Calorie Counter

You are currently viewing the message boards in:

If a calorie is a calorie, why do we see this?

245

Replies

  • AvidkeoAvidkeo Posts: 1,440Member Member Posts: 1,440Member Member
    So basically it's proving that a calorie deficit is how you lose weight, and weightloss improves health markers.
  • estherpotter1estherpotter1 Posts: 102Member Member Posts: 102Member Member
    lettuce calories would be better than weightloss than fat or sugar calories.
  • lemurcat2lemurcat2 Posts: 4,476Member Member Posts: 4,476Member Member
    lettuce calories would be better than weightloss than fat or sugar calories.

    Why?

    Among other things, living only on lettuce would lead to death if done for too long.

    "Lettuce calories" are not a thing, btw. Lettuce has (a few) calories, as do other foods. Lettuce also has carbs, certain micros, a tiny amount of protein, etc. Your body cannot identify calories by where they came from originally, as calories are a unit of energy.

    Also, I'm trying and trying to figure out how this relates to the posted study, but can't. Could you explain it to me? As I read the two studies mentioned, they were eating the exact same diets (well, not really, but that was the plan and nothing about differences in lettuce consumption or fat or sugar consumption).
    edited January 29
  • lemurcat2lemurcat2 Posts: 4,476Member Member Posts: 4,476Member Member
    just_Tomek wrote: »
    lettuce calories would be better than weightloss than fat or sugar calories.

    For weight loss???? Absolutely not. For nutritional value, yeap.

    Eh, I think an avocado or some nuts (high fat) compare perfectly well to, say, iceberg lettuce for nutritional value.

    Even a banana (high sugar) does.

    Of course, I'm all for a diet that includes nuts, avocado, bananas, and lettuce (I like boston lettuce, it's yum, with some spinach and watercress, perhaps). Also, many other greens, fruits and veg, and sources of protein and fat.
  • JruzerJruzer Posts: 3,365Member Member Posts: 3,365Member Member
    lettuce calories would be better than weightloss than fat or sugar calories.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
  • just_Tomekjust_Tomek Posts: 8,031Member Member Posts: 8,031Member Member
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    just_Tomek wrote: »
    lettuce calories would be better than weightloss than fat or sugar calories.

    For weight loss???? Absolutely not. For nutritional value, yeap.

    Eh, I think an avocado or some nuts (high fat) compare perfectly well to, say, iceberg lettuce for nutritional value.

    Even a banana (high sugar) does.

    Of course, I'm all for a diet that includes nuts, avocado, bananas, and lettuce (I like boston lettuce, it's yum, with some spinach and watercress, perhaps). Also, many other greens, fruits and veg, and sources of protein and fat.

    Yeap. But I bet thats not what the poster meant.

    Throw all that into a large bowl with addition of more fat via tahini/yogurt sauce and call it a day :)
    edited January 29
  • happysquidmuffinhappysquidmuffin Posts: 448Member Member Posts: 448Member Member
    SezxyStef wrote: »
    Only 30 people? Then it sounds like statistical anomalies and math threw off the data. Not a big enough study to be accurate. The data is just fluff. Especially if their calorie intake wasn’t controlled every day!
    erickirb wrote: »
    Did both groups have the same maintenance cals. if one was higher (BF group) and ate the same cals as the other group they would be expected to lose more. the other possible reason, as noted before, is that bigger breakfast could lead to a higher NEAT.

    ^^This.

    Plus time of day of weigh-ins...plus the set number of calories allegedly eaten, plus - if it were this simple I'm pretty sure we all would have done this.

    It's still about calories, not bogus 30 sample "studies."

    Just for clarity it was over 90 and they were split into groups...not just 30 people in total.

    Thank you, didn’t know it was 90 total. But that’s still only 45 or 30 people per group, so the data is hardly relevant. Needs to be 200+ people each for control group and differing groups, so that each person only contributes half a percent to each category of data. Just my opinion. That way the math doesn’t skew the data out of whack, and less of a chance that a few crazy outliers skew the data too.
  • happysquidmuffinhappysquidmuffin Posts: 448Member Member Posts: 448Member Member
    However, compared with the D group, the BF group showed a 2.5-fold greater weight loss

    That's massive.

    "Eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and dinner like a pauper."
    2.5-fold greater weight loss is very misleading because it could be 1 lb lost vs 2.5 lb lost. Which is negligible. I’m not saying that’s the actual amount though... didn’t read the study. Or 4% of body weight lost vs 10% lost. But that’s on average, and only studying 90 people total. And calories weren’t monitored every day. Was water weight taken into account too? Time of day weighed? There are too many factors that can throw things off.

  • hesn92hesn92 Posts: 5,799Member Member Posts: 5,799Member Member
    All participants were given the exact same allotted calories regardless of their height, weight, activity level etc? How is that controlled?
  • GaleHawkinsGaleHawkins Posts: 7,650Member Member Posts: 7,650Member Member
    lettuce calories would be better than weight loss than fat or sugar calories.

    @estherpotter1 while this can vary from person to person the question I now ask what will this or that type calorie do to help or harm the make up of my gut microbiome?

    Unless it is planned obesity there has to be some type of health issue for obesity to occur. The gut microbiome is one of many factors in mammal health.

    In my case for 40 years after each weigh loss I would sooner or later have a 100%+ regain so at 63 I said to heck with weight loss and started working to get more healthy and have better lab results. That was in 2014 when I changed my Way Of Eating without any weight loss objective and eating to never go hungry I accidentally lost 50 pounds without considering how many calories I ate but focused on eating calories that gave me better health and better health markers on my lab tests. That is how I proved in my case the WOE make up of the right kind of calories (that varies from person to person) was more important to me than the number of calories. I did not know about the gut microbiome at that time.

    The freedom to eat all I want has changed me both physically and mentally for the better. In 2020 the 50 pound weight loss has not return since it went away in 2015. My new WOE quickly reduced my pain from Ankylosing Spondylitis (arthritis) starting in 2014 so I was able to avoid starting on Enbrel injections for pain management.

    If interested read up on the ways one's gut microbiome can change what our bodies do with a calorie after we eat it.

    Calories are always a factor but seldom ever the primary cause of long term weight gains or losses.

    https://sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/09/190927135200.htm


    edited January 30
  • SnifterPugSnifterPug Posts: 252Member Member Posts: 252Member Member
    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0256/bf06835c5fc0d3b8eaa9f1e32f46934f3b69.pdf

    I am in no way advocating the red wine diet, and the study itself points out that for social drinkers alcohol calories should be treated as normal calories. Nevertheless, it would appear that a calorie is not always a calorie.

    I also recommend a new book just out by a bariatric surgeon who has been exploring why people become overweight and obese and has some very interesting things to say:

    Why We Eat (Too Much) by Dr Andrew Jenkinson
  • lemurcat2lemurcat2 Posts: 4,476Member Member Posts: 4,476Member Member
    hesn92 wrote: »
    All participants were given the exact same allotted calories regardless of their height, weight, activity level etc? How is that controlled?

    It wasn't.

    Without a metabolic chamber study, it's not telling us what OP thinks it is telling us.
Sign In or Register to comment.