can I get opinions on the keto diet vs. just counting calories and staying under 1200?
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3v0l1s0m1283 wrote: »nighthawk584 wrote: »3v0l1s0m1283 wrote: »so when a fat person wants to lose 30 pounds it's cool, people want to help. but when I ask simple questions it's "seek help" 😂😂😂😂
The problem is, you will not take any critique at all from experienced people on this forum... This and another recent post of yours looks like you are seeking some quick fix non- sustainable and dangerous diets. What do you expect us to assume? We aren't going to cheer lead something like this! Good luck!
"quick fix, non-sustainable diets" um. no. im asking general questions about things I have heard about. yes im trying to quickly lose weight but after I lose at least half of it I was gonna take it more slow... I can't even go home for Christmas because my whole family relentless talks about my weight the whole time and ruins everything. I recently got married and not even 5 minutes before, my dad told me I gained so much weight and how awful I look. I need to lose the weight before Christmas or at the very least 10 pounds of it. you probably don't know what it's like to have to literally hide yourself from your family because of your weight but it's awful, I've missed last Christmas, birthdays, Thanksgiving, etc and I can't keep on this way. no one will ever understand. I just wanted to advice and now I see that literally no one wants to help and it's cool. like I said I'll figure it out on my own. or either spend another holiday without going to see my family bc I just can't handle it. like thanks for making me feel even worse it's sure did help alot ..
I do understand. I had an abusive family as well. The problem is not your weight, it’s your family. Just because they want you to become unhealthy doesn’t mean you have to do it. Look your dad in his eyes and say, “I’m sorry you would say such a thing to me, it really hurts my feelings. I’m not fat, I’m normal weight, and I don’t appreciate you pushing me to become anorexic. If you can’t treat me with respect I won’t be able to visit you anymore.”
You’re a grownup married lady now, and now is the time to make changes in how your family treats you. You are not the baby to be pushed around!
I know this isn’t easy at all, believe me. But I’m not kidding. Look yourself in the mirror and practice saying what you want to say. Rehearse when you want to say it. You have a spouse, which means you have a partner to back you up. Get your spouse to help you.
Did you know that being underweight is associated with an even higher rate of mortality than being overweight? You have to become morbidly obese - 100 lbs or so overweight - before you see a rate of mortality equal to that of being underweight. Being underweight is really not good for you. Losing weight in an unhealthy fashion, which you would have to do to quickly lose 30 lbs and get to a BMI of 17, is something that kills people, every day, all over the world. They literally DIE because of it, usually because of heart problems. That’s why people are telling you to seek help. It’s not because they don’t understand, it’s because they do understand.20 -
3v0l1s0m1283 wrote: »so when a fat person wants to lose 30 pounds it's cool, people want to help. but when I ask simple questions it's "seek help" 😂😂😂😂
Um, yeah, when a fat person wants to lose weight it is cool, when a normal person wants to lose weight it’s potentially deadly. Like, actual death. You do get that, right? Your former weight wasn’t healthy for you. That you want to be unhealthy is a good reason to seek help. Also, you should seek help because your family is toxic and no one deserves to deal with a toxic family alone.21 -
3v0l1s0m1283 wrote: »im asking general questions about things I have heard about. yes im trying to quickly lose weight but after I lose at least half of it I was gonna take it more slow... I can't even go home for Christmas because my whole family relentless talks about my weight the whole time and ruins everything. I recently got married and not even 5 minutes before, my dad told me I gained so much weight and how awful I look. I need to lose the weight before Christmas or at the very least 10 pounds of it. you probably don't know what it's like to have to literally hide yourself from your family because of your weight but it's awful, I've missed last Christmas, birthdays, Thanksgiving, etc and I can't keep on this way. no one will ever understand. I just wanted to advice and now I see that literally no one wants to help and it's cool. like I said I'll figure it out on my own. or either spend another holiday without going to see my family bc I just can't handle it. like thanks for making me feel even worse it's sure did help alot ..
Christmas is in 10 days. You are not going to lose 10 pounds of fat by Christmas, period, end of story. Doesn't matter whether you post here or not, starve yourself, work out all day, there is literally nothing you can do to lose 10 pounds of fat in 10 days. So, you have set yourself a goal that cannot be met, no matter what you do. I suggest you rethink that.
I think you would be very surprised to learn what others have been through in terms of hiding from family, doctors, high school reunions, whatever, due to weight. For me, it was running into some coworkers from way back in my up-and-coming mgmt/executive days in my 20's at an outdoor event some 20 years later - last time they'd seen me I was 5'11" and around 205 lbs and wearing svelte suits with a 36" waist; when I ran into them I was 330 lbs in size 50 jeans and my 3x shirt, or maybe it was a 4x. The experience was completely humiliating and I didn't want to go outdoors or see anyone from my past again for a very long time. I've done doctor avoidance and such, too. Everyone's got their stories and issues. Don't know if that makes you feel better or worse, but for better or worse, you don't own the shame and humiliation of obesity -- there's a lot of stockholders in that.19 -
Your family sounds toxic, unfortunately.
Did you add some weight recently because of non typical, for you, type of eating? I don't doubt you did. And I don't doubt that there might be some legitimate component to a slight correction to that, which is NOT what you're proposing.
You're angry because you're not receiving unconditional support in doing yourself additional harm.
Not only additional; but actually worse harm than either of the easily available options such as not losing weight, or not visiting your family if the visit causes such stress.
Self preservation comes before societal acceptance.
There will be a Christmas next year that you can approach with a healthy mind set if you choose to work hard to find and take advantage of any help you can get to sort out the toxic from the non toxic in your life.
Given the family situation you describe needing help is... human!
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So yeah, it looks like the OP went through and hit disagree on everyone telling her being underweight is still not okay and her family is not cool. I’m sorry but not surprised.
OP, if you ever get to a place where you want real help to become healthy and fit, not just thin (it’s My Fitness Pal not My Lose weight at any cost Pal) and maybe want some support making real, healthy changes in your life, we will be here for you.
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3v0l1s0m1283 wrote: »nighthawk584 wrote: »3v0l1s0m1283 wrote: »so when a fat person wants to lose 30 pounds it's cool, people want to help. but when I ask simple questions it's "seek help" 😂😂😂😂
The problem is, you will not take any critique at all from experienced people on this forum... This and another recent post of yours looks like you are seeking some quick fix non- sustainable and dangerous diets. What do you expect us to assume? We aren't going to cheer lead something like this! Good luck!
"quick fix, non-sustainable diets" um. no. im asking general questions about things I have heard about. yes im trying to quickly lose weight but after I lose at least half of it I was gonna take it more slow... I can't even go home for Christmas because my whole family relentless talks about my weight the whole time and ruins everything. I recently got married and not even 5 minutes before, my dad told me I gained so much weight and how awful I look. I need to lose the weight before Christmas or at the very least 10 pounds of it. you probably don't know what it's like to have to literally hide yourself from your family because of your weight but it's awful, I've missed last Christmas, birthdays, Thanksgiving, etc and I can't keep on this way. no one will ever understand. I just wanted to advice and now I see that literally no one wants to help and it's cool. like I said I'll figure it out on my own. or either spend another holiday without going to see my family bc I just can't handle it. like thanks for making me feel even worse it's sure did help alot ..
Talking specifically to the bold statement.
What most often happens is that you never get to the 'slowly' phase because the 'quickly' phase is so unsustainable that it fails before it completes. The value of a weight loss approach isn't measured in lbs or speed, but in ease and longevity. The slow, easy, effortless program that you can stick with long term is a billion times more effective than the fast method that only lasts a week, a month or even a year.10 -
3v0l1s0m1283 wrote: »nighthawk584 wrote: »3v0l1s0m1283 wrote: »so when a fat person wants to lose 30 pounds it's cool, people want to help. but when I ask simple questions it's "seek help" 😂😂😂😂
The problem is, you will not take any critique at all from experienced people on this forum... This and another recent post of yours looks like you are seeking some quick fix non- sustainable and dangerous diets. What do you expect us to assume? We aren't going to cheer lead something like this! Good luck!
"quick fix, non-sustainable diets" um. no. im asking general questions about things I have heard about. yes im trying to quickly lose weight but after I lose at least half of it I was gonna take it more slow... I can'just t even go home for Christmas because my whole family relentless talks about my weight the whole time and ruins everything. I recently got married and not even 5 minutes before, my dad told me I gained so much weight and how awful I look. I need to lose the weight before Christmas or at the very least 10 pounds of it. you probably don't know what it's like to have to literally hide yourself from your family because of your weight but it's awful, I've missed last Christmas, birthdays, Thanksgiving, etc and I can't keep on this way. no one will ever understand. I just wanted to advice and now I see that literally no one wants to help and it's cool. like I said I'll figure it out on my own. or either spend another holiday without going to see my family bc I just can't handle it. like thanks for making me feel even worse it's sure did help alot ..
That's awful. But the problem isn't your weight. Your problem is a lack of boundaries. It's highly unlikely your family will start respecting you or your boundaries just because you lose weight. If they treat you like that, why do you feel you're "missing" time spent with them?12 -
I am in the calorie counting camp... But, it must be acknowledged that it doesn't tell you what nor how to eat. It just says "stop" at this point. I think more people like keto, because it has guidelines around "what" to eat instead of just when to stop eating (e.g. a calorie limit).4
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Keto has been amazing for me so far. There are so many things that have improved for me. It calmed down my anxiety, improved my sleep, improved my depression, helped me take control of my food addiction, put me completely in control of my actions and delivered amazing weight loss on top of it all. I feel a deep clarity. I was definitely eating too many carbs.4
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Also, as far as the drama in the thread goes, I don't understand why people are trying to stop you from losing weight or saying you NEED to eat at least 1200 calories. You're 130 lbs which means you got a little bit to lose for sure based on your own description of your weight gain, but 100 lbs sounds extreme to me. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I can't tell, but I'm leaning towards too extreme. I say the best way to judge what you should be losing truly is by your body fat %. BMI isn't 100% accurate, everyone is different.2
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rheddmobile wrote: »So yeah, it looks like the OP went through and hit disagree on everyone telling her being underweight is still not okay and her family is not cool. I’m sorry but not surprised.
OP, if you ever get to a place where you want real help to become healthy and fit, not just thin (it’s My Fitness Pal not My Lose weight at any cost Pal) and maybe want some support making real, healthy changes in your life, we will be here for you.
That's been going around lately. There's been a feceston of posts that are getting disagreed simply for pointing out that underweight isn't a good goal, or that super intense low restriction isn't healthy. I figured some pro-ana chicks were getting pissed off and have nothing better to do.13 -
IWillTakeBackMyLife wrote: »Also, as far as the drama in the thread goes, I don't understand why people are trying to stop you from losing weight or saying you NEED to eat at least 1200 calories. You're 130 lbs which means you got a little bit to lose for sure based on your own description of your weight gain, but 100 lbs sounds extreme to me. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I can't tell, but I'm leaning towards too extreme. I say the best way to judge what you should be losing truly is by your body fat %. BMI isn't 100% accurate, everyone is different.
1. 1200 is considered the minimum safe amount for weight loss for women. And honestly that is really only for short, sedentary women. Most others would benefit from higher amounts. Eating too few calories has a host of negative health effects. There are several threads around these boards about them. Many people here have gone that route and experienced them first hand. Here are a few potential ones: micronutrient dificency, muscle loss, hair loss, disruption of menstrual cycle/loss of period. Most people who go the extreme restriction route end up regretting it.
2. 130 pounds is a perfectly fine weight for someone who is 5'4". It is a 22.3 BMI, which is right in the middle of the normal range. Nobody at that BMI needs to lose weight. Now someone at that BMI could safely lose a few pounds if they wanted to for appearance reasons, but it has to be done slowly and methodically. It shouldn't be done quickly and haphazardly.
3. 100 pounds is in no way shape or form ever okay for someone who is 5'4". Full stop. That is a BMI of 17.2, which is severely underweight.24 -
3v0l1s0m1283 wrote: »kshama2001, im about 5'4, 130lbs and I don't exercise except at work I basically walk or stand for 8 hours out of the day. is 1200 not good for me do you think? I never put much thought into that. im trying to lose 30 pounds, I've gained a lot of weight this year and have no clothes that fit
I'm just going to put this here:IWillTakeBackMyLife wrote: »Also, as far as the drama in the thread goes, I don't understand why people are trying to stop you from losing weight or saying you NEED to eat at least 1200 calories. You're 130 lbs which means you got a little bit to lose for sure based on your own description of your weight gain, but 100 lbs sounds extreme to me. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I can't tell, but I'm leaning towards too extreme. I say the best way to judge what you should be losing truly is by your body fat %. BMI isn't 100% accurate, everyone is different.
Your Height:
5'4"
Your Weight:
130 (pounds)
Your BMI: 22.3
BMI Categories:
Underweight = <18.5
Normal weight = 18.5–24.9
Overweight = 25–29.9
Obesity = BMI of 30 or greater
Your Height:
5'4"
Your Weight:
100 (pounds)
Your BMI:
17.2
Underweight = <18.5
Normal weight = 18.5–24.9
Overweight = 25–29.9
Obesity = BMI of 30 or greater
If someone feels that a BMI of 22.3 (solidly normal per standard calculating) is not reasonable, they need to consult a doctor. I said this already, but none of us are even marginally qualified to be consulting with someone about moving from what is standardly considered to be normal weight to what is standardly considered to be underweight.16 -
IWillTakeBackMyLife wrote: »Also, as far as the drama in the thread goes, I don't understand why people are trying to stop you from losing weight or saying you NEED to eat at least 1200 calories. You're 130 lbs which means you got a little bit to lose for sure based on your own description of your weight gain, but 100 lbs sounds extreme to me. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I can't tell, but I'm leaning towards too extreme. I say the best way to judge what you should be losing truly is by your body fat %. BMI isn't 100% accurate, everyone is different.
1. 1200 is considered the minimum safe amount for weight loss for women. And honestly that is really only for short, sedentary women. Most others would benefit from higher amounts. Eating too few calories has a host of negative health effects. There are several threads around these boards about them. Many people here have gone that route and experienced them first hand. Here are a few potential ones: micronutrient dificency, muscle loss, hair loss, disruption of menstrual cycle/loss of period. Most people who go the extreme restriction route end up regretting it.
2. 130 pounds is a perfectly fine weight for someone who is 5'4". It is a 22.3 BMI, which is right in the middle of the normal range. Nobody at that BMI needs to lose weight. Now someone at that BMI could safely lose a few pounds if they wanted to for appearance reasons, but it has to be done slowly and methodically. It shouldn't be done quickly and haphazardly.
3. 100 pounds is in no way shape or form ever okay for someone who is 5'4". Full stop. That is a BMI of 17.2, which is severely underweight.
I'm a 6'0" 250~ lb male and I've been eating less than 1,200 calories for a long time. I've consistently gained weight and stalled on a normal diet if I follow what is recommended. If I even attempt to meet 1,800 calories I will be sick and it becomes impossible to exercise or enjoy anything. I'm currently in Keto consistently eating a 400 calorie breakfast, a 100 calorie snack and then a 400 calorie dinner each day. I've never felt better doing this. I did OMAD for months only eating a single meal which was usually 400-500 calories and had success with that then tried transitioning to a normal diet eating breakfast, lunch and dinner where my weight stalled for 2 months before hopping on Keto which has been even better than OMAD.
Of course I can see the potential for negative effects. That's why I believe everyone is different and has different needs. I don't want someone to deceive themselves into believing they should do what I do, but not everyone is the same. I'm healthier than ever doing this. For me though I was nearly 500 lbs at my highest and I was 300+ lbs by age 12.
Also my two best friends are males both nearly 6 foot, both 130 lbs and neither of them look anorexic at all. Everyone is different. BMI isn't everything. Losing a few pounds for appearance reasons at that weight I agree should be done safely, I don't think Keto is an unsafe method for that.1 -
For me, low carb (while counting calories) really helps, plus fat for me is satiating, Too many carbs and I hold too much water and feel just plain heavy/slow. I've lost 43 lbs this way since last Jan. and at 63, that's not too bad. My daughter's doing keto and it works quite well, however it's really hard!3
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IWillTakeBackMyLife wrote: »IWillTakeBackMyLife wrote: »Also, as far as the drama in the thread goes, I don't understand why people are trying to stop you from losing weight or saying you NEED to eat at least 1200 calories. You're 130 lbs which means you got a little bit to lose for sure based on your own description of your weight gain, but 100 lbs sounds extreme to me. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I can't tell, but I'm leaning towards too extreme. I say the best way to judge what you should be losing truly is by your body fat %. BMI isn't 100% accurate, everyone is different.
1. 1200 is considered the minimum safe amount for weight loss for women. And honestly that is really only for short, sedentary women. Most others would benefit from higher amounts. Eating too few calories has a host of negative health effects. There are several threads around these boards about them. Many people here have gone that route and experienced them first hand. Here are a few potential ones: micronutrient dificency, muscle loss, hair loss, disruption of menstrual cycle/loss of period. Most people who go the extreme restriction route end up regretting it.
2. 130 pounds is a perfectly fine weight for someone who is 5'4". It is a 22.3 BMI, which is right in the middle of the normal range. Nobody at that BMI needs to lose weight. Now someone at that BMI could safely lose a few pounds if they wanted to for appearance reasons, but it has to be done slowly and methodically. It shouldn't be done quickly and haphazardly.
3. 100 pounds is in no way shape or form ever okay for someone who is 5'4". Full stop. That is a BMI of 17.2, which is severely underweight.
I'm a 6'0" 250~ lb male and I've been eating less than 1,200 calories for a long time. I've consistently gained weight and stalled on a normal diet if I follow what is recommended. If I even attempt to meet 1,800 calories I will be sick and it becomes impossible to exercise or enjoy anything. I'm currently in Keto consistently eating a 400 calorie breakfast, a 100 calorie snack and then a 400 calorie dinner each day. I've never felt better doing this. I did OMAD for months only eating a single meal which was usually 400-500 calories and had success with that then tried transitioning to a normal diet eating breakfast, lunch and dinner where my weight stalled for 2 months before hopping on Keto which has been even better than OMAD.
Of course I can see the potential for negative effects. That's why I believe everyone is different and has different needs. I don't want someone to deceive themselves into believing they should do what I do, but not everyone is the same. I'm healthier than ever doing this. For me though I was nearly 500 lbs at my highest and I was 300+ lbs by age 12.
Also my two best friends are males both nearly 6 foot, both 130 lbs and neither of them look anorexic at all. Everyone is different. BMI isn't everything. Losing a few pounds for appearance reasons at that weight I agree should be done safely, I don't think Keto is an unsafe method for that.
There’s a huge difference between an obese or overweight person undereating and a normal weight person. Also, most people who fail to lose weight on 1200 calories are actually tracking errors.29 -
IWillTakeBackMyLife wrote: »IWillTakeBackMyLife wrote: »Also, as far as the drama in the thread goes, I don't understand why people are trying to stop you from losing weight or saying you NEED to eat at least 1200 calories. You're 130 lbs which means you got a little bit to lose for sure based on your own description of your weight gain, but 100 lbs sounds extreme to me. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I can't tell, but I'm leaning towards too extreme. I say the best way to judge what you should be losing truly is by your body fat %. BMI isn't 100% accurate, everyone is different.
1. 1200 is considered the minimum safe amount for weight loss for women. And honestly that is really only for short, sedentary women. Most others would benefit from higher amounts. Eating too few calories has a host of negative health effects. There are several threads around these boards about them. Many people here have gone that route and experienced them first hand. Here are a few potential ones: micronutrient dificency, muscle loss, hair loss, disruption of menstrual cycle/loss of period. Most people who go the extreme restriction route end up regretting it.
2. 130 pounds is a perfectly fine weight for someone who is 5'4". It is a 22.3 BMI, which is right in the middle of the normal range. Nobody at that BMI needs to lose weight. Now someone at that BMI could safely lose a few pounds if they wanted to for appearance reasons, but it has to be done slowly and methodically. It shouldn't be done quickly and haphazardly.
3. 100 pounds is in no way shape or form ever okay for someone who is 5'4". Full stop. That is a BMI of 17.2, which is severely underweight.
I'm a 6'0" 250~ lb male and I've been eating less than 1,200 calories for a long time. I've consistently gained weight and stalled on a normal diet if I follow what is recommended. If I even attempt to meet 1,800 calories I will be sick and it becomes impossible to exercise or enjoy anything. I'm currently in Keto consistently eating a 400 calorie breakfast, a 100 calorie snack and then a 400 calorie dinner each day. I've never felt better doing this. I did OMAD for months only eating a single meal which was usually 400-500 calories and had success with that then tried transitioning to a normal diet eating breakfast, lunch and dinner where my weight stalled for 2 months before hopping on Keto which has been even better than OMAD.
Of course I can see the potential for negative effects. That's why I believe everyone is different and has different needs. I don't want someone to deceive themselves into believing they should do what I do, but not everyone is the same. I'm healthier than ever doing this. For me though I was nearly 500 lbs at my highest and I was 300+ lbs by age 12.
Also my two best friends are males both nearly 6 foot, both 130 lbs and neither of them look anorexic at all. Everyone is different. BMI isn't everything. Losing a few pounds for appearance reasons at that weight I agree should be done safely, I don't think Keto is an unsafe method for that.
Keto is not unsafe..... BUT...... 1200 calories on a dude your size is...... take it from me.... I might know a couple things about under eating and the prices you pay.
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3v0l1s0m1283 wrote: »so when a fat person wants to lose 30 pounds it's cool, people want to help. but when I ask simple questions it's "seek help" 😂😂😂😂
Nobody is bashing you. This is a health and fitness site. People are just telling you that losing 30 Lbs would put you medically underweight...which isn't healthy...and again, this is a health and fitness site. A fat person losing 30 Lbs isn't going to put them in the medically underweight category.
ETA: Also, seeking help for something that is a struggle isn't a bad thing. I've been through plenty of mental health therapy and counseling over the last 6 to 7 years. I also go to AA because I'm an alcoholic.15 -
IWillTakeBackMyLife wrote: »I'm a 6'0" 250~ lb male and I've been eating less than 1,200 calories for a long time. I've consistently gained weight and stalled on a normal diet if I follow what is recommended. If I even attempt to meet 1,800 calories I will be sick and it becomes impossible to exercise or enjoy anything. I'm currently in Keto consistently eating a 400 calorie breakfast, a 100 calorie snack and then a 400 calorie dinner each day. I've never felt better doing this. I did OMAD for months only eating a single meal which was usually 400-500 calories and had success with that then tried transitioning to a normal diet eating breakfast, lunch and dinner where my weight stalled for 2 months before hopping on Keto which has been even better than OMAD.
Of course I can see the potential for negative effects. That's why I believe everyone is different and has different needs. I don't want someone to deceive themselves into believing they should do what I do, but not everyone is the same. I'm healthier than ever doing this. For me though I was nearly 500 lbs at my highest and I was 300+ lbs by age 12.
Also my two best friends are males both nearly 6 foot, both 130 lbs and neither of them look anorexic at all. Everyone is different. BMI isn't everything. Losing a few pounds for appearance reasons at that weight I agree should be done safely, I don't think Keto is an unsafe method for that.
Words have meaning. Sometimes they're ambiguous. Other times they are not.
I don't know what "nearly 6 foot" means to you and whether by 130lbs you mean 130 or 139. But you chose to state 6ft and 130lbs. A person who is 130lbs and 6 feet 0" tall has a BMI of 17.6, which is 0.9 below the cut-off for under-weight. Additionally, unless a person is relatively short and perhaps of Asian descent, it is quite likely that their optimal normal weight would be at a point higher than 18.5.
If you don't think that a 6ft, 130lb person is under-weight the problem is not with the definition but with your perception.
And since it is far from impossible for people to have a skewed perception of what a normal body looks like, perhaps this is something you may want to look into.
You describe a 900 Cal diet and claim that this is excellent for you.
As a community on MFP we advocate for safe weight management, including losing weight for those who need to. Eating less than 1500 Calories on an ongoing basis as a 6ft male is not safe.
If you are under the care of a doctor and the choice has been made to engage in relatively unsafe weight loss in order to mitigate some other issue or condition, more the power to you, and you should have perhaps disclosed this to give context to your decision.
If you are advocating that eating 900 Cal is healthy because you feel good today, I remind you that depressed people feel terrible in the middle of a depression and their feelings are real, even though intellectually someone from the outside can see that their situation is related to their mental state. And that people suffering from a manic episode think that they can conquer the world and do everything and anything under the sun, all at the same time, yet those of us on the outside may be able to see that their glasses are rose colored!
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If you truly need to lose weight and are over consuming then yes cut the calories BUT ---- BUT ---- do NOT cut calories if you are fit eating well and trying or retain muscle and stay lean. Remember a calorie is nothing more that a deliverer of nutrition.... if you cut calories you are cutting nutrition - instead increase your cardio or workout intensity to burn the calories. you CAN'T increase muscle mass - you CAN'T recover from workouts if you do not have the nutrition to do so.
The OP is 5'4" and 130 pounds and asking about eating less than 1200 calories. Her goal is to lose 10 pounds by Christmas. 10 pounds in two weeks. Encouraging a person to reduce calories below 1200 is not good advice to begin with but coupled with recommending it to a person who is already in a normal BMI range is terrible advice.15 -
IWillTakeBackMyLife wrote: »I'm a 6'0" 250~ lb male and I've been eating less than 1,200 calories for a long time. I've consistently gained weight and stalled on a normal diet if I follow what is recommended. If I even attempt to meet 1,800 calories I will be sick and it becomes impossible to exercise or enjoy anything. I'm currently in Keto consistently eating a 400 calorie breakfast, a 100 calorie snack and then a 400 calorie dinner each day. I've never felt better doing this. I did OMAD for months only eating a single meal which was usually 400-500 calories and had success with that then tried transitioning to a normal diet eating breakfast, lunch and dinner where my weight stalled for 2 months before hopping on Keto which has been even better than OMAD.
Of course I can see the potential for negative effects. That's why I believe everyone is different and has different needs. I don't want someone to deceive themselves into believing they should do what I do, but not everyone is the same. I'm healthier than ever doing this. For me though I was nearly 500 lbs at my highest and I was 300+ lbs by age 12.
Also my two best friends are males both nearly 6 foot, both 130 lbs and neither of them look anorexic at all. Everyone is different. BMI isn't everything. Losing a few pounds for appearance reasons at that weight I agree should be done safely, I don't think Keto is an unsafe method for that.
Words have meaning. Sometimes they're ambiguous. Other times they are not.
I don't know what "nearly 6 foot" means to you and whether by 130lbs you mean 130 or 139. But you chose to state 6ft and 130lbs. A person who is 130lbs and 6 feet 0" tall has a BMI of 17.6, which is 0.9 below the cut-off for under-weight. Additionally, unless a person is relatively short and perhaps of Asian descent, it is quite likely that their optimal normal weight would be at a point higher than 18.5.
If you don't think that a 6ft, 130lb person is under-weight the problem is not with the definition but with your perception.
And since it is far from impossible for people to have a skewed perception of what a normal body looks like, perhaps this is something you may want to look into.
You describe a 900 Cal diet and claim that this is excellent for you.
As a community on MFP we advocate for safe weight management, including losing weight for those who need to. Eating less than 1500 Calories on an ongoing basis as a 6ft male is not safe.
If you are under the care of a doctor and the choice has been made to engage in relatively unsafe weight loss in order to mitigate some other issue or condition, more the power to you, and you should have perhaps disclosed this to give context to your decision.
If you are advocating that eating 900 Cal is healthy because you feel good today, I remind you that depressed people feel terrible in the middle of a depression and their feelings are real, even though intellectually someone from the outside can see that their situation is related to their mental state. And that people suffering from a manic episode think that they can conquer the world and do everything and anything under the sun, all at the same time, yet those of us on the outside may be able to see that their glasses are rose colored!
So yeah.
When I was sub 10%, I thought I was still "fat". Yes, the brain messes with us. The woo crew is out again. If it is this poster you replied to, well.... we will let him see what happens.... I understand not being able to tell anyone anything.🤷♂️13 -
Try a calorie calculator: a lot of factors change the number of calories you need. Female vs male, height, age,peri menopause or not,activity level etc etc.
https://www.calculator.net/calorie-calculator.html
Don’t go by extreme weight loss that’s for folks with Doctor present.
I’m light walking in a house to barely anything due to surgeries, 5’4 with peri menopause age 40’s 150lbs so it has me at 1200 calories but as I get more active it should go up from there.
I’m eating from lots of type of diets since sometimes I’m eating with different family members which is more vegetarian,Octovarian,pescatarian,meat eater or making my own item to eat. As you can see very one in my household is in a separate diet so lots of dishes to wash theirs my main exercise lol cooking y washing plates. Certain foods seem to make me go up especially salty ones y others I go down . It’s trying until you find what works for you. Summery diets different than winter.
Measure yourself I went down pant size but scale stayed put! Took awhile for the scale caught up.2 -
IMO you've got to honestly decide what you can maintain. If you like the foods to go keto and you don't see any negative effects then maybe that's the way to go, but if it's something you can't keep doing long term, then you'll probably end up back in your old eating habits when you 'hit the wall'.
I eat what I like and am accustomed to cooking and eating at home. Doing that and using MFP to help me be more disciplined about the portions has let me lose 40 pounds in about a year, and since then I'm maintaining my weight by continuing to log my eating and exercise.
One really big impact of using MFP for me is it made me aware of the fact that eating out can really wreck your daily calorie goals, so I rarely go to a restaurant any more. I don't really miss it since I like my own cooking. When I occasionally do eat out I'm more selective and don't super-size things anymore.
Bottom line is I think I've had success because the choices I made were ones I can live with. If I had chosen a diet that made me feel deprived of foods I like or made me feel ill, then I'd have quit it and probably would still be carrying that extra 40, and maybe several more by now.7 -
psychod787 wrote: »IWillTakeBackMyLife wrote: »I'm a 6'0" 250~ lb male and I've been eating less than 1,200 calories for a long time. I've consistently gained weight and stalled on a normal diet if I follow what is recommended. If I even attempt to meet 1,800 calories I will be sick and it becomes impossible to exercise or enjoy anything. I'm currently in Keto consistently eating a 400 calorie breakfast, a 100 calorie snack and then a 400 calorie dinner each day. I've never felt better doing this. I did OMAD for months only eating a single meal which was usually 400-500 calories and had success with that then tried transitioning to a normal diet eating breakfast, lunch and dinner where my weight stalled for 2 months before hopping on Keto which has been even better than OMAD.
Of course I can see the potential for negative effects. That's why I believe everyone is different and has different needs. I don't want someone to deceive themselves into believing they should do what I do, but not everyone is the same. I'm healthier than ever doing this. For me though I was nearly 500 lbs at my highest and I was 300+ lbs by age 12.
Also my two best friends are males both nearly 6 foot, both 130 lbs and neither of them look anorexic at all. Everyone is different. BMI isn't everything. Losing a few pounds for appearance reasons at that weight I agree should be done safely, I don't think Keto is an unsafe method for that.
Words have meaning. Sometimes they're ambiguous. Other times they are not.
I don't know what "nearly 6 foot" means to you and whether by 130lbs you mean 130 or 139. But you chose to state 6ft and 130lbs. A person who is 130lbs and 6 feet 0" tall has a BMI of 17.6, which is 0.9 below the cut-off for under-weight. Additionally, unless a person is relatively short and perhaps of Asian descent, it is quite likely that their optimal normal weight would be at a point higher than 18.5.
If you don't think that a 6ft, 130lb person is under-weight the problem is not with the definition but with your perception.
And since it is far from impossible for people to have a skewed perception of what a normal body looks like, perhaps this is something you may want to look into.
You describe a 900 Cal diet and claim that this is excellent for you.
As a community on MFP we advocate for safe weight management, including losing weight for those who need to. Eating less than 1500 Calories on an ongoing basis as a 6ft male is not safe.
If you are under the care of a doctor and the choice has been made to engage in relatively unsafe weight loss in order to mitigate some other issue or condition, more the power to you, and you should have perhaps disclosed this to give context to your decision.
If you are advocating that eating 900 Cal is healthy because you feel good today, I remind you that depressed people feel terrible in the middle of a depression and their feelings are real, even though intellectually someone from the outside can see that their situation is related to their mental state. And that people suffering from a manic episode think that they can conquer the world and do everything and anything under the sun, all at the same time, yet those of us on the outside may be able to see that their glasses are rose colored!
So yeah.
When I was sub 10%, I thought I was still "fat". Yes, the brain messes with us. The woo crew is out again. If it is this poster you replied to, well.... we will let him see what happens.... I understand not being able to tell anyone anything.🤷♂️
I don't think that this is "the woo crew" even though I wish it was (though my typical logic in that regard is that there are people who disagree with us - it's part of being someone who has opinions). I think it's people who truly think that eating a sub 1200 calorie diet is for the best, people who think that being what most of us (and most if not all national and international health organizations) would consider underweight is not in fact underweight, people who think that they need to lose more weight because they feel like they're fat even though objectively they aren't thus identify with what the OP and a few others are saying, etc.
Saying that it's just "the woo crew" dismisses the fact that there are people who do in fact identify with what the OP is saying and are currently in that state of mind.13 -
3v0l1s0m1283 wrote: »nighthawk584 wrote: »3v0l1s0m1283 wrote: »so when a fat person wants to lose 30 pounds it's cool, people want to help. but when I ask simple questions it's "seek help" 😂😂😂😂
The problem is, you will not take any critique at all from experienced people on this forum... This and another recent post of yours looks like you are seeking some quick fix non- sustainable and dangerous diets. What do you expect us to assume? We aren't going to cheer lead something like this! Good luck!
"quick fix, non-sustainable diets" um. no. im asking general questions about things I have heard about. yes im trying to quickly lose weight but after I lose at least half of it I was gonna take it more slow... I can't even go home for Christmas because my whole family relentless talks about my weight the whole time and ruins everything. I recently got married and not even 5 minutes before, my dad told me I gained so much weight and how awful I look. I need to lose the weight before Christmas or at the very least 10 pounds of it. you probably don't know what it's like to have to literally hide yourself from your family because of your weight but it's awful, I've missed last Christmas, birthdays, Thanksgiving, etc and I can't keep on this way. no one will ever understand. I just wanted to advice and now I see that literally no one wants to help and it's cool. like I said I'll figure it out on my own. or either spend another holiday without going to see my family bc I just can't handle it. like thanks for making me feel even worse it's sure did help alot ..
There have been times in my life when I stopped visiting toxic family members as well. Thanks to therapy, I was aware that the problem was with them, not with me.lynn_glenmont wrote: »3v0l1s0m1283 wrote: »nighthawk584 wrote: »3v0l1s0m1283 wrote: »so when a fat person wants to lose 30 pounds it's cool, people want to help. but when I ask simple questions it's "seek help" 😂😂😂😂
The problem is, you will not take any critique at all from experienced people on this forum... This and another recent post of yours looks like you are seeking some quick fix non- sustainable and dangerous diets. What do you expect us to assume? We aren't going to cheer lead something like this! Good luck!
"quick fix, non-sustainable diets" um. no. im asking general questions about things I have heard about. yes im trying to quickly lose weight but after I lose at least half of it I was gonna take it more slow... I can'just t even go home for Christmas because my whole family relentless talks about my weight the whole time and ruins everything. I recently got married and not even 5 minutes before, my dad told me I gained so much weight and how awful I look. I need to lose the weight before Christmas or at the very least 10 pounds of it. you probably don't know what it's like to have to literally hide yourself from your family because of your weight but it's awful, I've missed last Christmas, birthdays, Thanksgiving, etc and I can't keep on this way. no one will ever understand. I just wanted to advice and now I see that literally no one wants to help and it's cool. like I said I'll figure it out on my own. or either spend another holiday without going to see my family bc I just can't handle it. like thanks for making me feel even worse it's sure did help alot ..
That's awful. But the problem isn't your weight. Your problem is a lack of boundaries. It's highly unlikely your family will start respecting you or your boundaries just because you lose weight. If they treat you like that, why do you feel you're "missing" time spent with them?
I agree with Lynn that the issues is your boundaries rather than your weight. I think working on your boundaries would be very beneficial. If after you know how to set boundaries and your family continues to not respect them, you don't need to see them.7 -
Yup I’d avoid if you got to go set boundaries including the buddy system (me y Hubby stay together so no window for someone to walk up he shuts it down me too if it starts...traffic better hit the road! Thankyou Thankyou waves good bye! Then we vent all the way home to each other crack jokes). If my Dad said that while waiting to walk me down the isle I would have told him to go sit down or tell him “You too!”
I found fat shaming family moments are horrible my Mom survived it during my pregnancies I had to also...Hubby a big guy. I have noticed the fat shamers after you start loosing weight they start gaining it. Might be their own fears y diet struggles being tossed onto the rest of us.2 -
IWillTakeBackMyLife wrote: »IWillTakeBackMyLife wrote: »Also, as far as the drama in the thread goes, I don't understand why people are trying to stop you from losing weight or saying you NEED to eat at least 1200 calories. You're 130 lbs which means you got a little bit to lose for sure based on your own description of your weight gain, but 100 lbs sounds extreme to me. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I can't tell, but I'm leaning towards too extreme. I say the best way to judge what you should be losing truly is by your body fat %. BMI isn't 100% accurate, everyone is different.
1. 1200 is considered the minimum safe amount for weight loss for women. And honestly that is really only for short, sedentary women. Most others would benefit from higher amounts. Eating too few calories has a host of negative health effects. There are several threads around these boards about them. Many people here have gone that route and experienced them first hand. Here are a few potential ones: micronutrient dificency, muscle loss, hair loss, disruption of menstrual cycle/loss of period. Most people who go the extreme restriction route end up regretting it.
2. 130 pounds is a perfectly fine weight for someone who is 5'4". It is a 22.3 BMI, which is right in the middle of the normal range. Nobody at that BMI needs to lose weight. Now someone at that BMI could safely lose a few pounds if they wanted to for appearance reasons, but it has to be done slowly and methodically. It shouldn't be done quickly and haphazardly.
3. 100 pounds is in no way shape or form ever okay for someone who is 5'4". Full stop. That is a BMI of 17.2, which is severely underweight.
I'm a 6'0" 250~ lb male and I've been eating less than 1,200 calories for a long time. I've consistently gained weight and stalled on a normal diet if I follow what is recommended. If I even attempt to meet 1,800 calories I will be sick and it becomes impossible to exercise or enjoy anything. I'm currently in Keto consistently eating a 400 calorie breakfast, a 100 calorie snack and then a 400 calorie dinner each day. I've never felt better doing this. I did OMAD for months only eating a single meal which was usually 400-500 calories and had success with that then tried transitioning to a normal diet eating breakfast, lunch and dinner where my weight stalled for 2 months before hopping on Keto which has been even better than OMAD.
Of course I can see the potential for negative effects. That's why I believe everyone is different and has different needs. I don't want someone to deceive themselves into believing they should do what I do, but not everyone is the same. I'm healthier than ever doing this. For me though I was nearly 500 lbs at my highest and I was 300+ lbs by age 12.
Also my two best friends are males both nearly 6 foot, both 130 lbs and neither of them look anorexic at all. Everyone is different. BMI isn't everything. Losing a few pounds for appearance reasons at that weight I agree should be done safely, I don't think Keto is an unsafe method for that.
Keto is not unsafe, but less than1200 calories for an adult male is. 1500 is the DEFAULT minimum for an adult male. This is a safe number if you are short, elderly and/or sedentary. Please stop eating too few calories when you notice your hair is falling out. The damage will already have been done, but you can get healthy again.
Healthy weight loss helps you lose fat while keeping more lean muscle mass. Your method is sacrificing a higher % of lean muscle mass than is necessary (your heart is a muscle). OP is looking to do the same. Google skinny-fat. Only the scale looks good.
If you've gained weight on a normal diet, then you aren't logging accurately. Everybody is not that different. OP's goal of 100 pounds at 5'4" is going to be under weight.11 -
IWillTakeBackMyLife wrote: »IWillTakeBackMyLife wrote: »Also, as far as the drama in the thread goes, I don't understand why people are trying to stop you from losing weight or saying you NEED to eat at least 1200 calories. You're 130 lbs which means you got a little bit to lose for sure based on your own description of your weight gain, but 100 lbs sounds extreme to me. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I can't tell, but I'm leaning towards too extreme. I say the best way to judge what you should be losing truly is by your body fat %. BMI isn't 100% accurate, everyone is different.
1. 1200 is considered the minimum safe amount for weight loss for women. And honestly that is really only for short, sedentary women. Most others would benefit from higher amounts. Eating too few calories has a host of negative health effects. There are several threads around these boards about them. Many people here have gone that route and experienced them first hand. Here are a few potential ones: micronutrient dificency, muscle loss, hair loss, disruption of menstrual cycle/loss of period. Most people who go the extreme restriction route end up regretting it.
2. 130 pounds is a perfectly fine weight for someone who is 5'4". It is a 22.3 BMI, which is right in the middle of the normal range. Nobody at that BMI needs to lose weight. Now someone at that BMI could safely lose a few pounds if they wanted to for appearance reasons, but it has to be done slowly and methodically. It shouldn't be done quickly and haphazardly.
3. 100 pounds is in no way shape or form ever okay for someone who is 5'4". Full stop. That is a BMI of 17.2, which is severely underweight.
I'm a 6'0" 250~ lb male and I've been eating less than 1,200 calories for a long time. I've consistently gained weight and stalled on a normal diet if I follow what is recommended. If I even attempt to meet 1,800 calories I will be sick and it becomes impossible to exercise or enjoy anything. I'm currently in Keto consistently eating a 400 calorie breakfast, a 100 calorie snack and then a 400 calorie dinner each day. I've never felt better doing this. I did OMAD for months only eating a single meal which was usually 400-500 calories and had success with that then tried transitioning to a normal diet eating breakfast, lunch and dinner where my weight stalled for 2 months before hopping on Keto which has been even better than OMAD.
Of course I can see the potential for negative effects. That's why I believe everyone is different and has different needs. I don't want someone to deceive themselves into believing they should do what I do, but not everyone is the same. I'm healthier than ever doing this. For me though I was nearly 500 lbs at my highest and I was 300+ lbs by age 12.
Also my two best friends are males both nearly 6 foot, both 130 lbs and neither of them look anorexic at all. Everyone is different. BMI isn't everything. Losing a few pounds for appearance reasons at that weight I agree should be done safely, I don't think Keto is an unsafe method for that.
A 6'0" 250~ lb male who gains weight on 1800 calories isn't actually eating 1800 calories. Look, logging errors are extremely common. We can help you with this if you start your own thread on this and change your Diary Sharing settings to Public: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/diary_settings9 -
TeaBea - Agreed! I’m 5’4 barely I am only supposed to weight between 108- 132lbs but it depends on age! As a teen 108kb range fit me fine. In my 20’s more 115-120’s. In my 30’s 125-130lbs .in my 40’s y up 130-132lbs . If I go under 130lbs At my age I start to feel sick! Less muscular build y well just icky. I tossed my teen y 20’s clothes in my Daughter room shut the door on them lol. I’m 150lbs so only 20lbs to go or less. Being 100lbs would be too thin at my stage of life would be underweight. She probably doing my mistakes I input the calories but didn’t understand the importance of serving sizes! So was twice what I wrote cause cereal cups kids get is the actual serving size for cereal...not the big old bowls in our cabinet we fill to the top with goodies! I found out a serving size of my cookies is a kids snack pack yikes 😳 so choosing low cal options that give me larger portions lol rather have a full Sugarfree big fudge pop than 1 tiny cookie 🍪.
It’s obvious your family has the wrong idea about healthy weight sizes. I can only imagine what it does to ones self confidence being told by a parent that you need to loose weight even at the correct weight. Hugs 🤗 stay strong ignore their cruel words. Be healthy live for you only.3 -
missysippy930 wrote: »If your family thinks you’re fat at 5’4”, 130 pounds, they have a problem.
Yeah, based on her comments about her family, I'm thinking the best thing she could do for her mental and physical health would be to shed several hundred pounds.
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