Coronavirus prep
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Buttermello wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Some interesting discussions about how SARS-COV-2 is not a respiratory disease as much as a blood vessel disease.
https://elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30937-5/fulltext
Very interesting. That might explain why (here in Italy) survivors of COVID19 are asked to donate their blood. Andrea Boccelli just donated, and it was all over the News. The plasma is used on those who are fighting the disease. They've had good luck with this approach.
100% of the patients I work with are COVID positive, and we have been giving the plasma to the patients who qualify for it, for around 3 weeks now - the results are astounding! I'm in Chicago, FWIW.
Can you elaborate? Is this the cure and hope people have been waiting for? TBH, haven't read a lot about Covid-19 lately, it gets overwhelming.1 -
Using the serum is not the "answer" full stop, its a step along the way. "Its not for everyone" because its risky in itself, particularly in the early days. Brave people, doctors and scientists working together, doing their best, as they always do. Brave nurses and ward staff doing what comes "naturally", deepest admiration.
I think plasma was first tried in Italy, then when good things were happening there it was tried elsewhere. Would this international medical community approach sharing what helps and in which patients, could be extended to a unified Global Political Response, then there would be something to bring us closer to the prevention we, "the world" desperately needs.
Every life matters, my heart brakes hearing the numbers who are lost rise daily, one person internationally is one too many.5 -
Buttermello wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Some interesting discussions about how SARS-COV-2 is not a respiratory disease as much as a blood vessel disease.
https://elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30937-5/fulltext
Very interesting. That might explain why (here in Italy) survivors of COVID19 are asked to donate their blood. Andrea Boccelli just donated, and it was all over the News. The plasma is used on those who are fighting the disease. They've had good luck with this approach.
100% of the patients I work with are COVID positive, and we have been giving the plasma to the patients who qualify for it, for around 3 weeks now - the results are astounding! I'm in Chicago, FWIW.
Can you elaborate? Is this the cure and hope people have been waiting for? TBH, haven't read a lot about Covid-19 lately, it gets overwhelming.
No it's not a "cure", but if you get the virus and start respiratory problems it can save your life. The cure will be a vaccine. Some will still get it, so having another possibility to save lives is a plus.5 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
I have a daughter with food allergies, so label reading is a way of life. Even previously “safe” items can change so I automatically check nearly everything that goes in my cart.... and some don’t make the cut so they have to go back on the shelf. Never have I been so self conscious shopping!Strudders67 wrote: »"Our local supermarkets are appealing to shoppers to examine items with their eyes instead of their hands before making a selection. This protects you from having to buy the items I already touched and left on the shelf."
Our's ask the same. Unfortunately, the key nutritional info for diabetics is on the back and if I need to compare items, to pick the one with the lowest carbs per 100g, I need to turn the packets round. If all supermarkets stocked the same cereal so that i could buy the same stuff each time, I'd be fine - but they don't.
Yes! I feel so guilty looking at items and then putting them back. But I have allergies and other restrictions so I have to look at them. I feel like everyone is watching and judging. Ugh. It's horrible. And you are also correct in that even if an item was safe before, it may not be now. So everything has to be checked!
I did that too last week. I'm Celiac and my wife is highly allergic to cow dairy, so I have to read every label very cautiously. I don't buy many packaged things for that reason, but I've had to pick things up and put them back as well. I just make sure that my hands are clean and sanitized before I go in and try to not do it very much, if at all.
It's a good thing you feel guilty. At least it shows you're trying to be very conscientious.
From what I'm reading, surfaces aren't nearly as bad of an issue as once thought. It's more air and ventilation systems carrying the virus inside.10 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Buttermello wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Some interesting discussions about how SARS-COV-2 is not a respiratory disease as much as a blood vessel disease.
https://elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30937-5/fulltext
Very interesting. That might explain why (here in Italy) survivors of COVID19 are asked to donate their blood. Andrea Boccelli just donated, and it was all over the News. The plasma is used on those who are fighting the disease. They've had good luck with this approach.
100% of the patients I work with are COVID positive, and we have been giving the plasma to the patients who qualify for it, for around 3 weeks now - the results are astounding! I'm in Chicago, FWIW.
Can you elaborate? Is this the cure and hope people have been waiting for? TBH, haven't read a lot about Covid-19 lately, it gets overwhelming.
No it's not a "cure", but if you get the virus and start respiratory problems it can save your life. The cure will be a vaccine. Some will still get it, so having another possibility to save lives is a plus.
A vaccine isn't a cure. A cure is something that brings you recovery after you have a disease. An effective vaccine prevents you from getting the disease in the first place. Therapies and a cure would still be desirable even if there were a vaccine, as vaccines are not typically 100% effective, plus some people cannot take a vaccine, either temporarily or ever, depending on their situation.7 -
Hearing UK news this morning, 7-00am. There is a pill going into a London hospital on trial it is hoped it will ease the respiritory issues connected to this virus. The expectation is, if it does do the business, going into production then it will be available internationally. Regretably, Success is not a given.4
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I'm sure there will be a place for both a vaccine and treatments/cures
Just like there are with other vaccine preventable diseases - we have influenza vaccine and we have tamiflu, for example.6 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »
I did that too last week. I'm Celiac and my wife is highly allergic to cow dairy, so I have to read every label very cautiously. I don't buy many packaged things for that reason, but I've had to pick things up and put them back as well. I just make sure that my hands are clean and sanitized before I go in and try to not do it very much, if at all.
It's a good thing you feel guilty. At least it shows you're trying to be very conscientious.
From what I'm reading, surfaces aren't nearly as bad of an issue as once thought. It's more air and ventilation systems carrying the virus inside.
I don't buy many packaged items in general, but I do like to keep some "emergency" meals on hand. So canned soup or frozen items for those nights/days when my body just says "no more". Happened last Thursday (I have a back injury and was not sleeping at all due to pain). No way was I going to be able to chop vegetables and make a meal. So it was soup for lunch and a frozen meal for dinner.3 -
Monday June 1 most things have opened in NM with restrictions. Notable exceptions are bars and breweries unless they are at least 50% food service. This has some peoples' knickers in a twist in not understanding the logic...it sucks, but it makes perfect sense to me. I'd love nothing more than to get on my bike and ride a couple of miles to Ex Novo for some good beer and patio...hopefully in a couple of weeks.
My gyms are open at 50% of capacity. I'll be going back to my one on one personal training gym once per week, but I'm holding off on my big box gym for the moment...I want to wait a month or two to see how things start shaking out.
Biggest issue for my wife and I is all summer camps have been canceled. The summer camp they usually go to was cancelled in early May...it was nice because you paid by the month for the whole summer and it was very affordable. We ended up signing them up for another camp for a week in June and a week in July to at least give them something and give us a break...it was pretty pricey for both kids, but we figured they needed something. It was cancelled right before memorial day weekend.
At least when school was in session for distance learning, there was some structure and they were occupied for at least 4 hours per day...we're struggling now with giving them structure while at the same time working from home and getting our stuff done. This is a very busy time of year for me as I have a June 30 year end and it's crunch time...so this kinda sucks. I'm also nervous for August and if they'll be going back to the classroom or not.13 -
My understanding of the CDC statement isn't that surfaces are less of an issue, it's that air transmission is much worse than they thought. In other words, continue to wash your hands but also add distance and masks.
Here, even though we're at the highest number of positive cases yet in the county, the hospital is letting visitors in again.6 -
our hospitals, nursing homes etc are NOT letting in visitors right now at all. I live in Ga. A sad case- my sister-in-law- lost her grandma in the nursing home yesterday- she feels she died on a broken heart- her grandma stopped eatting a while back, would not take meds, had forbidden the family to put in a feeding tube-(it seems that she THOUGHT they had "thrown her away"( her words) BECAUSE they stopped visiting her. They could not make her understand that due to COVID 19- they could not come to visit- only talk on phone or stand outside the window to wave- but everytime- she told them_"y'all done throwd me away"- this thing is SAD- on so many levels- Stay safe and continue to pray!!!!!!23
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our hospitals, nursing homes etc are NOT letting in visitors right now at all. I live in Ga. A sad case- my sister-in-law- lost her grandma in the nursing home yesterday- she feels she died on a broken heart- her grandma stopped eatting a while back, would not take meds, had forbidden the family to put in a feeding tube-(it seems that she THOUGHT they had "thrown her away"( her words) BECAUSE they stopped visiting her. They could not make her understand that due to COVID 19- they could not come to visit- only talk on phone or stand outside the window to wave- but everytime- she told them_"y'all done throwd me away"- this thing is SAD- on so many levels- Stay safe and continue to pray!!!!!!
This is a hard thing with no fast solution. Being a guardian of a 76 year old friend that has been in a nursing home since his mother died in 1992 this is a hard thing especially since he grew up without hearing or getting to go to school and does not have speech. The staff does come out and get the Ensure type drink that I have been taking him for years so he knows I am still alive and have not forgotten him. Over a month ago they had one patient test positive for COVID-19 but they caught it quickly and so far that was the only case. The story is one employee had a family member that tested positive so that was an early warning I guess. Another area home had 13 employees and 7 residents test positive on the first round of testing. A high school friend lost his mom in that case because the number of deaths were high.
Finally caught up on current news and it sounds like large crowds of unmasked stressed out people are becoming the norm again. KY is open again and the traffic is very heavy.
I just saw on FB my church is voting tonight to go back inside or to keep having in car parking lot services. Having family in health care I had stopped going before the Governor shut down the church and now the bad news for Type A blood people I will continue to stay out of crowds. The daughter did the WalMart run for me yesterday because she was going and I was getting low on Half and Half, bananas and apples and honey.13 -
@debtay123 that’s so sad.
@GaleHawkins thanks for your update.
In Oklahoma, just about the time employees in grocery stores, take out and drive-thrus all started actually wearing masks on their face and not around their neck, a whole lot of patrons forgot how to wear theirs.
I still wear mine just because it’s such an easy thing that could make such a big difference.
My gym is open and I went for the first time yesterday. The classroom is big. They have places marked 6 feet apart. There are maybe 30 spots plus room for the teacher. There were 8 in the class, so we were definitely distanced. There was not the usual camaraderie before and after class. We spoke, but we didn’t visit.
The pool at the gym opens Wednesday. I think the person limit set by the fire department in the whole room is 250. They are limiting classes to 9. I don’t know how they came up with that number. I wonder if it’s based partly on the shower area?
There have been protests here. Most of the protestors wore masks.7 -
Does anyone remember the name of the thread where people were posting about good things related to staying home during the pandemic? I saw something that made me smile today when I went to pick up food from a restaurant in a mall (we're still only doing carryout and delivery, but the restaurant has opened a door that previously was only a fire exit so customers have access even though the mall is closed, they propped the door open so you don't have to touch the handle, and they set up contactless pickup with packaged food orders on tables and an employee on a laptop screen).
Anyway, when I pulled into the parking lot, there were of course hardly any cars there, and a father and child (or adult male and child, anyway) were using all that empty, flat space to bike. The child looked to be five or six and was still using training wheels. I imagine the parking lot was safer than most residential streets around here for learning to ride.11 -
Where I work, they are staggering return dates. I go back to working on-site on Monday. Interestingly enough, they said that we are not required to wear uniforms "until further notice." This makes me think that the prevailing expectation is that many may no longer fit into their uniforms. I admit even I've gained a few pounds according to the scale, but I tried on my pants and they actually feel more loose than I remember.6
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Where I work, they are staggering return dates. I go back to working on-site on Monday. Interestingly enough, they said that we are not required to wear uniforms "until further notice." This makes me think that the prevailing expectation is that many may no longer fit into their uniforms. I admit even I've gained a few pounds according to the scale, but I tried on my pants and they actually feel more loose than I remember.
It would not be for that reason. I think it's because when you are outside your home you should wash the clothes you had on each time if the virus is possibly about there so you may not have enough uniforms.4 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Where I work, they are staggering return dates. I go back to working on-site on Monday. Interestingly enough, they said that we are not required to wear uniforms "until further notice." This makes me think that the prevailing expectation is that many may no longer fit into their uniforms. I admit even I've gained a few pounds according to the scale, but I tried on my pants and they actually feel more loose than I remember.
It would not be for that reason. I think it's because when you are outside your home you should wash the clothes you had on each time if the virus is possibly about there so you may not have enough uniforms.
We each have 7 sets. Most of us wash ours as frequently as we would wash any other clothes - I wear for the day and then put in the laundry to wear a new set the next day.3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Where I work, they are staggering return dates. I go back to working on-site on Monday. Interestingly enough, they said that we are not required to wear uniforms "until further notice." This makes me think that the prevailing expectation is that many may no longer fit into their uniforms. I admit even I've gained a few pounds according to the scale, but I tried on my pants and they actually feel more loose than I remember.
It would not be for that reason. I think it's because when you are outside your home you should wash the clothes you had on each time if the virus is possibly about there so you may not have enough uniforms.
We each have 7 sets. Most of us wash ours as frequently as we would wash any other clothes - I wear for the day and then put in the laundry to wear a new set the next day.
Ok well I just find it hard to believe any employer would assume anyone gained weight. Never mind. A lot of us sit on our butts at work all day anyhow so not different at home or the office.3 -
Our daily case rate in Memphis has jumped since the reopening so they are not moving to phase 3. Daily cases have greatly increased. Hospitalizations are also increasing, which is the one number they can’t ignore and say “oh we’re just testing more,” or artificially dilute by testing random people.
I’m deeply concerned about the protestors, most of whom are not wearing masks. The majority locally seem to be college age, but college kids have families to take it home to. Local health department says our numbers now are a jump in response to the Memorial Day and Mother’s Day weekends, which saw large numbers out and about - but nowhere near the number of close-packed, loudly shouting people we have protesting. If you are protesting please be safe, mask, wash when you get home, and get tested sometime soon in case you are asymptomatic. Remember that we are not reopening because the covid is gone, we are reopening because people wanted to reopen. By the numbers you are more likely to catch Covid now than at the start of lockdown.22 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Where I work, they are staggering return dates. I go back to working on-site on Monday. Interestingly enough, they said that we are not required to wear uniforms "until further notice." This makes me think that the prevailing expectation is that many may no longer fit into their uniforms. I admit even I've gained a few pounds according to the scale, but I tried on my pants and they actually feel more loose than I remember.
It would not be for that reason. I think it's because when you are outside your home you should wash the clothes you had on each time if the virus is possibly about there so you may not have enough uniforms.
We each have 7 sets. Most of us wash ours as frequently as we would wash any other clothes - I wear for the day and then put in the laundry to wear a new set the next day.
Ok well I just find it hard to believe any employer would assume anyone gained weight. Never mind. A lot of us sit on our butts at work all day anyhow so not different at home or the office.
The exercise isn't different for those of us in the office, but most work in factory. For them, the layoff was less activity. For them and us office workers, whether WFH or layoff, we are at home where snacks are more easily accessible and cheap (compared to vending prices). So it isn't about activity as much as food.1 -
I'm at the laundromat right now and am the only person with anything to cover my nose/mouth. That is normal, but what is abnormal is that a stranger gave me a hard time about it. I think most people around here think people shouldn't wear masks, but this guy actually said something. He said that I should just "trust in god" and went on about how the reason this is an issue is because people are not religious enough. I pointed out that there have been outbreaks in churches. His response was that they just were not strong enough believers. If this is the thought process we are dealing with, then this is going to continue spreading for a long time. Oddly enough, this does much more to protect him if I am an asymptomatic carrier than it does to protect me if I am not infected.25
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That sounds like the HIV religion angle.
Lord, help us all.11 -
I was using "lord help us" as a colloquialism.
It's kind of a fail here, isn't it?12 -
Does anyone think he will appreciate the irony if/when he is infected and symptomatic?4
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I can't even...1
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It would be nice to think that Darwinism is at work so that the reckless largely bear the consequences of their own actions. But it never really seems to work that way. The responsible always bear a disproportionate share of the consequences for the reckless choices of others. Essential & health workers come to mind first, but mask wearers are for the most part protecting others, while mask shunners are spraying others without altering their personal risk much. It is very much like anti-vaxers relying on herd immunity. Also somewhat like people who make responsible financial and health choices subsidizing the costs to the system that result from those who do not. (I'd like to end this post on an uplifting or optimistic note, but I can't think of one.)26
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It would be nice to think that Darwinism is at work so that the reckless largely bear the consequences of their own actions. But it never really seems to work that way. The responsible always bear a disproportionate share of the consequences for the reckless choices of others. Essential & health workers come to mind first, but mask wearers are for the most part protecting others, while mask shunners are spraying others without altering their personal risk much. It is very much like anti-vaxers relying on herd immunity. Also somewhat like people who make responsible financial and health choices subsidizing the costs to the system that result from those who do not. (I'd like to end this post on an uplifting or optimistic note, but I can't think of one.)
Very well said.5 -
It would be nice to think that Darwinism is at work so that the reckless largely bear the consequences of their own actions. But it never really seems to work that way. The responsible always bear a disproportionate share of the consequences for the reckless choices of others. Essential & health workers come to mind first, but mask wearers are for the most part protecting others, while mask shunners are spraying others without altering their personal risk much. It is very much like anti-vaxers relying on herd immunity. Also somewhat like people who make responsible financial and health choices subsidizing the costs to the system that result from those who do not. (I'd like to end this post on an uplifting or optimistic note, but I can't think of one.)
Why is there not an “agree” button?4 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »our hospitals, nursing homes etc are NOT letting in visitors right now at all. I live in Ga. A sad case- my sister-in-law- lost her grandma in the nursing home yesterday- she feels she died on a broken heart- her grandma stopped eatting a while back, would not take meds, had forbidden the family to put in a feeding tube-(it seems that she THOUGHT they had "thrown her away"( her words) BECAUSE they stopped visiting her. They could not make her understand that due to COVID 19- they could not come to visit- only talk on phone or stand outside the window to wave- but everytime- she told them_"y'all done throwd me away"- this thing is SAD- on so many levels- Stay safe and continue to pray!!!!!!
This is a hard thing with no fast solution. Being a guardian of a 76 year old friend that has been in a nursing home since his mother died in 1992 this is a hard thing especially since he grew up without hearing or getting to go to school and does not have speech. The staff does come out and get the Ensure type drink that I have been taking him for years so he knows I am still alive and have not forgotten him. Over a month ago they had one patient test positive for COVID-19 but they caught it quickly and so far that was the only case. The story is one employee had a family member that tested positive so that was an early warning I guess. Another area home had 13 employees and 7 residents test positive on the first round of testing. A high school friend lost his mom in that case because the number of deaths were high.
Finally caught up on current news and it sounds like large crowds of unmasked stressed out people are becoming the norm again. KY is open again and the traffic is very heavy.
I just saw on FB my church is voting tonight to go back inside or to keep having in car parking lot services. Having family in health care I had stopped going before the Governor shut down the church and now the bad news for Type A blood people I will continue to stay out of crowds. The daughter did the WalMart run for me yesterday because she was going and I was getting low on Half and Half, bananas and apples and honey.
What's the bad news for Type A blood people?5 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I'm at the laundromat right now and am the only person with anything to cover my nose/mouth. That is normal, but what is abnormal is that a stranger gave me a hard time about it. I think most people around here think people shouldn't wear masks, but this guy actually said something. He said that I should just "trust in god" and went on about how the reason this is an issue is because people are not religious enough. I pointed out that there have been outbreaks in churches. His response was that they just were not strong enough believers. If this is the thought process we are dealing with, then this is going to continue spreading for a long time. Oddly enough, this does much more to protect him if I am an asymptomatic carrier than it does to protect me if I am not infected.
Just shows how dumb his is. My MIL laughed at me when this virus first started and I said she shouldn't go to church. If there is a god he'd hear you pray at home right? She has various health issues so wouldn't do well if she caught it.5
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