February 2019 Monthly Running Challenge
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@7lenny7 I had one GU gel 15 minutes prior to the race start, and then after that it was just the Gatorade.
I think the average runner burns around 100 calories per mile, and stores about 2000 carb calories, which is why you tend to see people hitting the wall at around the 20 mile mark. According to Garmin, I burned a little over 2100 calories for the entire race, so my guess is I've become a little more economical with my running over time, and can therefore get through the race without needing to take on as much extra fuel during it.
With three extra years of running, and the type of running you do, I would very much imagine that you have much more endurance now to try for that sub-four. Just plan on a good fueling strategy, because once you're empty, pace goes out of the window and it's too late to take on extra fuel.12 -
@girlinahat No, I'm not Dutch, I'm British (hence the arm sleeves) and a naturalised American...I normally wear green, but the last time I wore green calf sleeves with those shoes, a reference to Elf on the Shelf was tossed around.
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@7lenny7 I had one GU gel 15 minutes prior to the race start, and then after that it was just the Gatorade.
I think the average runner burns around 100 calories per mile, and stores about 2000 carb calories, which is why you tend to see people hitting the wall at around the 20 mile mark. According to Garmin, I burned a little over 2100 calories for the entire race, so my guess is I've become a little more economical with my running over time, and can therefore get through the race without needing to take on as much extra fuel during it.
With three extra years of running, and the type of running you do, I would very much imagine that you have much more endurance now to try for that sub-four. Just plan on a good fueling strategy, because once you're empty, pace goes out of the window and it's too late to take on extra fuel.
For my first I went through a lot of nutrition calculations to figure out what I needed and that worked well. When I got into ultras I realized that it was a lot easier to test maximum hourly energy consumption on long runs then maximize consumption during the race. I'm not sure if that would translate well to a marathon since I'd be running harder. I'd have to do more testing at marathon pace.
Yep, I need to break 4 hours. I don't know when or where, but I need to put something on my long term plan8 -
@girlinahat No, I'm not Dutch, I'm British (hence the arm sleeves) and a naturalised American...I normally wear green, but the last time I wore green calf sleeves with those shoes, a reference to Elf on the Shelf was tossed around.
Aww. We loved that life sized elf. Think of how many kiddos would have wanted to run a marathon like that elf! ( I wanna run a marathon like that elf).
I had an acquaintance that had the elf with the box... Uh, inspired by the SNL skit with Justin Timberlake... Its lewd so dont google it if you're prude. Haha! So... Love the elf... 😊7 -
@7lenny7 I had one GU gel 15 minutes prior to the race start, and then after that it was just the Gatorade.
I think the average runner burns around 100 calories per mile, and stores about 2000 carb calories, which is why you tend to see people hitting the wall at around the 20 mile mark. According to Garmin, I burned a little over 2100 calories for the entire race, so my guess is I've become a little more economical with my running over time, and can therefore get through the race without needing to take on as much extra fuel during it.
With three extra years of running, and the type of running you do, I would very much imagine that you have much more endurance now to try for that sub-four. Just plan on a good fueling strategy, because once you're empty, pace goes out of the window and it's too late to take on extra fuel.
For my first I went through a lot of nutrition calculations to figure out what I needed and that worked well. When I got into ultras I realized that it was a lot easier to test maximum hourly energy consumption on long runs then maximize consumption during the race. I'm not sure if that would translate well to a marathon since I'd be running harder. I'd have to do more testing at marathon pace.
Yep, I need to break 4 hours. I don't know when or where, but I need to put something on my long term plan
Pittsburgh! May 2019! With me! 4 is my magic wall. I broke it for the first time last year. Hope to do it again this year.
I walk the water stops. Drink the Gatorade and eat 3 Clif blocks every hour for a street marathon. So I guess I am taking on 100-200 calories per hour.2 -
@girlinahat No, I'm not Dutch, I'm British (hence the arm sleeves) and a naturalised American...I normally wear green, but the last time I wore green calf sleeves with those shoes, a reference to Elf on the Shelf was tossed around.
'twas a lot of orange......
now you said green all you need for St. Patrick's Day would be to dye your hair ginger and we'd make a leprechaun out of you.
go on, go on, go on, go on....9 -
Question for the group RE: Running a 5K race during marathon training. It just dawned on me that I really haven't done this before. But I am signed up for a 5K on Saturday, right in the thick of my marathon training. For those that do this regularly, how do you handle your long run mileage for the weekend? Do you build it around your 5K or do you do it the next day? As luck would have it, I should be running my first of three twenties this weekend. I plan to do a 3 mile warm up before my race, so that will get me at least 6 for Saturday. I could always do another 14 afterwards, but I am not sure how I like that idea, especially because history has proven that I am incapable of taking it easy during a race. On the other hand, I am worried about how I am going to feel on Sunday after a 5K race in the cold. Any thoughts or perils of wisdom?0
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lporter229 wrote: »Question for the group RE: Running a 5K race during marathon training. It just dawned on me that I really haven't done this before. But I am signed up for a 5K on Saturday, right in the thick of my marathon training. For those that do this regularly, how do you handle your long run mileage for the weekend? Do you build it around your 5K or do you do it the next day? As luck would have it, I should be running my first of three twenties this weekend. I plan to do a 3 mile warm up before my race, so that will get me at least 6 for Saturday. I could always do another 14 afterwards, but I am not sure how I like that idea, especially because history has proven that I am incapable of taking it easy during a race. On the other hand, I am worried about how I am going to feel on Sunday after a 5K race in the cold. Any thoughts or perils of wisdom?
Well most of y'all think I am nutters, but I would just run the 5k, and then later that day or the next day run the full 20 as per the plan. The whole point of the plan is that you are running the 20 when you are at a deficit to start with, so the 5k plays into that.3 -
PastorVincent wrote: »lporter229 wrote: »Question for the group RE: Running a 5K race during marathon training. It just dawned on me that I really haven't done this before. But I am signed up for a 5K on Saturday, right in the thick of my marathon training. For those that do this regularly, how do you handle your long run mileage for the weekend? Do you build it around your 5K or do you do it the next day? As luck would have it, I should be running my first of three twenties this weekend. I plan to do a 3 mile warm up before my race, so that will get me at least 6 for Saturday. I could always do another 14 afterwards, but I am not sure how I like that idea, especially because history has proven that I am incapable of taking it easy during a race. On the other hand, I am worried about how I am going to feel on Sunday after a 5K race in the cold. Any thoughts or perils of wisdom?
Well most of y'all think I am nutters, but I would just run the 5k, and then later that day or the next day run the full 20 as per the plan. The whole point of the plan is that you are running the 20 when you are at a deficit to start with, so the 5k plays into that.
That's what I'd do. But I'd try really hard not to go all out at the 5k. I'd want my 20 miles to be in a single run if possible. Not broken up.
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PastorVincent wrote: »@7lenny7 I had one GU gel 15 minutes prior to the race start, and then after that it was just the Gatorade.
I think the average runner burns around 100 calories per mile, and stores about 2000 carb calories, which is why you tend to see people hitting the wall at around the 20 mile mark. According to Garmin, I burned a little over 2100 calories for the entire race, so my guess is I've become a little more economical with my running over time, and can therefore get through the race without needing to take on as much extra fuel during it.
With three extra years of running, and the type of running you do, I would very much imagine that you have much more endurance now to try for that sub-four. Just plan on a good fueling strategy, because once you're empty, pace goes out of the window and it's too late to take on extra fuel.
For my first I went through a lot of nutrition calculations to figure out what I needed and that worked well. When I got into ultras I realized that it was a lot easier to test maximum hourly energy consumption on long runs then maximize consumption during the race. I'm not sure if that would translate well to a marathon since I'd be running harder. I'd have to do more testing at marathon pace.
Yep, I need to break 4 hours. I don't know when or where, but I need to put something on my long term plan
Pittsburgh! May 2019! With me! 4 is my magic wall. I broke it for the first time last year. Hope to do it again this year.
I walk the water stops. Drink the Gatorade and eat 3 Clif blocks every hour for a street marathon. So I guess I am taking on 100-200 calories per hour.
That would be fun! I even have a nephew in Pittsburgh. But, that's just two weeks after a 50 mile race and 2 weeks before the Superior Spring 50k. I need to take it easy this year after surgery and we'll likely be sailing that weekend, or at least getting the boat prepped.1 -
PastorVincent wrote: »@7lenny7 I had one GU gel 15 minutes prior to the race start, and then after that it was just the Gatorade.
I think the average runner burns around 100 calories per mile, and stores about 2000 carb calories, which is why you tend to see people hitting the wall at around the 20 mile mark. According to Garmin, I burned a little over 2100 calories for the entire race, so my guess is I've become a little more economical with my running over time, and can therefore get through the race without needing to take on as much extra fuel during it.
With three extra years of running, and the type of running you do, I would very much imagine that you have much more endurance now to try for that sub-four. Just plan on a good fueling strategy, because once you're empty, pace goes out of the window and it's too late to take on extra fuel.
For my first I went through a lot of nutrition calculations to figure out what I needed and that worked well. When I got into ultras I realized that it was a lot easier to test maximum hourly energy consumption on long runs then maximize consumption during the race. I'm not sure if that would translate well to a marathon since I'd be running harder. I'd have to do more testing at marathon pace.
Yep, I need to break 4 hours. I don't know when or where, but I need to put something on my long term plan
Pittsburgh! May 2019! With me! 4 is my magic wall. I broke it for the first time last year. Hope to do it again this year.
I walk the water stops. Drink the Gatorade and eat 3 Clif blocks every hour for a street marathon. So I guess I am taking on 100-200 calories per hour.
That would be fun! I even have a nephew in Pittsburgh. But, that's just two weeks after a 50 mile race and 2 weeks before the Superior Spring 50k. I need to take it easy this year after surgery and we'll likely be sailing that weekend, or at least getting the boat prepped.
I have a 50k 6 days after and a 5k the day before. Not phasing me Besides your nephew really misses you. 
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PastorVincent wrote: »BettyM1017 wrote: »14miles / 50 miles
Hmmmm....I need to pick it up a bit if I'm going to make my goal this month.
Nah, just run like 25 miles today and you will be well on your way
Lol!! Sure! Wait...No. Just No.
I should say, not yet. It is my goal to be able to run a full marathon by next year. I have a plan. Hopefully my old body will follow it!9 -
Friday I ran 48 min again for my current "long run". From the get-go I could tell my heart rate was back into that stupid high range again and was not going to go well. So I decided to take a 1 min walk break every 12 minutes to try and get a little relief. Didn't do anything Sat/Sun because I seem to have turned into a total lazy bum on weekends. Monday I did a 30 min run and again, high heart rate, even higher than Friday. It's worth noting that during the time that I was making progress on my HR while running my resting HR had gone down and my resting HR is now higher again. So I don't know what's up but I'm feeling discouraged that I haven't actually made any progress in fitness. Maybe I was hydrating better for awhile and need to get back to it?
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PastorVincent wrote: »Today was my version of speed work. I set my elcheapo deadmill to 7mph and 5.5% grade (probably move to 6% soon) and run till my watch tells me I hit 7 miles. The watch (with foot pod) is a more trustworthy measuring device than my slip and slide dreadmill. With the dreadmill forcing the foot turn over I am running much faster than I would have outside.
Seems to help my race times at least though the 20-mile run I have in my plan for Sunday will happen outdoors or not at all.
I use my dreadmill for every other tempo run for the same reason. I have to hit a specific speed or slam into the wall behind me, lol. There's no cheating this one, and it gets me used to what my target speed should feel like.5 -
Yesterday was a rest day and I actually rested! No dog walk or anything. First time I've done that intentionally. I didn't even have to shovel the driveway because my husband was doing that when I woke up at 4:30. And then today? It snowed twice as much, I got up an hour earlier and he was still already out there shoveling. With as much snow as there was on the roads, I just wasn't interested in trying to run this morning. I'll have to use the treadmill after work tonight, unless by some miracle they've plowed all of the streets. Please oh please oh please...6
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@shanaber I hope your daughter can get to work soon—maybe today! This has been really rough on anyone whose income depends on being able to get anywhere (or have others get places!)
@7lenny7 Yes, the produce aisles were totally bare!
More snow days here, but I went to work yesterday despite it being closed—one bus route is fairly accessible, even though it’s not my normal one. In part I went because of the fitness room in my work basement, so I could get some TM miles in. But I changed in the locker room in the early afternoon, and the fitness room was locked!
Argh! So I immediately shifted gears and found the snow route bus to my gym, which was open, got my 3 mi in, had a nice sauna, and then hoofed it the 2 steep snowy miles home. And then shoveled my sidewalk and that of 2 of my neighbors. Whew! And then we lost power all evening. Now on to hoping my plane to NYC will be ok tomorrow, and that I can get through some of my backlog of work today (campus is still closed, but at least that makes for a quiet office—and they had the heat on yesterday, which is better than weekends)
Photo of my happy sledder who thinks this is all a blast!
February goal: 40 mi
2/2 5.1 mi
2/4 3.1 mi (after snowboarding)
2/5 cross (4 hours snowboarding)
2/6 3.1 mi TM
2/7 rest
2/8 cross (45 min xcountry skiing)
2/9 4 mi TM (25 min xcountry skiing)
2/10 rest/cross (2.5 hours snowboarding)
2/11 3 mi TM
Feb total: 18.3 mi8 -
greenolivetree wrote: »Friday I ran 48 min again for my current "long run". From the get-go I could tell my heart rate was back into that stupid high range again and was not going to go well. So I decided to take a 1 min walk break every 12 minutes to try and get a little relief. Didn't do anything Sat/Sun because I seem to have turned into a total lazy bum on weekends. Monday I did a 30 min run and again, high heart rate, even higher than Friday. It's worth noting that during the time that I was making progress on my HR while running my resting HR had gone down and my resting HR is now higher again. So I don't know what's up but I'm feeling discouraged that I haven't actually made any progress in fitness. Maybe I was hydrating better for awhile and need to get back to it?
@greenolivetree - How are you sleeping? I find that when I don't get enough sleep or the quality isn't good my RHR goes up by as much as 10. It also goes up when my body is generally fatigued from too many workouts.6 -
greenolivetree wrote: »Friday I ran 48 min again for my current "long run". From the get-go I could tell my heart rate was back into that stupid high range again and was not going to go well. So I decided to take a 1 min walk break every 12 minutes to try and get a little relief. Didn't do anything Sat/Sun because I seem to have turned into a total lazy bum on weekends. Monday I did a 30 min run and again, high heart rate, even higher than Friday. It's worth noting that during the time that I was making progress on my HR while running my resting HR had gone down and my resting HR is now higher again. So I don't know what's up but I'm feeling discouraged that I haven't actually made any progress in fitness. Maybe I was hydrating better for awhile and need to get back to it?
@greenolivetree - How are you sleeping? I find that when I don't get enough sleep or the quality isn't good my RHR goes up by as much as 10. It also goes up when my body is generally fatigued from too many workouts.
I never get as much sleep as my body would like. I operate on my husband's schedule which is he gets up at 5 and I drag myself up about 30-45 min later. Then he conveniently goes to sleep in his chair after dinner and I'm a night owl so I don't usually go to sleep until 10:30. I have been noticing myself getting really sleepy in the evening so last night I just went to sleep at 8:40! I'm usually super crabby in the morning and struggle to feel awake a long time after I'm actually up. I'd feel much better on a good 8-9 hours of sleep. That's how much I would sleep naturally if my husband wasn't such a dang early bird. We are so opposite. But with that said, I haven't gotten any less sleep than what is normal. I just consider myself constantly sleep-deprived :-p 7 -
Ran out of time for my planned 4 mile run today as my school unexpectedly closed due to an impending snowstorm in the middle of my workout so that was great. So the decimal is back lmao. I’ll even it out tomorrow 🤷♀️
February runs:
2/1: 3.5 miles
2/2: 5 miles
2/5: 4.3 miles
2/6: 2.2 miles
2/7: 3.5 miles
2/9: 5 miles
2/11: 0.5 miles
2/12: 3.75 miles
Cumulative total for February: 27.75/55 or 63.5 miles8 -
I feel like I've fallen off the horse. I planned on missing 5 runs last week due to a ski trip. However, I returned on Friday and haven't gotten back out there and I have a race on Sunday morning. It's so hard for me to get back in the groove when I miss a few runs even for a valid reason. How do you break that habit of sort of "falling apart"?9
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06/02 3.23 miles
09/02 3.26 miles
11/02 3.25 miles
12/02 3.28 miles
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greenolivetree wrote: »Friday I ran 48 min again for my current "long run". From the get-go I could tell my heart rate was back into that stupid high range again and was not going to go well. So I decided to take a 1 min walk break every 12 minutes to try and get a little relief. Didn't do anything Sat/Sun because I seem to have turned into a total lazy bum on weekends. Monday I did a 30 min run and again, high heart rate, even higher than Friday. It's worth noting that during the time that I was making progress on my HR while running my resting HR had gone down and my resting HR is now higher again. So I don't know what's up but I'm feeling discouraged that I haven't actually made any progress in fitness. Maybe I was hydrating better for awhile and need to get back to it?
Liked for your decision to take walking breaks when needed. And we all need to be lazy bums sometimes, so I hope you enjoyed your weekend! How are you measuring your heart rate? Are you sure it's accurate? I am personally of the opinion that hydration is generally overrated unless your workout lasts more than an hour, but I might be in a minority there.2 -
Lazy_Bones_1985 wrote: »I feel like I've fallen off the horse. I planned on missing 5 runs last week due to a ski trip. However, I returned on Friday and haven't gotten back out there and I have a race on Sunday morning. It's so hard for me to get back in the groove when I miss a few runs even for a valid reason. How do you break that habit of sort of "falling apart"?
@Lazy_Bones_1985 sorry to hear your in a funk. It's happened to me before too. Go get your running gear on and go for a walk with no expectations. If you feel like running, run. If you'd rather walk, fine. If you do start running, just enjoy it and see where it takes you. Don't worry about pace or distance (other than getting back home).
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Lazy_Bones_1985 wrote: »I feel like I've fallen off the horse. I planned on missing 5 runs last week due to a ski trip. However, I returned on Friday and haven't gotten back out there and I have a race on Sunday morning. It's so hard for me to get back in the groove when I miss a few runs even for a valid reason. How do you break that habit of sort of "falling apart"?
Pick a goal that's ridiculously, laughably easy for you, and do it at the first possible opportunity. Say two laps around the block before your shower in the morning. Ten minutes on the treadmill after work. Chances are once you're out there, you'll be up to do more, but if not, then no big deal! Then do it again the next day, and the next, and so on.6 -
BettyM1017 wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »BettyM1017 wrote: »14miles / 50 miles
Hmmmm....I need to pick it up a bit if I'm going to make my goal this month.
Nah, just run like 25 miles today and you will be well on your way
Lol!! Sure! Wait...No. Just No.
I should say, not yet. It is my goal to be able to run a full marathon by next year. I have a plan. Hopefully my old body will follow it!
lol this is kinda my strategy, I have done next to no running the last week (see shoe drama earlier in thread) but now I have new shoes, I'm picking up my old plan (5k per day, 5 days a week) and doing a 20k run/walk this weekend - its for charity though. No idea how much I'm going to run, hopefully half of it. But will see, its been a month since I've done anything greater than about 6k for various reasons.
So further to that, took the new shoes for a 5k this morning. No knee pains (yay!). They felt great. I "noticed" my posterior tibial tendon, not enough to say it hurt, but enough to say I noticed it. So Ill be keeping an eye on that, but by the end of Saturday I'll know for sure. I'm quietly confident because in the past when Ive had issues with that, it wasn't hurting when running, only when walking after. so will see. I just so sensitive about it because that issue stopped me running for almost a month.7 -
Lazy_Bones_1985 wrote: »I feel like I've fallen off the horse. I planned on missing 5 runs last week due to a ski trip. However, I returned on Friday and haven't gotten back out there and I have a race on Sunday morning. It's so hard for me to get back in the groove when I miss a few runs even for a valid reason. How do you break that habit of sort of "falling apart"?
I have absolutely done this before. Vacations used to be a habit killer for me. Like @7lenny7 said, just going out for a walk or like a 1 mile run with no other plans and seeing where it takes you is a good idea. I have used that strategy before and it usually kicks me back in gear. I'll admit that now I just don't take breaks of more than a few days and will even run on vacation at least once just to keep the habit going. I'm sure once you get out once or twice you'll be looking forward to it again!1 -
MegaMooseEsq wrote: »greenolivetree wrote: »Friday I ran 48 min again for my current "long run". From the get-go I could tell my heart rate was back into that stupid high range again and was not going to go well. So I decided to take a 1 min walk break every 12 minutes to try and get a little relief. Didn't do anything Sat/Sun because I seem to have turned into a total lazy bum on weekends. Monday I did a 30 min run and again, high heart rate, even higher than Friday. It's worth noting that during the time that I was making progress on my HR while running my resting HR had gone down and my resting HR is now higher again. So I don't know what's up but I'm feeling discouraged that I haven't actually made any progress in fitness. Maybe I was hydrating better for awhile and need to get back to it?
Liked for your decision to take walking breaks when needed. And we all need to be lazy bums sometimes, so I hope you enjoyed your weekend! How are you measuring your heart rate? Are you sure it's accurate? I am personally of the opinion that hydration is generally overrated unless your workout lasts more than an hour, but I might be in a minority there.
I wear a Fitbit Charge 3 all the time, so that's why I noted my resting HR also went up during the week also, besides the higher HR while running. That's why I was thinking overall dehydration because I have weeks where I do better and weeks where I live off Diet Coke :-p0
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