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If a calorie is a calorie, why do we see this?
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Here is a different view on the same subject. The young man is a good presenter and his personal experience is also a good testimony, although all his cited references were already mentioned above. More on this starting at 4:00m, but the thermogenesis part earlier in his video is also interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCyECbA3pUw
I can't even get through the into. Nonsense...7 -
Here is a different view on the same subject. The young man is a good presenter and his personal experience is also a good testimony, although all his cited references were already mentioned above. More on this starting at 4:00m, but the thermogenesis part earlier in his video is also interesting.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCyECbA3pUw
I can't even get through the into. Nonsense...
Same. What BS!5 -
Here is a different view on the same subject. The young man is a good presenter and his personal experience is also a good testimony, although all his cited references were already mentioned above. More on this starting at 4:00m, but the thermogenesis part earlier in his video is also interesting.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCyECbA3pUw
I can't even get through the into. Nonsense...
I mean intro...3 -
Awesome! This makes sense. I mean, we burn more calories earlier in the day, right? So the energy from the big breakfast were utilized more than the ones eaten at dinner. Plus, with more calories, more energy, more energy, more calories burned. It's a good cycle when you start the day with plenty of energy to use!0
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Nah - it really doesnt matter when you eat your calories - just do what works for you in terms of timing.5
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Awesome! This makes sense. I mean, we burn more calories earlier in the day, right? So the energy from the big breakfast were utilized more than the ones eaten at dinner. Plus, with more calories, more energy, more energy, more calories burned. It's a good cycle when you start the day with plenty of energy to use!
It might make sense to you but in practice it is complete and utter rubbish.8 -
Awesome! This makes sense. I mean, we burn more calories earlier in the day, right? So the energy from the big breakfast were utilized more than the ones eaten at dinner. Plus, with more calories, more energy, more energy, more calories burned. It's a good cycle when you start the day with plenty of energy to use!
Except our bodies are good at storing energy so we can access the calories consumed the previous day.6 -
Personally - as someone who finds eating earlier in the day just makes me really hungry all day - I wish this "eat lots in the morning" mantra would die a quick but painful death.
I am convinced right through from being a child to about 10 years back when I read a forum where others were talking about being the same as me where breakfast is concerned, that this idea is one of the reasons I have struggled not to over eat and hence why I have been fat all my life.
Yet we are told eating breakfast is the key to being slim and healthy.
Bah!
I now never eat before lunch, generally much later if I can, my main meal at 8 or 9pm, and my final snack (generally porridge) not too long before bed. And I have just passed losing 5 and a half stone.9 -
"If a calorie is a calorie, why do we see this...?"
We continue to see this because it sells the idea that fat loss is easy and requires no effort. "Just do this, just eat this, just do this workout..." We continue to see it because people don't want to know the truth and the criminals who sell it should be ashamed of themselves...6 -
Of course none of this negates the fact that some people do better eating big early in the day. It's just that there are as many people who are the opposite. It is highly variable...5
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"If a calorie is a calorie, why do we see this...?"
We continue to see this because it sells the idea that fat loss is easy and requires no effort. "Just do this, just eat this, just do this workout..." We continue to see it because people don't want to know the truth and the criminals who sell it should be ashamed of themselves...
I want to correct this to say people don't want to see or believe the truth. I think everyone wants to know the truth, it's just that many times the truth is there but you don't want to believe it because it's not what you want to hear or fit into your personal narrative...2 -
I was 200lbs 6 months ago, I lost 45lbs eating 75% junk food. Right now i'm maintaining my weight eating 40-50% junk food, so I guess in terms of weight management a calorie is a calorie.
For weight management a calorie is a calorie.
You would hope that one would not have such a high percentage of their diet as self described "junk food", for long term health but carry on.4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »I was 200lbs 6 months ago, I lost 45lbs eating 75% junk food. Right now i'm maintaining my weight eating 40-50% junk food, so I guess in terms of weight management a calorie is a calorie.
For weight management a calorie is a calorie.
You would hope that one would not have such a high percentage of their diet as self described "junk food", for long term health but carry on.
Probably depends on what they consider "junk" food. Sort of like the myriad of definitions when it comes to "whole" foods or "clean" eating.12 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »I was 200lbs 6 months ago, I lost 45lbs eating 75% junk food. Right now i'm maintaining my weight eating 40-50% junk food, so I guess in terms of weight management a calorie is a calorie.
For weight management a calorie is a calorie.
You would hope that one would not have such a high percentage of their diet as self described "junk food", for long term health but carry on.
Probably depends on what they consider "junk" food. Sort of like the myriad of definitions when it comes to "whole" foods or "clean" eating.
Doesn't that just mean eating the whole pizza as opposed to a serving size?
Whole french bread.
Whole bag of M&M's.
Whole tub of ice cream.
Whole bag of chips.
And make sure the plate, bowl, container, spoon is clean?
I'd think whole foods might actually be a problem. Like me and M&M's.
And always trying to leave a clean plate (to somehow help the starving kids in name-your-country) could be a bit much.
Nope, whole foods and clean eating a bad idea.7 -
1 calorie is the amount of energy required to raise 1 gram of water by 1 degrees celsius. 1 Calorie (food calorie) is the amount of energy required to raise 1 liter of water by 1 degree celsius. So in a very real sense a calorie is a calorie in the same way as an inch is an inch and a pound is a pound. Doesn't matter if its a pound of bricks or a pound of feathers, an inch of string or an inch of steel, a calorie of cookie a calorie of lettuce. Its a unit of energy. When you do something with your body like, maintain it at 37C...move it up a hill etc that takes a certain amount of energy. That energy has to come from somewhere and in the case of us humans that source is the chemical bond energy contained in hydrocarbons in the form of the foods we eat.
So yes, a calorie is a calorie. The question you are asking about is more if there is any question of efficiency in metabolically utilizing that food energy. In otherwords is it possible that one person functionalizes 100% of the caloric content of their food while another person, for some reason, only functionalizes 25% of the caloric content of their food. But what that would mean would be that one person when eating 100 calories of cookies liberates 100 calories worth of energy from those cookies while the other person for some reason only liberates 25 calories. It can never go the other way, you can never derive 200 calories from 100 calories of cookies because that is physically impossible.
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Here is a different view on the same subject. The young man is a good presenter and his personal experience is also a good testimony, although all his cited references were already mentioned above. More on this starting at 4:00m, but the thermogenesis part earlier in his video is also interesting.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCyECbA3pUw
He starts off by agreeing calories in versus calories out.
It looks like as it goes on, he's just saying there is a difference in TEF for unprocessed food. One study he cites gives it as about 100 calories a day more for a more whoel foods diet. Okay.
So are you agree calories in versus calories out? Or are you just picked and choosing what you want to hear from the video with the part about TEF - which BTW, I don't think anyone understanding and advocating CICO or calorie counting is denying there can be differences in TEF for different diets.6 -
I was 200lbs 6 months ago, I lost 45lbs eating 75% junk food. Right now i'm maintaining my weight eating 40-50% junk food, so I guess in terms of weight management a calorie is a calorie.
Terrible conclusion. I guess that you didn't read anything, Those major studies show that if you eat most of your calories early in the days, you will lose weight quicker no matter the root cause. I gather that your experience has nothing to do with that.
The guy lost almost 50 pounds. Hello!2 -
Let's put it this way, if you eat most of your calories early in the day and are in a surplus, you're not losing fat. Don't major in the minors...3
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