Coronavirus prep

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  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,563 Member
    edited April 2020
    mph323 wrote: »
    JustSomeEm wrote: »
    mph323 wrote: »
    There was a drive by shooting last night a couple of blocks from us. Same area where there have been several shootings in the past (one just last year). Someone was airlifted to the hospital with a head wound. I know it has to do with just a few houses on that block but I'm still shaken.

    Then I get on Next Door to see what happened, and 5G lady is going on about towers going up secretly overnight without notification and it's very concerning. According to some conspiracy site she posted "the towers transmit waves that cause flu-like symptoms that worsen (just like coronavirus) even to the extent of death".

    Meanwhile my husband and I stopped by a friend's house to drop off a bike wheel that's been in the trunk of his car since he got furloughed. We talked face to face while she sat on the lawn and we sat in the car, and I was so pathetically happy to have an actual in person conversation.

    This is a strange conspiracy theory that has been thoroughly debunked.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-coronavirus-5g-idUSKBN2133TI

    Oh yeah, plenty of reliable sites debunking the insanity, that's a good one. This same person believes that 5G is a conspiracy by the government to monitor the activities of every one in th US (they need the internet capacity to do it). And the government will DELETE the post because they don't want anyone to know what they're doing. All I can say is

    1. Mobile providers can already trace the movements of anyone with an active cell phone. I think it's the CDC that's using the technology to track COVID-19 exposure and infection vectors. They don't need 5G to do that.

    2. What on earth is the government (or any agency) going to do with billions of reports of people going to work, the store, school, whatever most of us do on a daily basis? Who's going to pick through all that data to pinpoint Random Person who who attended last night's rally of people who suspect the government is tracking their every move?

    Not who. What. As in computers and algorithms. No, I'm not a conspiracy nut, but when you throw weak arguments like that at a conspiracy theory, you only make it easier for them to incorporate straw man arguments into their justifications.

    Yes ultimately computers will do the work but we are really far from having the capability to sort through billions upon billions of data bits to identify and track whatever info is considered a threat. We absolutely have the capability to target and capture communications that fall into specific threat categories but human analysts (themselves a scarce resource) are still required to determine how limited resources will be allocated.

    I don't agree it's a weak argument but I do agree it's unlikely to convince anyone who already believes [insert agency name] is hell-bent on tracking their every move that it's just not possible with the technology we have today or will have in the foreseeable future.

    I do believe that the type of targeted tracking we are capable of doing already feeds the fear some people have that someone is always looking over their shoulder. I also believe that that kind of tracking raises huge privacy red flags, even when used for what would be considered a good cause such as tracing tracking virus exposure.

    ETA I'm not a conspiracy theorist either 😄 My career has given me some insight into how tracking communications works, though I'm absolutely not claiming expert status or asserting my view as ground truth 😊
  • L1zardQueen
    L1zardQueen Posts: 8,753 Member
    This is an interesting documentary on tracking everything through people’s mobile devices in China. It is scary.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/how-chinas-high-tech-eyes-monitor-behavior-and-dissent
  • Unicorn_Bacon
    Unicorn_Bacon Posts: 491 Member
    This is an interesting documentary on tracking everything through people’s mobile devices in China. It is scary.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/how-chinas-high-tech-eyes-monitor-behavior-and-dissent

    The facial recognition there reminds me of the red queen in the hive in resident evil. All they are missing the the little girl saying "you're all going to die down here"

    Lol.. but it's pretty sad that someone is considered untrustworthy because they jay walked across the street. Lol... I'm the most awful untrustworthy person ever then
  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    edited April 2020
    lemurcat2 wrote: »

    My note: I think the neighborhood by neighborhood approach wouldn't work as well now, where there is a lot of interaction between neighborhoods -- kind of surprised it could work even back then.

    They're currently doing something similar here, but by provenance. I agree, each neighborhood having a different timeline would be a logistical nightmare.

    Starting next week, the southernmost provenance (very far from all known clusters) will gradually open up. They will concentrate testing there for the next 3 days and if all results are negative they will isolate it (no one is allowed in or out) and gradually ease lockdown. The rest of the country will still be in lockdown, and certain neighborhoods or buildings where cases are clustered are completely quarantined off and not allowed to leave. Maybe that's what they mean? Focusing on closing off infected neighborhoods instead of having actual timelines for each neighborhood?
  • Unicorn_Bacon
    Unicorn_Bacon Posts: 491 Member
    That's a shame that ambulances and hospital workers were left to suffer... no belief in my opinion should cost lives in its protest or support
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,885 Member
    lemurcat2 wrote: »

    My note: I think the neighborhood by neighborhood approach wouldn't work as well now, where there is a lot of interaction between neighborhoods -- kind of surprised it could work even back then.

    They're currently doing something similar here, but by provenance. I agree, each neighborhood having a different timeline would be a logistical nightmare.

    Starting next week, the southernmost provenance (very far from all known clusters) will gradually open up. They will concentrate testing there for the next 3 days and if all results are negative they will isolate it (no one is allowed in or out) and gradually ease lockdown. The rest of the country will still be in lockdown, and certain neighborhoods or buildings where cases are clustered are completely quarantined off and not allowed to leave. Maybe that's what they mean? Focusing on closing off infected neighborhoods instead of having actual timelines for each neighborhood?

    I don't think they will try neighborhood by neighborhood this time. That's just what they did in 1918. I can see better testing, testing for antibodies (if they actually prove to prevent reinfection) and then better quarantining of those infected, perhaps.

    I was thinking about county by county since there are real differences here, but it's hard to imagine even that working as people are so mobile. I think one thing they will do is open up partially but keep social distancing in place in a lot of ways, and no gatherings above certain sizes still.
  • JustSomeEm
    JustSomeEm Posts: 20,288 MFP Moderator
    Quick update from slightly south of DC (in MD). Masks have become almost mandatory in the area. Several surrounding counties have mandated masks when shopping, and I suspect that my county will come on board shortly. Many stores in the area are already mandating a mask when on their premises. I have a few coming via Amazon eventually, but heaven only knows when they'll get here. In the meantime, I've been heading out with my winter running gator... Also, still working from home and seeking TP. I think I may head to Walmart first thing in the morning tomorrow to see if there is any. And working from home is becoming a bit easier. I wonder if they'll let us continue to do so every once in a while after we are told we can head back to the office...
  • lkpducky
    lkpducky Posts: 17,750 Member
    In Los Angeles County, concerts and sporting events may be cancelled through next year
    https://patch.com/california/culvercity/s/h30mz/coronavirus-may-cancel-la-sports-concerts-until-2021-report?utm_source=alert-breakingnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alert
    Our stay-at-home order is through May 15. I don't know if that will change over the coming days or not.
  • kimny72
    kimny72 Posts: 16,011 Member
    JustSomeEm wrote: »
    Quick update from slightly south of DC (in MD). Masks have become almost mandatory in the area. Several surrounding counties have mandated masks when shopping, and I suspect that my county will come on board shortly. Many stores in the area are already mandating a mask when on their premises. I have a few coming via Amazon eventually, but heaven only knows when they'll get here. In the meantime, I've been heading out with my winter running gator... Also, still working from home and seeking TP. I think I may head to Walmart first thing in the morning tomorrow to see if there is any. And working from home is becoming a bit easier. I wonder if they'll let us continue to do so every once in a while after we are told we can head back to the office...

    I ordered a couple of masks from a couple of different places hoping one of them will get to me before the end of the month. Work was nice enough to get us all one but it's too big for me and I'm not sure I have the creative skills to make it work lol. I've tried a couple of no sew ones myself, but they've all been too hard to breathe with so far.

    In town I'd say maybe half the people out and about are wearing masks. Out here in the rural counties I'll just see one here or there. It's really easy to stay 6-10 ft away from people and we have very few cases, so I think a lot of people think it's a waste. I hope they're not taking too much of a gamble. There are no mask requirements here I central VA, just recommended.
  • JRsLateInLifeMom
    JRsLateInLifeMom Posts: 2,275 Member
    edited April 2020
    No mandatory masks here in Texas. Heard USA president talking about opening the country back up soon.Will see who he opens up or not - plus how it goes. I’m still waiting to see our jump in cases from Easter parties. Good news is after that cops are getting like only 40calls a day now so way less work for them so they can concentrate on more important stuff like assisting Medical facilities to food drives ect