So now I’m being told Keto is the only effective way to lose weight?
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pjayperrin wrote: »Nope. It's really all about creating a moderate, slow calorie deficit consistently enough (read "months") to allow your body to lose excess fat gradually (1-2 pound per week max). I've tried cutting too many calories too quickly, and my body says "we must be starving, so no fat loss." And if I cut down but don't do it consistently for weeks into months, my body says "oh, this isn't something we're doing for very long, so no fat loss." LOL
Remember: Our amazing bodies have survived over millions of years because of our ability to store fat very well, and to maintain balance, or homeostasis. Work WITH your body, and all will balance out.
it's too bad that it didn't work this way for all the people that are actually starving to death. why didn't their bodies say "no fat loss" and keep cruising along? starvation mode is a myth.21 -
If you like to eat that way and it keeps you in a calorie deficit, then keto is best for you. It sounds miserable to me, so as long as my pancakes and sloppy joes fit my calories, that's what I choose to eat. I must be doing something right, because I lost 100lbs.9
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Keto has worked for a lot of people! It’s an easy restrictive diet because you can substitute a lot of high carbohydrate foods. And protein and fat are yummy to eat!
The biggest problem I have with keto is that after you’ve lost your weight and want to eat like you did before, you gain because your body just naturally retains water when eating higher carbohydrates (not fat). And then they tout that carbs are the devil “because they made me gain”. I feel like there’s certainly a lot of fat loss from keto (calorie deficit) but the extra losses are just water.
This is the big problem with Keto and other restrictive diets. If someone is not going to eat Keto for life, then it is not a very effective long term weight loss solicitation. There are a lot of stories of people losing on Keto, but almost as many of people gaining it back when they stop doing it. So I think for most people, unless they genuinely like the Ketogenic way of eating and feel like they could continue with it long term, it is better to just moderate intake of the foods you like to eat, so you can sustain it better once you lose the weight.
I agree. I am going to be on a high protein, moderate fat, low carb diet for the rest of my life. It is not even be a diet at this point, it is already a life style.
Earlier you stated you were doing Keto, but the bolded above is not keto... Keto is high fat, moderate protein, low carb
Medically therapeutic keto is high fat, lower protein and super low carbs, but most people who are following keto for weight loss (at least the ones that I am aware of) are pretty much splitting the protein and fat while keeping the carbs super low. The only thing really required to get into (and maintain ketosis) is to keep the carbs at a low enough level that the body uses fats for the majority of it's energy because of the lack of glucose from carbs.8 -
Just for personal reference: I have lost the same amount of weight, in the same period of time, with just calorie counting than I did with Keto (Which was also calorie counting, btw). Absolutely no other differences, except now I am not filled with rage because I can eat bread.17
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I just wanted to chime in here and say that I once worked with a client who was on keto to control her seizures and she was over weight/ border line obese so it is certainly not a "miracle guaranteed to lose weight diet" as some claim it to be. It did however work wonders for controlling her seizures.15
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As others have said, it all boils down to having a calorie deficit. I tried Keto and absolutely despised it so it would not have worked for me to lose weight. I eat whatever I want while watching my portions and making sure I am in a deficit. Down 56 lbs with 19 to go.5
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I’m at goal weight and a healthy BMI again (lost around 30lb to get here and 80lb my first time around) I have never been keto4
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Down 125 lbs, maintaining over 1 year, never did keto. I eat lower carb because I am diabetic but aim for about 150 g / day and never in ketosis.8
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Obviously, since the idea has been stated over and over, you don't need to do keto to lose weight.
Regarding sustainability, I tend to agree that as long as a person understands the underlying fundamental principles of weight management (calorie balance), it really doesn't matter if keto is sustainable or not.
I've had to tweak my own macro mix several times over the four years I've been managing my weight with calorie counting, but since I'm overarchingly aware that it's the calories that matter, the macro mix I'm eating has been irrelevant.
Saying that keto is something that needs to be sustainable in order to be undertaken divorces it from the fact that keto, in order to affect a person's weight, still needs to have a proper impact on that person's calorie goals, whether that person is using keto's satiating effects to create a deficit or somehow eating to maintain or actively tracking to meet certain goals.
Keto is just a macro mix that might suit someone in terms of satiety at some point in their weight management. It might stop suiting them. As long as they know they can still manage their weight by managing their caloric intake in some other way, it doesn't matter if they plan to keep eating that way.
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I'm seeing alot of Dr Fung fans on alot of groups I'm in on Facebook
Arthritis group? Keto and Dr Fung
Pcos support? Dr Fung
Thyroid group? Dr bleeping Fung
It's really annoying me. I'm in the group's because I have autoimmune diseases, Dr Fung isn't an expert in those conditions but because he vomits out buzz words people treat him like Thier lord and saviour28 -
ruqayyahsmum wrote: »I'm seeing alot of Dr Fung fans on alot of groups I'm in on Facebook
Arthritis group? Keto and Dr Fung
Pcos support? Dr Fung
Thyroid group? Dr bleeping Fung
It's really annoying me. I'm in the group's because I have autoimmune diseases, Dr Fung isn't an expert in those conditions but because he vomits out buzz words people treat him like Thier lord and saviour
give him some type of credit. some things he says obviously resonates with a lot of psople. Ive always heard...take what you can use and leave the rest......I dont understand why some people think that when a popular doctor is just that...popular that they think one is supposed to believe and follow every single thing he or she says.. We dont have to do that. Take what applies or helps you or take nothing at all. Its all good people.....😊21 -
lleeann2001 wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »I'm seeing alot of Dr Fung fans on alot of groups I'm in on Facebook
Arthritis group? Keto and Dr Fung
Pcos support? Dr Fung
Thyroid group? Dr bleeping Fung
It's really annoying me. I'm in the group's because I have autoimmune diseases, Dr Fung isn't an expert in those conditions but because he vomits out buzz words people treat him like Thier lord and saviour
give him some type of credit. some things he says obviously resonates with a lot of psople. Ive always heard...take what you can use and leave the rest......I dont understand why some people think that when a popular doctor is just that...popular that they think one is supposed to believe and follow every single thing he or she says.. We dont have to do that. Take what applies or helps you or take nothing at all. Its all good people.....😊
It's all good . . . except for cynical snake-oil salesmanship. :flowerforyou:18 -
lleeann2001 wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »I'm seeing alot of Dr Fung fans on alot of groups I'm in on Facebook
Arthritis group? Keto and Dr Fung
Pcos support? Dr Fung
Thyroid group? Dr bleeping Fung
It's really annoying me. I'm in the group's because I have autoimmune diseases, Dr Fung isn't an expert in those conditions but because he vomits out buzz words people treat him like Thier lord and saviour
give him some type of credit. some things he says obviously resonates with a lot of psople. Ive always heard...take what you can use and leave the rest......I dont understand why some people think that when a popular doctor is just that...popular that they think one is supposed to believe and follow every single thing he or she says.. We dont have to do that. Take what applies or helps you or take nothing at all. Its all good people.....😊
Because even though a stopped watch is correct twice a day, you can't rely on it to tell you what time it is.21 -
lleeann2001 wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »I'm seeing alot of Dr Fung fans on alot of groups I'm in on Facebook
Arthritis group? Keto and Dr Fung
Pcos support? Dr Fung
Thyroid group? Dr bleeping Fung
It's really annoying me. I'm in the group's because I have autoimmune diseases, Dr Fung isn't an expert in those conditions but because he vomits out buzz words people treat him like Thier lord and saviour
give him some type of credit. some things he says obviously resonates with a lot of psople. Ive always heard...take what you can use and leave the rest......I dont understand why some people think that when a popular doctor is just that...popular that they think one is supposed to believe and follow every single thing he or she says.. We dont have to do that. Take what applies or helps you or take nothing at all. Its all good people.....😊
It's all good . . . except for cynical snake-oil salesmanship. :flowerforyou:
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I lost 60 pounds (and maintained it for 3 years now) using just MFP/ calorie counting and have no idea what “Keto” is. And don’t care.9
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Fitnessgirl0913 wrote: »I just wanted to chime in here and say that I once worked with a client who was on keto to control her seizures and she was over weight/ border line obese so it is certainly not a "miracle guaranteed to lose weight diet" as some claim it to be. It did however work wonders for controlling her seizures.
Therapy for seizures is why the keto diet was developed about 100 years ago and time has shown it to be effective for many with seizure disorders. If it was also a miracle weight loss diet, people would have been put on it decades ago.
I have no problem with keto if it helps a person stick with a calorie deficit. Personally, I can't do it because I need to eat low-ish fat due to no gallbladder and my system doesn't process fats as well without it.4 -
I decided to try keto to see what the buzz was about and it’s pretty awesome, it’s easy. Wish I knew about it back In high school when I had no idea how to lose weight.
If you need a structured plan, I’d say give it shot.17 -
I am doing low carb and who ever told you that is very ignorant. High carb low fat diet works as well as the many other diets. If you are experiencing diabetes than there is an advantage of keto since it has some positive results with people who tried it. Other than that there is no basis for what you were told.6
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lleeann2001 wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »I'm seeing alot of Dr Fung fans on alot of groups I'm in on Facebook
Arthritis group? Keto and Dr Fung
Pcos support? Dr Fung
Thyroid group? Dr bleeping Fung
It's really annoying me. I'm in the group's because I have autoimmune diseases, Dr Fung isn't an expert in those conditions but because he vomits out buzz words people treat him like Thier lord and saviour
give him some type of credit. some things he says obviously resonates with a lot of psople. Ive always heard...take what you can use and leave the rest......I dont understand why some people think that when a popular doctor is just that...popular that they think one is supposed to believe and follow every single thing he or she says.. We dont have to do that. Take what applies or helps you or take nothing at all. Its all good people.....😊
Why should he be given credit for posing as an expert on conditions that he doesn't specialize in?15 -
janejellyroll wrote: »lleeann2001 wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »I'm seeing alot of Dr Fung fans on alot of groups I'm in on Facebook
Arthritis group? Keto and Dr Fung
Pcos support? Dr Fung
Thyroid group? Dr bleeping Fung
It's really annoying me. I'm in the group's because I have autoimmune diseases, Dr Fung isn't an expert in those conditions but because he vomits out buzz words people treat him like Thier lord and saviour
give him some type of credit. some things he says obviously resonates with a lot of psople. Ive always heard...take what you can use and leave the rest......I dont understand why some people think that when a popular doctor is just that...popular that they think one is supposed to believe and follow every single thing he or she says.. We dont have to do that. Take what applies or helps you or take nothing at all. Its all good people.....😊
Why should he be given credit for posing as an expert on conditions that he doesn't specialize in?
I DONT KNOW!!!!!!!!!2 -
I just want to weigh in here very angrily because if that was true I would have to completely give up beer, and those are fighting words.7
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travelerscode wrote: »I just want to weigh in here very angrily because if that was true I would have to completely give up beer, and those are fighting words.
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I had an ex-friend suggest that I do Keto. I asked why. They said because it's the only true way of losing weight and carbs are evil. They became "worried" with the amount of carbs I was eating (I post food pics on my FB account).
I told ex-friend that if I go too low with carbs, my digestive system goes haywire. I tried low-carb keto-esque diet about a decade ago - not for me. She lost me as a friend when she tried to give me medical advice that I may have an autoimmune disorder etc. I told her to go and *kitten* herself.
OP - calorie in < calorie out is the only weight-loss plan I follow. Worked for me in the past; working for me now.7 -
@vanityy99
Could you explain keto to me.... I just don’t get it with the macros1 -
@vanityy99
Could you explain keto to me.... I just don’t get it with the macros
@emmyjo23 quick keto macros: set your carbs to 5%, leave your protein at the default 20%, and fill the rest with fat.
For more details join this group and read the stickies: https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum4 -
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Hey Mike,
I am a nurse and I am doing Keto right now because, medically they are discovering a lot of things about keto that are good for the human body. One reason is because of the negative effects of sugar on people. Sugar causes inflammation in the body, or should I say it feeds inflammation in the body. They have done studies on cancer pts and found that those who went without sugar recovered better then those who did not. Excess sugar in the diet also leads to insulin resistance, diabetes, fatty liver, heart problems ect.
The short answer to this is because when the body spends all its time processing sugar & carbohydrates into fat it has little time to do anything else. As sugar has increased in the American diet we, as a nation have become sicker and sicker. And its not just fat people who are sick. If you are thin and not getting the right amount of nutrients then you can also be sick.
On you tube there are a few doctors who I recommend checking out their videos if you are interested in learning about or trying Keto
one is Dr Ken Berry and the other is Dr Jason Fung, another good reference is Dr Eric Berg who is not an MD but still very knowledgable on the subject and has a lot of information as well as medical references on his youtube channel. All of these doctors have a wealth of information on the topic. I use them to keep me motivated and also for information. Good luck on your journey!
What studies on cancer are you referencing here?
What does it mean for your body not to have "time" to do other things while processing carbohydrates? My understanding is that our bodies are capable of performing multiple tasks at the same time. While we're digesting food, our other bodily functions aren't suspended.24 -
If it's the only way, then how did folks do it before? 🤓17
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Hey Mike,
I am a nurse and I am doing Keto right now because, medically they are discovering a lot of things about keto that are good for the human body. One reason is because of the negative effects of sugar on people. Sugar causes inflammation in the body, or should I say it feeds inflammation in the body. They have done studies on cancer pts and found that those who went without sugar recovered better then those who did not. Excess sugar in the diet also leads to insulin resistance, diabetes, fatty liver, heart problems ect.
The short answer to this is because when the body spends all its time processing sugar & carbohydrates into fat it has little time to do anything else. As sugar has increased in the American diet we, as a nation have become sicker and sicker. And its not just fat people who are sick. If you are thin and not getting the right amount of nutrients then you can also be sick.
On you tube there are a few doctors who I recommend checking out their videos if you are interested in learning about or trying Keto
one is Dr Ken Berry and the other is Dr Jason Fung, another good reference is Dr Eric Berg who is not an MD but still very knowledgable on the subject and has a lot of information as well as medical references on his youtube channel. All of these doctors have a wealth of information on the topic. I use them to keep me motivated and also for information. Good luck on your journey!
Yikes, so much misinformation in this post
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