"Americans Exercise More....Obesity Rates Still Climbing"
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I'm the OP and I'm a "He". But I knew they weren't talking about me. No harm. I think everybody moved on just fine....
As to obesity classification, I am 5'11", 205. I'm on the high end of overweight. I'm also one of the strongest guys in my age range at our corporate gym. (Something I would never have dreamed of a year ago when I started lifting with the bar). My body fat, based on picture comparisons is roughly 20% +/- 1%. It's not bad. I could lose the 10 pounds I put on while lifting over the past 5 months and look far healthier and leaner than I was when I got down to 195 the first time. My BMI's will be the same, but my body fat will be about 5-7% less than what it was then - provided my measurements do what I estimate they will.
I am not a body-building lifter because I don't really want to get much bigger. But I certainly see first hand why the BMI number is just a general gage and not necessarily the gospel.
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candylilacs wrote: »Your definitions need some work. Fat phobic, anorexic, and obese do not mean what you seem to think they mean.
I don't think I need a man who mansplaining what I know. Your derivative and repetitive authors shouldn't carry any weight, and your research explains nothing. The scientists research another's research?
Mansplaining: (of a man) explain (something) to someone, typically a woman, in a manner regarded as condescending or patronizing.
Bench=Bodybuilding
I'm suffering from a stroke I had two years ago. I mix up language sometimes.
I'm a woman, and baffled as to how bench=bodybuilding. Never heard it expressed that way until you said it in this post. Seems like some backpedaling tbh.10 -
Netflix forks over knives and the China study offers an explanation18
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junecox2018 wrote: »Netflix forks over knives and the China study offers an explanation are worthless, biased propaganda garbage that cherry pick facts and misstate evidence in an effort to further their agenda. And both have been soundly debunked by evidence-based researchers.
^ Fixed it for you.15 -
A few thoughts based on personal experience:
If you eat at say 500 below your calorie expenditure for a long time, your body will adapt to that level of energy and you will stop losing weight. Then you will need to jump start the metabolism with more food, or exercise or both.
Additionally, if you dont workout a muscle group, the body will let it diminish to meet your lowered demand. Another instance where workout will help.24 -
When I started MFP I was 5'3" weighed 254 lbs and (given that I told MFP I wanted to lose 1lb/week and it started me on 1720 calories), maintained on 2220. I now weigh 153 lbs and, because there's less of me, I maintain on 1650. That's not my body adapting to being in a deficit. That's my body being smaller and needing less fuel to function.9
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If you eat at say 500 below your calorie expenditure for a long time, your body will adapt to that level of energy and you will stop losing weight....
Yes. Your energy needs decrease as you lose weight. A person who weighs 120 pounds will not need as many calories to sustain their body as does one who weighs 180 pounds. If you get to 120 pounds and are still eating at what was a deficit for you at 180 pounds, it most likely won't be a deficit anymore.
There's no "jump starting the metabolism" involved. Your metabolism isn't a car with a dead battery, it works 24/7 or you're dead. At that point you need to re-evaluate your daily calorie intake taking your current weight into consideration.
An occasional diet break during the process can be helpful, and there's a very good thread about that here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10604863/of-refeeds-and-diet-breaks/p113 -
If you eat at say 500 below your calorie expenditure for a long time, your body will adapt to that level of energy and you will stop losing weight....
Yes. Your energy needs decrease as you lose weight. A person who weighs 120 pounds will not need as many calories to sustain their body as does one who weighs 180 pounds. If you get to 120 pounds and are still eating at what was a deficit for you at 180 pounds, it most likely won't be a deficit anymore.
There's no "jump starting the metabolism" involved. Your metabolism isn't a car with a dead battery, it works 24/7 or you're dead. At that point you need to re-evaluate your daily calorie intake taking your current weight into consideration.
An occasional diet break during the process can be helpful, and there's a very good thread about that here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10604863/of-refeeds-and-diet-breaks/p1
the diet break jump starts the metabolism....i was not comparing 180 lb to 120 lb. i was comparing 180 lb to a plateau at 165 lb.
when you are eating less than daily expenditure, the nonessentials are slowed down or stopped....these include hormones for well being, muscle groups not in use etc.
this is why you break a plateau by mixing up calories and/or workout routine17 -
My best friend has watched me lose weight more than once. I've offered to teach her how to cook for herself (instead of eating high calorie fast food) and just recently after starting this journey yet again I've tried to get her to understand the importance of counting calories. She refuses to watch what she eats and insists she can lose weight by exercise alone. Everytime I've gained back weight it's because I stopped watching what I eat.
This time my goal is to get my weight down and never come back up and I want her to go on this journey with me for her own health and happiness. She just won't listen and I don't know how to get through to her.4 -
scribbles2art wrote: »My best friend has watched me lose weight more than once. I've offered to teach her how to cook for herself (instead of eating high calorie fast food) and just recently after starting this journey yet again I've tried to get her to understand the importance of counting calories. She refuses to watch what she eats and insists she can lose weight by exercise alone. Everytime I've gained back weight it's because I stopped watching what I eat.
This time my goal is to get my weight down and never come back up and I want her to go on this journey with me for her own health and happiness. She just won't listen and I don't know how to get through to her.
You may never be able to get through to her. She is a person independent of you. Nagging will probably only dissuade her from changing. Maybe just lead by example and answer questions as they come up (even if you have to repeat yourself many times.)2 -
scribbles2art wrote: »My best friend has watched me lose weight more than once. I've offered to teach her how to cook for herself (instead of eating high calorie fast food) and just recently after starting this journey yet again I've tried to get her to understand the importance of counting calories. She refuses to watch what she eats and insists she can lose weight by exercise alone. Everytime I've gained back weight it's because I stopped watching what I eat.
This time my goal is to get my weight down and never come back up and I want her to go on this journey with me for her own health and happiness. She just won't listen and I don't know how to get through to her.
I can't blame her for not wanting to take advice from somebody she's seen regain the weight twice. You know why you regained, but it's not surprising that she's not convinced. Maybe you should focus on yourself. If she decides she wants your advice, she'll ask for it.12 -
If you eat at say 500 below your calorie expenditure for a long time, your body will adapt to that level of energy and you will stop losing weight....
Yes. Your energy needs decrease as you lose weight. A person who weighs 120 pounds will not need as many calories to sustain their body as does one who weighs 180 pounds. If you get to 120 pounds and are still eating at what was a deficit for you at 180 pounds, it most likely won't be a deficit anymore.
There's no "jump starting the metabolism" involved. Your metabolism isn't a car with a dead battery, it works 24/7 or you're dead. At that point you need to re-evaluate your daily calorie intake taking your current weight into consideration.
An occasional diet break during the process can be helpful, and there's a very good thread about that here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10604863/of-refeeds-and-diet-breaks/p1
the diet break jump starts the metabolism....i was not comparing 180 lb to 120 lb. i was comparing 180 lb to a plateau at 165 lb.
when you are eating less than daily expenditure, the nonessentials are slowed down or stopped....these include hormones for well being, muscle groups not in use etc.
this is why you break a plateau by mixing up calories and/or workout routine
The nonessentials are not 500 calories worth. You won't stop losing weight from adaptation.10 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »When I started MFP I was 5'3" weighed 254 lbs and (given that I told MFP I wanted to lose 1lb/week and it started me on 1720 calories), maintained on 2220. I now weigh 153 lbs and, because there's less of me, I maintain on 1650. That's not my body adapting to being in a deficit. That's my body being smaller and needing less fuel to function.
Im guessing you are not very active or you maintenance would be higher...right? If you are very sedentary that makes sense I guess. Otherwise 1650 to maintain would suck for me anyways...lol3 -
I can back this up with personal experience. My weight gain happened when I injured my back and was bedridden for a while. I made the mistake of continuing to eat the same, but was not getting ANY exercise, not even the normal day to day activity that everyone does. I naively assumed it would come back off when I became fitter and more mobile. However, getting active again didn't shift the weight. The only thing that worked was restricting my calories.1
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karintalley wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »When I started MFP I was 5'3" weighed 254 lbs and (given that I told MFP I wanted to lose 1lb/week and it started me on 1720 calories), maintained on 2220. I now weigh 153 lbs and, because there's less of me, I maintain on 1650. That's not my body adapting to being in a deficit. That's my body being smaller and needing less fuel to function.
Im guessing you are not very active or you maintenance would be higher...right? If you are very sedentary that makes sense I guess. Otherwise 1650 to maintain would suck for me anyways...lol
Those are my sedentary calories. I actually do exercise quite a bit, but it's purposeful exercise and it can vary. So, I'm set to sedentary, but in actuality, I eat back 50% of what MFP tells me I burn from walking and strength training and usually take in 400-500 calories on top of that.8 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »When I started MFP I was 5'3" weighed 254 lbs and (given that I told MFP I wanted to lose 1lb/week and it started me on 1720 calories), maintained on 2220. I now weigh 153 lbs and, because there's less of me, I maintain on 1650. That's not my body adapting to being in a deficit. That's my body being smaller and needing less fuel to function.
Wow, that's a heck of a loss. Congrats and way to inspire and work hard.3 -
There are battles to be won, and there may be a lost cause. I'm stroke survivor and I wanted to get something straight.
Since my stroke two and a half year ago, my brain couldn't get enough oxygen. My brain died in the frontal and temporal region. I have since been gradually building in neuroplasticity -- capacity of neurons and neural networks in the brain to change their connections and behaviour in response to new information, sensory stimulation, development, damage, or dysfunction.
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt. One cannot simply "baffled as to how bench=bodybuilding," or its subsequent brain damage.
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I'm suffering from a stroke I had two years ago. I mix up language sometimes.
I'm a woman, and baffled as to how bench=bodybuilding. Never heard it expressed that way until you said it in this post. Seems like some backpedaling tbh.
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what are you missing is that NO ONE even knew that you had had a stroke until after you accused PAV8888 of mansplaining....and when people questioned your attack on a board member who has provided highly valuable contributions over a significant period of time - you brought all this up....8
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Here's the post that started this whole tangent.candylilacs wrote: »In 1998, the BMI changed. https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4890841/
Now, your BMI was 30 or higher, you were considered obese.
The argument here seems to be that obesity rates are climbing only because the BMI was changed. If I am misunderstanding that, please clarify. I don't think that's true, but I don't want to put words in your mouth or misunderstand something you did not intend to communicate.
As support of that, you said:
My husband weighs 210 and is 5'9" and he's not obese. [/quote]
Did the change even affect this? I know the definition of overweight changed, but am not aware if the definition of obese did. Anyway, the argument that was made -- and NO, it was not mansplaining -- was that this IS obese (31 BMI) unless he has above average muscle mass, and some indicators were given (bench press) as to how to determine if that was likely.
I'm not sure why injecting someone's measurements into the discussion was relevant anyway, as there's really no debate I'm aware of that average BMI has increased (whatever the assumed BMI definition, which yes is not perfect).I'm 5'7" and 272 lbs. and I can be considered MORBIDLY obese. I have no CPAP machine, no oxygen, and I don't even snore. I have no back problems (fingers crossed) with my petsitting job I get plenty of exercise (I'll do more focused exercise at the gym) and having a pitbull lunging and having to carry him away (90 lbs. of dog). The shopping cart has been a little healthier lately, but I have Cheetos, potato chips, and chocolate cake (for my husband's birthday!).
I'm not sure why this is relevant -- I think some assumed you were arguing that you are not obese, but I don't think you were. (In other threads you blamed sugar for your T2D, but weight seems a likely culprit.)
I think maybe you are saying you exercise and yet are overweight due to how much you are eating, which is consistent with the thread.Getting more exercise to me, I have a healthy part in my life. Even if I didn't have very healthy habits, I exercised. I do enough exercise and I will be considering what I eat. I know that I eat about 1500-1700 calories when I am exercising. I fight away my depression and even lingering effects of my stroke with my exercise.
Exercise is great, yes -- did you think people were saying it wasn't important?4 -
deannalfisher wrote: »what are you missing is that NO ONE even knew that you had had a stroke until after you accused PAV8888 of mansplaining....and when people questioned your attack on a board member who has provided highly valuable contributions over a significant period of time - you brought all this up....
After 25 years+/- on the internet. My policy on the subject is simple. Until positively demonstrated to the contrary.
"On the internet, All the Men are men, So are most of the Women. And most of the teenagers(children) are cops"
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