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If you drink Diet Coke obsessively....You might be a runner. What's that all about?
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Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Diet Coke is 99% water and actually hydrates you better than water.
Where did you get this chart from?
It’s an illustration of the results found from this study:
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/103/3/717/4564598
There’s another illustration of the same results found in the link but it isn’t as pretty.
I am just stuck on how you got some many oreo's in your mouth.. I strive to be you!3 -
It seems we moved past the original observation that all runners drink diet Coke, but just wanted to say that must be a regional thing? I'm a runner, and I just see water and/or sports drinks around here. And coffee seems to be the pre-workout of choice, and the post-workout social drinks of choice are coffee or beer.
Yeah, pretty much. I don't think there is any actual evidence for the runner/diet coke thing.0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »I challenge you to show that water is not good for you.
Also known as hydroxic acid, it is a powerful solvent (it's even known as "the universal solvent" because it can dissolve so many substances) found in many industrial cleaning agents, accelerates the corrosion of metals and the breakdown of wooden structures, and can cause death in a matter of minutes if aspirated into the lungs.
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I read in the past that people would shake up cocacola so that it becomes flat and drink it. It served the same purpose as a energy drink/energy shot. Dunno how much of it's true since i have never tried it.0
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makkimakki2018 wrote: »I read in the past that people would shake up cocacola so that it becomes flat and drink it. It served the same purpose as a energy drink/energy shot. Dunno how much of it's true since i have never tried it.
I don't like the taste of full fat (sugar!) coke, that's why I drink diet. So that's not something I'd want to try!2 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Not saying coke or diet coke is bad and it may not be however I challenge someone to show that it is good for you. Me I am a water drinker and a runner. I am also a keto person now so I guess I will skip the bagels with cheese and just hit the fruit. I know it is still carbs but the fruit carbs seem better for me....we'll see.
Why does Diet Coke have to be “good for you”? Why can’t it be neutral? Since it’s ~98% water anyway, and the ingredients are not shown to be harmful, if a person enjoys the taste of it why do they have to prove some health benefits in order to get your seal of approval?
Neutral is not good or bad. I only stated that I prefer not to have diet soda and never implied that soda drinkers need my approval. I guess I should not use good or bad as what I was getting at is benefit. I don't see me spending money on something that has zero calories and zero nutrition but thats just me.
Enjoyment?
Water has zero calories and zero nutrition but people spend all kinds of money on bottled waters, filters, etc.
Not me. I use a Hydro-flask and fill it several times a day, I highly recommend it. It can sit in a hot car and still keep water cold. I am cheap so this works better than bottled water for me. I am also fortunate that I have great water in my region that is fine without filtering. When I used bottled water in the past I would end up with many half empty bottles to dispose of. I think we can all agree the are bodies need water but there are other ways to get it like diet coke if you enjoy that more. Once again we are dealing with personal preference here so nobody is wrong here.
I find the bolded funny because this is the point that everyone else was trying to make that you challenged by saying "prove to me that diet coke is good for you." You are fantastic at switching up your statements when you can no longer defend your position.
It was a round about way to say if I don't get any nutrition or calories I don't see why I would want to drink it. I asked for others to list any benefit to drinking it and the best I got was it hydrates as well as water. The obvious miss is that it tastes good to some but not me.2 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Not saying coke or diet coke is bad and it may not be however I challenge someone to show that it is good for you. Me I am a water drinker and a runner. I am also a keto person now so I guess I will skip the bagels with cheese and just hit the fruit. I know it is still carbs but the fruit carbs seem better for me....we'll see.
Challenge accepted.
As shown earlier in the thread, soda (regular or diet) hydrates at least as well as water, thus it is very good for you (seeing as how hydration is critical for life).
From there, there are no known negative affects to offset the health benefits of proper hydration gained by drinking soda.
Regular soda can be calorie dense and not very filling so may make it more difficult to maintain a proper intake of energy but otherwise has no ingredients which are harmful to your health.
Diet soda is essentially calorie free and also has no ingredients which are harmful to your health and thus the choice between hydrating with water vs diet coke boils down to preference.
Diet Coke is as good for you as water.
I challenge you to show that water is not good for you.
Challenge accepted!
Water is good for you, done. I know what you meant but you asked me "to show water is not good for you" (for the humor impaired this is meant to be funny but not hilarious)
Saying that diet soda hydrates as well as water may be true but it also includes CARBONATED WATER, CARAMEL COLOR, ASPARTAME, PHOSPHORIC ACID, POTASSIUM BENZOATE (TO PROTECT TASTE), NATURAL FLAVORS, CITRIC ACID, CAFFEINE.
While all of these may not have a dangerous or harmful effect that does not mean they have no effect. Take regular cola for example it has high fructose sweeteners which are not necessarily bad however in some people it causes insulin resistance issues. Anyway I just prefer water and can do without diet soda as a personal preference. If further down the road any of these ingredients are found to be a negative I will be unaffected. If water is found to be bad for me I am doomed.
There was no typo. I meant "show me that water is not good for you."
Point is that diet soda does all the good things for you that water does. If water is good for you then so is Diet Coke.
As to the bolded, your statement is as relevant as saying "your desk may be good for sitting at but it also contains WOOD, FORMICA, BRASS, ALUMINUM, RUBBER. These may not be harmful but that doesn't mean they don't have an effect."
If things aren't bad for you, they aren't bad for you. "They may not be bad for you but may still be bad for you" is a senseless thing to say.
Also, insulin resistance is not caused by intake of high fructose sweeteners (or any sugar for that matter).
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overview/what-is-diabetes/prediabetes-insulin-resistance8 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Diet Coke is 99% water and actually hydrates you better than water.
Where did you get this chart from?
It’s an illustration of the results found from this study:
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/103/3/717/4564598
There’s another illustration of the same results found in the link but it isn’t as pretty.
I am just stuck on how you got some many oreo's in your mouth.. I strive to be you!
I have another pic where I fit five. The four was a better pose for the avatar, though. lol3 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Not saying coke or diet coke is bad and it may not be however I challenge someone to show that it is good for you. Me I am a water drinker and a runner. I am also a keto person now so I guess I will skip the bagels with cheese and just hit the fruit. I know it is still carbs but the fruit carbs seem better for me....we'll see.
Challenge accepted.
As shown earlier in the thread, soda (regular or diet) hydrates at least as well as water, thus it is very good for you (seeing as how hydration is critical for life).
From there, there are no known negative affects to offset the health benefits of proper hydration gained by drinking soda.
Regular soda can be calorie dense and not very filling so may make it more difficult to maintain a proper intake of energy but otherwise has no ingredients which are harmful to your health.
Diet soda is essentially calorie free and also has no ingredients which are harmful to your health and thus the choice between hydrating with water vs diet coke boils down to preference.
Diet Coke is as good for you as water.
I challenge you to show that water is not good for you.
Challenge accepted!
Water is good for you, done. I know what you meant but you asked me "to show water is not good for you" (for the humor impaired this is meant to be funny but not hilarious)
Saying that diet soda hydrates as well as water may be true but it also includes CARBONATED WATER, CARAMEL COLOR, ASPARTAME, PHOSPHORIC ACID, POTASSIUM BENZOATE (TO PROTECT TASTE), NATURAL FLAVORS, CITRIC ACID, CAFFEINE.
While all of these may not have a dangerous or harmful effect that does not mean they have no effect. Take regular cola for example it has high fructose sweeteners which are not necessarily bad however in some people it causes insulin resistance issues. Anyway I just prefer water and can do without diet soda as a personal preference. If further down the road any of these ingredients are found to be a negative I will be unaffected. If water is found to be bad for me I am doomed.
HFCS doesn't cause insulin resistance. And I'm sure there's some logical fallacy for what you just did, other than the ongoing natural fallacy you have going on.
For a novel proposition, I'm an odd case study. I drink water AND diet soda. A lot of both, actually. I like both equally. They serve different functions as beverages for me.3 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Diet Coke is 99% water and actually hydrates you better than water.
Where did you get this chart from?
It’s an illustration of the results found from this study:
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/103/3/717/4564598
There’s another illustration of the same results found in the link but it isn’t as pretty.
I am just stuck on how you got some many oreo's in your mouth.. I strive to be you!
I have another pic where I fit five. The four was a better pose for the avatar, though. lol
But you ate all 9, didn't you?
(It's page 5 - I'm allowed to jump in with a totally unrelated comment now, right?)3 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »I challenge you to show that water is not good for you.
Also known as hydroxic acid, it is a powerful solvent (it's even known as "the universal solvent" because it can dissolve so many substances) found in many industrial cleaning agents, accelerates the corrosion of metals and the breakdown of wooden structures, and can cause death in a matter of minutes if aspirated into the lungs.
As a teen, I trolled my friends and family with an email calling for them to sign a petition to ban the deadly dihydrogen monoxide. lol4 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Not saying coke or diet coke is bad and it may not be however I challenge someone to show that it is good for you. Me I am a water drinker and a runner. I am also a keto person now so I guess I will skip the bagels with cheese and just hit the fruit. I know it is still carbs but the fruit carbs seem better for me....we'll see.
Why does Diet Coke have to be “good for you”? Why can’t it be neutral? Since it’s ~98% water anyway, and the ingredients are not shown to be harmful, if a person enjoys the taste of it why do they have to prove some health benefits in order to get your seal of approval?
Neutral is not good or bad. I only stated that I prefer not to have diet soda and never implied that soda drinkers need my approval. I guess I should not use good or bad as what I was getting at is benefit. I don't see me spending money on something that has zero calories and zero nutrition but thats just me.
Enjoyment?
Water has zero calories and zero nutrition but people spend all kinds of money on bottled waters, filters, etc.
Not me. I use a Hydro-flask and fill it several times a day, I highly recommend it. It can sit in a hot car and still keep water cold. I am cheap so this works better than bottled water for me. I am also fortunate that I have great water in my region that is fine without filtering. When I used bottled water in the past I would end up with many half empty bottles to dispose of. I think we can all agree the are bodies need water but there are other ways to get it like diet coke if you enjoy that more. Once again we are dealing with personal preference here so nobody is wrong here.
I find the bolded funny because this is the point that everyone else was trying to make that you challenged by saying "prove to me that diet coke is good for you." You are fantastic at switching up your statements when you can no longer defend your position.
It was a round about way to say if I don't get any nutrition or calories I don't see why I would want to drink it. I asked for others to list any benefit to drinking it and the best I got was it hydrates as well as water. The obvious miss is that it tastes good to some but not me.
No sense drinking water if all it's gonna do is hydrate you.8 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Not saying coke or diet coke is bad and it may not be however I challenge someone to show that it is good for you. Me I am a water drinker and a runner. I am also a keto person now so I guess I will skip the bagels with cheese and just hit the fruit. I know it is still carbs but the fruit carbs seem better for me....we'll see.
Challenge accepted.
As shown earlier in the thread, soda (regular or diet) hydrates at least as well as water, thus it is very good for you (seeing as how hydration is critical for life).
From there, there are no known negative affects to offset the health benefits of proper hydration gained by drinking soda.
Regular soda can be calorie dense and not very filling so may make it more difficult to maintain a proper intake of energy but otherwise has no ingredients which are harmful to your health.
Diet soda is essentially calorie free and also has no ingredients which are harmful to your health and thus the choice between hydrating with water vs diet coke boils down to preference.
Diet Coke is as good for you as water.
I challenge you to show that water is not good for you.
Challenge accepted!
Water is good for you, done. I know what you meant but you asked me "to show water is not good for you" (for the humor impaired this is meant to be funny but not hilarious)
Saying that diet soda hydrates as well as water may be true but it also includes CARBONATED WATER, CARAMEL COLOR, ASPARTAME, PHOSPHORIC ACID, POTASSIUM BENZOATE (TO PROTECT TASTE), NATURAL FLAVORS, CITRIC ACID, CAFFEINE.
While all of these may not have a dangerous or harmful effect that does not mean they have no effect. Take regular cola for example it has high fructose sweeteners which are not necessarily bad however in some people it causes insulin resistance issues. Anyway I just prefer water and can do without diet soda as a personal preference. If further down the road any of these ingredients are found to be a negative I will be unaffected. If water is found to be bad for me I am doomed.
There was no typo. I meant "show me that water is not good for you."
Point is that diet soda does all the good things for you that water does. If water is good for you then so is Diet Coke.
As to the bolded, your statement is as relevant as saying "your desk may be good for sitting at but it also contains WOOD, FORMICA, BRASS, ALUMINUM, RUBBER. These may not be harmful but that doesn't mean they don't have an effect."
If things aren't bad for you, they aren't bad for you. "They may not be bad for you but may still be bad for you" is a senseless thing to say.
Also, insulin resistance is not caused by intake of high fructose sweeteners (or any sugar for that matter).
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overview/what-is-diabetes/prediabetes-insulin-resistance
I will take all this in if I decide to eat my desk2 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Diet Coke is 99% water and actually hydrates you better than water.
Where did you get this chart from?
It’s an illustration of the results found from this study:
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/103/3/717/4564598
There’s another illustration of the same results found in the link but it isn’t as pretty.
I am just stuck on how you got some many oreo's in your mouth.. I strive to be you!
I have another pic where I fit five. The four was a better pose for the avatar, though. lol
But you ate all 9, didn't you?
(It's page 5 - I'm allowed to jump in with a totally unrelated comment now, right?)
Just 9??? What kind of chump do you take me for?2 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Not saying coke or diet coke is bad and it may not be however I challenge someone to show that it is good for you. Me I am a water drinker and a runner. I am also a keto person now so I guess I will skip the bagels with cheese and just hit the fruit. I know it is still carbs but the fruit carbs seem better for me....we'll see.
Challenge accepted.
As shown earlier in the thread, soda (regular or diet) hydrates at least as well as water, thus it is very good for you (seeing as how hydration is critical for life).
From there, there are no known negative affects to offset the health benefits of proper hydration gained by drinking soda.
Regular soda can be calorie dense and not very filling so may make it more difficult to maintain a proper intake of energy but otherwise has no ingredients which are harmful to your health.
Diet soda is essentially calorie free and also has no ingredients which are harmful to your health and thus the choice between hydrating with water vs diet coke boils down to preference.
Diet Coke is as good for you as water.
I challenge you to show that water is not good for you.
Challenge accepted!
Water is good for you, done. I know what you meant but you asked me "to show water is not good for you" (for the humor impaired this is meant to be funny but not hilarious)
Saying that diet soda hydrates as well as water may be true but it also includes CARBONATED WATER, CARAMEL COLOR, ASPARTAME, PHOSPHORIC ACID, POTASSIUM BENZOATE (TO PROTECT TASTE), NATURAL FLAVORS, CITRIC ACID, CAFFEINE.
While all of these may not have a dangerous or harmful effect that does not mean they have no effect. Take regular cola for example it has high fructose sweeteners which are not necessarily bad however in some people it causes insulin resistance issues. Anyway I just prefer water and can do without diet soda as a personal preference. If further down the road any of these ingredients are found to be a negative I will be unaffected. If water is found to be bad for me I am doomed.
There was no typo. I meant "show me that water is not good for you."
Point is that diet soda does all the good things for you that water does. If water is good for you then so is Diet Coke.
As to the bolded, your statement is as relevant as saying "your desk may be good for sitting at but it also contains WOOD, FORMICA, BRASS, ALUMINUM, RUBBER. These may not be harmful but that doesn't mean they don't have an effect."
If things aren't bad for you, they aren't bad for you. "They may not be bad for you but may still be bad for you" is a senseless thing to say.
Also, insulin resistance is not caused by intake of high fructose sweeteners (or any sugar for that matter).
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overview/what-is-diabetes/prediabetes-insulin-resistance
I will take all this in if I decide to eat my desk
Pork sausage too! It may not be bad for you but it has PEPPER, SALT, HERBS, SPICES...
Do you see how silly it is to capitalize harmless ingredients as though we should be afraid of them?9 -
makkimakki2018 wrote: »I read in the past that people would shake up cocacola so that it becomes flat and drink it. It served the same purpose as a energy drink/energy shot. Dunno how much of it's true since i have never tried it.
Flat Coke was the old school sports drink in the cycling community back before sports drinks were commonly available. It's mostly just water with sugar and a bit of caffiene to give you a boost on a long ride. It was normally "flattened" by opening the bottle and leaving the cap off the day before. Even today, when pro road racers grab their musette bags in the feed zones of a race, there's often a can of Coke in there.
FWIW, fig newtons were the Powerbar of their day.2 -
makkimakki2018 wrote: »I read in the past that people would shake up cocacola so that it becomes flat and drink it. It served the same purpose as a energy drink/energy shot. Dunno how much of it's true since i have never tried it.
Flat Coke was the old school sports drink in the cycling community back before sports drinks were commonly available. It's mostly just water with sugar and a bit of caffiene to give you a boost on a long ride. It was normally "flattened" by opening the bottle and leaving the cap off the day before. Even today, when pro road racers grab their musette bags in the feed zones of a race, there's often a can of Coke in there.
FWIW, fig newtons were the Powerbar of their day.
still very common on ironman courses - most sports drinks give me gut rot, but coke works just fine1 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Diet Coke is 99% water and actually hydrates you better than water.
Where did you get this chart from?
It’s an illustration of the results found from this study:
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/103/3/717/4564598
There’s another illustration of the same results found in the link but it isn’t as pretty.
I am just stuck on how you got some many oreo's in your mouth.. I strive to be you!
I have another pic where I fit five. The four was a better pose for the avatar, though. lol
But you ate all 9, didn't you?
(It's page 5 - I'm allowed to jump in with a totally unrelated comment now, right?)
Just 9??? What kind of chump do you take me for?
Oh Em Gee. And we are neighbors. I am going to come steal the rest of your cookies and re-enact your pose.1 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »I challenge you to show that water is not good for you.
Also known as hydroxic acid, it is a powerful solvent (it's even known as "the universal solvent" because it can dissolve so many substances) found in many industrial cleaning agents, accelerates the corrosion of metals and the breakdown of wooden structures, and can cause death in a matter of minutes if aspirated into the lungs.
As a teen, I trolled my friends and family with an email calling for them to sign a petition to ban the deadly dihydrogen monoxide. lol
Petitions to end "insert victim group here" sufferage are also quite illuminating.1 -
Could have an eating disorder. Could be a runner. Maybe both.4
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purintoast wrote: »Could have an eating disorder. Could be a runner. Maybe both.
Eating disorder or runner are the only two scenarios where drinking diet soda makes sense?4 -
purintoast wrote: »Could have an eating disorder. Could be a runner. Maybe both.
Maybe a running disorder?????3 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »I challenge you to show that water is not good for you.
Also known as hydroxic acid, it is a powerful solvent (it's even known as "the universal solvent" because it can dissolve so many substances) found in many industrial cleaning agents, accelerates the corrosion of metals and the breakdown of wooden structures, and can cause death in a matter of minutes if aspirated into the lungs.
As a teen, I trolled my friends and family with an email calling for them to sign a petition to ban the deadly dihydrogen monoxide. lol
I like the terms "hydroxic acid" or "hydrogen hydroxide" because lots of people have heard of DHMO by now, but those two are still obscure enough to catch people out.0 -
purintoast wrote: »Could have an eating disorder. Could be a runner. Maybe both.
Or maybe you just like diet soda?
Diet Coke isn't my thing, but I drink a lot of diet ginger ale. Because I like it. There's really no deep seated reason for it.3 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Diet Coke is 99% water and actually hydrates you better than water.
Where did you get this chart from?
It’s an illustration of the results found from this study:
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/103/3/717/4564598
There’s another illustration of the same results found in the link but it isn’t as pretty.
I am just stuck on how you got some many oreo's in your mouth.. I strive to be you!
I have another pic where I fit five. The four was a better pose for the avatar, though. lol
But you ate all 9, didn't you?
(It's page 5 - I'm allowed to jump in with a totally unrelated comment now, right?)
Just 9??? What kind of chump do you take me for?
Certainly not the kind who would start an Ode to Oreos thread on a fitness site
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »purintoast wrote: »Could have an eating disorder. Could be a runner. Maybe both.
Or maybe you just like diet soda?
Diet Coke isn't my thing, but I drink a lot of diet ginger ale. Because I like it. There's really no deep seated reason for it.
Nah.
Pretty sure it makes you a serial killer.....2 -
The most beneficial thing you can drink after a run is whatever replaces not only the water you have lost from the physical exertion but also the electrolytes you have lost. That is why you should just drink your own sweat. But if you find it difficult to collect your sweat for later consumption then diet coke or some sort of sports beverage would probably work to. Or water and something salty as a snack...or you know, whatever, because honestly your body can generally handle itself through its regulatory mechanisms provided you continue to drink liquids and eat foods.7
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Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »I challenge you to show that water is not good for you.
Also known as hydroxic acid, it is a powerful solvent (it's even known as "the universal solvent" because it can dissolve so many substances) found in many industrial cleaning agents, accelerates the corrosion of metals and the breakdown of wooden structures, and can cause death in a matter of minutes if aspirated into the lungs.
As a teen, I trolled my friends and family with an email calling for them to sign a petition to ban the deadly dihydrogen monoxide. lol
Petitions to end "insert victim group here" sufferage are also quite illuminating.
who wants to end victim voting rights? Oh wait...now I get it.1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »purintoast wrote: »Could have an eating disorder. Could be a runner. Maybe both.
Or maybe you just like diet soda?
Diet Coke isn't my thing, but I drink a lot of diet ginger ale. Because I like it. There's really no deep seated reason for it.
No...you must have deep seated reasons for everything, has this forum not taught you anything?2 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Not saying coke or diet coke is bad and it may not be however I challenge someone to show that it is good for you. Me I am a water drinker and a runner. I am also a keto person now so I guess I will skip the bagels with cheese and just hit the fruit. I know it is still carbs but the fruit carbs seem better for me....we'll see.
Challenge accepted.
As shown earlier in the thread, soda (regular or diet) hydrates at least as well as water, thus it is very good for you (seeing as how hydration is critical for life).
From there, there are no known negative affects to offset the health benefits of proper hydration gained by drinking soda.
Regular soda can be calorie dense and not very filling so may make it more difficult to maintain a proper intake of energy but otherwise has no ingredients which are harmful to your health.
Diet soda is essentially calorie free and also has no ingredients which are harmful to your health and thus the choice between hydrating with water vs diet coke boils down to preference.
Diet Coke is as good for you as water.
I challenge you to show that water is not good for you.
Well, honestly, I don't know that I would agree that water is "good" for you. I think things that are "good" or "bad" cannot be necessary. If something is necessary then it doesn't make sense to layer some sort of moral judgment on top of it. Water isn't "good", it is essential.
I wouldn't say that eating is "good" for you or breathing is "good" for you either. Honestly you can argue that a lot of the damage that occurs to your body is through water and oxidation cleavage reactions it tends to initiate. Things that are necessary for life (read water, oxygen etc) tend to be things that are very chemically reactive and therefore very destructive to matter. You want to preserve something? Just take away the oxygen and water. But sort of tough *kitten* because you require it so not like you have a choice.
...and no, I didn't miss your point it was well made. I just decided to ignore your point and go on a tangent :-)1
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