Coronavirus prep
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Yep, the whole point of masks is to prevent you from infecting others, because like many viruses, you're contagious before you're symptomatic. Viruses are clever like that
@paperpudding I knew Redhead was in NSW! Only because this redhead insisted on taking a photo of the sign whilst driving past on a trip to Aus several years ago
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Yep, the whole point of masks is to prevent you from infecting others, because like many viruses, you're contagious before you're symptomatic. Viruses are clever like that
@paperpudding I knew Redhead was in NSW! Only because this redhead insisted on taking a photo of the sign whilst driving past on a trip to Aus several years ago
I use to go sunbathing there as a teenager and lived right next to Lake Macquarie before moving north. I miss my lake so much.3 -
It's a cool name, isnt it.
Would love my husband, who is a redhead, to have a photo with that sign.3 -
paperpudding wrote: »It's a cool name, isnt it.
Would love my husband, who is a redhead, to have a photo with that sign.
If you do go there paperpudding also go to Caves Beach. It's fantastic! You can go in the caves right on the beach when the tides are right. Not too far from Redhead.4 -
Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.2 -
moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
Far out. Too many dumb people in the world. Guess the virus might fix that so ..2 -
I only check in here occasionally but I do read the posts everyday. It's been a very interesting look into the world pandemic.
I'm having hip replacement surgery on Wednesday and boy has this been an experience. I basically knew about 8 months ago that this was where I was headed but tried to avoid it with PT in the Fall, a cortisone shot in December and finally on March 16 it was decided that I had no where to go but replacement or drug therapy. I waited 5 weeks to set up the surgery while waiting for my county to have the hospital capacity to take care of me and another 4 weeks waiting to satisfy all the pre-op requirements.
I'm a very healthy and strong 70 year old so that has really helped my chances of success I think.
I had my final pre-op appointment tonight at the hospital for the COVID test and a MRSA test. Funny story............when I talked to the nurse yesterday she said my COVID test would be a throat swab rather than a nasal swab but when they did the MRSA test it was a nasal swab anyway. Actually the throat swab was worse.....LOL
Anyway, I'm all set, can't take anything but tylenol between now and Wed, not even vitamins or supplements. If I had prescribed medicine I would be able to take some of those but luckily the only thing I take is one Tylenol PM at night.............LOL
I have the body wash and instructions to wash the sheets, my nightgown, clothes for morning of and whatever I'm bringing to the hospital. I spent some time talking to the nurse and asked her if she was afraid of catching COVID, she said she just doesn't spend time worrying about it and does what she can to protect herself, her patients and her family and lets the chips fall where they do. She told me the worst part is wearing the N95 mask for 12 hours but she also said she's not one of the ICU nurses who have it much worse.
I did find out that my husband will be allowed to stay with me now in the pre-op area while we wait for surgery. That was new as of today and we're both really happy about that. Hope they don't change their mind by Wednesday! Once I'm in the OR he will have to go home and wait for the phone call from the doc and I won't see him again until he picks me up from the hospital to take me home.
I've been to the hospital twice, my GP's office, my surgeons office and both Quest and the radiology building in the past 3 weeks. Seeing lots of masks, hand sanitizers, and social distancing. Hubby and I are basically shopping once a week (him not me) and luckily we have a big back yard with a pool so I can get outside, swim and walk a little as much as my hip allows.
I really doubt we'll be comfortable going out in public anytime soon.
To all my American friends, have a safe and healthy holiday weekend and please wear your masks to protect others!
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fitlulu4150 wrote: »I only check in here occasionally but I do read the posts everyday. It's been a very interesting look into the world pandemic.
I'm having hip replacement surgery on Wednesday and boy has this been an experience. I basically knew about 8 months ago that this was where I was headed but tried to avoid it with PT in the Fall, a cortisone shot in December and finally on March 16 it was decided that I had no where to go but replacement or drug therapy. I waited 5 weeks to set up the surgery while waiting for my county to have the hospital capacity to take care of me and another 4 weeks waiting to satisfy all the pre-op requirements.
I'm a very healthy and strong 70 year old so that has really helped my chances of success I think.
I had my final pre-op appointment tonight at the hospital for the COVID test and a MRSA test. Funny story............when I talked to the nurse yesterday she said my COVID test would be a throat swab rather than a nasal swab but when they did the MRSA test it was a nasal swab anyway. Actually the throat swab was worse.....LOL
Anyway, I'm all set, can't take anything but tylenol between now and Wed, not even vitamins or supplements. If I had prescribed medicine I would be able to take some of those but luckily the only thing I take is one Tylenol PM at night.............LOL
I have the body wash and instructions to wash the sheets, my nightgown, clothes for morning of and whatever I'm bringing to the hospital. I spent some time talking to the nurse and asked her if she was afraid of catching COVID, she said she just doesn't spend time worrying about it and does what she can to protect herself, her patients and her family and lets the chips fall where they do. She told me the worst part is wearing the N95 mask for 12 hours but she also said she's not one of the ICU nurses who have it much worse.
I did find out that my husband will be allowed to stay with me now in the pre-op area while we wait for surgery. That was new as of today and we're both really happy about that. Hope they don't change their mind by Wednesday! Once I'm in the OR he will have to go home and wait for the phone call from the doc and I won't see him again until he picks me up from the hospital to take me home.
I've been to the hospital twice, my GP's office, my surgeons office and both Quest and the radiology building in the past 3 weeks. Seeing lots of masks, hand sanitizers, and social distancing. Hubby and I are basically shopping once a week (him not me) and luckily we have a big back yard with a pool so I can get outside, swim and walk a little as much as my hip allows.
I really doubt we'll be comfortable going out in public anytime soon.
To all my American friends, have a safe and healthy holiday weekend and please wear your masks to protect others!
Thinking of you fitlulu. I'm positive you'll be all good. Hugs.8 -
paperpudding wrote: »It's a cool name, isnt it.
Would love my husband, who is a redhead, to have a photo with that sign.
If you do go there paperpudding also go to Caves Beach. It's fantastic! You can go in the caves right on the beach when the tides are right. Not too far from Redhead.
Thank you.
Will keep that in mind for future travelling.
As you know, SA borders are currently closed - I don't think NSW ones are, so I could go there. But would have to self isolate for 14 days on my return home - so not at the moment
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paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »It's a cool name, isnt it.
Would love my husband, who is a redhead, to have a photo with that sign.
If you do go there paperpudding also go to Caves Beach. It's fantastic! You can go in the caves right on the beach when the tides are right. Not too far from Redhead.
Thank you.
Will keep that in mind for future travelling.
As you know, SA borders are currently closed - I don't think NSW ones are, so I could go there. But would have to self isolate for 14 days on my return home - so not at the moment
All our family is in NSW. We planned a one month trip down the coast. Not going to happen for now. It's sad.1 -
moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
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fitlulu4150 wrote: »I only check in here occasionally but I do read the posts everyday. It's been a very interesting look into the world pandemic.
I'm having hip replacement surgery on Wednesday and boy has this been an experience. I basically knew about 8 months ago that this was where I was headed but tried to avoid it with PT in the Fall, a cortisone shot in December and finally on March 16 it was decided that I had no where to go but replacement or drug therapy. I waited 5 weeks to set up the surgery while waiting for my county to have the hospital capacity to take care of me and another 4 weeks waiting to satisfy all the pre-op requirements.
I'm a very healthy and strong 70 year old so that has really helped my chances of success I think.
I had my final pre-op appointment tonight at the hospital for the COVID test and a MRSA test. Funny story............when I talked to the nurse yesterday she said my COVID test would be a throat swab rather than a nasal swab but when they did the MRSA test it was a nasal swab anyway. Actually the throat swab was worse.....LOL
Anyway, I'm all set, can't take anything but tylenol between now and Wed, not even vitamins or supplements. If I had prescribed medicine I would be able to take some of those but luckily the only thing I take is one Tylenol PM at night.............LOL
I have the body wash and instructions to wash the sheets, my nightgown, clothes for morning of and whatever I'm bringing to the hospital. I spent some time talking to the nurse and asked her if she was afraid of catching COVID, she said she just doesn't spend time worrying about it and does what she can to protect herself, her patients and her family and lets the chips fall where they do. She told me the worst part is wearing the N95 mask for 12 hours but she also said she's not one of the ICU nurses who have it much worse.
I did find out that my husband will be allowed to stay with me now in the pre-op area while we wait for surgery. That was new as of today and we're both really happy about that. Hope they don't change their mind by Wednesday! Once I'm in the OR he will have to go home and wait for the phone call from the doc and I won't see him again until he picks me up from the hospital to take me home.
I've been to the hospital twice, my GP's office, my surgeons office and both Quest and the radiology building in the past 3 weeks. Seeing lots of masks, hand sanitizers, and social distancing. Hubby and I are basically shopping once a week (him not me) and luckily we have a big back yard with a pool so I can get outside, swim and walk a little as much as my hip allows.
I really doubt we'll be comfortable going out in public anytime soon.
To all my American friends, have a safe and healthy holiday weekend and please wear your masks to protect others!
Best of success. I had both of mind replaced 1 Aug 1991 during the HIV tainted blood supply panic which really concerned me. Even after the pain meds wore off my hip pain was much less after the surgery than before. Thankfully today hip replacement operations are much more simple than 30 years ago.7 -
@mockchoc, thanks for the well wishes. I'm not worried really just glad to finally be able to move forward and hoping to be back to hiking sometime this summer. All of this happening during a pandemic has certainly been interesting though. 7
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@GaleHawkins, thanks and wow that must have been pretty frightening during that crisis. Most people I've talked to that have had it done recently have had great success so I'm expecting the same.2
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GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
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The quote you bolded was not included in the original article I read (source unknown, I was looking over hubby’s shoulder on his phone) and the one they gave (or at least what always printed) in that first article was far different. There was no mention of masks being an option if you wanted one, and the quote in that article reiterated that it was as a demonstration of American freedom. Not sure if the first article was in it for the rise, if the second was a bit of a backpedal, or if the truth of the intention is somewhere in the middle. But either way, the heated discussions and even killings over mask/no mask is disappointing and sad. Everyone is entitled to their thoughts and opinions (and the wishy-washy recommendations made it confusing, for sure!) but it’s not worth taking some one else’s life.GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
My mental health is definitely wavering. I was OK until about 2 weeks ago and I felt the dreaded darkness of depression looming. I enjoy being alone, but the loneliness can be suffocating. It’s a really weird place to be in. I homeschool our 4 children (ages 7-13) and have since th e beginning, so our new normal isn’t nearly as drastic of a change as many others, but between my older two being raging bags of hormones (yay puberty x2), my husband being swamped with work (supplies Proctor and Gamble and now several other companies with needed items for the pandemic), church (assistant pastor, pastor’s wife diagnosed with cancer at the start of all this mess so he has stepped up even more), 5 online classes... the feelings are hard to describe. It’s just a season, but it’s turned into a longer one than anticipated due to our lack of being able to do and go like we normally would in Spring.
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moonangel12-you have my prayers- a lot of things can affect our mental health- this crisis has been tough- will keep you in prayer- good luck-4 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
So, simplifying:
Store owner reads government order that basically says "People need to wear masks in stores to reduce chance of transmitting or contracting virus", believes it means "government wants to control me, which is wrong".
Store owner posts sign saying "Don't wear a mask (properly) in this store; we won't serve you if you wear one", is surprised and in denial when potential patrons believe the sign means exactly what it says, and get mad at him and unload on him in social media.
Ironic story is ironic.
P.S. None of the quotes are direct quotes. They're simplified paraphrases. Read the linked article about it.17 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
So, simplifying:
Store owner reads government order that basically says "People need to wear masks in stores to reduce chance of transmitting or contracting virus", believes it means "government wants to control me, which is wrong".
Store owner posts sign saying "Don't wear a mask (properly) in this store; we won't serve you if you wear one", is surprised and in denial when potential patrons believe the sign means exactly what it says, and get mad at him and unload on him in social media.
Ironic story is ironic.
P.S. None of the quotes are direct quotes. They're simplified paraphrases. Read the linked article about it.
First comment below the article also interesting: "Bull crap, I questioned their sign and not once did any kind of conversation saying otherwise, claimed it was a joke, back peddle much. Oh now they are the victim, please you got called out on your bull"10 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
Actually in the early days of the pandemic - before homemade and cloth masks really existed - the CDC was saying masks did nothing and were potentially even harmful for us normal folk (who presumably put on a mask by rubbing the inside on the nearest flat surface then licking it). This was a misguided effort to get people to stop buying and hoarding masks so medical personnel would have enough. But their lack of truthfulness was transparent - even a child is smart enough to know that if a mask helps to protect a nurse, it will also help to protect you - and backfired severely in the long run, now that a substantial number of people don’t trust anything said by the CDC.15 -
rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
Actually in the early days of the pandemic - before homemade and cloth masks really existed - the CDC was saying masks did nothing and were potentially even harmful for us normal folk (who presumably put on a mask by rubbing the inside on the nearest flat surface then licking it). This was a misguided effort to get people to stop buying and hoarding masks so medical personnel would have enough. But their lack of truthfulness was transparent - even a child is smart enough to know that if a mask helps to protect a nurse, it will also help to protect you - and backfired severely in the long run, now that a substantial number of people don’t trust anything said by the CDC.
Ah, I see... was not aware of that at all. I do know that I saw a lot of signs early on saying "Please don't wear masks. Save this precious limited resource for medical staff and use a bandana or cloth face covering instead." - Or something along those lines. But I don't recall ever seeing anything that indicated it would be hazardous to wear a mask.4 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
I'll just chime in as the resident of a northern climate to confirm that engine block heaters are still very much a necessity here and are standard equipment on every vehicle sold locally. I have to plug my vehicle in any winter night the temp dips below -18 C if I want to be sure it will start in the morning. It's also less wear and tear on your engine to have it start and run with lubricating fluids that are slightly thinner than molasses.6 -
rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
Actually in the early days of the pandemic - before homemade and cloth masks really existed - the CDC was saying masks did nothing and were potentially even harmful for us normal folk (who presumably put on a mask by rubbing the inside on the nearest flat surface then licking it). This was a misguided effort to get people to stop buying and hoarding masks so medical personnel would have enough. But their lack of truthfulness was transparent - even a child is smart enough to know that if a mask helps to protect a nurse, it will also help to protect you - and backfired severely in the long run, now that a substantial number of people don’t trust anything said by the CDC.
I agree with this. It happened in Italy too. To avoid panic because there were not enough masks for the entire population. I consider it a big mistake. Italy is used to its government and authorities lying to them, so anyone with a brain started wearing one. I quickly made my own. Now, it's required to wear one to enter stores and ride public transit. No one is rebelling or complaining here. We've opened up, but there are areas where young people congregate and that's a problem. Mayors are breaking up groups in these piazzas and mandating early closures.
Walking around downtown Rome last evening I saw 95% with masks. Businesses trying to reopen and lots of sales. The streets were crowded but everyone was moving and wearing masks. The subway was empty--I've never seen it like that on a Saturday. Churches have reopened with many precautions and designated seating 5 ft apart--even if you're married. The priest gave out communion in a mask with gloves and put it in your palm. There was a huge sanitizer dispenser in the entry.
Here's a photo of one of the streets.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
Actually in the early days of the pandemic - before homemade and cloth masks really existed - the CDC was saying masks did nothing and were potentially even harmful for us normal folk (who presumably put on a mask by rubbing the inside on the nearest flat surface then licking it). This was a misguided effort to get people to stop buying and hoarding masks so medical personnel would have enough. But their lack of truthfulness was transparent - even a child is smart enough to know that if a mask helps to protect a nurse, it will also help to protect you - and backfired severely in the long run, now that a substantial number of people don’t trust anything said by the CDC.
Ah, I see... was not aware of that at all. I do know that I saw a lot of signs early on saying "Please don't wear masks. Save this precious limited resource for medical staff and use a bandana or cloth face covering instead." - Or something along those lines. But I don't recall ever seeing anything that indicated it would be hazardous to wear a mask.
The early arguments made against masks were that they might encourage people to take more risks and ignore social distancing due to a false sense of being protected, that untrained people couldn’t get a proper fit, and that most people fiddled with them and thus touched their faces even more than they otherwise would.
I think the shift in tone coincided with increasing levels of research indicating the virus was more usually transmitted through droplets than by touching surfaces, and over a longer distance than previously believed.11 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
I'll just chime in as the resident of a northern climate to confirm that engine block heaters are still very much a necessity here and are standard equipment on every vehicle sold locally. I have to plug my vehicle in any winter night the temp dips below -18 C if I want to be sure it will start in the morning. It's also less wear and tear on your engine to have it start and run with lubricating fluids that are slightly thinner than molasses.
We’ve never, yet,had an electric vehicle. Married 45 years in September and have had a lot of vehicles in those years. Live in Minnesota where winters are cold. Temperatures can be below freezing (F 32 degrees) oftentimes for months, with days well below zero Fahrenheit. Vehicles are always outside. Always start. Sometimes a little reluctantly when miserably cold, but always start. At temperatures well below zero Fahrenheit, we have a few times plugged them in, especially when the batteries may be older, and we absolutely have to be somewhere the next morning.
The only problem we’ve had is with the tractor which runs on diesel and the gas tends to thicken up in very cold weather.2 -
missysippy930 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
I'll just chime in as the resident of a northern climate to confirm that engine block heaters are still very much a necessity here and are standard equipment on every vehicle sold locally. I have to plug my vehicle in any winter night the temp dips below -18 C if I want to be sure it will start in the morning. It's also less wear and tear on your engine to have it start and run with lubricating fluids that are slightly thinner than molasses.
We’ve never, yet,had an electric vehicle. Married 45 years in September and have had a lot of vehicles in those years. Live in Minnesota where winters are cold. Temperatures can be below freezing (F 32 degrees) oftentimes for months, with days well below zero Fahrenheit. Vehicles are always outside. Always start. Sometimes a little reluctantly when miserably cold, but always start. At temperatures well below zero Fahrenheit, we have a few times plugged them in, especially when the batteries may be older, and we absolutely have to be somewhere the next morning.
The only problem we’ve had is with the tractor which runs on diesel and the gas tends to thicken up in very cold weather.
My mother was a nurse in Minnesota for many years. She worked the night shift and drove from the farm to the hospital in town. They always had a station for nurses to plug in their cars, otherwise in the winter they might not have gotten home in the morning.2 -
Don't really have any comments on this, except I found it both interesting and depressing:
https://www.businessinsider.com/nearly-half-of-reopen-america-twitter-accounts-are-bots-report-2020-511 -
I saw a discussion on another forum about differences between Canada and Australia. Someone in Canada said (paraphrasing): In early March, Canada and Australia had quite similar numbers for about a week. Canada has done a good job, but Australia has virtually eradicated the new coronavirus, with almost nothing for the past month. Why the difference, especially since the countries have quite similar population densities?
Things brought up as possible differences: (1) Australia is surrounded by water and was able to have a quite strict border closure/quarantine policy, whereas Canada has a long border with the US. (2) Possible (but speculative) positive effect (for once) if higher UV exposure. (3) Highly speculative theory (supported by a Chinese study and some of the results in the US too) that the virus mutated to be more virulent in Europe, and so spread from Europe (biggest source in the eastern and midwestern US and likely Canada) vs. China (likely to be a main source in Australia) could be more of an issue. (4) Australia started early on doing a huge amount of testing despite the low numbers of cases.
I suspect Australia had enough of a delay given geography and density in community spread getting started that it was able to react smartly (as NZ did too) with border control + quarantine and testing plus quarantine so as to prevent community spread getting a toehold. (Along with the various social distancing and stay at home approaches, even though people didn't always follow them in Australia, as in various other countries.)
Of course, Canada still looks really good compared to the US.12 -
missysippy930 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
I'll just chime in as the resident of a northern climate to confirm that engine block heaters are still very much a necessity here and are standard equipment on every vehicle sold locally. I have to plug my vehicle in any winter night the temp dips below -18 C if I want to be sure it will start in the morning. It's also less wear and tear on your engine to have it start and run with lubricating fluids that are slightly thinner than molasses.
We’ve never, yet,had an electric vehicle. Married 45 years in September and have had a lot of vehicles in those years. Live in Minnesota where winters are cold. Temperatures can be below freezing (F 32 degrees) oftentimes for months, with days well below zero Fahrenheit. Vehicles are always outside. Always start. Sometimes a little reluctantly when miserably cold, but always start. At temperatures well below zero Fahrenheit, we have a few times plugged them in, especially when the batteries may be older, and we absolutely have to be somewhere the next morning.
The only problem we’ve had is with the tractor which runs on diesel and the gas tends to thicken up in very cold weather.
It's not an electric vehicle, it's a normal gasoline vehicle. And I'm quite a bit north of you 0 F is when I start plugging in the block heater. 0 -
missysippy930 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
I'll just chime in as the resident of a northern climate to confirm that engine block heaters are still very much a necessity here and are standard equipment on every vehicle sold locally. I have to plug my vehicle in any winter night the temp dips below -18 C if I want to be sure it will start in the morning. It's also less wear and tear on your engine to have it start and run with lubricating fluids that are slightly thinner than molasses.
We’ve never, yet,had an electric vehicle. Married 45 years in September and have had a lot of vehicles in those years. Live in Minnesota where winters are cold. Temperatures can be below freezing (F 32 degrees) oftentimes for months, with days well below zero Fahrenheit. Vehicles are always outside. Always start. Sometimes a little reluctantly when miserably cold, but always start. At temperatures well below zero Fahrenheit, we have a few times plugged them in, especially when the batteries may be older, and we absolutely have to be somewhere the next morning.
The only problem we’ve had is with the tractor which runs on diesel and the gas tends to thicken up in very cold weather.
It's not an electric vehicle, it's a normal gasoline vehicle. And I'm quite a bit north of you 0 F is when I start plugging in the block heater.
I don't think anyone is saying these are electric vehicles. After electric vehicles had been brought up as something that is unusual these days, I mentioned that electric vehicles are probably more common these days than engine block heaters. Specifically, my point is that this is a variation from the past when engine block heaters were more common than electric vehicles.
This was the original comment:GaleHawkins wrote: »One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
This was my reply:T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
FTR, someone driving an electric vehicle for long distances will likely need to stop somewhere and re-charge. Surfaces on charging stations could just as easily have droplets on them as surfaces on gas pumps. The idea doesn't change between these vs. touching credit card machines at stores vs. touching any other surfaces that others have touched - it's important in all of those circumstances to wash your hands after touching such surfaces and before touching food or your face, etc. I'm not sure it's as important when plugging in / unplugging an engine block heater at home when you are the only person who uses it. Still important to wash hands frequently, but the risk is when you touch surfaces that other people have touched - that is one of the ways people share this virus.
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