do i go vegan?
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BruinsGal_91 wrote: »Gawd, and it's only Monday.
There must be some new woo "study" making the rounds - I've seen this "cheese = opioids" in a couple of places recently. Next thing you know, we'll all find out bananas have an effect like heroin on the human brain!!!
Aw, nobody better be swatting at bananas with the woo stick. I love to nibble on mine between sets. I usually have a couple a day.
If I were you I'd lay off them a few days and see if you get withdrawals. You never know...2 -
BruinsGal_91 wrote: »Gawd, and it's only Monday.
There must be some new woo "study" making the rounds - I've seen this "cheese = opioids" in a couple of places recently. Next thing you know, we'll all find out bananas have an effect like heroin on the human brain!!!
Aw, nobody better be swatting at bananas with the woo stick. I love to nibble on mine between sets. I usually have a couple a day.
If I were you I'd lay off them a few days and see if you get withdrawals. You never know...
Can't...guess I'm already addicted.
I'm doomed!3 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »BruinsGal_91 wrote: »Gawd, and it's only Monday.
There must be some new woo "study" making the rounds - I've seen this "cheese = opioids" in a couple of places recently. Next thing you know, we'll all find out bananas have an effect like heroin on the human brain!!!
If you love bananas like you love petting puppies, then yes.
I love bananas and I work with a lot of puppies.
I'm skeered
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After reading this thread I had 19 grams of extra sharp (a purer form) cheddar for dinner. Thought my habit was kicked, I am flying right now.
THIS is what a drug dealer looks like.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »BruinsGal_91 wrote: »Gawd, and it's only Monday.
There must be some new woo "study" making the rounds - I've seen this "cheese = opioids" in a couple of places recently. Next thing you know, we'll all find out bananas have an effect like heroin on the human brain!!!
If you love bananas like you love petting puppies, then yes.
I love bananas and I work with a lot of puppies.
I'm skeered
You might need to join Donkey Kong:
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nutmegoreo wrote: »BruinsGal_91 wrote: »Gawd, and it's only Monday.
There must be some new woo "study" making the rounds - I've seen this "cheese = opioids" in a couple of places recently. Next thing you know, we'll all find out bananas have an effect like heroin on the human brain!!!
If you love bananas like you love petting puppies, then yes.
I love bananas and I work with a lot of puppies.
I'm skeered
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nutmegoreo wrote: »BruinsGal_91 wrote: »Gawd, and it's only Monday.
There must be some new woo "study" making the rounds - I've seen this "cheese = opioids" in a couple of places recently. Next thing you know, we'll all find out bananas have an effect like heroin on the human brain!!!
If you love bananas like you love petting puppies, then yes.
I love bananas and I work with a lot of puppies.
I'm skeered
That definitely lit up the pleasure centres of my brain.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »BruinsGal_91 wrote: »Gawd, and it's only Monday.
There must be some new woo "study" making the rounds - I've seen this "cheese = opioids" in a couple of places recently. Next thing you know, we'll all find out bananas have an effect like heroin on the human brain!!!
If you love bananas like you love petting puppies, then yes.
I love bananas and I work with a lot of puppies.
I'm skeered
That made this thread worthwhile.5 -
An aside, addressed to newer vegetarians: If the idea that cheese uses animal rennet is new and distressing to you, be aware that vegetable rennet is a thing. Sometimes labels even designate. :drinker:
We're actually to the point in NZ now that most cheese is made with non-animal rennet. It's awesome!2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »An aside, addressed to newer vegetarians: If the idea that cheese uses animal rennet is new and distressing to you, be aware that vegetable rennet is a thing. Sometimes labels even designate. :drinker:
We're actually to the point in NZ now that most cheese is made with non-animal rennet. It's awesome!
The thrill is gone.0 -
BruinsGal_91 wrote: »Gawd, and it's only Monday.
There must be some new woo "study" making the rounds - I've seen this "cheese = opioids" in a couple of places recently. Next thing you know, we'll all find out bananas have an effect like heroin on the human brain!!!
Bananas contain serotonin. That's why they affect your brain like heroin. That's a fact, so you're not too far off.
P.S: it's actually true as a factoid, but the myths around it aren't. That serotonin does not cross into the brain.0 -
right now i’m already “vegetarian” (i wouldn’t say i’m full vegetarian bc maybe once a month i’ll have maybe a hamburger or chicken, but i eat completely vegetarian about 98% of the time) , last week i tested out a week going vegan and i was 50/50 - i liked that i had a little bit more restrictions and i managed to go a week without binging which is huge for me bc i’m i am a BIG binge eater, bc all the snacks i would binge on aren’t vegan, i felt better and i liked overall the idea of being vegan- there were a few cons i found- i was a bit more hungry and didn’t have as many options bc i couldn’t find any vegan meals i enjoyed bc i’m very picky so i ate a lot of the same stuff like vegan chicken nuggets and smoothies and the “diet” / “lifestyle” became a bit boring, i also really missed my cheese lol .. i just have seen a lot of different opinions on being vegan vs vegetarian- i’m just super torn and i just need some advice, i know in the end it is all up to me and how i feel but i would love to hear some opinions, do i go full vegan? and would going vegan truly improve my health as much as i hear people talk about it doing or is it just about the same as being vegetarian.. thanks in advance *edit: by benefits i’ve just heard a lot of people talk ab how being vegan improved their overall health and then there’s things like lower risk of heart disease and stuff like that*
I do what I want. Was vegan for 6+ years. Now I eat fish, eggs, cottage cheese. Veganism opened me up to alternatives-- any meal you can substitute. Welcomed more fruits and veggies in my life.I found cool foods (dragonfruit, jackfruit, lychee, chia seeds, veganaise, tofu, fieldroast, nutritional yeast, spaghetti squash, zoodles, sesame oil, sunbutter).
It is important to eat what makes you feel good. Ultimately depends on your reason. You can always test it by eating less dairy/byproducts and expanding your vegan options. Since you are already vegetarian, you can adapt into it quickly.
Ethics, exposure to documentaries and literature, ayurveda, yoga meditation, dairy allergy, and disgusted by animal body parts in my food drove me to veganism. I still shop in ethnic aisles, but opened my diet again. Initial vegan weeks were so light, but I got tired of feeling like I was restricting myself about where/what to eat, paying $15 for a salad without protein, B12 deficiency risk, protein and carb intake, long cooking time. Who knows if I will ever go back to carnivoring or veganism? 0 -
TavistockToad wrote: »You miss cheese because they line it with a chemical that's addicting. You won't miss it after awhile. Trust me.
It can seem like a vegan lifestyle is really restricting at first, but it's really not. It's new. It's drastically different. It can take awhile of experimenting before you find foods that you like. I'm always pro vegan. There isn't a need for us to eat meat or animal products. Especially dairy. There isn't anything healthy about putting another mammals hormones into your body that was made for baby calves. That's why some people see an improvement in their acne when they stop eating dairy - it's their hormones balancing out.
It's really easy to harm yourself with veganism if you don't know what you're doing. It's important for the diet to be varied. I would encourage you to experiment with the foods that you don't like and to see if there's a way to make them more appealing.
I don't want to make this comment too long. If you have any questions then feel free to ask me
I know how you line a skirt or a dress, but how do you line cheese?!
Yes, there are more vegan options everyday. Good points. According to my dermatologist, skim milk is related to hormonal acne (which I am currently treating). However, I did not eat dairy when I started getting acne 2 years ago so cannot say it is a for sure thing. I think skin clears up with more fruits, veggies, and water, so that could be another reason people experience better skin. Remember that there is pus in milk --eww! Dairy cravings do go away, much like sugar. Try Go VEGAN cheese (read carefully Go VEGGIE is not vegan), hummus, nutritional yeast (makes great alfredo sauce). What is it that you like about cheese? Flavor, texture, other foods it pairs with10 -
YourJuneInJan wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »You miss cheese because they line it with a chemical that's addicting. You won't miss it after awhile. Trust me.
It can seem like a vegan lifestyle is really restricting at first, but it's really not. It's new. It's drastically different. It can take awhile of experimenting before you find foods that you like. I'm always pro vegan. There isn't a need for us to eat meat or animal products. Especially dairy. There isn't anything healthy about putting another mammals hormones into your body that was made for baby calves. That's why some people see an improvement in their acne when they stop eating dairy - it's their hormones balancing out.
It's really easy to harm yourself with veganism if you don't know what you're doing. It's important for the diet to be varied. I would encourage you to experiment with the foods that you don't like and to see if there's a way to make them more appealing.
I don't want to make this comment too long. If you have any questions then feel free to ask me
I know how you line a skirt or a dress, but how do you line cheese?!
Yes, there are more vegan options everyday. Good points. According to my dermatologist, skim milk is related to hormonal acne (which I am currently treating). However, I did not eat dairy when I started getting acne 2 years ago so cannot say it is a for sure thing. I think skin clears up with more fruits, veggies, and water, so that could be another reason people experience better skin. Remember that there is pus in milk --eww! Dairy cravings do go away, much like sugar. Try Go VEGAN cheese (read carefully Go VEGGIE is not vegan), hummus, nutritional yeast (makes great alfredo sauce). What is it that you like about cheese? Flavor, texture, other foods it pairs with
Milk pus is as delicious as plant ovaries and insect public restrooms.
I'm curious: is skim milk structurally different enough from whole milk to cause different hormonal effects?7 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »An aside, addressed to newer vegetarians: If the idea that cheese uses animal rennet is new and distressing to you, be aware that vegetable rennet is a thing. Sometimes labels even designate. :drinker:
We're actually to the point in NZ now that most cheese is made with non-animal rennet. It's awesome!
Here in Wisconsin the majority use traditional rennet but there are enough dairies that use vegetable rennet and enough stores that import from other states and countries that people who are looking for it can find it.0 -
YourJuneInJan wrote: »What is it that you like about cheese? Flavor, texture, other foods it pairs with
I like the versatility, wide variety of flavors and textures, nutrition, and the fact that I am supporting local farmers and cheesemakers.
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Look at Forks over Knives. It is whole food plant based diet. They have a documentary Forks Over Knives. There is cookbooks and books. There is a fb community as well.12
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YourJuneInJan wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »You miss cheese because they line it with a chemical that's addicting. You won't miss it after awhile. Trust me.
It can seem like a vegan lifestyle is really restricting at first, but it's really not. It's new. It's drastically different. It can take awhile of experimenting before you find foods that you like. I'm always pro vegan. There isn't a need for us to eat meat or animal products. Especially dairy. There isn't anything healthy about putting another mammals hormones into your body that was made for baby calves. That's why some people see an improvement in their acne when they stop eating dairy - it's their hormones balancing out.
It's really easy to harm yourself with veganism if you don't know what you're doing. It's important for the diet to be varied. I would encourage you to experiment with the foods that you don't like and to see if there's a way to make them more appealing.
I don't want to make this comment too long. If you have any questions then feel free to ask me
I know how you line a skirt or a dress, but how do you line cheese?!
Yes, there are more vegan options everyday. Good points. According to my dermatologist, skim milk is related to hormonal acne (which I am currently treating). However, I did not eat dairy when I started getting acne 2 years ago so cannot say it is a for sure thing. I think skin clears up with more fruits, veggies, and water, so that could be another reason people experience better skin. Remember that there is pus in milk --eww! Dairy cravings do go away, much like sugar. Try Go VEGAN cheese (read carefully Go VEGGIE is not vegan), hummus, nutritional yeast (makes great alfredo sauce). What is it that you like about cheese? Flavor, texture, other foods it pairs with
i don't think you meant to quote me? :huh:1 -
losingthebubblewrap wrote: »Look at Forks over Knives. It is whole food plant based diet. They have a documentary Forks Over Knives. There is cookbooks and books. There is a fb community as well.
Forks Over Knives is not a documentary, it's a vegan propaganda piece.
In my opinion, most ways of eating can be healthy and sustainable for individuals who find they do best with some restrictions, or who find that eating or not eating certain foods is good for them, and/or satisfies ethical considerations. Some people would like to spread the word that their way of eating is best for everyone. In those situations, citing legitimate, peer-reviewed research (and there are legitimate studies out there that support various ways of eating) is going to go a lot further in convincing people to at least consider your viewpoint than throwing out fear-mongering attack pieces as your source.8 -
I just ate some cottage cheese, man... iseedeadpeople.
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@DoubleUbea "I am going to guess that the OP of this claim is a college student, college students know everything. She probably read that statement on a pro-vegan website and repeats it without verifying the information."
Umm, excuse me, I am a PhD student and I certainly don't think I know everything. In fact, the more I study, the more I realise I dont know! Please don't throw stereotypes around.
Unless I am mistaken @lcrizz is the originator of the wild cheese addiction claim. Why are you acting defensive?
Pms mate 3 -
I am a former vegan and I struggle with binge eating. I gave up veganism because it made my binging worse. At first I had the same experience you did and I dropped a lot of weight but over time the binging came back. Because vegan 'treats' like desserts and fast food are so rarely available I would end up binging whenever I had them. Like if I was at a vegan restaurant that had a lot of things like veggie burgers, fried chik'n sandwiches, cupcakes etc. my thought process would be ok, I won't have access to these things again for a long time so I need to get everything I want to eat.
Veganism is a very restrictive diet and I don't think most people could stick to it without any ethical motivation to do so. Personally I have a much better attitude towards food when I don't have any category restrictions. But this is just my experience and you may find you enjoy eating vegan after you figure out what staples you enjoy.3 -
There is a crap ton of vegan garbage food out there, including the fake meats you mention. I’m WFPB — and yes, it’s restrictive. Can be very hard to eat in restaurants. But to me, it’s worth it. My skin and digestion are drastically improved.5
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There is a crap ton of vegan garbage food out there, including the fake meats you mention. I’m WFPB — and yes, it’s restrictive. Can be very hard to eat in restaurants. But to me, it’s worth it. My skin and digestion are drastically improved.
It's so weird to me that vegans can look at what other vegans eat and call it "garbage." I'd like to think we have more in common than not, but stuff like this makes it really difficult to sense a common community.6 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »paperpudding wrote: ». Vegetarians EAT no animal products.
that isnt correct.
Vegetarians eat no meat or fish.
They do eat animal products like milk, honey, eggs, cheese.
a vegan eats no animal products - and yes, usually, makes other non animal choices that do not involve food - eg not wearing leather or wool.
But it is possible to be a vegan and still wear a woollen cardigan
Not according to the vegans and vegetarians I know. Vegetarians, by definition eat vegetable matter only. Some may self describe as ovo-lacto vegetarians (eat eggs and dairy) but that is not a true vegetarian. Vegetarians also have no problem with animal products like leather or with things like honey and caviar that are produced by animals. Vegans do. If it is produced by an animal, a vegan will not touch it.
Vegetarianism is how you eat. Veganism is how you live.
This is actually really variable. I'm a 25+ year vegetarian (lacto-ovo, never had anyone tell me I wasn't vegetarian), and my stance is 'nothing the animal dies for'. So that rules out leather, as well as animal by-products such as gelatine, food colourings derived from animals, etc. I know plenty of other vegetarians who share that stance.
Calfs do die for dairy though. In order for us to have milk, cows need to have babies, the babies are taken away at birth and either culled, crated or become veal. Also baby male chicks are often ground up alive as they are no good to the industry. Female chickens grow up then produce eggs for us to eat then when not laying enough eggs get killed. The Dairy and egg industries are not cruelty free and the animals do die.11 -
DoubleUbea wrote: »
I am going to guess that the OP of this claim is a college student, college students know everything. She probably read that statement on a pro-vegan website and repeats it without verifying the information.cerise_noir wrote: »Until you start posting valid sources, your claims are not valid. I’d like to know, what chemical?
Dihydrogen monoxide can be very lethal! If only more people knew of the dangers.cerise_noir wrote: »Do you consume DHMO?
Lmao at the Dihydrogen Monoixde comment.
Despite how dangerous it is, I am consuming it even as I type this...
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DoubleUbea wrote: »
I am going to guess that the OP of this claim is a college student, college students know everything. She probably read that statement on a pro-vegan website and repeats it without verifying the information.cerise_noir wrote: »Until you start posting valid sources, your claims are not valid. I’d like to know, what chemical?
Dihydrogen monoxide can be very lethal! If only more people knew of the dangers.cerise_noir wrote: »Do you consume DHMO?
Lmao at the Dihydrogen Monoixde comment.
Despite how dangerous it is, I am consuming it even as I type this...
I like to use the terms "hydrogen hydroxide" or "hydroxic acid", myself. Almost everyone has heard of dihydrogen monoxide, but those two are scary-sounding and are obscure enough to catch people out.1 -
Lauragribble2244 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »paperpudding wrote: ». Vegetarians EAT no animal products.
that isnt correct.
Vegetarians eat no meat or fish.
They do eat animal products like milk, honey, eggs, cheese.
a vegan eats no animal products - and yes, usually, makes other non animal choices that do not involve food - eg not wearing leather or wool.
But it is possible to be a vegan and still wear a woollen cardigan
Not according to the vegans and vegetarians I know. Vegetarians, by definition eat vegetable matter only. Some may self describe as ovo-lacto vegetarians (eat eggs and dairy) but that is not a true vegetarian. Vegetarians also have no problem with animal products like leather or with things like honey and caviar that are produced by animals. Vegans do. If it is produced by an animal, a vegan will not touch it.
Vegetarianism is how you eat. Veganism is how you live.
This is actually really variable. I'm a 25+ year vegetarian (lacto-ovo, never had anyone tell me I wasn't vegetarian), and my stance is 'nothing the animal dies for'. So that rules out leather, as well as animal by-products such as gelatine, food colourings derived from animals, etc. I know plenty of other vegetarians who share that stance.
Calfs do die for dairy though. In order for us to have milk, cows need to have babies, the babies are taken away at birth and either culled, crated or become veal. Also baby male chicks are often ground up alive as they are no good to the industry. Female chickens grow up then produce eggs for us to eat then when not laying enough eggs get killed. The Dairy and egg industries are not cruelty free and the animals do die.
Well aware of this, but thanks for the lecture.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »There is a crap ton of vegan garbage food out there, including the fake meats you mention. I’m WFPB — and yes, it’s restrictive. Can be very hard to eat in restaurants. But to me, it’s worth it. My skin and digestion are drastically improved.
It's so weird to me that vegans can look at what other vegans eat and call it "garbage." I'd like to think we have more in common than not, but stuff like this makes it really difficult to sense a common community.
Let’s face it, any WOE has crap food. My point is, being vegan isn’t a silver bullet for weight loss or health. Many of the vegan processed foods are just as calories dense as their regular counterparts.1 -
You miss cheese because they line it with a chemical that's addicting. You won't miss it after awhile. Trust me.
It can seem like a vegan lifestyle is really restricting at first, but it's really not. It's new. It's drastically different. It can take awhile of experimenting before you find foods that you like. I'm always pro vegan. There isn't a need for us to eat meat or animal products. Especially dairy. There isn't anything healthy about putting another mammals hormones into your body that was made for baby calves. That's why some people see an improvement in their acne when they stop eating dairy - it's their hormones balancing out.
It's really easy to harm yourself with veganism if you don't know what you're doing. It's important for the diet to be varied. I would encourage you to experiment with the foods that you don't like and to see if there's a way to make them more appealing.
I don't want to make this comment too long. If you have any questions then feel free to ask me
I don't know if someone's commented this already ... but they don't "line cheese with something addictive". Milk contains casein which releases opiates in the brain called casomorphines, this is so the calf comes back to the mum for more milk. It's naturally lined with an opiate because of evolution, not because the cheese industry what's you to eat more cheese.
Btw I'm vegan and I recommend a HEALTHY diet. You can be omni, veggie or plant based and still be healthy ... just focus on that before labelling yourself or if you do keep slipping up it'll just bring your mood down. Xx3
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