October 2018 Monthly Running Challenge
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rheddmobile wrote: »I need advice! What's the best approach to bib placement when planning to remove layers? Also, has anyone tried race dots, bib boards, or similar, and what did you think?
A bib belt. When you need to shed a layer, take off the bib belt, shed the layer, put the bib belt back on.
Second choice: A singlet. Pin the bib to the singlet, wear the singlet as your outermost layer. Depending on weather and number of layers, you might need a bigger singlet than you'd wear in the summer heat. To shed a layer, remove singlet, shed layer, put singlet back on.
No holes in the waterproof jacket in either case, and I've used a bib belt when I wasn't shedding layers but just didn't want pinholes in my outermost layer.
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Ha. Talk about things coming together on race day. Here I am, just one day later, with it pouring with rain outside and after a very sleepless night with a vomiting child!
(I must saying going down the stairs became progressively difficult at 11pm, 1am, 3am and 5am!!)9 -
@ContraryMaryMary I'm sorry about the child issues, but it sure was great to see your race report. I always enjoy reading how people learned from experience and managed the next race well, which is certainly the case for you and the Auckland Half!0
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PastorVincent wrote: »ContraryMaryMary wrote: »Ha @avidkeo, would that be nice. It is my ultimate goal to run a 1:45 but that will require and average pace of 5 minutes - and with what I learned about today’s line and the fact I had to run an extra 300 metres - a 1:45:00 will require a 4:54 average pace, and I’m getting older not younger!!
Something to aim for I guess. Also a good question for the group - what age is peak running? How long can you continue to improve before age becomes a factor?
I’m my fastest ever and 44.
Age is already a factor. If I recall right physical peak for most people is like 21-25 years old. But I think @Mobycarp or someone said that from the time you start running you will increase for like 10-15 years almost no matter your age. I could be remembering that completely wrong though.
I am in your age bracket (and my HM time is about the same as yours) and still getting faster, so who knows? Maybe we will both break a 1:30 HM when we are 50!
I've heard that new runners keep improving for 5 years, and I've heard 10 years, regardless of the age they start running. While the precise period may be subject to question, there is no doubt that an older person who starts running can keep improving for several years. However, there will be limits.
I will never run a sub-3 hour marathon. Maybe I could have done that if I'd started running in my 30s, but I didn't start till age 55. Also, recovery takes longer as we get older. The age where this becomes noticeable varies from one person to the next; my favorite 70 year old runner says that at his age he can't run very many races because he wants to run a good race when he does race.
As far as an average age for peaking out, I'm sure there is one. I don't know what it is, but I'm pretty sure the standard deviation is high enough that the average doesn't necessarily apply to any given individual. I know a guy who is 9 years older than me, started running in his 50s, and peaked at 65. I know guys who started running young, and held onto a lot of their speed through their 40s while losing it only slowly in their 50s. And I know guys who started late or came to running after decades of not being athletically active, and made improvement in their late 50s and early 60s.
One size does not fit all, but beyond some point it becomes more a game of holding on to as much of what you have as you can, rather than striving for improvement. That point might only become apparent in the rear view mirror.10 -
Today's check in: I had thought to run 7 or 8 easy miles today in a light rain. Then yesterday evening, just before bed, I felt myself coming down with a cold. This was one of those "it's going to be a killer" colds that starts with sharp inflammation of the sinus. So I turned off my alarm, skipped church this morning, and spent the whole day around the house not being very physically active. I feel pretty good right now, but I know from experience that I'll feel terrible if I go try to do something strenuous, or even just go run 3 or 4 miles.
So today turned into an unscheduled rest day. Tomorrow is a scheduled rest day, but I might run 3 or 4 miles if I feel great. If I don't feel great tomorrow morning, I'll honor the planned rest day and come back to running on Tuesday.
Retirement is great. If I were still working, this would be one of those "not quite sick enough to call in" types of days, that turn into pure misery just from trying to do normal stuff.6 -
October goal: 95 miles
10/2: 5.5 miles
10/3: 5 miles
10/4: 5 miles
10/6: 3.1miles Old Rip 5K - PR and 2nd place AG
10/8: 5.2 miles
10/10: 5 miles
10/11: 5.2 miles
10/14: 9 miles
10/15: 3.5 miles
10/17: 5 miles
10/18: 4.1 miles
10/21: 11 miles
10/23: 4.5 miles
10/25: 3.5 miles
10/26: 4.2 miles
10/28: 8.1 miles
86.6/95 miles completed
I honestly don't know if the weather could have been any more perfect for a run this morning. It was 58F when I started and 61F when I got home. There wasn't much wind and the sun was shining and the sky was a beautiful blue. I have a difficult time with cloudy, gloomy skies and we haven't had enough pretty fall days this year. I ran 8.1 miles and felt great the whole time. I hope it will be like this in 2 weeks when I'm running my next 5k race.
@jele30, @mbaker566, @BruinsGal_91 & @ContraryMaryMary Congrats on your races! I love reading the race reports and seeing the bling! @ContraryMaryMary I'm sorry you had a sick child, but glad it was after the race, not the night before.
@garygse Happy birthday!
2018 races:
5/19/18: Run for 57th AHC Half Marathon - 2:43:59.7. - 2nd place AG
10/6/18: Old Rip 5K Run - PR 29:43.5, 2nd place AG
11/10/18: Wags & Whiskers 5K5 -
@jele30 Congratulations on your HM!
@mbaker566 and @BruinsGal_91 great race!
@rheddmobile I have started pinning bibs to my shorts the last couple of races. So don't have to worry what top I am wearing when I cross the finish line. But I have heard you should pin it to the garment you plan on wearing when you cross the finish line.5 -
So getting sick of missing runs due to busy days, I went for a run... in the low 40s... with a cold, but light rain... and in the dark. I usually aim to be in by dark due to the lack of street lights and heavily wooded unpaved back roads which are dangerous in a car, never mind on foot in full UA blackout gear. 😃 I did leave my Oakleys at home for a change though, so there is that.
I put on my green flashy armbands. I put on my green flashy waist belt. And for the first time, I put on my Black Diamond Storm Head Lamp.
So started with it on my head thinking "its a headlamp that is where it goes" I do not think I made it three minutes before I decided I really did not like that at all. So I moved it to my waist.
I set it to its dim setting, just enough to light up the ground around me, just a few strides really. The problem was with the light rain I think it made it harder to see as the light dispersed a lot.
It is not a busy road. I only did 8 miles (as always cramped for time) and only saw 3 cars. When their headlights came into view I stepped off the road and turned toward them (so that my head/belly lamp was visible) and waited for them to pass. Of course, they were all going way too fast for the condition, but eh, I did not get hit so I guess I can not complain.
I think the lamp worked well. I need to try it when the air is no full of mist to see if it will keep me from twisting an ankle in a hole or etc. I should get a second set of batteries for it and carry them with me though since there is no way to know when it will die on me.6 -
I wouldn't say never @mobycarp! I just saw this from Runners World!PastorVincent wrote: »ContraryMaryMary wrote: »Ha @avidkeo, would that be nice. It is my ultimate goal to run a 1:45 but that will require and average pace of 5 minutes - and with what I learned about today’s line and the fact I had to run an extra 300 metres - a 1:45:00 will require a 4:54 average pace, and I’m getting older not younger!!
Something to aim for I guess. Also a good question for the group - what age is peak running? How long can you continue to improve before age becomes a factor?
I’m my fastest ever and 44.
Age is already a factor. If I recall right physical peak for most people is like 21-25 years old. But I think @Mobycarp or someone said that from the time you start running you will increase for like 10-15 years almost no matter your age. I could be remembering that completely wrong though.
I am in your age bracket (and my HM time is about the same as yours) and still getting faster, so who knows? Maybe we will both break a 1:30 HM when we are 50!
I've heard that new runners keep improving for 5 years, and I've heard 10 years, regardless of the age they start running. While the precise period may be subject to question, there is no doubt that an older person who starts running can keep improving for several years. However, there will be limits.
I will never run a sub-3 hour marathon. Maybe I could have done that if I'd started running in my 30s, but I didn't start till age 55. Also, recovery takes longer as we get older. The age where this becomes noticeable varies from one person to the next; my favorite 70 year old runner says that at his age he can't run very many races because he wants to run a good race when he does race.
As far as an average age for peaking out, I'm sure there is one. I don't know what it is, but I'm pretty sure the standard deviation is high enough that the average doesn't necessarily apply to any given individual. I know a guy who is 9 years older than me, started running in his 50s, and peaked at 65. I know guys who started running young, and held onto a lot of their speed through their 40s while losing it only slowly in their 50s. And I know guys who started late or came to running after decades of not being athletically active, and made improvement in their late 50s and early 60s.
One size does not fit all, but beyond some point it becomes more a game of holding on to as much of what you have as you can, rather than striving for improvement. That point might only become apparent in the rear view mirror.
https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a24231891/70-year-old-run-sub-3-hour-marathon/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_rnw&utm_medium=email&date=102818&utm_campaign=RNW 2018-10-28 -- New Day 13&utm_term=New Day 13
I totally think you could go for this!6 -
October Goal: 100 miles
10/1: planned rest day
10/2: 4.5 miles
10/3: 9 miles
10/4: 5.5 miles
10/5: 7 miles
10/6: cross train ditched for rest
10/7: 3 miles
10/8: planned rest
10/9: rest until cleared by NP
10/10: 10 miles
10/11: 7 miles
10/12: 5 miles
10/13: 4.5 miles
10/14: impromptu rest (was scheduled tomorrow)
10/15: 4.5 miles (yesterday's)
10/16: 8 miles
10/17: leg day with the hubs instead of a run (couple's time)
10/18: 6 miles
10/19: 5 miles
10/20: 2.5 miles (was supposed to be 5, but severely underdressed for the wind)
10/21: impromptu rest (no sleep-went to pumpkin patch)
10/22: planned rest
10/23: 11 miles
10/24: 8 miles
10/25: 5 miles
10/26: impromptu rest (chaffing issue)
10/27: 8 miles
10/28: 6.5 miles
Total: 120 miles
UPCOMING RACES
November - 5 mile Bare Bones Turkey Trot (22nd)
December -
COMPLETED RACES
January - Frosty 5k
February - Run for the Chocolate 5k
March - Penguin in the Park 5k
April - Lake Sara Dam 5k
May - Run Through the Jungle 5k
June - French Fried 5k
July - Firecracker 5k
August - Happy Birthday to Me virtual 10k
September 7th - 5k Glow Run
October - Illinois Homecoming 5k6 -
Some more great race reports coming in, great work folks!
Happy birthday @garygse!
Another thing to factor in for years of improvement or peak age, is how your goals change. For 2 years I steady improved my 5k time. Then my main focus turned to ultra distances and I worked on endurance more than speed and haven't had a 5k PR since.
I still race a couple of 5ks per year and still hope to get a PR from time to time but as long as I progress to greater and greater distances, I'm not down on myself for not improving short distance paces.8 -
0.4 miles today. On crutches. Visiting with neighbors killed my pace. No matter. It was great to be outside and moving. It wasn't running but I'm counting it as such.
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Date :::: Miles :::: Cumulative
10/01/18 :::: 5.0 :::: 5.0
10/02/18 :::: 4.2 :::: 9.2
10/03/18 :::: 7.1 :::: 16.3
10/04/18 :::: 3.7 :::: 20.0
10/05/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 20.0
10/06/18 :::: 20.0 :::: 40.0
10/07/18 :::: 5.0 :::: 45.0
10/08/18 :::: 4.5 :::: 49.6
10/09/18 :::: 5.1 :::: 54.7
10/10/18 :::: 5.9 :::: 60.6
10/11/18 :::: 4.0 :::: 64.6
10/12/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 64.6
10/13/18 :::: 15.0 :::: 79.6
10/14/18 :::: 2.8 :::: 82.4
10/15/18 :::: 3.0 :::: 85.4
10/16/18 :::: 3.0 :::: 88.4
10/17/18 :::: 3.1 :::: 91.5
10/18/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 91.5
10/19/18 :::: 3.2 :::: 94.7
10/20/18 :::: 7.6 :::: 102.3
10/21/18 :::: 4.0 :::: 106.3
10/22/18 :::: 3.0 :::: 109.3
10/23/18 :::: 3.7 :::: 113.0
10/24/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 113.0
10/25/18 :::: 3.4 :::: 116.4
10/26/18 :::: 0.0 :::: 116.4
10/27/18 :::: 1.4 :::: 117.7
10/28/18 :::: 26.7 :::: 144.4
You guys. I ran a marathon today. I still can't believe it, but I certainly FELT it. On the good side - it was a perfect running weather day, after yesterday was miserably cold, rainy and windy we were so lucky to have a good cool and dry day. On the bad side, I was not at all impressed with the logistics of this race. We took a shuttle bus to the start from close to where we were staying (which was why we picked staying there). When we arrived, the line was huge. There were a lot of buses but they loaded them one at a time, very inefficiently. And then people started just showing up and getting on a bus, when there were hundreds of people waiting in line. It was so frustrating, and finally we cut in on a bus line ourselves in fear of never making it. We got to the start about 20 minutes late and were not last by a long shot. So it was not a great start, and I couldn't line up with a pacer or in an appropriate time grouping as it was already moving.
The race was so crowded that it was hard to navigate and to get a pace going. It remained pretty packed, and hardly thinned out the whole time. So many people were walking or walk/running, it was really hard. I felt pretty good through the first half and had to keep reminding myself to not push the pace too much. I saw my friend/one of our coaches on the blue mile, mile 12 where they honor the fallen, and gave her a hug. But didn't manage to see many of the others I knew in the race or spectating, it was just too crowded. About 15 miles in, my legs were tired and I wanted to be done. At 20 miles I really wanted to be done. I gathered a bit of energy from thinking of how now I was running farther than I ever had before, but it was rough. My legs and feet really hurt. And the last bits were through some places with no crowd support so that was tough. About mile 23 I knew I could finish but it was tough to embrace the suck on that. Finally the finish was in sight - but it was uphill right at the end which was a cruel thing to do. I made it across and then had to hobble along with everyone for quite a while to get through the finish area and out to the bag check and meet-up areas. The walk to get my bag was so long and I was freezing. Fortunately they gave us these paper jackets which were very helpful. Once I got my bag and took off my shoes I found I had the hugest blood blister on the side of my foot - no wonder that hurt - so I made my way to the medical tent and they pronounced it "impressive" and drained and bandaged it.
Overall, I'm really happy with how it went. My goals were to a) to finish b) finish under 5 hours and c) finish between 4:30 and 4:45 as a reach goal. I was close, and ended up with 4:47, which was a 10:57 average pace. Mile 6 was my fastest (some downhills) and mile 20 was my slowest. I think I did what I could do. I completed a marathon!
My legs are sore, I'm exhausted, but I'm happy. And I never want to do that again
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@katharmonic you are amazing and an inspiration. Congrats on your first marathon!3
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@katharmonic W00T! YOU DID IT! YOU ARE AMAZING! WELL DONE!2
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10/01 - 10 miles
10/02 - 0 miles
10/03 - 11 miles
10/04 - 9 miles
10/05 - 0
10/06 - 12? Forgot to start watch *grumble*
10/07 - 0
10/08 - 15.5
10/09 - 0 - had to take Jeep for inspection instead
10/10 - 0 miles - Driving
10/11 - 12.5 in the rain
...stuff happened...
10/18 - 12 miles
10/19 - No run, concert instead
10/20 - 11 miles
...stuff happened...
10/23 - 7.5 miles
10/24 - 0
10/25 - 12 miles
10/26 - Gluten
10/27 - Gluten
10/28 - 8 miles in the dark and rain
Upcoming Races:
Harvest 10 Miler - November 2018
Steel Challange 5k - May 2019
Pittsburgh Marathon - May 2019
Glacier Ridge 50k Trail Race - May 2019
--More as I find them - need to find a nice trail race
2021 - Disney World Dopey! (if can raise funds)
2019 GOAL: Knock a full hour off my 50k time at Glacier Ridge.1 -
@katharmonic Hooray! You made it! Great job on the time, you probably lost a bunch of time dealing with walkers too!2
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Congratulations @katharmonic!2
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Yesterday: 6.0 mile run, then 2.09 mile run.
Today: 3.75 miles treadmill. Very slow.
I feel so detrained so quickly. I got to get it back before my marathon in only 3 weeks.
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PastorVincent wrote: »@rheddmobile I always pin them on my shorts or tights so I can easily change upper layers if needed.
Yeah, this. I can not imagine a race where I am taking my bottoms off after I start, but I do add/remove tops as needed.
I do see runners using special bib belts, but to me, that is just one more thing to remember/keep track of and I already fail with my current list!
Guys check this out
@katharmonic CONGRATS!!! What an awesome achievement.2
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