"Americans Exercise More....Obesity Rates Still Climbing"
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lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I'd agree that running over 10 miles in 90 min will burn around 1000 cal (depending on weight -- 100 cal per mile is about right for 150 lb), but the vast majority of people who log those kinds of stats (let alone doing so daily) aren't running 10+ miles.
Depending on your level of conditioning, it’s easier than you think to run 10+ miles daily. That’s pretty much the norm for me.
I said nothing about how easy it was, I said it's not particularly common for people logging exercise on MFP.
I am skeptical about the benefits of daily 10-12 mile runs, true -- I know age group competitor marathoners who may well run the same weekly distance, but the miles and workouts are more varied. But I'm not saying it isn't consistent with anyone's goals; it might be. I'm saying it's not the norm on MFP, including for people who think they are burning 1000 cal in 90 min. Much more often I've seen people log that based on workouts that are unlikely to come close to that.
I don't care and don't comment unless asked to, FTR.
i didn’t realize this was being asked to you specifically. My apologies, and thanks so much for gracing us with your comments.
Um, I think you misunderstood. I was saying that even though I might be skeptical when someone posts 1000 cal burn based on 90 minutes circuit training and stationary biking at the gym (or house cleaning), I don't say anything unless they ask.
Not sure how you managed to interpret it as a slam on you, but I'm sorry you took it that way.13 -
deannalfisher wrote: »Tblackdogs wrote: »I am constantly amazed on this site by the amount of calories people "claim" to have burned by exercise. I'm sorry, but most people (especially older women) are not burning 1000 calories from an hour and half of exercise. I went on a 100 mile hike in New Mexico, and I didn't lose a pound, even when hiking 10 plus miles a day with a 45 pack on my back.
90 mins of running burns me about 1k calories. I don’t think it’s highly unlikely to burn 1k with 90 mins of exercise, dependent on exertion level of course. Now those who claim a 1k burn in 60 mins are pretty laughable. But 1k in 90 mins is not unfathomable.
what exercise is netting you 1000cal burn in 90min? because that is like 3.5hrs of cycling for me at 16mph
I can run 11.5-12 miles in 90 mins, that burns me about 1k calories. I’m 33 y/o, 5’1” ~110 lbs.
Ran 13.2 today in 2 hours. Steady effort, HR avg 75% max (for people who think that matters). 29, 5'7, 146, female.
Burned about 1200.
Right on, that’s a great run and sounds about right for calories burned. I get in 15-16 miles in 2 hours, and usually clock about 1300 or so calories burned.
That's awesome. Do you watch your heart rate during your runs?
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Packerjohn wrote: »Can he do at least 20 good push ups in a row? Bench 125% or so of bodyweight? If not, yes he is obese by BMI and bodyfat measure.
As I said in my initial post, if he's a big time lifter he may be at a non-obese BF% at his height and weight. If no liftimg that possibility really approaches 0%.
I can do that! I am at a BMI of 42.6. Being a least of all a bodybuilder, I haven't benched 350 lbs of weight, but I shoved my brother against a wall, and I'm guessing he weighs 380. Benching isn't good for my knees.
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stevencloser wrote: »I'm 5'10'' and used to be 200 pounds. Let me tell you, I was fat. Fat, fat, fat. Borderline obese. Unless he did strength training and has good amounts of muscle because of that, so is your husband. And so are you. Denial won't make that go away.
And so are you. I am not saying I was thin or obese. I am saying my husband is not obese. I am calling you out for being an anorexic. There's been too many fat-phobic comments to my answer.
I have eight cats (yes, a long story). There are three cats in the obese category, three cats in medium category, and two cats in the skinny (cats still don't have nervous disorder like anorexia nervosa) category. I feed them all the same.
Don't categorize a person by what your BMI says, by what your prejudice is, and by your scale says.
And, by the way, a 6 foot 5 inch, weighing 265 lbs is obese according BMI standards. He wasn't. He was the discus (and shotput) thrower of a PAC12 university. He was my boyfriend previous to the husband.
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Something like 30 years ago I was just under 200 pounds (I'm 5'4", I looked like a beachball on stilts) and tried to lose weight by exercising more but "eating the same amount." I happened to catch a radio broadcast by a man by the name of Paul Harvey. He said that the NIH had announced that a study had shown that people trying to lose weight were divided into four groups. One group only exercised, one group only ate a calorie-restricted diet, one group restricted calories and exercised and one did nothing. I do not remember how long the study lasted. The group that did nothing and those that only exercised showed only a slight significant difference (sorry, after all these years I don't remember the exact numbers). The group restricting calories did show a significant drop in weight but the group exercising and restricting calories showed the most drastic weight drop. We knew 30 years ago that exercise alone was not an effective weight loss strategy. I think people already know, just that some of them prefer to fool themselves. It's easier and more comfortable.1
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candylilacs wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »I'm 5'10'' and used to be 200 pounds. Let me tell you, I was fat. Fat, fat, fat. Borderline obese. Unless he did strength training and has good amounts of muscle because of that, so is your husband. And so are you. Denial won't make that go away.
And so are you. I am not saying I was thin or obese. I am saying my husband is not obese. I am calling you out for being an anorexic. There's been too many fat-phobic comments to my answer.
I have eight cats (yes, a long story). There are three cats in the obese category, three cats in medium category, and two cats in the skinny (cats still don't have nervous disorder like anorexia nervosa) category. I feed them all the same.
Don't categorize a person by what your BMI says, by what your prejudice is, and by your scale says.
And, by the way, a 6 foot 5 inch, weighing 265 lbs is obese according BMI standards. He wasn't. He was the discus (and shotput) thrower of a PAC12 university. He was my boyfriend previous to the husband.
Your definitions need some work. Fat phobic, anorexic, and obese do not mean what you seem to think they mean.25 -
candylilacs wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »I'm 5'10'' and used to be 200 pounds. Let me tell you, I was fat. Fat, fat, fat. Borderline obese. Unless he did strength training and has good amounts of muscle because of that, so is your husband. And so are you. Denial won't make that go away.
And so are you. I am not saying I was thin or obese. I am saying my husband is not obese. I am calling you out for being an anorexic. There's been too many fat-phobic comments to my answer.
I have eight cats (yes, a long story). There are three cats in the obese category, three cats in medium category, and two cats in the skinny (cats still don't have nervous disorder like anorexia nervosa) category. I feed them all the same.
Don't categorize a person by what your BMI says, by what your prejudice is, and by your scale says.
And, by the way, a 6 foot 5 inch, weighing 265 lbs is obese according BMI standards. He wasn't. He was the discus (and shotput) thrower of a PAC12 university. He was my boyfriend previous to the husband.
Your definitions need some work. Fat phobic, anorexic, and obese do not mean what you seem to think they mean.
^ Seconded.
And I'm still left trying to figure out how benching could be not good for somebody's knees.14 -
Fat-phobic: 1. Fear and dislike of obese people and/or obesity. 2. Fearful of fatness or becoming fat. Check!
Anorexic: There is accumulating evidence that young men have become as concerned with their physical appearance as young women. However, different from women who want to achieve an ultra-slender body shape, most men want to increase their muscle mass and body size. Women with anorexia nervosa (AN) and competitive male bodybuilders are those who have taken the cultural standards of bodily perfection to the extreme, and both use unhealthy behaviours such as severe food restriction, excessive exercise, and steroids in pursuit of their goals. Source: https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15001065 Check!
Obese: A condition characterized by the excessive accumulation and storage of fat in the body. Check!
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candylilacs wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »I'm 5'10'' and used to be 200 pounds. Let me tell you, I was fat. Fat, fat, fat. Borderline obese. Unless he did strength training and has good amounts of muscle because of that, so is your husband. And so are you. Denial won't make that go away.
And so are you. I am not saying I was thin or obese. I am saying my husband is not obese. I am calling you out for being an anorexic. There's been too many fat-phobic comments to my answer.
I have eight cats (yes, a long story). There are three cats in the obese category, three cats in medium category, and two cats in the skinny (cats still don't have nervous disorder like anorexia nervosa) category. I feed them all the same.
Don't categorize a person by what your BMI says, by what your prejudice is, and by your scale says.
And, by the way, a 6 foot 5 inch, weighing 265 lbs is obese according BMI standards. He wasn't. He was the discus (and shotput) thrower of a PAC12 university. He was my boyfriend previous to the husband.
Your definitions need some work. Fat phobic, anorexic, and obese do not mean what you seem to think they mean.
^ Seconded.
And I'm still left trying to figure out how benching could be not good for somebody's knees.
Thanks. I was curious about the knees and benching thing too.4 -
candylilacs wrote: »Fat-phobic: 1. Fear and dislike of obese people and/or obesity. 2. Fearful of fatness or becoming fat. Check!
Anorexic: There is accumulating evidence that young men have become as concerned with their physical appearance as young women. However, different from women who want to achieve an ultra-slender body shape, most men want to increase their muscle mass and body size. Women with anorexia nervosa (AN) and competitive male bodybuilders are those who have taken the cultural standards of bodily perfection to the extreme, and both use unhealthy behaviours such as severe food restriction, excessive exercise, and steroids in pursuit of their goals. Source: https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15001065 Check!
Obese: A condition characterized by the excessive accumulation and storage of fat in the body. Check!
These findings provide causal evidence that perceptions of weight and health status are strongly influenced by the body weight of the people we see around us.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23949613
The under-detection of overweight and obesity may have been in part caused by exposure to larger body sizes resulting in an upwards shift in the range of body sizes that are perceived as being visually 'normal'.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29479462
Higher regional obesity prevalence is associated with lower maternal perception, suggesting that what is common has a greater likelihood of being perceived as normal. As perception is a first step to change, it may be harder to intervene in areas with high-obesity prevalence where intervention is most urgent.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2221260017 -
I'd be perceived as normal size about 50 years ago, but people in this country are all so big now that I'm characterised as small. I notice about 7 or 8 out of 10 people I see out in public have a decent amount of body fat, but would consider themselves as average.11
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deannalfisher wrote: »Tblackdogs wrote: »I am constantly amazed on this site by the amount of calories people "claim" to have burned by exercise. I'm sorry, but most people (especially older women) are not burning 1000 calories from an hour and half of exercise. I went on a 100 mile hike in New Mexico, and I didn't lose a pound, even when hiking 10 plus miles a day with a 45 pack on my back.
90 mins of running burns me about 1k calories. I don’t think it’s highly unlikely to burn 1k with 90 mins of exercise, dependent on exertion level of course. Now those who claim a 1k burn in 60 mins are pretty laughable. But 1k in 90 mins is not unfathomable.
what exercise is netting you 1000cal burn in 90min? because that is like 3.5hrs of cycling for me at 16mph
I can run 11.5-12 miles in 90 mins, that burns me about 1k calories. I’m 33 y/o, 5’1” ~110 lbs.
Ran 13.2 today in 2 hours. Steady effort, HR avg 75% max (for people who think that matters). 29, 5'7, 146, female.
Burned about 1200.
Right on, that’s a great run and sounds about right for calories burned. I get in 15-16 miles in 2 hours, and usually clock about 1300 or so calories burned.
That's awesome. Do you watch your heart rate during your runs?
I don’t. I’ve never used any of the hrm gadgets, but I’m curious now. My husband has an Apple Watch, maybe I’ll borrow that one of these days to check it out.0 -
candylilacs wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »I'm 5'10'' and used to be 200 pounds. Let me tell you, I was fat. Fat, fat, fat. Borderline obese. Unless he did strength training and has good amounts of muscle because of that, so is your husband. And so are you. Denial won't make that go away.
And so are you. I am not saying I was thin or obese. I am saying my husband is not obese. I am calling you out for being an anorexic. There's been too many fat-phobic comments to my answer.
I have eight cats (yes, a long story). There are three cats in the obese category, three cats in medium category, and two cats in the skinny (cats still don't have nervous disorder like anorexia nervosa) category. I feed them all the same.
Don't categorize a person by what your BMI says, by what your prejudice is, and by your scale says.
And, by the way, a 6 foot 5 inch, weighing 265 lbs is obese according BMI standards. He wasn't. He was the discus (and shotput) thrower of a PAC12 university. He was my boyfriend previous to the husband.
Wait. WHAT? How is StevenCloser an anorexic? WTF do you even mean by that?
You realize that words have meanings, right? And that being anorexic is an actual medical/behavioral health condition?15 -
candylilacs wrote: »Fat-phobic: 1. Fear and dislike of obese people and/or obesity. 2. Fearful of fatness or becoming fat. Check!
Anorexic: There is accumulating evidence that young men have become as concerned with their physical appearance as young women. However, different from women who want to achieve an ultra-slender body shape, most men want to increase their muscle mass and body size. Women with anorexia nervosa (AN) and competitive male bodybuilders are those who have taken the cultural standards of bodily perfection to the extreme, and both use unhealthy behaviours such as severe food restriction, excessive exercise, and steroids in pursuit of their goals. Source: https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15001065 Check!
Obese: A condition characterized by the excessive accumulation and storage of fat in the body. Check!
What does that have to do with anything discussed here, though? Are you seriously armchair diagnosing someone with anorexia without knowing their height/weight stats, based on the fact that they accurately described your BMI categories?
Want to do an armchair diagnosis? At least use the DSM-V criteria.9 -
She believes she did. Because pubmed says that bodybuilders exhibit disordered behaviour just like anorexics... did you miss her quote?!collectingblues wrote: »Want to do an armchair diagnosis? At least use the DSM-V criteria.
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She believes she did. Because pubmed says that bodybuilders exhibit disordered behaviour just like anorexics... did you miss her quote?!collectingblues wrote: »Want to do an armchair diagnosis? At least use the DSM-V criteria.
LOL. Saw the quote, and quoted the quote, but didn't think that surely anyone could be as ignorant (protip: Not you
) as to think that an isolated comment from someone and a correlation from a study would actually diagnose someone. 4 -
This is the goofiest thread. Cool to know that shoving someone = benching that weight. My bench press just increased enormously.
I am curious whether people are actually more active now then in 1997 -- I think it's possible more "work out" or "exercise" but that the standards for activity have declined enough that in fact on average people are less active, but who knows. Certainly calories consumed have continued to increase.19 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »This is the goofiest thread. Cool to know that shoving someone = benching that weight. My bench press just increased enormously.
I am curious whether people are actually more active now then in 1997 -- I think it's possible more "work out" or "exercise" but that the standards for activity have declined enough that in fact on average people are less active, but who knows. Certainly calories consumed have continued to increase.
You know what they say. The Nile is not just a river in Egypt.12 -
Still trying to figure out WTH her cats have to do with this.18
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I will say the amount of people on rascal scooters during my last visit to Disneyland was insane...
Literally an explosion of these things over the last several years...
The majority did not appear to even need them for any particular reason3
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