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  • jjpptt2
    jjpptt2 Posts: 5,650 Member
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    urloved33 wrote: »
    satan is not "even" w Christ. command satan to leave in jesus name...and he has to. I think the bible should really be studied a bit more before we all start...sayin stuff lol.

    But what of the Bible do you take literally and what do you take as metaphor/teaching story?
  • ChaelAZ
    ChaelAZ Posts: 2,240 Member
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    SuperOrganism2 wrote: »
    quote]Doesn't He govern free-will?

    That is always the sticky point for me.
    • If you believe in one omnipotent being, then you believe God gave us free will.
    • If you are not free to make every choice without anything predetermined, you do not have free will and you have a contradiction.

    Also then, you must fully except that there is no fate.
    • With free will as described above, God would not know everything because he could not know your choices, so God doesn't know everything, which contradicts things.

    And things continue to break down from there.

  • Motorsheen
    Motorsheen Posts: 20,507 Member
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    ChaelAZ wrote: »
    SuperOrganism2 wrote: »
    quote]Doesn't He govern free-will?

    That is always the sticky point for me.
    • If you believe in one omnipotent being, then you believe God gave us free will.
    • If you are not free to make every choice without anything predetermined, you do not have free will and you have a contradiction.

    Also then, you must fully except that there is no fate.
    • With free will as described above, God would not know everything because he could not know your choices, so God doesn't know everything, which contradicts things.

    And things continue to break down from there.

    So, the Dodgers really don't control their own destiny?

    Drat.
  • ChaelAZ
    ChaelAZ Posts: 2,240 Member
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    Motorsheen wrote: »
    ChaelAZ wrote: »
    SuperOrganism2 wrote: »
    quote]Doesn't He govern free-will?

    That is always the sticky point for me.
    • If you believe in one omnipotent being, then you believe God gave us free will.
    • If you are not free to make every choice without anything predetermined, you do not have free will and you have a contradiction.

    Also then, you must fully except that there is no fate.
    • With free will as described above, God would not know everything because he could not know your choices, so God doesn't know everything, which contradicts things.

    And things continue to break down from there.

    So, the Dodgers really don't control their own destiny?

    Drat.

    It was Angels in the Outfield.
  • ChaelAZ
    ChaelAZ Posts: 2,240 Member
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    Motorsheen wrote: »
    So, the Dodgers really don't control their own destiny?

    Drat.

    And that was an annoying game last night to watch.
    PS - The Native Grill on Litchfield and Waddel sucks.

  • Motorsheen
    Motorsheen Posts: 20,507 Member
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    ChaelAZ wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    So, the Dodgers really don't control their own destiny?

    Drat.

    And that was an annoying game last night to watch.
    PS - The Native Grill on Litchfield and Waddel sucks.

    I've been there.

    Merely sucking would have been an improvement.

    It was like airplane food served by prostitutes.

    ( With apologies to prostitutes )
  • ChaelAZ
    ChaelAZ Posts: 2,240 Member
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    Motorsheen wrote: »
    ChaelAZ wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    So, the Dodgers really don't control their own destiny?

    Drat.

    And that was an annoying game last night to watch.
    PS - The Native Grill on Litchfield and Waddel sucks.

    I've been there.

    Merely sucking would have been an improvement.

    It was like airplane food served by prostitutes.

    ( With apologies to prostitutes )

    Ughhh, WTF happened. They were so good for so long and they just suck now. Even Buffalo wild Wings is better anymore and that place drives me nuts. I'll stick with my Oregano's medium golds with blue cheese.
  • Motorsheen
    Motorsheen Posts: 20,507 Member
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    ChaelAZ wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    ChaelAZ wrote: »
    Motorsheen wrote: »
    So, the Dodgers really don't control their own destiny?

    Drat.

    And that was an annoying game last night to watch.
    PS - The Native Grill on Litchfield and Waddel sucks.

    I've been there.

    Merely sucking would have been an improvement.

    It was like airplane food served by prostitutes.

    ( With apologies to prostitutes )

    Ughhh, WTF happened. They were so good for so long and they just suck now. Even Buffalo wild Wings is better anymore and that place drives me nuts. I'll stick with my Oregano's medium golds with blue cheese.

    Oregano's works for sure; it's hard to go wrong there.

    Zipps does okay by me too.
    The one at Arrowhead is good sized and always seems to deliver.
  • ChaelAZ
    ChaelAZ Posts: 2,240 Member
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    Motorsheen wrote: »
    Zipps does okay by me too.
    The one at Arrowhead is good sized and always seems to deliver.

    Nephew manages a Zipps.
    They are good.
    I just hit Rock Bottom by Arrowhead.

  • _pi3_
    _pi3_ Posts: 2,311 Member
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    I'm kinda living til I die. With hopes I don't suffer too much in between.
  • _pi3_
    _pi3_ Posts: 2,311 Member
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    SabotageinStilettos wrote: »
    Avocado_Angel wrote: »
    So what's the point in living if that's your opinion?

    Repopulate I guess. I’m not so deep that I need a point to live for. I’m just here trying to enjoy it while I can.

    That's kinda like what I always thought was the point of everybody else's existence
  • Annalee82_
    Annalee82_ Posts: 320 Member
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    I should only believe in a God that would know how to dance. - Friedrich Nietzsche -Thus Spoke Zarathustra

    I will see myself out now..
  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
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    Don’t dismiss the power of story. Even if everyone is in on the joke. Myths, heroes and a divine plan are full of unforgettable imagery which become part of a culture’s ethos.
  • Annalee82_
    Annalee82_ Posts: 320 Member
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    I don't believe in God, but the majority of people in my family are very religious. I think it's probably a very comforting, peaceful thing to actually have that faith in something. I envy them for that.
  • jjpptt2
    jjpptt2 Posts: 5,650 Member
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    jgnatca wrote: »
    Don’t dismiss the power of story. Even if everyone is in on the joke. Myths, heroes and a divine plan are full of unforgettable imagery which become part of a culture’s ethos.

    Hmmm...

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