Coronavirus prep
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Prompted by hearing a retired nurse this afternoon talking about our UK experience particularly the use of ppe. She was saying even the correct wearing of masks should be explained to a person at the point of sale. It seems there is a correct way to do it, over the nose and mouth but not under the chin from what she was saying, also one should not touch the mask in use either. Then following the thought of full ppe for those in community care they need full training in the dressing, wearing and removing the articles. (BBC radio 4, 2-00pm UK time, Any Answers the companion programme to Any Questions broadcast Friday evening and again Saturday before AA )
Directions on proper use is definitely needed here, too. I stopped at my local Dollar General store yesterday because I needed eggs, and saw that the cashier was wearing gloves and a mask - except the mask only covered her mouth, and not her nose.Diatonic12 wrote: »
That's not good, though right now, the article states that cats apparently don't catch it easily and don't show symptoms. I'm not worried about catching it from my cats, but my oldest is almost 18 years old - I don't want to give it to him if I catch it!6 -
goldthistime wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Back on topic... The US federal government now recommends face coverings when going outside. Quite the change.
Worries me a little bit. I'm still seeing way too many people just going about things as if they are on summer vacation...especially things like going to Walmart or Target just to get out of the house and browse. I'm hoping that this mask thing doesn't give more people a sense that it is ok to just be out an about because they have a mask on. I've already had a few people from work comment to me that if we have masks, we should just go back to work.
I guess it's different elsewhere. Here, people are wearing masks and still observing social distance. Some folks have to learn things the hard way sadly.
ETA- They specifically say that the masks are not meant to be a replacement for social distancing. Just in addition to. If people ignore that, it has nothing to do with masks. 🤷🏼♀️
It's only been a thing here for a few weeks and there were a lot of people that thought the governors response was over the top when we only had 3 cases...I thought it was very good and proactive but we've quickly gotten close to 600 now. Still, we are a very rural state and there are just a whole lot of people who think this is "city folk problems".
I'm interested to see how things play out in the rest of the country. I wonder how many states are going to take what happened here in NYC and learn and how many are just going to write it off as a "NY or city problem".
I mean just recently, the governor of GA didn't know that the virus could be spread by asymptomatic people.
Sadly, until it hits them like a hammer, some people just won't take action. The US saw what happened in China and Italy, but it seemed far away. This thing moves fast and silently.
Here, there is now talk that masks will be required--no surprise for me. My husband went to the pharmacy to buy some this morning. You had to buy a box of 50 for $50, after waiting in line half an hour. He said "I'll think about it". We found a box of 50 online for $17. We ordered them. A customer cannot enter in a pharmacy. They take your order at the door, bring it to you, you pay, and they bring your receipt. All the lines to buy anything here are OK as long as the weather is nice, when it starts raining it's going to be miserable.
I had been thinking that requiring masks for everyone made sense (providing they're available of course), but now I'm wondering if that's actually feasible. I just tried wearing one here at home so I could come out of my room and quickly discovered that I couldn't breathe properly wearing one. I still have a bit of a headache from the attempt and my pulse oximeter confirmed, measuring my blood oxygen levels as 88 (which is low, it's normally 97). I would think that there are lots of people in Italy that would be in the same situation (ie had mild or absent symptoms but with some lung damage).
This is a quote from an ER MD in New Orleans "I have seen the bilateral interstitial pneumonia on the xray of the asymptomatic shoulder dislocation or on the CT's of the (respiratory) asymptomatic polytrauma patient. Essentially if they are in my ER, they have it." I would think Italian ER doctors would be seeing the same.
People who are symptomatic should be remaining completely isolated, and therefore not need masks. The idea behind others potentially wearing masks if they are asymptomatic but may have the virus, is to reduce the chance of them spreading it to others.
Stay in your room. Open a window if you want fresh air.
I'm talking about people who no longer have symptoms but still have reduced lung capacity. As to me personally, I find it offensive that you're giving me a directive. I've been overly cautious every step of the way.
Generic you. But go ahead and make assumptions. Perfectly happy giving directives to anyone contagious though, actually. It's the same directive being given by health officials.
Also, no such thing as overly cautious for someone who has, or thinks they have, this virus.18 -
goldthistime wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »One more slightly off topic comment about masks. I have seen a couple photos of rows of covid-19 patients lying in beds or on cots all masked up, and I see that people are advised to keep masks on anyone in their home with covid-19 if possible, all to protect their caregivers. It makes sense for the nurses and caregivers, but what about the patients? This headache I got from trying to wear a mask lingered, till I finally went outside just now and spent some time breathing in fresh air. I'm now viewing masks as heinous
. I wonder whether those photos were staged. Maybe there are situations I can't conceive of, but giving a patient a mask instead of oxygen seems like more harm than good. As to potential home caregivers, to me it makes far more sense to open a window and stay out of the room than to mask your loved one.
The purpose of having the infected person wear the mask is to reduce the droplets they spread when they cough.
Yes, that's obviously the purpose. But if the ONLY goal is to prevent patients from spreading the virus, why even admit them?
ETA: I went looking for the photos I had seen with masked patients lined up. I still think one of them was staged to show off a new facility. But I found another from Wuhan where they had gathered up everyone testing positive, many of whom were asymptomatic, and put them in a "coronavirus hotel". Then masks make sense. I also found pictures I expected to see (but hadn't) where beds were lined up with each patient receiving oxygen. Here, in Ontario, you typically aren't hospitalized unless you are short of breath.
If they are being admitted to a hospital, it is because they need care that is provided at a hospital. They aren't going to admit people just because. Why would they spend the money on the bed and nursing care for people who don't need them? That's wasting resources that frankly we just don't have the luxury of wasting right now.13 -
rheddmobile wrote: »
The pneumonia vaccine won’t directly protect against pneumonia caused by Covid-19. However, it can protect against pneumonia complicated by secondary infections, which as I understand it are a major contributor to death from Coronavirus.Diatonic12 wrote: »'Do vaccines against pneumonia protect you against the new coronavirus?'
No. Vaccines against pneumonia, such as pneumococcal vaccine and Haemophilus influenza type B (Hib) vaccine, do not provide protection against the new coronavirus.
The virus is so new and different that it needs its own vaccine. Researchers are trying to develop a vaccine against 2019-nCoV, and WHO is supporting their efforts.
Although these vaccines are not effective against 2019-nCoV, vaccination against respiratory illnesses is highly recommended to protect your health.
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-busters
Thanks for the previous replies.
This particular answer does seem like more doubletalk in some ways. Sigh.
Pneumonia is just a type of lung infection. It's a very broad term. There are many things that can cause lung infections (various types of bacteria, viruses and even fungi). According to one source I read, there are more than 80 bacterial causes of pneumonia, alone (not counting viruses, fungi).
The "pneumonia vaccine" protects against some of the common bacterial causes of pneumonia (not all, I gather it protects agains 20-some of the 80-some).
Coronavirus is a family of viruses, with different members of that virus family causing different diseases that have varied symptom sets. (Some versions of "the common cold" are caused by viruses in the coronavirus family, as I understand it.)
This novel coronavirus causes COVID-19, a new disease to humans. One of the the things that can happen as a result of this disease is lung infection, i.e., pneumonia.
So, it's good to get the pneumonia vaccine to protect against the 20-some bacterial forms of pneumonia. But it won't protect against pneumonia caused by coronavirus.
Does that help sort the double talk at all? :flowerforyou:
However, given the likelihood of encountering plague in a healthcare setting right now, I would think if you’re not already vaccinated your safest bet is staying at home as you are.
Here in South Australia, people are encouraged to get pneumovax if they are in a risk group (funded vaccine for all people over 65 and indiginous people over 50) and also to get influenza vaccine
We are approaching winter in southern hemisphere, and ,as in all years, flu vaccines are available from late March.
at the medical clinic where I work ,we started giving them from last Tues - (31st March)
Most patients are being 'seen' via phone consults - but we have nurse doing a drive through clinic for vaccines and other injections - mental health injections, B12, contraception etc.
Nurses wear full PPE and you do not get out of your car.
You just wind window down to expose your upper arm.
Your safest bet is still getting vaccinated.
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bmeadows380 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »
Hon, I can't trill my "rr's" after 36 years in Italy. They still understand me. I still have an "American" accent. Don't let that hold you back from learning a language. If people can understand you, you're doing great. It's difficult to speak like a native, unless you've learned the language as a child. One thing we've noticed here is that Slavic language speakers, such as Polish, Russian, etc, learn to speak Italian even as adults with no accent. My husband is constantly amazed.
I had Spanish in high school, but it was a video class and we never actually had conversation time or someone to listen to correct our pronunciations. Coming out of those classes, I could read Spanish fairly well, write in it ok, but still couldn't really speak it or follow a conversation in it. And now that its been over 20 years ago, I can't even do those things any more lol
What is it about the Russian language that allows them to learn other languages flawlessly? I know, that's just my perception, but it does seem to me that they can learn how to sound like a native in a lot of other languages. It's like Germans who can speak American English just like a native, though I can at least get how Germans learn to do that - both languages are from the same root language, at least - but Russian and the other Slavic languages split from the Romance languages a very, very long time ago and are radically different, so I'm amazed at their ability, too alongside your husband!
I think it's just really specific to the person. I know Russians and other Eastern Europeans who speak English with barely an accent and others who have a strong accent, and similarly Germans in both categories (think of someone like Henry Kissinger who came here at 15, but had something of an accent always). I'd hoped German would be easier for me accent-wise than French, but so far not.
I grew in a bilingual family, Italian/ English. Sadly, we were not encouraged to become fluent in Italian as the generation before ours had immigrated and experienced discrimination. So, they viewed speaking Italian as something that identified you as an immigrant. But you couldn't help but pick up some by being around the older family members who spoke it amongst themselves or to my grandparents.
When I first moved to Mexico, I was told several times that my Spanish sounded like it had an Italian accent and not an English one. I guess because I was used to the similar pronunciations, that is just how it came out.
Over time I have been able to learn to speak Spanish with less of any accent and haven't gotten the Italian accent comment in a long while. Back in February, I performed a Jazz concert with accompanying musicians and a couple of the pieces were Spanish language pieces, 2 boleros, Un Poco Mas by Alvaro Carillo and Dos Gardenias, of Buena Vista Social Club fame, by Isolina Carillo (Odd that they had the same last name as they were not related. One being Mexican and the other Cuban.)
One of my Mexican friends came up to me after the concert and said, "The Spanish pieces were fabulous! You sang them without almost any accent!"
I think if you are musical and auditory and used to listening for the nuances of sounds and accents, it helps you to learn a language with a minimum of an accent. It takes practice and time but, if it is important to you, it can be done. It's just not that important to some people. For example, my wife is not musical or very auditory. She is more knowledgeable and fluent in Spanish than I am, but speaks with far more of an American English accent.
All that to say, I agree that it is specific to the person.
Your comment made me remember going to Italy on my honeymoon (my 3rd time, husband’s first), and having everyone I spoke to in Italian assume I was from Spain and husband was my “American friend” (I was in a PhD program in Spanish lit at the time, had studied abroad in Argentina and Peru, and conducted both classes I taught each semester 100% in Spanish, and spoke/wrote papers in Spanish with mostly Castilian professors 95% of the time for my own 3 classes/semester). I knew enough Italian to sub for my Italian colleagues teaching introductory/early intermediate, but my Spanish had far eclipsed my college Italian in pronunciation.
Ah well. I now teach my children Latin (Ecclesiastical pronunciation) with the same hybrid Spanish/Italian accent.
But truly, if you can make others understand you in another language, you should not be embarrassed at all. I’ve had ridiculous compliments on my French in addition to my Spanish and Italian, which I know is horrible, but I’m trying and am at least somewhat intelligible. Remember all of the non native English speakers you understand, despite their heavy accents. You and those non native speakers are thrilled you can communicate, accent be d&-‘Ned.4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »I was thinking of holding out one more week, when I'll probably be getting low on dairy too, and then go to see what I can find. I'd been thinking about getting ham of some kind for my home-alone Easter, but from some of the posts on here, it sounds like I might be overly optimistic. Maybe I'll find some canned or frozen pineapple and I can open a can of Spam (spiced ham in a can) and see what I can make out of it.
It really depends where you live. Early on here we were low on paper products and pasta or other dried goods in some places, and dairy in others, but never in meat. And for us things are largely back to normal in the stores now (based on my one trip plus reports on NextDoor).
This is the downside of not going to the grocery store until I really have to -- I don't have a good idea of local grocery conditions (they only reported about that on the local news in the early days; now they have so much more to talk about with new cases, deaths, masks or no masks, ventilators, what's happening in hospitals, navy ships, etc.). However, I've always been very flexible about buying what's on sale or what looks good this week, so I expect I'll be reasonably flexible about buying what happens to be available.
I've not been shopping much either, and only at my local meat market and one delivery, but NextDoor reports conditions in various local stores.
Ah. I've never signed up when they've sent me the info in the mail, because I had heard that in many neighborhoods there's a lot of negativity on NextDoor, and that the way NextDoor works, whoever happens to sign up first to run the local neighborhood NextDoor community has total control? We had an IRL neighborhood community association like that about a decade back, and it pretty much soured me on organized groups at the community level, although I enjoyed a few clean-up-the-neighborhood and neighborhood-watch-patrol before it got ugly. I just talk to my neighbors (from a safe distance these days) and go to block parties and stuff like that. Maybe the next time I pass by somebody on a walk I'll yell to them and ask them if they've been shopping lately and what it was like.
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cmriverside wrote: »This is a great map of how much people are staying home, or not: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/02/us/coronavirus-social-distancing.html
I have a case in MS, and the map reflects what we are hearing so far from the court (like not shutting down hearings, requiring they be in person if on something significant). Luckily opposing counsel are also in areas that are shut down, so we are being a united front.
Ha. I'm in King County, where the first case was recorded. It says we have a 100% decrease. How is that even possible? I still see lots of cars out and about.
To be fair though - I'm leaving my phone at home when I go out...I just don't want or need to contaminate it.
I was just talking with my husband about the NYT article calling out our county in TN for having a “high” travel rate of 2.5 m. Everyone we know is staying home if not required to work, and traffic is much reduced.
Hubs is a physician working at 4 clinics and 6 hospitals. Closest clinic is 2.7 m away. His most frequent hospital is 7.6 m. Other hospitals he is at once or twice a week are 15-17 miles away. Our nearest grocery store is 3 miles from home. The very closest place to get groceries (Target) is 2.4 m. When you’re talking a suburban county (not to mention a semi rural one!), I think 2.5 m average travel distance is not bad—that’s a run to the grocery or a trip to your essential employer, easily.
I haven’t left the house to drive anywhere in the past 3 weeks (except 1 Target curbside, 2.4 m), but I take my phone on runs or walks of at least 3 miles, and I’ve never seen this many people walking/running/biking in our neighborhood, so I’m sure that’s adding to our movement rate as well.
Anyway, just noting that maybe you can move on average a few hundred feet in a big city (and still come in contact with a number of people on that block) vs in a spread-out suburb (I saw literally 1 guy with a dog, on the other side of a 4 lane road, last night on a 3 mile walk. Hubs contacts no one in his 15 m drive...but I’m sure the patients whose cancer he’s diagnosing once he gets to the hospital are are happy he made the drive). He’s answering the call he received today to care for the surge in Covid patients we expect in the next few weeks, and he and his colleagues from our suburban part of the county will be driving plenty to get to the temporary hospitals they’re setting up.10 -
rheddmobile wrote: »
Dang, in Italy you can just buy masks at a pharmacy? And where are you finding them online?snowflake954 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Back on topic... The US federal government now recommends face coverings when going outside. Quite the change.
Worries me a little bit. I'm still seeing way too many people just going about things as if they are on summer vacation...especially things like going to Walmart or Target just to get out of the house and browse. I'm hoping that this mask thing doesn't give more people a sense that it is ok to just be out an about because they have a mask on. I've already had a few people from work comment to me that if we have masks, we should just go back to work.
I guess it's different elsewhere. Here, people are wearing masks and still observing social distance. Some folks have to learn things the hard way sadly.
ETA- They specifically say that the masks are not meant to be a replacement for social distancing. Just in addition to. If people ignore that, it has nothing to do with masks. 🤷🏼♀️
It's only been a thing here for a few weeks and there were a lot of people that thought the governors response was over the top when we only had 3 cases...I thought it was very good and proactive but we've quickly gotten close to 600 now. Still, we are a very rural state and there are just a whole lot of people who think this is "city folk problems".
I'm interested to see how things play out in the rest of the country. I wonder how many states are going to take what happened here in NYC and learn and how many are just going to write it off as a "NY or city problem".
I mean just recently, the governor of GA didn't know that the virus could be spread by asymptomatic people.
Sadly, until it hits them like a hammer, some people just won't take action. The US saw what happened in China and Italy, but it seemed far away. This thing moves fast and silently.
Here, there is now talk that masks will be required--no surprise for me. My husband went to the pharmacy to buy some this morning. You had to buy a box of 50 for $50, after waiting in line half an hour. He said "I'll think about it". We found a box of 50 online for $17. We ordered them. A customer cannot enter in a pharmacy. They take your order at the door, bring it to you, you pay, and they bring your receipt. All the lines to buy anything here are OK as long as the weather is nice, when it starts raining it's going to be miserable.
I have ten masks which I bought in February because it was flu season and my doc made me go in for bloodwork. And they were impossible to find even then, because of the flu season - my pharmacist found some tucked behind some other stuff behind the counter. They are not available to buy locally now for any amount of money. Not that we are supposed to buy them even if they were. Only homemade masks, surgical and n95 reserved for health care professionals.
My son went on Amazon here in Italy yesterday. There was a large choice of masks. Ours are to arrive in 3 days.2 -
snowflake954 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »
Dang, in Italy you can just buy masks at a pharmacy? And where are you finding them online?snowflake954 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Back on topic... The US federal government now recommends face coverings when going outside. Quite the change.
Worries me a little bit. I'm still seeing way too many people just going about things as if they are on summer vacation...especially things like going to Walmart or Target just to get out of the house and browse. I'm hoping that this mask thing doesn't give more people a sense that it is ok to just be out an about because they have a mask on. I've already had a few people from work comment to me that if we have masks, we should just go back to work.
I guess it's different elsewhere. Here, people are wearing masks and still observing social distance. Some folks have to learn things the hard way sadly.
ETA- They specifically say that the masks are not meant to be a replacement for social distancing. Just in addition to. If people ignore that, it has nothing to do with masks. 🤷🏼♀️
It's only been a thing here for a few weeks and there were a lot of people that thought the governors response was over the top when we only had 3 cases...I thought it was very good and proactive but we've quickly gotten close to 600 now. Still, we are a very rural state and there are just a whole lot of people who think this is "city folk problems".
I'm interested to see how things play out in the rest of the country. I wonder how many states are going to take what happened here in NYC and learn and how many are just going to write it off as a "NY or city problem".
I mean just recently, the governor of GA didn't know that the virus could be spread by asymptomatic people.
Sadly, until it hits them like a hammer, some people just won't take action. The US saw what happened in China and Italy, but it seemed far away. This thing moves fast and silently.
Here, there is now talk that masks will be required--no surprise for me. My husband went to the pharmacy to buy some this morning. You had to buy a box of 50 for $50, after waiting in line half an hour. He said "I'll think about it". We found a box of 50 online for $17. We ordered them. A customer cannot enter in a pharmacy. They take your order at the door, bring it to you, you pay, and they bring your receipt. All the lines to buy anything here are OK as long as the weather is nice, when it starts raining it's going to be miserable.
I have ten masks which I bought in February because it was flu season and my doc made me go in for bloodwork. And they were impossible to find even then, because of the flu season - my pharmacist found some tucked behind some other stuff behind the counter. They are not available to buy locally now for any amount of money. Not that we are supposed to buy them even if they were. Only homemade masks, surgical and n95 reserved for health care professionals.
My son went on Amazon here in Italy yesterday. There was a large choice of masks. Ours are to arrive in 3 days.
The ones I looked at said they’re in stock but arrival April 24 to May 15. My husband is still working, essential employee. I’m going to try making some out of bandannas he’s never opened. 🤞🏻5 -
missysippy930 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »
Dang, in Italy you can just buy masks at a pharmacy? And where are you finding them online?snowflake954 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Back on topic... The US federal government now recommends face coverings when going outside. Quite the change.
Worries me a little bit. I'm still seeing way too many people just going about things as if they are on summer vacation...especially things like going to Walmart or Target just to get out of the house and browse. I'm hoping that this mask thing doesn't give more people a sense that it is ok to just be out an about because they have a mask on. I've already had a few people from work comment to me that if we have masks, we should just go back to work.
I guess it's different elsewhere. Here, people are wearing masks and still observing social distance. Some folks have to learn things the hard way sadly.
ETA- They specifically say that the masks are not meant to be a replacement for social distancing. Just in addition to. If people ignore that, it has nothing to do with masks. 🤷🏼♀️
It's only been a thing here for a few weeks and there were a lot of people that thought the governors response was over the top when we only had 3 cases...I thought it was very good and proactive but we've quickly gotten close to 600 now. Still, we are a very rural state and there are just a whole lot of people who think this is "city folk problems".
I'm interested to see how things play out in the rest of the country. I wonder how many states are going to take what happened here in NYC and learn and how many are just going to write it off as a "NY or city problem".
I mean just recently, the governor of GA didn't know that the virus could be spread by asymptomatic people.
Sadly, until it hits them like a hammer, some people just won't take action. The US saw what happened in China and Italy, but it seemed far away. This thing moves fast and silently.
Here, there is now talk that masks will be required--no surprise for me. My husband went to the pharmacy to buy some this morning. You had to buy a box of 50 for $50, after waiting in line half an hour. He said "I'll think about it". We found a box of 50 online for $17. We ordered them. A customer cannot enter in a pharmacy. They take your order at the door, bring it to you, you pay, and they bring your receipt. All the lines to buy anything here are OK as long as the weather is nice, when it starts raining it's going to be miserable.
I have ten masks which I bought in February because it was flu season and my doc made me go in for bloodwork. And they were impossible to find even then, because of the flu season - my pharmacist found some tucked behind some other stuff behind the counter. They are not available to buy locally now for any amount of money. Not that we are supposed to buy them even if they were. Only homemade masks, surgical and n95 reserved for health care professionals.
My son went on Amazon here in Italy yesterday. There was a large choice of masks. Ours are to arrive in 3 days.
The ones I looked at said they’re in stock but arrival April 24 to May 15. My husband is still working, essential employee. I’m going to try making some out of bandannas he’s never opened. 🤞🏻
I'd still order some anyway. You're going to need them if it becomes obligatory to wear them after lockdown. That's what they're saying here. Northern Italy will make masks obligatory in a couple of days, as soon as they can get enough in the pharmacies. After a downward trend new cases are up again today. Fewer patients in intensive care.4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »I was thinking of holding out one more week, when I'll probably be getting low on dairy too, and then go to see what I can find. I'd been thinking about getting ham of some kind for my home-alone Easter, but from some of the posts on here, it sounds like I might be overly optimistic. Maybe I'll find some canned or frozen pineapple and I can open a can of Spam (spiced ham in a can) and see what I can make out of it.
It really depends where you live. Early on here we were low on paper products and pasta or other dried goods in some places, and dairy in others, but never in meat. And for us things are largely back to normal in the stores now (based on my one trip plus reports on NextDoor).
This is the downside of not going to the grocery store until I really have to -- I don't have a good idea of local grocery conditions (they only reported about that on the local news in the early days; now they have so much more to talk about with new cases, deaths, masks or no masks, ventilators, what's happening in hospitals, navy ships, etc.). However, I've always been very flexible about buying what's on sale or what looks good this week, so I expect I'll be reasonably flexible about buying what happens to be available.
I've not been shopping much either, and only at my local meat market and one delivery, but NextDoor reports conditions in various local stores.
Ah. I've never signed up when they've sent me the info in the mail, because I had heard that in many neighborhoods there's a lot of negativity on NextDoor, and that the way NextDoor works, whoever happens to sign up first to run the local neighborhood NextDoor community has total control? We had an IRL neighborhood community association like that about a decade back, and it pretty much soured me on organized groups at the community level, although I enjoyed a few clean-up-the-neighborhood and neighborhood-watch-patrol before it got ugly. I just talk to my neighbors (from a safe distance these days) and go to block parties and stuff like that. Maybe the next time I pass by somebody on a walk I'll yell to them and ask them if they've been shopping lately and what it was like.
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Our Next Door is pretty good. Right now there are a lot of posts from people offering to help or run errands as well as a map of those who have turned their Free Little Library boxes into sharing boxes. Before all of this the only posts that I saw get poofed were ones complaining about things like people turning their Christmas lights on in mid November or other nonsensical things. The only arguments I have seen have been when the subject of pizza restaurants comes up.6 -
snowflake954 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »
Dang, in Italy you can just buy masks at a pharmacy? And where are you finding them online?snowflake954 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Back on topic... The US federal government now recommends face coverings when going outside. Quite the change.
Worries me a little bit. I'm still seeing way too many people just going about things as if they are on summer vacation...especially things like going to Walmart or Target just to get out of the house and browse. I'm hoping that this mask thing doesn't give more people a sense that it is ok to just be out an about because they have a mask on. I've already had a few people from work comment to me that if we have masks, we should just go back to work.
I guess it's different elsewhere. Here, people are wearing masks and still observing social distance. Some folks have to learn things the hard way sadly.
ETA- They specifically say that the masks are not meant to be a replacement for social distancing. Just in addition to. If people ignore that, it has nothing to do with masks. 🤷🏼♀️
It's only been a thing here for a few weeks and there were a lot of people that thought the governors response was over the top when we only had 3 cases...I thought it was very good and proactive but we've quickly gotten close to 600 now. Still, we are a very rural state and there are just a whole lot of people who think this is "city folk problems".
I'm interested to see how things play out in the rest of the country. I wonder how many states are going to take what happened here in NYC and learn and how many are just going to write it off as a "NY or city problem".
I mean just recently, the governor of GA didn't know that the virus could be spread by asymptomatic people.
Sadly, until it hits them like a hammer, some people just won't take action. The US saw what happened in China and Italy, but it seemed far away. This thing moves fast and silently.
Here, there is now talk that masks will be required--no surprise for me. My husband went to the pharmacy to buy some this morning. You had to buy a box of 50 for $50, after waiting in line half an hour. He said "I'll think about it". We found a box of 50 online for $17. We ordered them. A customer cannot enter in a pharmacy. They take your order at the door, bring it to you, you pay, and they bring your receipt. All the lines to buy anything here are OK as long as the weather is nice, when it starts raining it's going to be miserable.
I have ten masks which I bought in February because it was flu season and my doc made me go in for bloodwork. And they were impossible to find even then, because of the flu season - my pharmacist found some tucked behind some other stuff behind the counter. They are not available to buy locally now for any amount of money. Not that we are supposed to buy them even if they were. Only homemade masks, surgical and n95 reserved for health care professionals.
My son went on Amazon here in Italy yesterday. There was a large choice of masks. Ours are to arrive in 3 days.
The ones I looked at said they’re in stock but arrival April 24 to May 15. My husband is still working, essential employee. I’m going to try making some out of bandannas he’s never opened. 🤞🏻
I'd still order some anyway. You're going to need them if it becomes obligatory to wear them after lockdown. That's what they're saying here. Northern Italy will make masks obligatory in a couple of days, as soon as they can get enough in the pharmacies. After a downward trend new cases are up again today. Fewer patients in intensive care.
I did order them, hoping they’d be shipped sooner. I’m just going to the grocery store, but husband’s going to work so he needs them more. They are highly recommending them now in the US. They have plexiglass shields up in the grocery store now, protecting cashiers and customers a bit more. I told the cashier, on Thursday, they should be suppling their workers with face masks. I think all businesses that require essential employees should provide protective gear. There’s just not enough to go around and people in contact with the actual cases should be, and are, priority. Not even enough for them. Very sad. A lot of deaths yesterday, especially in NYC.3 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »I was thinking of holding out one more week, when I'll probably be getting low on dairy too, and then go to see what I can find. I'd been thinking about getting ham of some kind for my home-alone Easter, but from some of the posts on here, it sounds like I might be overly optimistic. Maybe I'll find some canned or frozen pineapple and I can open a can of Spam (spiced ham in a can) and see what I can make out of it.
It really depends where you live. Early on here we were low on paper products and pasta or other dried goods in some places, and dairy in others, but never in meat. And for us things are largely back to normal in the stores now (based on my one trip plus reports on NextDoor).
This is the downside of not going to the grocery store until I really have to -- I don't have a good idea of local grocery conditions (they only reported about that on the local news in the early days; now they have so much more to talk about with new cases, deaths, masks or no masks, ventilators, what's happening in hospitals, navy ships, etc.). However, I've always been very flexible about buying what's on sale or what looks good this week, so I expect I'll be reasonably flexible about buying what happens to be available.
I've not been shopping much either, and only at my local meat market and one delivery, but NextDoor reports conditions in various local stores.
Ah. I've never signed up when they've sent me the info in the mail, because I had heard that in many neighborhoods there's a lot of negativity on NextDoor, and that the way NextDoor works, whoever happens to sign up first to run the local neighborhood NextDoor community has total control? We had an IRL neighborhood community association like that about a decade back, and it pretty much soured me on organized groups at the community level, although I enjoyed a few clean-up-the-neighborhood and neighborhood-watch-patrol before it got ugly. I just talk to my neighbors (from a safe distance these days) and go to block parties and stuff like that. Maybe the next time I pass by somebody on a walk I'll yell to them and ask them if they've been shopping lately and what it was like.
Edited to fix typo and add clarifying info
There's more good than bad there in terms of information, at least in my neighborhood and surrounding, based on my experience, but there's a lot of ridiculous judgy-ness and squabbling too (mostly pet-related in normal times, but lately about some things like how to properly socially distance when outside).
I'm not aware of whoever signing up first having total control -- ND has staff that get to make final decisions and who are the only ones who can ban posters. Neighborhood leads do have the ability to vote to close discussions (I only know this because I just looked it up), but there are various ways to become one if you want to be (I do not), and I haven't found the moderating to seem unfair.
Anyway, I'm not recommending it because I'm sure it varies neighborhood to neighborhood and I hate read it a lot of times just to be annoyed at how ridiculous people can be, but it can be very useful, can be positive, and during coronavirus I've found it helpful (it also facilitates neighbors offering help to other neighbors).
Of course, we also have an active community association (as well as block parties), and I like it more than NextDoor (have't noticed the pettier stuff there), and I volunteer with my alderman's office at times, so I'm pretty into my community-level stuff.
Talking to people from across the street if you see them when you are out (I had a brief conversation from that distance with my nextdoor neighbor who was walking her dog and say hi to my neighbors on the other side when they are out in the yard and I'm gardening or taking out the trash) works too, of course! ;-)5 -
NYS:
74% Hospitalized have been discharged.
122,031 Confirmed Cases
4,159 Deaths
NYC:
67,551 Confirmed Cases
There is finally a decline on deaths in the state. Hopefully good news.
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My husband helped me make over 100 reusable masks this weekend for his people at work... they bought a case of them right at the beginning of all of this, but there aren’t many left. Putting in a disclaimer sheet that it’s not PPE, but if worn with a filter in the middle it would provide more protection than nothing.missysippy930 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »
Dang, in Italy you can just buy masks at a pharmacy? And where are you finding them online?snowflake954 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Back on topic... The US federal government now recommends face coverings when going outside. Quite the change.
Worries me a little bit. I'm still seeing way too many people just going about things as if they are on summer vacation...especially things like going to Walmart or Target just to get out of the house and browse. I'm hoping that this mask thing doesn't give more people a sense that it is ok to just be out an about because they have a mask on. I've already had a few people from work comment to me that if we have masks, we should just go back to work.
I guess it's different elsewhere. Here, people are wearing masks and still observing social distance. Some folks have to learn things the hard way sadly.
ETA- They specifically say that the masks are not meant to be a replacement for social distancing. Just in addition to. If people ignore that, it has nothing to do with masks. 🤷🏼♀️
It's only been a thing here for a few weeks and there were a lot of people that thought the governors response was over the top when we only had 3 cases...I thought it was very good and proactive but we've quickly gotten close to 600 now. Still, we are a very rural state and there are just a whole lot of people who think this is "city folk problems".
I'm interested to see how things play out in the rest of the country. I wonder how many states are going to take what happened here in NYC and learn and how many are just going to write it off as a "NY or city problem".
I mean just recently, the governor of GA didn't know that the virus could be spread by asymptomatic people.
Sadly, until it hits them like a hammer, some people just won't take action. The US saw what happened in China and Italy, but it seemed far away. This thing moves fast and silently.
Here, there is now talk that masks will be required--no surprise for me. My husband went to the pharmacy to buy some this morning. You had to buy a box of 50 for $50, after waiting in line half an hour. He said "I'll think about it". We found a box of 50 online for $17. We ordered them. A customer cannot enter in a pharmacy. They take your order at the door, bring it to you, you pay, and they bring your receipt. All the lines to buy anything here are OK as long as the weather is nice, when it starts raining it's going to be miserable.
I have ten masks which I bought in February because it was flu season and my doc made me go in for bloodwork. And they were impossible to find even then, because of the flu season - my pharmacist found some tucked behind some other stuff behind the counter. They are not available to buy locally now for any amount of money. Not that we are supposed to buy them even if they were. Only homemade masks, surgical and n95 reserved for health care professionals.
My son went on Amazon here in Italy yesterday. There was a large choice of masks. Ours are to arrive in 3 days.
The ones I looked at said they’re in stock but arrival April 24 to May 15. My husband is still working, essential employee. I’m going to try making some out of bandannas he’s never opened. 🤞🏻
I'd still order some anyway. You're going to need them if it becomes obligatory to wear them after lockdown. That's what they're saying here. Northern Italy will make masks obligatory in a couple of days, as soon as they can get enough in the pharmacies. After a downward trend new cases are up again today. Fewer patients in intensive care.
I did order them, hoping they’d be shipped sooner. I’m just going to the grocery store, but husband’s going to work so he needs them more. They are highly recommending them now in the US. They have plexiglass shields up in the grocery store now, protecting cashiers and customers a bit more. I told the cashier, on Thursday, they should be suppling their workers with face masks. I think all businesses that require essential employees should provide protective gear. There’s just not enough to go around and people in contact with the actual cases should be, and are, priority. Not even enough for them. Very sad. A lot of deaths yesterday, especially in NYC.
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Various links to tutorials on ways to make face masks here: https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-make-coronavirus-face-mask-wear-donate-covid-19-20200404-rtmmpjd3enaqnbtw4myhtph5zu-story.html2
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missysippy930 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »
Dang, in Italy you can just buy masks at a pharmacy? And where are you finding them online?snowflake954 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Back on topic... The US federal government now recommends face coverings when going outside. Quite the change.
Worries me a little bit. I'm still seeing way too many people just going about things as if they are on summer vacation...especially things like going to Walmart or Target just to get out of the house and browse. I'm hoping that this mask thing doesn't give more people a sense that it is ok to just be out an about because they have a mask on. I've already had a few people from work comment to me that if we have masks, we should just go back to work.
I guess it's different elsewhere. Here, people are wearing masks and still observing social distance. Some folks have to learn things the hard way sadly.
ETA- They specifically say that the masks are not meant to be a replacement for social distancing. Just in addition to. If people ignore that, it has nothing to do with masks. 🤷🏼♀️
It's only been a thing here for a few weeks and there were a lot of people that thought the governors response was over the top when we only had 3 cases...I thought it was very good and proactive but we've quickly gotten close to 600 now. Still, we are a very rural state and there are just a whole lot of people who think this is "city folk problems".
I'm interested to see how things play out in the rest of the country. I wonder how many states are going to take what happened here in NYC and learn and how many are just going to write it off as a "NY or city problem".
I mean just recently, the governor of GA didn't know that the virus could be spread by asymptomatic people.
Sadly, until it hits them like a hammer, some people just won't take action. The US saw what happened in China and Italy, but it seemed far away. This thing moves fast and silently.
Here, there is now talk that masks will be required--no surprise for me. My husband went to the pharmacy to buy some this morning. You had to buy a box of 50 for $50, after waiting in line half an hour. He said "I'll think about it". We found a box of 50 online for $17. We ordered them. A customer cannot enter in a pharmacy. They take your order at the door, bring it to you, you pay, and they bring your receipt. All the lines to buy anything here are OK as long as the weather is nice, when it starts raining it's going to be miserable.
I have ten masks which I bought in February because it was flu season and my doc made me go in for bloodwork. And they were impossible to find even then, because of the flu season - my pharmacist found some tucked behind some other stuff behind the counter. They are not available to buy locally now for any amount of money. Not that we are supposed to buy them even if they were. Only homemade masks, surgical and n95 reserved for health care professionals.
My son went on Amazon here in Italy yesterday. There was a large choice of masks. Ours are to arrive in 3 days.
The ones I looked at said they’re in stock but arrival April 24 to May 15. My husband is still working, essential employee. I’m going to try making some out of bandannas he’s never opened. 🤞🏻
I'd still order some anyway. You're going to need them if it becomes obligatory to wear them after lockdown. That's what they're saying here. Northern Italy will make masks obligatory in a couple of days, as soon as they can get enough in the pharmacies. After a downward trend new cases are up again today. Fewer patients in intensive care.
I did order them, hoping they’d be shipped sooner. I’m just going to the grocery store, but husband’s going to work so he needs them more. They are highly recommending them now in the US. They have plexiglass shields up in the grocery store now, protecting cashiers and customers a bit more. I told the cashier, on Thursday, they should be suppling their workers with face masks. I think all businesses that require essential employees should provide protective gear. There’s just not enough to go around and people in contact with the actual cases should be, and are, priority. Not even enough for them. Very sad. A lot of deaths yesterday, especially in NYC.
All cashiers in our grocery stores have had to wear them for 3 weeks now because they are high risk. Last week all customers were required to wear masks also. Masks will become the new TP hoarding when people have to wear them. Our experts are saying that social distancing is not enough in many situations--grocery stores are an example. You need social distancing plus masks. If you want to see something interesting check out the experiments the Japanese are doing on how far the virus can travel, not just when coughing or sneezing, just just conversing with someone with a desk or table between. It's eyeopening and explains why so many people are infected so fast.4 -
I'm done. People are jerks and need to grow up. We should be coming together as a society, not judging other people or treating them badly. No one knows the situation of another. They don't know a person's home life, their health problems, or what help they have in their lives.
My cousin had to go to the store the other day. There were things she NEEDED, not just wanted. She had been doing everything in her power to not have to go out and hadn't for quite awhile. Thing is, she also had to take her 1 year old. There was no other choice that day. What she had to deal with, not just the judgemental looks people gave her, but also the things said to her... it's just not right.
1. In parking lot, while putting baby into wrap- a lady walked over to her and told her anyone stupid enough to bring a baby to a store right now needs to have dcs take their kids.
2. Inside store, at the end of an aisle waiting for a lady to exit aisle...she knocks her cart into her's on her way out and told her she was an f*ing moron for not leaving that baby at home
4. A lady saw me from the end of the aisle and yelled down that she was being reckless for her daughter's health and deserved to get sick and die from this, but that she would be the one getting sick from her child instead.
What sort of people think they have the RIGHT to act like this? To say these things to anyone?
I have lost faith.
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I'm done. People are jerks and need to grow up. We should be coming together as a society, not judging other people or treating them badly. No one knows the situation of another. They don't know a person's home life, their health problems, or what help they have in their lives.
My cousin had to go to the store the other day. There were things she NEEDED, not just wanted. She had been doing everything in her power to not have to go out and hadn't for quite awhile. Thing is, she also had to take her 1 year old. There was no other choice that day. What she had to deal with, not just the judgemental looks people gave her, but also the things said to her... it's just not right.
1. In parking lot, while putting baby into wrap- a lady walked over to her and told her anyone stupid enough to bring a baby to a store right now needs to have dcs take their kids.
2. Inside store, at the end of an aisle waiting for a lady to exit aisle...she knocks her cart into her's on her way out and told her she was an f*ing moron for not leaving that baby at home
4. A lady saw me from the end of the aisle and yelled down that she was being reckless for her daughter's health and deserved to get sick and die from this, but that she would be the one getting sick from her child instead.
What sort of people think they have the RIGHT to act like this? To say these things to anyone?
I have lost faith.
What your cousin had to put up with is not right. However, people are under stress right now and the worst (but sometimes best) comes out at times like these. I hope she can manage to let it go. Being a mother of a baby right now isn't easy.8
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