Coronavirus prep
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Gale's comment seems to be written in code to me.
I have an '08 Prius, which I was told to drive more frequently before this all started (I drove it about once or twice a week before, more like once a month since). It's fine although I drove it a couple times this and last week (after not driving since Easter).
I grew up for some years in Anchorage, AK, and plugging in your car was not a big thing (snow tires were), although it was commonly below -4 F (which is the same as -18 C). It was a thing in Fairbanks, where much colder temps were common. -4 F happens in Chicago and I am not aware of people plugging in here. But it's unusual and short term. Jan '19 was the polar vortex which was -23 F in Chicago (that's -30 C) (and of course that does not include wind chill), but I did not drive that day. Ubers and Lyfts were, though, as I tried to go to the airport (the flights all got cancelled due to weather),0 -
I saw a discussion on another forum about differences between Canada and Australia. Someone in Canada said (paraphrasing): In early March, Canada and Australia had quite similar numbers for about a week. Canada has done a good job, but Australia has virtually eradicated the new coronavirus, with almost nothing for the past month. Why the difference, especially since the countries have quite similar population densities?
Things brought up as possible differences: (1) Australia is surrounded by water and was able to have a quite strict border closure/quarantine policy, whereas Canada has a long border with the US. (2) Possible (but speculative) positive effect (for once) if higher UV exposure. (3) Highly speculative theory (supported by a Chinese study and some of the results in the US too) that the virus mutated to be more virulent in Europe, and so spread from Europe (biggest source in the eastern and midwestern US and likely Canada) vs. China (likely to be a main source in Australia) could be more of an issue. (4) Australia started early on doing a huge amount of testing despite the low numbers of cases.
I suspect Australia had enough of a delay given geography and density in community spread getting started that it was able to react smartly (as NZ did too) with border control + quarantine and testing plus quarantine so as to prevent community spread getting a toehold. (Along with the various social distancing and stay at home approaches, even though people didn't always follow them in Australia, as in various other countries.)
Of course, Canada still looks really good compared to the US.
as someone living in Australia - that is really interesting, thank you.
For benifit of other readers, (and sorry if stating the obvious) Australia is divided into states and terrritories.
Some are doing better than others (although all doing much better than US)
Victoria and NSW have been the hardest hit and still have active cases and a slow rate of new cases per day
SA and NT are coronavirus free - no active cases, one new (imported) case in last month.
The whole of Australia has closed international borders and anyone coming in - Australians returning - must be in supervised quarantine for 2 weeks.
Our state border is also closed. Anyone coming in - South Australians returning from interstate or people coming for exceptional compassionate reasons - must be in self quarantine for 14 days - and checks will be done to ensure you are complying.
Restrictions are being lifted gradually - and states are at different places with this.
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Gale's comment seems to be written in code to me.
I have an '08 Prius, which I was told to drive more frequently before this all started (I drove it about once or twice a week before, more like once a month since). It's fine although I drove it a couple times this and last week (after not driving since Easter).
I grew up for some years in Anchorage, AK, and plugging in your car was not a big thing (snow tires were), although it was commonly below -4 F (which is the same as -18 C). It was a thing in Fairbanks, where much colder temps were common. -4 F happens in Chicago and I am not aware of people plugging in here. But it's unusual and short term. Jan '19 was the polar vortex which was -23 F in Chicago (that's -30 C) (and of course that does not include wind chill), but I did not drive that day. Ubers and Lyfts were, though, as I tried to go to the airport (the flights all got cancelled due to weather),
I was in Minneapolis a couple years ago during a polar vortex and my car ('16 Prius) started fine in... I don't recall exactly... maybe between -30F and -40F. Having said that, my mpg was just the worst (in the teens during that time) because the gas engine had to run constantly. Normally, the idea of hybrids is for the gas engine to shut off and use the hybrid battery when possible. But the gas engine was needed to keep everything warm enough, I suppose. If I had a diesel, I'm sure I would have had problems. I'm not an expert, but have heard that a lot of trucks still use something to keep their fuel tanks warm enough so the diesel doesn't gel in the winter when sitting.2 -
OK, so here's a completely off-topic personal whine, but with a COVID-relevant twist.
Some (bleep) took out my mailbox overnight, flattened the heavy galvanized-pipe post into the ground so hard that I couldn't pull it out by hand, ripped up the wet ditch, lost a side mirror and some red/black vehicular scraps along the way, and bottomed out to damage the end of a culvert that goes under my driveway on the way out. 🙄
So, I called in a police report. Here's the COVID-relevant part, loosely related to police procedures in the time of COVID, at least in my (quiet, suburban) area:
The dispatcher apologized for having to ask, but did ask several questions about whether I had symptoms, anyone else in the household was sick, etc. (No, plus I said I'd wear face covering when the officer arrived, which I did.) Officer did not wear a mask. (IMO, she didn't need to waste one, given my answers, the fact that we were outdoors, and I had one on. We were mostly >6' apart; the closest we got was when she handed me a business card at arm's length. (I had on work gloves, because I was cleaning up glass & debris.))19 -
OK, so here's a completely off-topic personal whine, but with a COVID-relevant twist.
Some (bleep) took out my mailbox overnight, flattened the heavy galvanized-pipe post into the ground so hard that I couldn't pull it out by hand, ripped up the wet ditch, lost a side mirror and some red/black vehicular scraps along the way, and bottomed out to damage the end of a culvert that goes under my driveway on the way out. 🙄
So, I called in a police report. Here's the COVID-relevant part, loosely related to police procedures in the time of COVID, at least in my (quiet, suburban) area:
The dispatcher apologized for having to ask, but did ask several questions about whether I had symptoms, anyone else in the household was sick, etc. (No, plus I said I'd wear face covering when the officer arrived, which I did.) Officer did not wear a mask. (IMO, she didn't need to waste one, given my answers, the fact that we were outdoors, and I had one on. We were mostly >6' apart; the closest we got was when she handed me a business card at arm's length. (I had on work gloves, because I was cleaning up glass & debris.))
I have been interested to see a lot of businesses asking those kinds of questions as part of their now-standard procedure - I've been questioned before someone came to do fibre installation, while ordering items for collection, when booking a haircut, and when booking for flu vaccinations & doctor appointments. And we are hearing a big emphasis on staying home if you are at all sick in any way.
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how annoying about the mailbox!! Hopefully with the debris left behind the culprit can be found. 4 -
Youth sports opening up this week (soccer already scheduled, Baseball probably next week). Smaller groups, no touching, no sharing of equipment...so just skills practice, really. Have to wear masks to practice and when leaving, but not while playing. Not sure how or if that’ll work for my younger ones (not sure how 4 yo Tball team will social distance!).
Also not sure how this will work for us in general...parents are supposed to stay in the car for an hour and a half. With all the other kids...in 90 degree weather, too far to make driving home worth it...yeah. Same with their band and choir—outdoor rehearsals, possible outdoor concert in next phase of opening, parents need to stay away.5 -
Most older (pre 2015) Prius traction batteries are used the NiMH (Nickel Metal Hydride Battery) technology but I do not know the protocol voltage % they need to be stored at. Some high end Prius starting in 2015 got lithium ion batteries and long term storage for lithium Ion is at around 40% to 50% state of charge. The regular 12 volt batteries on EV's need to be recharged from time to time just like any ICE vehicle not being used. Taking a car out for an hour drive once a month would be helpful in most cases.
We charge the Nissan Leaf at home and currently it is charging because I will go pick up the wife in 45 minutes. It is full electric with no gas engine so other than for the tractors we are not pumping fuel much these days. Tonight I was out trying to recover the battery on the wife's car because they fail if they set around discharged in times like these. The shut down of the country is driving the sales of new starting batteries for sure.
Most EV's are sold in China today but are becoming more common. After getting away from gas engines for daily driving the smell from tail pipes and gas pumps gets to me and I do not have COPD.
Areas with higher levels of air pollution reported had higher COVID-19 death rates so I think outside of the USA EV's are going to become quite common over the next 5-10 years. It seems the air we breath and the foods we eat are getting more attention due to the number of COVID-19 deaths in some regions. The USA just relaxed future emission standards for vehicles due to cost of reducing vehicle pollution.2 -
Never mind. Not worth it.11
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On another note, back here in Italy...we are opening up. I went to our fitness center yesterday and today. There are many rules for going. You must enter wearing a mask and follow the footprints on the floor. Ist stop is the sanitizing gel station. Then the machine that reads your temp using your inside wrist. Then there is a desk with all the reservations (all lessons and activities must be preregistered online) and one must fill out a form stating that one has not had contact with anyone with COVID, or had any of the symptoms and sign and date it. Then, if doing a lesson--I did Yogaflex yesterday, you follow the footprints to the room, outside change of street shoes to socks. Street shoes must go in a bag. You must bring your own towel and mat and place the mat on large green dots glued to the floor, so that everyone is spaced apart. Masks are taken off only for the activity and then replaced. hand sanitizer is everywhere and the rooms are sanitized after every use. Then follow the footprints out. At the desk you logout.
Today I used the gym. They had moved the weights outside under a colonade (this fitness center is run by a catholic school, so they're taking some space since school is closed). In the gym itself the treadmills and other machines were all spaced apart and some were posted to not be used. This is to keep everyone apart. All machines must be sanitized after use. No masks while working out, but as soon as you leave the room, it goes on. I used the changing room and I was the only one there at 8:30 in the morning. I showered and dried my hair, but can see that this will be a problem with more people. The pool is still closed for at least another week. This is a learning experience, but they are doing everything they can to keep people safe. Everyone is complying.13 -
snowflake954 wrote: »On another note, back here in Italy...we are opening up. I went to our fitness center yesterday and today. There are many rules for going. You must enter wearing a mask and follow the footprints on the floor. Ist stop is the sanitizing gel station. Then the machine that reads your temp using your inside wrist. Then there is a desk with all the reservations (all lessons and activities must be preregistered online) and one must fill out a form stating that one has not had contact with anyone with COVID, or had any of the symptoms and sign and date it. Then, if doing a lesson--I did Yogaflex yesterday, you follow the footprints to the room, outside change of street shoes to socks. Street shoes must go in a bag. You must bring your own towel and mat and place the mat on large green dots glued to the floor, so that everyone is spaced apart. Masks are taken off only for the activity and then replaced. hand sanitizer is everywhere and the rooms are sanitized after every use. Then follow the footprints out. At the desk you logout.
Today I used the gym. They had moved the weights outside under a colonade (this fitness center is run by a catholic school, so they're taking some space since school is closed). In the gym itself the treadmills and other machines were all spaced apart and some were posted to not be used. This is to keep everyone apart. All machines must be sanitized after use. No masks while working out, but as soon as you leave the room, it goes on. I used the changing room and I was the only one there at 8:30 in the morning. I showered and dried my hair, but can see that this will be a problem with more people. The pool is still closed for at least another week. This is a learning experience, but they are doing everything they can to keep people safe. Everyone is complying.
I'm really glad to hear about all of Italy's safeguards and that everyone seems to be taking this so seriously. I wish we would do more of that or at least heed our gov.'s rules.
But I do have to say with all the pre-measures to an exercise lesson, I think I'd rather search on youtube and do it at home. Just reading it all made me tired out and ready for a nap. 
Good luck to you Snowflake, stay safe!! And thank you for sharing!7 -
snowflake954 wrote: »On another note, back here in Italy...we are opening up. I went to our fitness center yesterday and today. There are many rules for going. You must enter wearing a mask and follow the footprints on the floor. Ist stop is the sanitizing gel station. Then the machine that reads your temp using your inside wrist. Then there is a desk with all the reservations (all lessons and activities must be preregistered online) and one must fill out a form stating that one has not had contact with anyone with COVID, or had any of the symptoms and sign and date it. Then, if doing a lesson--I did Yogaflex yesterday, you follow the footprints to the room, outside change of street shoes to socks. Street shoes must go in a bag. You must bring your own towel and mat and place the mat on large green dots glued to the floor, so that everyone is spaced apart. Masks are taken off only for the activity and then replaced. hand sanitizer is everywhere and the rooms are sanitized after every use. Then follow the footprints out. At the desk you logout.
Today I used the gym. They had moved the weights outside under a colonade (this fitness center is run by a catholic school, so they're taking some space since school is closed). In the gym itself the treadmills and other machines were all spaced apart and some were posted to not be used. This is to keep everyone apart. All machines must be sanitized after use. No masks while working out, but as soon as you leave the room, it goes on. I used the changing room and I was the only one there at 8:30 in the morning. I showered and dried my hair, but can see that this will be a problem with more people. The pool is still closed for at least another week. This is a learning experience, but they are doing everything they can to keep people safe. Everyone is complying.
I'm really glad to hear about all of Italy's safeguards and that everyone seems to be taking this so seriously. I wish we would do more of that or at least heed our gov.'s rules. But I do have to say with all the pre-measures to an exercise lesson, I think I'd rather search on youtube and do it at home. Just reading it all made me tired out and ready for a nap.
Good luck to you Snowflake, stay safe!! And thank you for sharing!snowflake954 wrote: »On another note, back here in Italy...we are opening up. I went to our fitness center yesterday and today. There are many rules for going. You must enter wearing a mask and follow the footprints on the floor. Ist stop is the sanitizing gel station. Then the machine that reads your temp using your inside wrist. Then there is a desk with all the reservations (all lessons and activities must be preregistered online) and one must fill out a form stating that one has not had contact with anyone with COVID, or had any of the symptoms and sign and date it. Then, if doing a lesson--I did Yogaflex yesterday, you follow the footprints to the room, outside change of street shoes to socks. Street shoes must go in a bag. You must bring your own towel and mat and place the mat on large green dots glued to the floor, so that everyone is spaced apart. Masks are taken off only for the activity and then replaced. hand sanitizer is everywhere and the rooms are sanitized after every use. Then follow the footprints out. At the desk you logout.
Today I used the gym. They had moved the weights outside under a colonade (this fitness center is run by a catholic school, so they're taking some space since school is closed). In the gym itself the treadmills and other machines were all spaced apart and some were posted to not be used. This is to keep everyone apart. All machines must be sanitized after use. No masks while working out, but as soon as you leave the room, it goes on. I used the changing room and I was the only one there at 8:30 in the morning. I showered and dried my hair, but can see that this will be a problem with more people. The pool is still closed for at least another week. This is a learning experience, but they are doing everything they can to keep people safe. Everyone is complying.
I'm really glad to hear about all of Italy's safeguards and that everyone seems to be taking this so seriously. I wish we would do more of that or at least heed our gov.'s rules. But I do have to say with all the pre-measures to an exercise lesson, I think I'd rather search on youtube and do it at home. Just reading it all made me tired out and ready for a nap.
Good luck to you Snowflake, stay safe!! And thank you for sharing!
Unfortunately, not all areas are behaving well. From north to south Friday and Saturday nights the younger crowd hit the bars big time. The film clips on the News are chilling. No respect or regard for safety. The mayors of these towns are going to be closing bars early and patrolling. It's going to be hard to make it work. After 3 months of being locked up, the younger generation is exploding.
Also, I know it seems like a lot of rigamarole to go to the gym, but like grocery stores, it's a weak link. At least at first we need to be careful. I'm willing to do it, especially if I can swim again. Grocery stores now have everything down pat, and that will happen with gyms too. I'm optimistic.10 -
rheddmobile wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/24/second-amendment-supporters-protest-covid-19-restrictions-capitol/5250571002/?fbclid=IwAR00aLKiTj2ld5Vb_UWlzSjN1nFqlrqDj_P72Jb4QgtsRb54-XOpwErZW8A
While this is far from the MS River end of the state where I live it still shows the stress level over being told what to do by the governor is not going over well.
One issue is tracking software. Sure government monitoring of our movement like they can do in China is something new in the USA.
It seems many do not understand to keep one case from turning into 10 or 1000 cases we must track the path of infection and get COVID-19 positive cases out of the public ASAP.
The bars, restaurants, churches, ball parks, KY lakes, etc are on line again so we will see what how well the virus spreads after this holiday weekend in 90F degree heat and high humidity.
I feel like the rapid spread in Brazil is not a good sign for the heat and humidity stopping it.
And the only continent on earth that doesn’t have any cases, is Antarctica. So the weather theory isn’t much of a factor, at least so far. What seems to be helping to slow it down, is social distancing. Until a vaccine is ready, that’s probably our best bet for trying to contain it.10 -
missysippy930 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/24/second-amendment-supporters-protest-covid-19-restrictions-capitol/5250571002/?fbclid=IwAR00aLKiTj2ld5Vb_UWlzSjN1nFqlrqDj_P72Jb4QgtsRb54-XOpwErZW8A
While this is far from the MS River end of the state where I live it still shows the stress level over being told what to do by the governor is not going over well.
One issue is tracking software. Sure government monitoring of our movement like they can do in China is something new in the USA.
It seems many do not understand to keep one case from turning into 10 or 1000 cases we must track the path of infection and get COVID-19 positive cases out of the public ASAP.
The bars, restaurants, churches, ball parks, KY lakes, etc are on line again so we will see what how well the virus spreads after this holiday weekend in 90F degree heat and high humidity.
I feel like the rapid spread in Brazil is not a good sign for the heat and humidity stopping it.
And the only continent on earth that doesn’t have any cases, is Antarctica. So the weather theory isn’t much of a factor, at least so far. What seems to be helping to slow it down, is social distancing. Until a vaccine is ready, that’s probably our best bet for trying to contain it.
What scares me more is that this IS slowed right now. Perhaps that's what explains Georgia's reopening not spreading it more. And this is what the experts predicted all along. Bad in the Spring, slowing in the Summer and just awful in the Fall.7 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »
What scares me more is that this IS slowed right now. Perhaps that's what explains Georgia's reopening not spreading it more. And this is what the experts predicted all along. Bad in the Spring, slowing in the Summer and just awful in the Fall.
And by Fall, people will have forgotten the numbers, forgotten the loss, and forgotten why we all did what we did.
Indiana is moving into the next phase of reopening. On the 24th we moved into stage 3. No travel restrictions. Social gatherings of max 100 people allowed (with distancing guidelines). Retail stores and malls can move to 75% capacity (common areas are still 50% like food courts). Pools may open. Gyms may open. Campgrounds may open. Recreational sports may resume practices and conditioning but no contact sports to be played and only non-contact drills.
Also, I finally found a mask that doesn't cause me panic attacks!! I have been wearing a mask as best I can, but health issues and PTSD causes me to panic quite often in them. My friend found one that is super comfortable and lightweight. It works so much better!15 -
Maybe it true there is nothing new under the sun!
https://forbes.com/sites/kionasmith/2020/04/29/protesting-during-a-pandemic-isnt-new-meet-the-anti-mask-league/?fbclid=IwAR3uoi07aM1tK2frpNniJrFT2w-nG0yV5t2-CmxfGvzM8NQieWFLlQhijjE#31c19d2c12f92 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/24/second-amendment-supporters-protest-covid-19-restrictions-capitol/5250571002/?fbclid=IwAR00aLKiTj2ld5Vb_UWlzSjN1nFqlrqDj_P72Jb4QgtsRb54-XOpwErZW8A
While this is far from the MS River end of the state where I live it still shows the stress level over being told what to do by the governor is not going over well.
One issue is tracking software. Sure government monitoring of our movement like they can do in China is something new in the USA.
It seems many do not understand to keep one case from turning into 10 or 1000 cases we must track the path of infection and get COVID-19 positive cases out of the public ASAP.
The bars, restaurants, churches, ball parks, KY lakes, etc are on line again so we will see what how well the virus spreads after this holiday weekend in 90F degree heat and high humidity.
I feel like the rapid spread in Brazil is not a good sign for the heat and humidity stopping it.
And the only continent on earth that doesn’t have any cases, is Antarctica. So the weather theory isn’t much of a factor, at least so far. What seems to be helping to slow it down, is social distancing. Until a vaccine is ready, that’s probably our best bet for trying to contain it.
What scares me more is that this IS slowed right now. Perhaps that's what explains Georgia's reopening not spreading it more. And this is what the experts predicted all along. Bad in the Spring, slowing in the Summer and just awful in the Fall.
Yeah, I suspect this too.3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Maybe it true there is nothing new under the sun!
https://forbes.com/sites/kionasmith/2020/04/29/protesting-during-a-pandemic-isnt-new-meet-the-anti-mask-league/?fbclid=IwAR3uoi07aM1tK2frpNniJrFT2w-nG0yV5t2-CmxfGvzM8NQieWFLlQhijjE#31c19d2c12f9
Nice piece, and although I'm reasonably sure it was not your intended point (as I have a strong sense you are part of the anti mask contingent, please correct me if I'm wrong), here's a good takeaway quoted from the piece:
"While it’s true that cloth masks are far from a perfect shield against tiny virus particles, but the best available data suggests that they’re much better than nothing when it comes to keeping infected people exhaling virus-laden droplets of spit and mucus all over the people around them. And since it’s possible to spread COVID-19 long before you realize you’re infected, wearing a mask is usually the responsible thing to do, just as it was in 1918."15 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Maybe it true there is nothing new under the sun!
https://forbes.com/sites/kionasmith/2020/04/29/protesting-during-a-pandemic-isnt-new-meet-the-anti-mask-league/?fbclid=IwAR3uoi07aM1tK2frpNniJrFT2w-nG0yV5t2-CmxfGvzM8NQieWFLlQhijjE#31c19d2c12f9
Nice piece, and although I'm reasonably sure it was not your intended point (as I have a strong sense you are part of the anti mask contingent, please correct me if I'm wrong), here's a good takeaway quoted from the piece:
"While it’s true that cloth masks are far from a perfect shield against tiny virus particles, but the best available data suggests that they’re much better than nothing when it comes to keeping infected people exhaling virus-laden droplets of spit and mucus all over the people around them. And since it’s possible to spread COVID-19 long before you realize you’re infected, wearing a mask is usually the responsible thing to do, just as it was in 1918."
Feel free to think what ever best meets your needs when it comes to me.
"Watch legendary Dr. Jane Goodall, DBE, Founder of the Jane Goodall Institute and UN Messenger of Peace, talk about why she thinks animals are not to blame for the current pandemic in this Coronavirus special series."
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hStJvTv_Sh0&feature=youtu.be
Dr. Goodall has a wisdom about life that is very rare.4 -
paperpudding wrote: »I saw a discussion on another forum about differences between Canada and Australia. Someone in Canada said (paraphrasing): In early March, Canada and Australia had quite similar numbers for about a week. Canada has done a good job, but Australia has virtually eradicated the new coronavirus, with almost nothing for the past month. Why the difference, especially since the countries have quite similar population densities?
Things brought up as possible differences: (1) Australia is surrounded by water and was able to have a quite strict border closure/quarantine policy, whereas Canada has a long border with the US. (2) Possible (but speculative) positive effect (for once) if higher UV exposure. (3) Highly speculative theory (supported by a Chinese study and some of the results in the US too) that the virus mutated to be more virulent in Europe, and so spread from Europe (biggest source in the eastern and midwestern US and likely Canada) vs. China (likely to be a main source in Australia) could be more of an issue. (4) Australia started early on doing a huge amount of testing despite the low numbers of cases.
I suspect Australia had enough of a delay given geography and density in community spread getting started that it was able to react smartly (as NZ did too) with border control + quarantine and testing plus quarantine so as to prevent community spread getting a toehold. (Along with the various social distancing and stay at home approaches, even though people didn't always follow them in Australia, as in various other countries.)
Of course, Canada still looks really good compared to the US.
as someone living in Australia - that is really interesting, thank you.
For benifit of other readers, (and sorry if stating the obvious) Australia is divided into states and terrritories.
Some are doing better than others (although all doing much better than US)
Victoria and NSW have been the hardest hit and still have active cases and a slow rate of new cases per day
SA and NT are coronavirus free - no active cases, one new (imported) case in last month.
The whole of Australia has closed international borders and anyone coming in - Australians returning - must be in supervised quarantine for 2 weeks.
Our state border is also closed. Anyone coming in - South Australians returning from interstate or people coming for exceptional compassionate reasons - must be in self quarantine for 14 days - and checks will be done to ensure you are complying.
Restrictions are being lifted gradually - and states are at different places with this.
How interesting - somebody disagreed with my post above which is simply a factual account of Australian situation.
Or did they disagree I really live in South Australia or I really found post I was responding to interesting????
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Maybe it true there is nothing new under the sun!
https://forbes.com/sites/kionasmith/2020/04/29/protesting-during-a-pandemic-isnt-new-meet-the-anti-mask-league/?fbclid=IwAR3uoi07aM1tK2frpNniJrFT2w-nG0yV5t2-CmxfGvzM8NQieWFLlQhijjE#31c19d2c12f9
Nice piece, and although I'm reasonably sure it was not your intended point (as I have a strong sense you are part of the anti mask contingent, please correct me if I'm wrong), here's a good takeaway quoted from the piece:
"While it’s true that cloth masks are far from a perfect shield against tiny virus particles, but the best available data suggests that they’re much better than nothing when it comes to keeping infected people exhaling virus-laden droplets of spit and mucus all over the people around them. And since it’s possible to spread COVID-19 long before you realize you’re infected, wearing a mask is usually the responsible thing to do, just as it was in 1918."
Feel free to think what ever best meets your needs when it comes to me.
"Watch legendary Dr. Jane Goodall, DBE, Founder of the Jane Goodall Institute and UN Messenger of Peace, talk about why she thinks animals are not to blame for the current pandemic in this Coronavirus special series."
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hStJvTv_Sh0&feature=youtu.be
Dr. Goodall has a wisdom about life that is very rare.
I haven't seen a single person blame *animals* for this outbreak. What I have heard some people mention is that there are some forms of animal exploitation that put us at higher risk for outbreaks of these types of illness. But it is humans choosing to engage in these behaviors, you can't put that on the animals.16 -
janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Maybe it true there is nothing new under the sun!
https://forbes.com/sites/kionasmith/2020/04/29/protesting-during-a-pandemic-isnt-new-meet-the-anti-mask-league/?fbclid=IwAR3uoi07aM1tK2frpNniJrFT2w-nG0yV5t2-CmxfGvzM8NQieWFLlQhijjE#31c19d2c12f9
Nice piece, and although I'm reasonably sure it was not your intended point (as I have a strong sense you are part of the anti mask contingent, please correct me if I'm wrong), here's a good takeaway quoted from the piece:
"While it’s true that cloth masks are far from a perfect shield against tiny virus particles, but the best available data suggests that they’re much better than nothing when it comes to keeping infected people exhaling virus-laden droplets of spit and mucus all over the people around them. And since it’s possible to spread COVID-19 long before you realize you’re infected, wearing a mask is usually the responsible thing to do, just as it was in 1918."
Feel free to think what ever best meets your needs when it comes to me.
"Watch legendary Dr. Jane Goodall, DBE, Founder of the Jane Goodall Institute and UN Messenger of Peace, talk about why she thinks animals are not to blame for the current pandemic in this Coronavirus special series."
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hStJvTv_Sh0&feature=youtu.be
Dr. Goodall has a wisdom about life that is very rare.
I haven't seen a single person blame *animals* for this outbreak. What I have heard some people mention is that there are some forms of animal exploitation that put us at higher risk for outbreaks of these types of illness. But it is humans choosing to engage in these behaviors, you can't put that on the animals.
Exactly this.9 -
Its a question of WHY wild animals are exploited, Why they are killed alongside other foods which are easily contaminated by excrement.
We are fortunate enought for the most part to live in civilisations which recognise the need for and practice food hygene, yet the US and UK together with the European Union have fundimental differences in the required processes to achieve good food hygene standards. How much more difficult is it for us to achieve greater understanding with those who, regrettably have to live a hand to mouth existance.
eta, together with.5 -
Its a question of WHY wild animals are exploited, Why they are killed alongside other foods which are easily contaminated by excrement.
We are fortunate enought for the most part to live in civilisations which recognise the need for and practice food hygene, yet the US and UK together with the European Union have fundimental differences in the required processes to achieve good food hygene standards. How much more difficult is it for us to achieve greater understanding with those who, regrettably have to live a hand to mouth existance.
eta, together with.
I mean, we regularly have excrement-related disease outbreaks in the US where people die from eating lettuce or cantaloupe or green onions. Mere *recognition* of the need to practice food safety doesn't necessarily protect us.10 -
Zoonotic illnesses have been around forever, and will continue to be.
They travel through all animal species - there is no way to be 100% completely free of zoonotic inter-species transmission. It's a natural thing, even vegans are susceptible to feces contamination, insect transmission, airborne illnesses.
We are all connected.8 -
I intended, recognise and impliment, as one, its what we do here. I take it as one in the same, this why its unusual for us to have outbreaks of these "things" related to our food industry. When these "rogue outbreaks" do happen our local public health department swings into action, tracing contacts and defining the comon denominators etc.
Say a food outlet of some kind, is found wanting, it is closed and told to clean up their act where appropriate, worst offenders closed permanently, the worst offenders will be prosecuted. We do not have Environmental Health Officers for nothing ours have authority. Standards are set for water quality used when washing salad and the like, as well as being adhered to to ensure no contamination on prepaked foods. Manure is not permitted near growing plants after the seeds are planted. Even the animals in the food chain are clean before slaughter, the entrails are removed neatly, should anything become contaminated it is totally removed from the food chain. (That was true 60 years ago and moreso if possible now.)
I'm happy in my regime which is thankfully different to yours. We do not and never have taken food hygene lightly probably more harshly because we do not have "regular" outbreaks, so we are effective.1 -
cmriverside wrote: »Zoonotic illnesses have been around forever, and will continue to be.
They travel through all animal species - there is no way to be 100% completely free of zoonotic inter-species transmission. It's a natural thing, even vegans are susceptible to feces contamination, insect transmission, airborne illnesses.
We are all connected.
Great book about this called Spillover by David Quammen.
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Well sure. In the U.S. ( not sure where you are, Fuzzi ) we have the same regulations.
I've worked for many years in the food industry.
It's only as safe as its weakest link.
If you go out to the park or the beach, do you disinfect your shoes before you get in the car or before you walk in the house? How about washing your clothes every time you wear them? Without letting them touch anything else in your house? So that would mean disrobing immediately when you get in your house, showering and washing those clothes and disinfecting those shoes.
But then - you have the car to worry about? Are you giving it 10 days between using it? If not, how are you dealing with contaminants in the carpet and on the upholstery?
Now let's extrapolate that out to every human who touches every item that you might touch?
Like I said, I worked in the food industry for decades. I'm surprised more people don't die just from eating out. It's a super unsafe industry - even though you think it's safe. That 20 year old girl who works at Mickey Dees? You think she never touches the brim of your cup or scratches her nose then bags your order? Ha.
Same goes for grocery stores. Is every person disinfecting?12 -
cmriverside wrote: »Zoonotic illnesses have been around forever, and will continue to be.
They travel through all animal species - there is no way to be 100% completely free of zoonotic inter-species transmission. It's a natural thing, even vegans are susceptible to feces contamination, insect transmission, airborne illnesses.
We are all connected.
Great book about this called Spillover by David Quammen.
Thanks! I'd like to read it.
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cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Zoonotic illnesses have been around forever, and will continue to be.
They travel through all animal species - there is no way to be 100% completely free of zoonotic inter-species transmission. It's a natural thing, even vegans are susceptible to feces contamination, insect transmission, airborne illnesses.
We are all connected.
Great book about this called Spillover by David Quammen.
Thanks! I'd like to read it.
There's actually this really good documentary called Spillover. I use it in my microbiology class. It is a NOVA documentary; you can Google it.3 -
https://www.wyomingnews.com/coronavirus/cheyenne-frontier-days-canceled-for-first-time-in-its-history/article_33c7d969-4698-5396-a5a6-2143342307a7.html
CHEYENNE – The COVID-19 pandemic did what the Great Depression and World War II could not – cancel Cheyenne Frontier Days.
The organization announced Wednesday that the 124th “Daddy of ’em All” will not take place this July. The 10-day event, which bills itself as the “World’s Largest Outdoor Rodeo and Western Celebration,” was scheduled to start with slack events July 13.
It had been held every year since 1897.
'Not a mask in sight': thousands flock to Yellowstone as park reopens
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/19/yellowstone-coronavirus-reopening-grand-teton-covid-19
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