Coronavirus prep
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There was a drive by shooting last night a couple of blocks from us. Same area where there have been several shootings in the past (one just last year). Someone was airlifted to the hospital with a head wound. I know it has to do with just a few houses on that block but I'm still shaken.
Then I get on Next Door to see what happened, and 5G lady is going on about towers going up secretly overnight without notification and it's very concerning. According to some conspiracy site she posted "the towers transmit waves that cause flu-like symptoms that worsen (just like coronavirus) even to the extent of death".
Meanwhile my husband and I stopped by a friend's house to drop off a bike wheel that's been in the trunk of his car since he got furloughed. We talked face to face while she sat on the lawn and we sat in the car, and I was so pathetically happy to have an actual in person conversation.
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There was a drive by shooting last night a couple of blocks from us. Same area where there have been several shootings in the past (one just last year). Someone was airlifted to the hospital with a head wound. I know it has to do with just a few houses on that block but I'm still shaken.
Then I get on Next Door to see what happened, and 5G lady is going on about towers going up secretly overnight without notification and it's very concerning. According to some conspiracy site she posted "the towers transmit waves that cause flu-like symptoms that worsen (just like coronavirus) even to the extent of death".
Meanwhile my husband and I stopped by a friend's house to drop off a bike wheel that's been in the trunk of his car since he got furloughed. We talked face to face while she sat on the lawn and we sat in the car, and I was so pathetically happy to have an actual in person conversation.
The conspiracy theories are fascinating, until you start to wonder what it would be like to live in that person's head. Then they are just sad and scary.
I haven't needed to go shopping for weeks now, and so today I donned my gloves and a mask I got from my doc back in January when I had pneumonia, and I braved Costco with my $100 cash card. Of course, I spent way more than that, and I now have enough food for a decade. Plenty of TP and paper towel (didn't need either, was just curious), no hand sanitizer (could have used, but can survive without), and about 50% of people were wearing masks. Only noticed a few people picking stuff up and putting it back down, but most were pretty good overall.7 -
There was a drive by shooting last night a couple of blocks from us. Same area where there have been several shootings in the past (one just last year). Someone was airlifted to the hospital with a head wound. I know it has to do with just a few houses on that block but I'm still shaken.
Then I get on Next Door to see what happened, and 5G lady is going on about towers going up secretly overnight without notification and it's very concerning. According to some conspiracy site she posted "the towers transmit waves that cause flu-like symptoms that worsen (just like coronavirus) even to the extent of death".
Meanwhile my husband and I stopped by a friend's house to drop off a bike wheel that's been in the trunk of his car since he got furloughed. We talked face to face while she sat on the lawn and we sat in the car, and I was so pathetically happy to have an actual in person conversation.
This is a strange conspiracy theory that has been thoroughly debunked.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-coronavirus-5g-idUSKBN2133TI
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LzardQueen- not sure the news mentioned it hubby said I was surprised cause I thought it was working good enough for now. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/health/chloroquine-coronavirus-trump.html
This is what hubby showed me Said heart issues with it0 -
JustSomeEm wrote: »There was a drive by shooting last night a couple of blocks from us. Same area where there have been several shootings in the past (one just last year). Someone was airlifted to the hospital with a head wound. I know it has to do with just a few houses on that block but I'm still shaken.
Then I get on Next Door to see what happened, and 5G lady is going on about towers going up secretly overnight without notification and it's very concerning. According to some conspiracy site she posted "the towers transmit waves that cause flu-like symptoms that worsen (just like coronavirus) even to the extent of death".
Meanwhile my husband and I stopped by a friend's house to drop off a bike wheel that's been in the trunk of his car since he got furloughed. We talked face to face while she sat on the lawn and we sat in the car, and I was so pathetically happy to have an actual in person conversation.
This is a strange conspiracy theory that has been thoroughly debunked.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-coronavirus-5g-idUSKBN2133TI
Oh yeah, plenty of reliable sites debunking the insanity, that's a good one. This same person believes that 5G is a conspiracy by the government to monitor the activities of every one in th US (they need the internet capacity to do it). And the government will DELETE the post because they don't want anyone to know what they're doing. All I can say is
1. Mobile providers can already trace the movements of anyone with an active cell phone. I think it's the CDC that's using the technology to track COVID-19 exposure and infection vectors. They don't need 5G to do that.
2. What on earth is the government (or any agency) going to do with billions of reports of people going to work, the store, school, whatever most of us do on a daily basis? Who's going to pick through all that data to pinpoint Random Person who who attended last night's rally of people who suspect the government is tracking their every move?10 -
Yes, hydroxychloroquine has been associated with heart conditions
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2017/009768s037s045s047lbl.pdf
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Also, drug interactions (page 5) people with diabetes or heart conditions would have to be watched in case there are effects on drugs they're already taking.
We need to consider that the population at risk of serious COVID-19 illness already includes people with heart conditions and/or diabetes, so would hydroxychloroquine make them sicker?
Other things to consider:
How long had patients been taking the drug before heart problems came up? how long would COVID-19 patients need to take the drug?
What dose were they taking? what dose would be needed for COVID-19?6 -
Yes, hydroxychloroquine has been associated with heart conditions
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2017/009768s037s045s047lbl.pdf
Scroll to page 4
Also, drug interactions (page 5) people with diabetes or heart conditions would have to be watched in case there are effects on drugs they're already taking.
We need to consider that the population at risk of serious COVID-19 illness already includes people with heart conditions and/or diabetes, so would hydroxychloroquine make them sicker?
Other things to consider:
How long had patients been taking the drug before heart problems came up? how long would COVID-19 patients need to take the drug?
What dose were they taking? what dose would be needed for COVID-19?
Here's another article on the topic
https://www.sciencealert.com/clinical-trial-for-high-dose-of-chloroquine-stopped-early-due-to-safety-concerns
There are some other drug trials going on at the moment, hopefully one or more will be successful for treating the virus.2 -
It's amazing how much even useless stupid information is shared that people just read and share with absolutely no validation..
I mean.. someone could easily tell me or share a fb post that lightbulbs have been inserted with spy cameras and microphones and it's been used to monitor my everyday life to keep better control on us as a mass group.
And all it took was one facebook post shared by someone on your friends list.
All it would need to be is a youtube video someone created themselves magically pulling out those devices from a lightbulb and that's it. Its shared millions of times and people go to work and have chats with their co workers about this crazy video they saw and people who hadn't seen it go.. omg, are you serious? And make some joke about going home and checking all their lightbulbs, even tho, most people dont actually.. but sometimes that stuff just hits those random few people..
I've had two people I know personally who have forwarded me things about covid that are absolutely false, and I have sent them links in return, showing them that this is unfortunately not at all true, but they dont share that, they dont even acknowledge I sent it sometimes.. and how many people did they send it to? I mean one thing that was forwarded to me was about how taking sips of warm water every 10 min would wash covid down into your stomach leaving the acid to kill the virus.. how many people are probably sipping that warm water now, believing that they're protected.
What makes someone just believe a message forwarded to them without taking the time to fact check it first? I wonder how the theory of 5g towers was started..
You know... I have a co worker who believes that Chapman's ice cream is responsible for a power outage in his home that cause a power surge and fried his tv and video games and what have you.. so he refuses to bring chapmans ice cream into the house..
Did a tower go up and someone just get sick and they just somehow decided there was a link? I mean I'm sure if my co worker tried hard enough to the right people that chapmans ice cream was really to blame rather then it being a series of unfortunate events, there would be people out there who would believe it.
And while he believes chapmans is a bad omen, he doesnt believe the earth is flat or the moon landing was fake, so I wonder what is it, about certain stories that cause one person to another to either believe or not believe..
The human mind is so complex lol
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As of yesterday we're officially homeschooling with google classroom. It's pretty sucky. When the teachers were initially talking to us about this it sounded like it would be a couple of hours per day, but they've rolled out entire daily assignments as if they were back in the classroom. Very difficult to keep up as both my wife and are are working from home most of the time and we still have to work and meet our deadlines, etc. We're doing the best we can, but there's no way we can keep up with what is actually being sent out while working full time.17
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Things just got stricter at the nursing home..
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Wonder if they could still use the drug on the ones who have a severe case of Covid but no history of major health issues still?0
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An acquaintance of mine through other friends has just recovered. He was two weeks in hospital with 11 days in ICU in induced coma on a ventilator. Pretty healthy guy of 38 years old. He just got out on Saturday. Our mortality numbers have jumped 55% in the last two days. Currently 1,345 positive cases out of 31,970 tests. 31 deaths now with 87 in the hospital. 304 recovered as designated by DOH.
I'd be really curious to know how many of those hospitalized are in ICUs...the last time I looked, we had around 54 ICU beds available in the state, but that is always a rolling number and I can't find it anywhere now.3 -
I'm going to try very hard to keep this nonpolitical, in the hope that it will be acceptable according to MFP usage terms.
I think it's worth sharing from a human behavior standpoint.
Here in Michigan, various people feel that the governor/state government is not handling the coronavirus crisis properly (in various ways). One segment is organizing a protest in the state capital (Lansing), in which they hope to achieve a major, noisy traffic jam to oppose what state government is doing. I've heard about this from multiple sources, some in favor and others in opposition to the protest.
I have an opinion about this, of course . . . but I'm not sharing it, because that would be political. I think this is interesting, in a non-partisan sense, as an insight to how people may think about protest and civil disobedience in this kind of situation. In this post, I'm not urging others to support or oppose Michigan's policies, or this protest.
Nothing in the graphic I'm posting takes a clear partisan political perspective. It just describes the organization of the protest.
In my understanding, this is what is proposed:
Please keep any replies non-political.
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I'm going to try very hard to keep this nonpolitical, in the hope that it will be acceptable according to MFP usage terms.
I think it's worth sharing from a human behavior standpoint.
Here in Michigan, various people feel that the governor/state government is not handling the coronavirus crisis properly (in various ways). One segment is organizing a protest in the state capital (Lansing), in which they hope to achieve a major, noisy traffic jam to oppose what state government is doing. I've heard about this from multiple sources, some in favor and others in opposition to the protest.
I have an opinion about this, of course . . . but I'm not sharing it, because that would be political. I think this is interesting, in a non-partisan sense, as an insight to how people may think about protest and civil disobedience in this kind of situation. In this post, I'm not urging others to support or oppose Michigan's policies, or this protest.
Nothing in the graphic I'm posting takes a clear partisan political perspective. It just describes the organization of the protest.
In my understanding, this is what is proposed:
Please keep any replies non-political.
I think the people organizing this are irresponsible. There are other ways to protest.14 -
@AnnPT77 my first thought is that expecting people who are upset about the lockdown to show up but adhere to all those rules is... unrealistic. Those looking for the quarantine to end most likely feel the costs outweight the benefit because they think the risks are overblown in the first place.
Also I've never been in gridlock traffic where it was easy to get out of the way of emergency vehicles. I would hope that even with good intentions they don't end up slowing down any such vehicles. Not knowing the area though I'm not sure if there's any real danger of that.
Considering how universally annoying sitting in traffic is, I'm curious how many people will voluntarily put themselves into a purposeful traffic jam in order to theoretically make a point!
Personally, I think the extra risks of drawing people together like that, possible accidents, crowds forming, frustrated drivers, extra work for law enforcement etc is a bad idea.18 -
Yes definitely another example of how complex the mind is.
Let's use my co worker who believes chapmans is to blame... I asked him if anything else was also in his freezer at the time this happened and he told me yes, so I asked him why he didnt think any of those other things also contributed to the power surge, and he said because the ice cream was just bought and was new.
I thought that was kind of interesting.. lol.. that would mean that he would have to believe that that whole line of ice cream comes with bad luck not just the specific ones he picked.. and also, if there was no relating stories from others, as I imagine if everyone's appliances all exploded after putting chapmans ice cream in the freezer, it would be on the news lol.. how come he is so sure it was chapmans.. what about the lightning storm we were having? Would that power surge not of happened if he had put a no name brand in his freezer instead? Or would be then think it was the no name? Lol3 -
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@AnnPT77 my first thought is that expecting people who are upset about the lockdown to show up but adhere to all those rules is... unrealistic. Those looking for the quarantine to end most likely feel the costs outweight the benefit because they think the risks are overblown in the first place.
Also I've never been in gridlock traffic where it was easy to get out of the way of emergency vehicles. I would hope that even with good intentions they don't end up slowing down any such vehicles. Not knowing the area though I'm not sure if there's any real danger of that.
Considering how universally annoying sitting in traffic is, I'm curious how many people will voluntarily put themselves into a purposeful traffic jam in order to theoretically make a point!
Personally, I think the extra risks of drawing people together like that, possible accidents, crowds forming, frustrated drivers, extra work for law enforcement etc is a bad idea.
As background:
Traffic jams are not normally a big deal here, unless an accident/closure/road conditions back things up temporarily. There are two high-travel freeway segments in the city that have very short quasi-traffic jams (mostly slowdowns) at rush hours (I'd say for less than half an hour twice a day), without some unusual conditions. I believe they intend to head toward the capitol building, which is surrounded by 2 to 4 lane surface roads, some of them one-way. If there are enough cars, it will be possible to create gridlock there, especially when intending to do that.
I know some people who've implied that they will go to this (by posting positive things about it in social media). I didn't try to confirm their plans.
If I learn anything useful about how popular/well-attended this was, or how people behaved, I'll report back after the fact, if it makes sense, assuming there's politically-neutral information that can be shared. If it turns out to be heavily-attended, I'd be surprised if there wasn't national coverage.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »As of yesterday we're officially homeschooling with google classroom. It's pretty sucky. When the teachers were initially talking to us about this it sounded like it would be a couple of hours per day, but they've rolled out entire daily assignments as if they were back in the classroom. Very difficult to keep up as both my wife and are are working from home most of the time and we still have to work and meet our deadlines, etc. We're doing the best we can, but there's no way we can keep up with what is actually being sent out while working full time.
I feel like these expectations are so unfair to parents.5 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »
I can't really answer that, I think, without being partisan/political. If you Google the #hashtag in the graphic, you'll see many reports - probably mostly from supporters - about what's going on.
The protestors do not support the state government's current orders, which have locked things down quite tightly for a now-extended period (I believe until the end of April, at this point), allowing only fairly narrowly-defined "essential businesses" to be open. Among people I know, those supporting the protest were not fans of the current administration even before this. Supporters predict 15,000 or more will show up.3 -
That is an odd one, Krissy.
I'm descended from Chapmans. I should call him. His car would probably die.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »As of yesterday we're officially homeschooling with google classroom. It's pretty sucky. When the teachers were initially talking to us about this it sounded like it would be a couple of hours per day, but they've rolled out entire daily assignments as if they were back in the classroom. Very difficult to keep up as both my wife and are are working from home most of the time and we still have to work and meet our deadlines, etc. We're doing the best we can, but there's no way we can keep up with what is actually being sent out while working full time.
I feel like these expectations are so unfair to parents.
I wonder whether, on average, this will translate, post-crisis, to better support for schools in appreciation of what they do; or to (essentially) punishing them for over-burdening parents in what is already a difficult time.
(Either way, I'm not suggesting the result would be planned, considered behavior - wonder more what the subtle influence on attitudes will be, and how that may translate into voting decisions on future school funding, for example.)1 -
cmriverside wrote: »That is an odd one, Krissy.
I'm descended from Chapmans. I should call him. His car would probably die.
🤣🤣🤣
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L1zardQueen wrote: »
Not sure about Michigan, but there have been grumblings here in NM and I've seen some talk of similar things though nothing to the extent of planning an actual protest. There are a lot of people here who think the measures taken were too stringent since we have 1,345 cases and 31 deaths as of current, and most of those are in Bernalillo and Sandoval Counties which are largely comprised of the Albuquerque/Rio Rancho metro area.
What a lot of people fail to realize is that our numbers are low because we locked things up pretty quickly and if that hadn't happened, our numbers would be much higher. That said, I can certainly understand the grumblings of the many in small rural settings that have had there already limited options shuttered for something that isn't particularly prevalent or completely non-existent in their communities.
It is also hard for people to understand shuttering everything up when good chunk of our new cases (around 100ish +/- per day) are occurring in places like assisted living facilities, nursing homes, and with infected health care professionals. Basically, if you live outside of the ABQ metro, Santa Fe, or Las Cruces, all of this seems insane and people are starting to get pissed off.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »As of yesterday we're officially homeschooling with google classroom. It's pretty sucky. When the teachers were initially talking to us about this it sounded like it would be a couple of hours per day, but they've rolled out entire daily assignments as if they were back in the classroom. Very difficult to keep up as both my wife and are are working from home most of the time and we still have to work and meet our deadlines, etc. We're doing the best we can, but there's no way we can keep up with what is actually being sent out while working full time.
I feel like these expectations are so unfair to parents.
I wonder whether, on average, this will translate, post-crisis, to better support for schools in appreciation of what they do; or to (essentially) punishing them for over-burdening parents in what is already a difficult time.
(Either way, I'm not suggesting the result would be planned, considered behavior - wonder more what the subtle influence on attitudes will be, and how that may translate into voting decisions on future school funding, for example.)
Fortunately, it's not our teachers and our teachers are for the most part in disagreement with the district administration that is sending this down the pipe. Some people will realize this, but others won't. I know there have already been complaints, but they are largely going to the wrong people...people need to complain to the district administration, not the teachers following their marching orders.
Teachers at least have some leeway in that both of my boy's teachers aren't actually grading, they are looking at participation more than anything and they understand that some of us won't be able to complete everything.5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »As of yesterday we're officially homeschooling with google classroom. It's pretty sucky. When the teachers were initially talking to us about this it sounded like it would be a couple of hours per day, but they've rolled out entire daily assignments as if they were back in the classroom. Very difficult to keep up as both my wife and are are working from home most of the time and we still have to work and meet our deadlines, etc. We're doing the best we can, but there's no way we can keep up with what is actually being sent out while working full time.
I feel like these expectations are so unfair to parents.
I wonder whether, on average, this will translate, post-crisis, to better support for schools in appreciation of what they do; or to (essentially) punishing them for over-burdening parents in what is already a difficult time.
(Either way, I'm not suggesting the result would be planned, considered behavior - wonder more what the subtle influence on attitudes will be, and how that may translate into voting decisions on future school funding, for example.)
Yes, I don't think teachers are necessarily getting a fair deal either. If the expectation is that kids don't lose *any* progress, then teachers are in a difficult situation where they're essentially having to create assignments assuming that parents will take on the full-time work of teaching. Nobody wins here.
Teachers are over-burdening parents (in many cases) because the expectations for what will be accomplished during this period are inherently unrealistic. The teachers aren't generating this, they're being treated unfairly too.
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Holy moly, the Gov of Michigan has gone too far.3
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cwolfman13 wrote: »An acquaintance of mine through other friends has just recovered. He was two weeks in hospital with 11 days in ICU in induced coma on a ventilator. Pretty healthy guy of 38 years old. He just got out on Saturday. Our mortality numbers have jumped 55% in the last two days. Currently 1,345 positive cases out of 31,970 tests. 31 deaths now with 87 in the hospital. 304 recovered as designated by DOH.
I'd be really curious to know how many of those hospitalized are in ICUs...the last time I looked, we had around 54 ICU beds available in the state, but that is always a rolling number and I can't find it anywhere now.
At that covidtracking site they have the information for the states who have been releasing it. Looks like NM is not.
As of yesterday, IL had 3680 in the hospital with coronavirus, with 1166 of those in the ICU. 821 of them were on ventilators. (For comparison, that's was with 22,025 positives and 794 deaths, yesterday's numbers; today there are 1222 more cases and 74 more deaths, but the hospital stuff hasn't been updated yet.)0 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »Holy moly, the Gov of Michigan has gone too far.
That was political.
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Observation: If all you read was what was published with the hashtag link, you did not get a balanced view.
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Sometimes I dont understand people..
Here in nova scotia all municipal parks, trails and beaches are closed and have been for 3 weeks now.
The city has made a pathway with orange flags Indicating where people can walk to travel passed but they're not allowed to stop or gather, it's just essential travel.
The other day a guy got ticketed for walking in the park that wasnt on the designated path. He claims he saw the path was closed off with caution tape and he ducked under it, claiming now he was confused about if he was okay to walk there.
Hes going to challenge the ticket.. but.. if the tape was there and you went under it... and you knew the park was closed, can you really claim you didnt understand? Especially when this is your usual route of travel for the last 6 years?4
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