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Thoughts on Beyond Burger and other fake meat

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  • For me — I prefer food that isn’t as processed.
  • genetix71
    genetix71 Posts: 44 Member
    its all fine with me, just call it what it is and not, fake turkey or fake bacon etc.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    genetix71 wrote: »
    its all fine with me, just call it what it is and not, fake turkey or fake bacon etc.

    What's wrong with calling something faux turkey or faux bacon or using the terms "plant-based" turkey or bacon?
  • saintor1
    saintor1 Posts: 376 Member
    Today I tried the Walmart's Ultimate Meatless Burger. It is inexpensive compared to others.
    https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/great-value-the-ultimate-meatless-burger/6000200049103


    Not bad for what it is. The only burger of this type that I really enjoyed was the Impossible Burger in a BK's Whopper.
  • corinasue1143
    corinasue1143 Posts: 7,460 Member
    I haven’t tried it. I like real burgers. I like black bean burgers(I like black beans). I like mushroom burgers(I really like mushrooms). All easy to make. All less expensive than beyond burgers. I just haven’t been looking for an alternative when I already like what I have.
  • Caratach
    Caratach Posts: 46 Member
    First, after looking forward to the Impossible Burger, I was disappointed in its statistics as it had a lot more sat. fat than many lean burgers. Second, the Heme they use for flavor supposedly is about as unhealthy as red meat anyway.
    Other brands do have better statistics and don't use heme. Beyond Burger is a little more health on straight up fat and salt than the Impossible if I remember correctly, but Awesome Burger and some other brands are even better.
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,885 Member
    Caratach wrote: »
    First, after looking forward to the Impossible Burger, I was disappointed in its statistics as it had a lot more sat. fat than many lean burgers. Second, the Heme they use for flavor supposedly is about as unhealthy as red meat anyway.

    It's not supposed to have better stats, it's supposed to mimic a fast food or other restaurant burger (depending on where served). I haven't had one, so can't compare, and also like my homemade lean burgers better than most higher fat/cal burgers anyway, but the concept of this one is not to be extra healthy, just meat-free and similar to what it is replacing.

    Like another poster said just above, I also like black bean burgers a lot, while not thinking they taste like burgers (of course). But if one likes restaurant burgers, it's nice to have an option that also can be vegan.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    Caratach wrote: »
    First, after looking forward to the Impossible Burger, I was disappointed in its statistics as it had a lot more sat. fat than many lean burgers. Second, the Heme they use for flavor supposedly is about as unhealthy as red meat anyway.

    It's not supposed to have better stats, it's supposed to mimic a fast food or other restaurant burger (depending on where served). I haven't had one, so can't compare, and also like my homemade lean burgers better than most higher fat/cal burgers anyway, but the concept of this one is not to be extra healthy, just meat-free and similar to what it is replacing.

    Like another poster said just above, I also like black bean burgers a lot, while not thinking they taste like burgers (of course). But if one likes restaurant burgers, it's nice to have an option that also can be vegan.

    Yes, we already have a variety of low fat and super-health focused vegetarian patties and it's noteworthy that these have NOT caught on in terms of widespread non-vegan interest. When people go to Burger King or similar places, they want a burger that resembles what is already sold there. They're not really interested in something that replicates a lean burger.

    I can remember McDonald's experimenting with a lean meat burger back in the 90s (??) and it was not a hit. So what Impossible is doing is trying to deliver -- in non-meat form -- what the mainstream market has already demonstrated that it wanted.
  • IronIsMyTherapy
    IronIsMyTherapy Posts: 482 Member
    Its Beyond me why someone would eat factory meat.
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,302 Member
    Factory meat ??

  • IronIsMyTherapy
    IronIsMyTherapy Posts: 482 Member
    Factory meat ??

    It's manufactured. Yes, it has natural veggies etc but also has a chemical laxative and artificial preservative. Bottom line, it's not meat; it's a bunch of ingredients blended up and made to imitate meat in a factory.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    Factory meat ??

    It's manufactured. Yes, it has natural veggies etc but also has a chemical laxative and artificial preservative. Bottom line, it's not meat; it's a bunch of ingredients blended up and made to imitate meat in a factory.

    Chemical laxative? Artificial preservatives?

    These are the Beyond Burger ingredients: Water, Pea Protein*, Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Refined Coconut Oil, Rice Protein, Natural Flavors, Cocoa Butter, Mung Bean Protein, Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Apple Extract, Pomegranate Extract, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Vinegar, Lemon Juice Concentrate, Sunflower Lecithin, Beet Juice Extract (for color).

    Can you let me know which ones you're referring to?
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,302 Member
    Factory meat ??

    It's manufactured. Yes, it has natural veggies etc but also has a chemical laxative and artificial preservative. Bottom line, it's not meat; it's a bunch of ingredients blended up and made to imitate meat in a factory.


    It is a burger patty - of course it is manufactured. And of course iit is a bunch of ingredients blended up .......isnt every recipe that???
    and of course It is not meat, that's the whole point.

    Nobody thinks burgers grow on trees, do they ??

    Possibly some prreservatives, Just like meat patties and most other non fresh raw foods

    Not sure what ingredient you think is a chemical laxative??? Or exactly what your point is????


  • BahstenB10
    BahstenB10 Posts: 227 Member
    As much as I want to try one of these things as I haven't eaten mammal in over 8 years, I can't justify 240 calories for only 20g of protein. It just won't fit my macros especially when it comes with 20g of fat. I prefer leaner sources of protein. From an ethical standpoint, I can support beyond burger but that's a conversation for another day.
  • IronIsMyTherapy
    IronIsMyTherapy Posts: 482 Member
    edited September 2020
    Factory meat ??

    It's manufactured. Yes, it has natural veggies etc but also has a chemical laxative and artificial preservative. Bottom line, it's not meat; it's a bunch of ingredients blended up and made to imitate meat in a factory.

    Chemical laxative? Artificial preservatives?

    These are the Beyond Burger ingredients: Water, Pea Protein*, Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Refined Coconut Oil, Rice Protein, Natural Flavors, Cocoa Butter, Mung Bean Protein, Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Apple Extract, Pomegranate Extract, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Vinegar, Lemon Juice Concentrate, Sunflower Lecithin, Beet Juice Extract (for color).

    Can you let me know which ones you're referring to?

    Methylcellulose is a bulk-forming laxative that increases the amount of water in your stools to help make them softer and easier to pass. Methylcellulose is used to treat constipation and to help maintain regular bowel movements.

    Potassium chloride (also known as KCl or potassium salt) is a metal halide salt composed of potassium and chlorine. It is odorless and has a white or colorless vitreous crystal appearance. The solid dissolves readily in water, and its solutions have a salt-like taste.
  • IronIsMyTherapy
    IronIsMyTherapy Posts: 482 Member
    edited September 2020
    Factory meat ??

    It's manufactured. Yes, it has natural veggies etc but also has a chemical laxative and artificial preservative. Bottom line, it's not meat; it's a bunch of ingredients blended up and made to imitate meat in a factory.


    It is a burger patty - of course it is manufactured. And of course iit is a bunch of ingredients blended up .......isnt every recipe that???
    and of course It is not meat, that's the whole point.

    Nobody thinks burgers grow on trees, do they ??

    Possibly some prreservatives, Just like meat patties and most other non fresh raw foods

    Not sure what ingredient you think is a chemical laxative??? Or exactly what your point is????


    Yes, but a beef burger patty is made of beef. Beef is meat. No, burgers don't grow on trees, they grow in cows which is very different than a mixture of natural and man made ingredients mixed up to IMITATE meat. The burgers I make are made of whole ingredients, not anything that is manufactured. And yes, LOTS of processed foods are no different; I choose to avoid all of them.

    Methylcellulose is the chemical laxative. My point is I'd prefer to not ingest Beyond meat and I don't understand why anyone would. But I don't have to understand, I support freedom of choice. Not sure why people seem to feel personally attacked lol. Just stating my opinion on a thread titled "Thoughts on Beyond Burger and other fake meat".
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    Factory meat ??

    It's manufactured. Yes, it has natural veggies etc but also has a chemical laxative and artificial preservative. Bottom line, it's not meat; it's a bunch of ingredients blended up and made to imitate meat in a factory.

    Chemical laxative? Artificial preservatives?

    These are the Beyond Burger ingredients: Water, Pea Protein*, Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Refined Coconut Oil, Rice Protein, Natural Flavors, Cocoa Butter, Mung Bean Protein, Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Apple Extract, Pomegranate Extract, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Vinegar, Lemon Juice Concentrate, Sunflower Lecithin, Beet Juice Extract (for color).

    Can you let me know which ones you're referring to?

    Methylcellulose is a bulk-forming laxative that increases the amount of water in your stools to help make them softer and easier to pass. Methylcellulose is used to treat constipation and to help maintain regular bowel movements.

    Potassium chloride (also known as KCl or potassium salt) is a metal halide salt composed of potassium and chlorine. It is odorless and has a white or colorless vitreous crystal appearance. The solid dissolves readily in water, and its solutions have a salt-like taste.

    In this case it's being used to add some bulk to the burger and it's below the dose needed to provide a laxative effect. So what's the exact concern, given that it's an approved food ingredient?

    And what's the concern with the salt?

    Most food can be described as a "bunch of ingredients" and the Beyond Burger is far from being the only product on the market to use a bulk agent or salt as a preservative. So why avoid this food in particular?
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,024 Member
    l4a_p wrote: »
    I tend to just read the ingredients on anything myself. If there's a bunch of unpronounceable things, I skip it. But veggie "burgers" in general have a rather short and clear ingredientlist in my experience.
    Read the chemical make up of an apple. Bet you can't pronounce all of them.


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  • IronIsMyTherapy
    IronIsMyTherapy Posts: 482 Member
    Factory meat ??

    It's manufactured. Yes, it has natural veggies etc but also has a chemical laxative and artificial preservative. Bottom line, it's not meat; it's a bunch of ingredients blended up and made to imitate meat in a factory.


    It is a burger patty - of course it is manufactured. And of course iit is a bunch of ingredients blended up .......isnt every recipe that???
    and of course It is not meat, that's the whole point.

    Nobody thinks burgers grow on trees, do they ??

    Possibly some prreservatives, Just like meat patties and most other non fresh raw foods

    Not sure what ingredient you think is a chemical laxative??? Or exactly what your point is????


    Yes, but a beef burger patty is made of beef. Beef is meat. No, burgers don't grow on trees, they grow in cows which is very different than a mixture of natural and man made ingredients mixed up to IMITATE meat. The burgers I make are made of whole ingredients, not anything that is manufactured. And yes, LOTS of processed foods are no different; I choose to avoid all of them.

    Methylcellulose is the chemical laxative. My point is I'd prefer to not ingest Beyond meat and I don't understand why anyone would. But I don't have to understand, I support freedom of choice. Not sure why people seem to feel personally attacked lol. Just stating my opinion on a thread titled "Thoughts on Beyond Burger and other fake meat".

    I don't think anyone feels personally attacked, it just seems odd to attack this food in particular for having a preservative or being put together in a factory when most fast food meat burgers have undergone a similar practice.

    I understand the burgers you make at home are from whole ingredients, but if you went to Burger King and got one of their burgers, it wouldn't be. The Beyond Burger should be judged on that standard, not against the standards of your diet that is preservative-free and consists only of whole foods.

    The non-meat eater who wants the same thing is already making their burgers at home, they're not out there buying Beyond Burgers.

    The reason I'm bringing this up is that it seems to be a recurrent theme in this thread. People are comparing the Beyond or Impossible Burger against the "pure" foods they're preparing for themselves and judging them as inferior.

    Let's say you had two options -- a Beyond Burger or a standard fast food burger. That's a more valid comparison. It's fine to say you'd choose neither, but your problem isn't really with the Beyond Burger in that situation, it's against food that has preservatives, isn't "whole," or involves industrial food production methods.

    Just seems odd to ask me to defend why I'm not a fan, which is where this started. Sure, they're probably no worse than a Whopper but I haven't been to Burger King in years and don't plan to go any sooner than I plan to have a Beyond burger; I'm not being inconsistent here. I AM judging them both on the same standards.

    Yes, if the thread was titled "Would you choose a Whopper or a Beyond Burger?" I'd probably have answered "whichever tastes better", but it's not. The whole point of this thread is to comment your thoughts; I guess negative thoughts aren't ok...?
  • IronIsMyTherapy
    IronIsMyTherapy Posts: 482 Member
    Factory meat ??

    It's manufactured. Yes, it has natural veggies etc but also has a chemical laxative and artificial preservative. Bottom line, it's not meat; it's a bunch of ingredients blended up and made to imitate meat in a factory.


    It is a burger patty - of course it is manufactured. And of course iit is a bunch of ingredients blended up .......isnt every recipe that???
    and of course It is not meat, that's the whole point.

    Nobody thinks burgers grow on trees, do they ??

    Possibly some prreservatives, Just like meat patties and most other non fresh raw foods

    Not sure what ingredient you think is a chemical laxative??? Or exactly what your point is????


    Yes, but a beef burger patty is made of beef. Beef is meat. No, burgers don't grow on trees, they grow in cows which is very different than a mixture of natural and man made ingredients mixed up to IMITATE meat. The burgers I make are made of whole ingredients, not anything that is manufactured. And yes, LOTS of processed foods are no different; I choose to avoid all of them.

    Methylcellulose is the chemical laxative. My point is I'd prefer to not ingest Beyond meat and I don't understand why anyone would. But I don't have to understand, I support freedom of choice. Not sure why people seem to feel personally attacked lol. Just stating my opinion on a thread titled "Thoughts on Beyond Burger and other fake meat".

    I don't think anyone feels personally attacked, it just seems odd to attack this food in particular for having a preservative or being put together in a factory when most fast food meat burgers have undergone a similar practice.

    I understand the burgers you make at home are from whole ingredients, but if you went to Burger King and got one of their burgers, it wouldn't be. The Beyond Burger should be judged on that standard, not against the standards of your diet that is preservative-free and consists only of whole foods.

    The non-meat eater who wants the same thing is already making their burgers at home, they're not out there buying Beyond Burgers.

    The reason I'm bringing this up is that it seems to be a recurrent theme in this thread. People are comparing the Beyond or Impossible Burger against the "pure" foods they're preparing for themselves and judging them as inferior.

    Let's say you had two options -- a Beyond Burger or a standard fast food burger. That's a more valid comparison. It's fine to say you'd choose neither, but your problem isn't really with the Beyond Burger in that situation, it's against food that has preservatives, isn't "whole," or involves industrial food production methods.

    Just seems odd to ask me to defend why I'm not a fan, which is where this started. Sure, they're probably no worse than a Whopper but I haven't been to Burger King in years and don't plan to go any sooner than I plan to have a Beyond burger; I'm not being inconsistent here. I AM judging them both on the same standards.

    Yes, if the thread was titled "Would you choose a Whopper or a Beyond Burger?" I'd probably have answered "whichever tastes better", but it's not. The whole point of this thread is to comment your thoughts; I guess negative thoughts aren't ok...?

    Nobody is saying your thoughts aren't "okay," it's that this is the debate section. When you make an argument here, people are going to respond to it. If you aren't comfortable with that or if you take it someone trying to silence you, maybe this isn't the best spot for you to post your thoughts.

    That your objection has nothing to do with the specific nature of the Beyond Burger or other faux meat is a useful clarification. It's more of an objection to any non-whole food, including fast food meat burgers, and that is absolutely relevant.

    Ahh, fair enough. I didn't realize this was the debate section.

    In that case, my stance is that it's not the smartest choice from a health perspective which doesn't quite align with the marketing stance of imitation meat companies. I'm not going to choose a Beyond Burger OR a Whopper if a homemade 93% or bison burger is an option. I also think fake meat is a dumb concept overall; if you dont eat flesh for moral reasons, why would you want imitation flesh? If you choose it for health reasons, aren't you aiming a little low? But obviously theres a huge market that disagrees.
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,885 Member
    edited September 2020
    Factory meat ??

    It's manufactured. Yes, it has natural veggies etc but also has a chemical laxative and artificial preservative. Bottom line, it's not meat; it's a bunch of ingredients blended up and made to imitate meat in a factory.

    Chemical laxative? Artificial preservatives?

    These are the Beyond Burger ingredients: Water, Pea Protein*, Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Refined Coconut Oil, Rice Protein, Natural Flavors, Cocoa Butter, Mung Bean Protein, Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Apple Extract, Pomegranate Extract, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Vinegar, Lemon Juice Concentrate, Sunflower Lecithin, Beet Juice Extract (for color).

    Can you let me know which ones you're referring to?

    Methylcellulose is a bulk-forming laxative that increases the amount of water in your stools to help make them softer and easier to pass. Methylcellulose is used to treat constipation and to help maintain regular bowel movements.

    Potassium chloride (also known as KCl or potassium salt) is a metal halide salt composed of potassium and chlorine. It is odorless and has a white or colorless vitreous crystal appearance. The solid dissolves readily in water, and its solutions have a salt-like taste.

    In this case it's being used to add some bulk to the burger and it's below the dose needed to provide a laxative effect. So what's the exact concern, given that it's an approved food ingredient?

    It's also basically fiber. Yes, burgers don't normally have fiber, but plenty of plant-based foods do, and cellulose itself is in many of them. Of course this version is manmade, but I don't get why it's meaningfully different. I don't supplement fiber since I get plenty in foods, but many do, and this ingredient is probably the most common way to do so.

    Re the salt, I admit it, I often add salt to my food when cooking (even ground beef!). I've also been known to put pickles (which tend to be high sodium) on a burger, and to put said burger on a, gasp! bun, which of course is not a whole food. Of course, the salt I use is sodium chloride, not potassium chloride, but it's not like potassium is worse for you than sodium (many get told to switch their type of salt by their doctor for health reasons, in fact).
  • sakurablossoms82
    sakurablossoms82 Posts: 62 Member
    I'm a vegetarian and not all vegetarians have time to spend a lot of time in the kitchen or don't want too. And instead want to take it easy and go for vegetarian burgers, nuggets or whatever replacement for meat. Same goes for vegans I assume.

    I think it's better to eat meat replacements like the beyond meat burger than eating a burger made out of meat.

    Nothing against people who eat meat or fish, you do you....
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,302 Member
    Factory meat ??

    It's manufactured. Yes, it has natural veggies etc but also has a chemical laxative and artificial preservative. Bottom line, it's not meat; it's a bunch of ingredients blended up and made to imitate meat in a factory.

    Chemical laxative? Artificial preservatives?

    These are the Beyond Burger ingredients: Water, Pea Protein*, Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Refined Coconut Oil, Rice Protein, Natural Flavors, Cocoa Butter, Mung Bean Protein, Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Apple Extract, Pomegranate Extract, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Vinegar, Lemon Juice Concentrate, Sunflower Lecithin, Beet Juice Extract (for color).

    Can you let me know which ones you're referring to?

    Methylcellulose is a bulk-forming laxative that increases the amount of water in your stools to help make them softer and easier to pass. Methylcellulose is used to treat constipation and to help maintain regular bowel movements.

    Potassium chloride (also known as KCl or potassium salt) is a metal halide salt composed of potassium and chlorine. It is odorless and has a white or colorless vitreous crystal appearance. The solid dissolves readily in water, and its solutions have a salt-like taste.

    In this case it's being used to add some bulk to the burger and it's below the dose needed to provide a laxative effect. So what's the exact concern, given that it's an approved food ingredient?

    And what's the concern with the salt?

    Most food can be described as a "bunch of ingredients" and the Beyond Burger is far from being the only product on the market to use a bulk agent or salt as a preservative. So why avoid this food in particular?

    The concern is just that I prefer to avoid processed food. Why care if I avoid it? I sure don't care if you don't avoid it. I always find it interesting why people feel the need to defend their food choices; it feels like insecurity. I know how I prefer to eat, I know what works for me. If someone says "I love Beyond burgers!", I don't feel the need to convince them otherwise.

    I would say your defensiveness seems like insecurity to me.

    I also think you are misreading other posters replies - certainly mine.

    I don't care if you avoid it and I am not defending my own food choices - in fact I said earlier I do not eat burgers at all, either meat or non meat ones.
    Nothing to do with my superior non processed foods diet - I just dont like them.
    I do eat rissoles sometimes but I don't like the everything piled up in a bun format.

    I do care that objections make sense though - objecting to ingredients because in larger doses they are fibre supplements or calling something obviously not a whole food ' blended ingredients ' as if that is some unique horrid thing - doesn't make sense.

    If you just wouldn't eat them because you don't eat processed food, then just say that

    It isn't really a comment about Beyond burger but, sure, it is your view about food in general.

  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,097 Member
    Factory meat ??

    It's manufactured. Yes, it has natural veggies etc but also has a chemical laxative and artificial preservative. Bottom line, it's not meat; it's a bunch of ingredients blended up and made to imitate meat in a factory.


    It is a burger patty - of course it is manufactured. And of course iit is a bunch of ingredients blended up .......isnt every recipe that???
    and of course It is not meat, that's the whole point.

    Nobody thinks burgers grow on trees, do they ??

    Possibly some prreservatives, Just like meat patties and most other non fresh raw foods

    Not sure what ingredient you think is a chemical laxative??? Or exactly what your point is????


    Yes, but a beef burger patty is made of beef. Beef is meat. No, burgers don't grow on trees, they grow in cows which is very different than a mixture of natural and man made ingredients mixed up to IMITATE meat. The burgers I make are made of whole ingredients, not anything that is manufactured. And yes, LOTS of processed foods are no different; I choose to avoid all of them.

    Methylcellulose is the chemical laxative. My point is I'd prefer to not ingest Beyond meat and I don't understand why anyone would. But I don't have to understand, I support freedom of choice. Not sure why people seem to feel personally attacked lol. Just stating my opinion on a thread titled "Thoughts on Beyond Burger and other fake meat".

    I don't think anyone feels personally attacked, it just seems odd to attack this food in particular for having a preservative or being put together in a factory when most fast food meat burgers have undergone a similar practice.

    I understand the burgers you make at home are from whole ingredients, but if you went to Burger King and got one of their burgers, it wouldn't be. The Beyond Burger should be judged on that standard, not against the standards of your diet that is preservative-free and consists only of whole foods.

    The non-meat eater who wants the same thing is already making their burgers at home, they're not out there buying Beyond Burgers.

    The reason I'm bringing this up is that it seems to be a recurrent theme in this thread. People are comparing the Beyond or Impossible Burger against the "pure" foods they're preparing for themselves and judging them as inferior.

    Let's say you had two options -- a Beyond Burger or a standard fast food burger. That's a more valid comparison. It's fine to say you'd choose neither, but your problem isn't really with the Beyond Burger in that situation, it's against food that has preservatives, isn't "whole," or involves industrial food production methods.

    Just seems odd to ask me to defend why I'm not a fan, which is where this started. Sure, they're probably no worse than a Whopper but I haven't been to Burger King in years and don't plan to go any sooner than I plan to have a Beyond burger; I'm not being inconsistent here. I AM judging them both on the same standards.

    Yes, if the thread was titled "Would you choose a Whopper or a Beyond Burger?" I'd probably have answered "whichever tastes better", but it's not. The whole point of this thread is to comment your thoughts; I guess negative thoughts aren't ok...?

    Nobody is saying your thoughts aren't "okay," it's that this is the debate section. When you make an argument here, people are going to respond to it. If you aren't comfortable with that or if you take it someone trying to silence you, maybe this isn't the best spot for you to post your thoughts.

    That your objection has nothing to do with the specific nature of the Beyond Burger or other faux meat is a useful clarification. It's more of an objection to any non-whole food, including fast food meat burgers, and that is absolutely relevant.

    Ahh, fair enough. I didn't realize this was the debate section.

    In that case, my stance is that it's not the smartest choice from a health perspective which doesn't quite align with the marketing stance of imitation meat companies. I'm not going to choose a Beyond Burger OR a Whopper if a homemade 93% or bison burger is an option. I also think fake meat is a dumb concept overall; if you dont eat flesh for moral reasons, why would you want imitation flesh? If you choose it for health reasons, aren't you aiming a little low? But obviously theres a huge market that disagrees.

    If someone's objection to meat is moral, not aesthetic, I don't see any reason they wouldn't want fake meat. Their moral objection isn't to the appearance or the taste; their moral objection is to the death of the animal or the suffering of the animal or the using of another living being as a means to their own ends (a tasty meal) rather than viewing it as an end in itself.