. There are just some things we don't discuss.
ETA: I have discussed CICO with one of the bible literalists. She, unfortunately found it to be too much trouble and keeps looking for magical fixes. She's very into Trim Healthy Mama.
This of course requires additional clarification on "literalists". For example was the world created in 7 Roman calendar days? Is the Earth ~8 k years old?
Similar to CICO I find it fascinating how concerned people can be over the finer points. In particular why it is so important to them.6 -
WinoGelato wrote: »See @kimny72 this thread keeps taking new twists.
It's like the soap opera of MFP threads.
I bet @Carlos_421 has an evil twin - who doesn't like Oreos! Dun-dun-duuuuuuuuun.
Or maybe it's a 1/4 brother
I will co-sign that people who don’t like Oreos are evil.5 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »See @kimny72 this thread keeps taking new twists.
It's like the soap opera of MFP threads.
I bet @Carlos_421 has an evil twin - who doesn't like Oreos! Dun-dun-duuuuuuuuun.
Or maybe it's a 1/4 brother
I will co-sign that people who don’t like Oreos are evil.
*is evil*
Heh, Carlos - I'm in Thailand next May. I should send you some Thai Oreos - they're the most messed up thing ever.2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have bible literalists in my family. There are just some things we don't discuss.
ETA: I have discussed CICO with one of the bible literalists. She, unfortunately found it to be too much trouble and keeps looking for magical fixes. She's very into Trim Healthy Mama.
This of course requires additional clarification on "literalists". For example was the world created in 7 Roman calendar days? Is the Earth ~8 k years old?
Similar to CICO I find it fascinating how concerned people can be over the finer points. In particular why it is so important to them.
I tend to think literalism means "everything in the Bible is literally true" as in "true in a historical way." Even so, some literalists are open to some select bits being story (sometimes Jonah), and there are variations in what it means, sure. But an example would be the approach to the age of humanity or Noah's Ark/the Flood. I think the overarching concept largely relates to the development of the fundamentals and literalist approach to interpreting the Bible as a response to German Biblical scholars who focused on multiple sources for the Bible and how it was likely written and things like Q as one of the underlying sources for the synoptic Gospels.
I would differentiate that from the more mainline Protestant and Catholic approach to the Bible, although I'd think that there are areas that most Christians would of course accept as historically accurate (although I know there are some who take even those as not literal but a metaphor or some such).
I think it's an interesting topic and have had long and mutually respectfully discussions with literalists about it (I'm Catholic and religious). That said, I don't think it's something that can be productively discussed here (and is almost certainly going to be seen by TPTB as against the rules, I'd bet).
CICO may be (maybe) less controversial. ;-)7 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have bible literalists in my family. There are just some things we don't discuss.
ETA: I have discussed CICO with one of the bible literalists. She, unfortunately found it to be too much trouble and keeps looking for magical fixes. She's very into Trim Healthy Mama.
This of course requires additional clarification on "literalists". For example was the world created in 7 Roman calendar days? Is the Earth ~8 k years old?
Similar to CICO I find it fascinating how concerned people can be over the finer points. In particular why it is so important to them.
In the Southeastern US there are many, many of them. Interestingly enough they're almost all related.14 -
Aztec4Life wrote: »I laugh out loud. I wonder how our ancestors regulated weight before they knew what calories were? Or every other species on the planet? Or the 99% of people on earth who dont track calories?
What I'm getting out of this comment is that the key to regulating weight is to ignore calories. As long as you don't count them you're fine. Because CICO only applies if you think about it?
Otherwise known as the Wile E Coyote theory.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have bible literalists in my family. There are just some things we don't discuss.
ETA: I have discussed CICO with one of the bible literalists. She, unfortunately found it to be too much trouble and keeps looking for magical fixes. She's very into Trim Healthy Mama.
This of course requires additional clarification on "literalists". For example was the world created in 7 Roman calendar days? Is the Earth ~8 k years old?
Similar to CICO I find it fascinating how concerned people can be over the finer points. In particular why it is so important to them.
The biblical literalists in my family believe in a young earth and 7 literal days.
I believe that Oreos (well the kind I can have since I can't have gluten) are delicious.4 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have bible literalists in my family. There are just some things we don't discuss.
ETA: I have discussed CICO with one of the bible literalists. She, unfortunately found it to be too much trouble and keeps looking for magical fixes. She's very into Trim Healthy Mama.
This of course requires additional clarification on "literalists". For example was the world created in 7 Roman calendar days? Is the Earth ~8 k years old?
Similar to CICO I find it fascinating how concerned people can be over the finer points. In particular why it is so important to them.
I tend to think literalism means "everything in the Bible is literally true" as in "true in a historical way." Even so, some literalists are open to some select bits being story (sometimes Jonah), and there are variations in what it means, sure. But an example would be the approach to the age of humanity or Noah's Ark/the Flood. I think the overarching concept largely relates to the development of the fundamentals and literalist approach to interpreting the Bible as a response to German Biblical scholars who focused on multiple sources for the Bible and how it was likely written and things like Q as one of the underlying sources for the synoptic Gospels.
I would differentiate that from the more mainline Protestant and Catholic approach to the Bible, although I'd think that there are areas that most Christians would of course accept as historically accurate (although I know there are some who take even those as not literal but a metaphor or some such).
I think it's an interesting topic and have had long and mutually respectfully discussions with literalists about it (I'm Catholic and religious). That said, I don't think it's something that can be productively discussed here (and is almost certainly going to be seen by TPTB as against the rules, I'd bet).
CICO may be (maybe) less controversial. ;-)
There was a point in time where I was very read up on scholarship on Q. My memory issues being what they are, I forget a lot of what I learned. I remember being fascinated by it all.4 -
rileysowner wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
Now you know one!
Two if you include me, another minister, at least when dealing with the sections of the Bible that are actually about history rather than the poetic and apocalyptic literature in it.
Same here. So, 3.5 -
Wow! This thread, it rocks! Thanks OP! I sure do hope you come back and see what amazing people there are on MFP.3
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't know a single Biblical literalist. I'm certain they exist and make for excellent strawmen, but don't serve much purpose in furthering understanding.
There are multiple supporting secular accounts - most notable being Josephus & Tacitus. There are parables and there are accounts of history. You cannot simply disregard the base of work because the intent is misrepresented.
I have bible literalists in my family. There are just some things we don't discuss.
ETA: I have discussed CICO with one of the bible literalists. She, unfortunately found it to be too much trouble and keeps looking for magical fixes. She's very into Trim Healthy Mama.
This of course requires additional clarification on "literalists". For example was the world created in 7 Roman calendar days? Is the Earth ~8 k years old?
Similar to CICO I find it fascinating how concerned people can be over the finer points. In particular why it is so important to them.
The biblical literalists in my family believe in a young earth and 7 literal days.
I believe that Oreos (well the kind I can have since I can't have gluten) are delicious.
My mother in law believes that dinosaurs walked with Noah and perished in the flood. Her husband, my husband's stepfather, believes that the King James Bible and no other version is literally perfect and divinely transmitted.
The thing I find weirdest about them is that they are not at all literalists when it comes to verses such as "turn the other cheek" or "give all you have to the poor and follow Me."
Anyway, pretty sure religious debate is against the rules here.9 -
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