Coronavirus prep
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like that anti lockdown protestor who said it was all a political ploy and 'it shouldnt keep us from living our lives' (his words) - who then died of coronavirus.
Now obviously I dont wish that on anyone but is rather ironic - and perhaps a lesson to the other such protestors.
edited to add link: https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/21/anti-lockdown-protester-branded-covid-19-political-ploy-killed-coronavirus-12588467/
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snickerscharlie wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »our hospitals, nursing homes etc are NOT letting in visitors right now at all. I live in Ga. A sad case- my sister-in-law- lost her grandma in the nursing home yesterday- she feels she died on a broken heart- her grandma stopped eatting a while back, would not take meds, had forbidden the family to put in a feeding tube-(it seems that she THOUGHT they had "thrown her away"( her words) BECAUSE they stopped visiting her. They could not make her understand that due to COVID 19- they could not come to visit- only talk on phone or stand outside the window to wave- but everytime- she told them_"y'all done throwd me away"- this thing is SAD- on so many levels- Stay safe and continue to pray!!!!!!
This is a hard thing with no fast solution. Being a guardian of a 76 year old friend that has been in a nursing home since his mother died in 1992 this is a hard thing especially since he grew up without hearing or getting to go to school and does not have speech. The staff does come out and get the Ensure type drink that I have been taking him for years so he knows I am still alive and have not forgotten him. Over a month ago they had one patient test positive for COVID-19 but they caught it quickly and so far that was the only case. The story is one employee had a family member that tested positive so that was an early warning I guess. Another area home had 13 employees and 7 residents test positive on the first round of testing. A high school friend lost his mom in that case because the number of deaths were high.
Finally caught up on current news and it sounds like large crowds of unmasked stressed out people are becoming the norm again. KY is open again and the traffic is very heavy.
I just saw on FB my church is voting tonight to go back inside or to keep having in car parking lot services. Having family in health care I had stopped going before the Governor shut down the church and now the bad news for Type A blood people I will continue to stay out of crowds. The daughter did the WalMart run for me yesterday because she was going and I was getting low on Half and Half, bananas and apples and honey.
What's the bad news for Type A blood people?
Well, according to the (silly) blood type diet, they should not eat: beef, pork, lamb, dairy, potatoes, yams, and sweet potatoes, cabbage, eggplant, tomatoes, peppers, and mushrooms, lima beans, or melons, oranges, strawberries, and mangos.
That could definitely be a bummer!4 -
why not lemur cat? - and what has that to do with coronavirus?0
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Supposedly Type A people are more likely to get a more virulent case of Coronavirus. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200603/Blood-group-type-may-affect-susceptibility-to-COVID-19-respiratory-failure.aspx "A lead SNP was also identified on chromosome 9 at the ABO blood group locus, and further analysis showed that A-positive participants were at a 45% increased for respiratory failure, while individuals with blood group O were at a 35% decreased risk for respiratory failure."
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""Our data thus aligns with the suggestions that blood group O is associated with lower risk compared with non-O blood groups whereas blood group A is associated with higher risk of acquiring Covid-19 compared with non-A blood groups," the authors state."7 -
paperpudding wrote: »why not lemur cat? - and what has that to do with coronavirus?
I saw from googling it that it was in some newspapers etc that type A blood type are more prone to catching it but no idea how much truth there is to it.1 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »Supposedly Type A people are more likely to get a more virulent case of Coronavirus. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200603/Blood-group-type-may-affect-susceptibility-to-COVID-19-respiratory-failure.aspx "A lead SNP was also identified on chromosome 9 at the ABO blood group locus, and further analysis showed that A-positive participants were at a 45% increased for respiratory failure, while individuals with blood group O were at a 35% decreased risk for respiratory failure."
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""Our data thus aligns with the suggestions that blood group O is associated with lower risk compared with non-O blood groups whereas blood group A is associated with higher risk of acquiring Covid-19 compared with non-A blood groups," the authors state."
I read part of this, and this snp was also in an area with a gene involved in immune response, so definitely preliminary.
They found a second region showing an even stronger association, but there are several genes in the area, so they can't pinpoint one yet.4 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »Supposedly Type A people are more likely to get a more virulent case of Coronavirus. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200603/Blood-group-type-may-affect-susceptibility-to-COVID-19-respiratory-failure.aspx "A lead SNP was also identified on chromosome 9 at the ABO blood group locus, and further analysis showed that A-positive participants were at a 45% increased for respiratory failure, while individuals with blood group O were at a 35% decreased risk for respiratory failure."
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""Our data thus aligns with the suggestions that blood group O is associated with lower risk compared with non-O blood groups whereas blood group A is associated with higher risk of acquiring Covid-19 compared with non-A blood groups," the authors state."
I read part of this, and this snp was also in an area with a gene involved in immune response, so definitely preliminary.
They found a second region showing an even stronger association, but there are several genes in the area, so they can't pinpoint one yet.
Somehow I missed this news and of course I’m now googling this like crazy—which, as usual, leaves me more confused. This article (and a few others) suggests the association of A blood type with adverse outcomes and O with less risk of infection was only significant for A+ and O+ (sigh of relief, as oldest son and I are A- and my physician husband is O+, now wondering if my 3 other Rh+ kids ended up A or O, post partum fog erased everything but the big needle).
So continued googling brings up other articles that do not specify Rh +/- (just that A blood group as a whole is at higher risk). So now vaguely uneasy and more confused about whether we need to ramp up our vigilance as our area opens up more.3 -
No new cases here in New Zealand for the last 17 days, and all known cases now recovered.
We are moving to Alert Level 1 tonight, which is pretty much back to "normal" daily life again, but border controls remain in place.17 -
only 1 active case in South Australia - our borders are also closed, even to other states of Australia
some other Australia states also there and others not that far behind.10 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »Supposedly Type A people are more likely to get a more virulent case of Coronavirus. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200603/Blood-group-type-may-affect-susceptibility-to-COVID-19-respiratory-failure.aspx "A lead SNP was also identified on chromosome 9 at the ABO blood group locus, and further analysis showed that A-positive participants were at a 45% increased for respiratory failure, while individuals with blood group O were at a 35% decreased risk for respiratory failure."
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""Our data thus aligns with the suggestions that blood group O is associated with lower risk compared with non-O blood groups whereas blood group A is associated with higher risk of acquiring Covid-19 compared with non-A blood groups," the authors state."
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paperpudding wrote: »only 1 active case in South Australia - our borders are also closed, even to other states of Australia
some other Australia states also there and others not that far behind.
Yay, hoping that continues - we want you "in our bubble"! (Lucky DH and I made a trip to SA late Feb - just before the restrictions stepped up)1 -
Zero cases here in Queensland today. Only 3 active cases and only 5 new cases for all of Australia. Boarders still closed in QLD but we're finally allowed to drive anywhere within it now.6
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In Ky USA we are an uptick of COVID-19 cases which probably means there are asymptomatic spreaders. Marches are one source i am sure. Pool parties of young kids with parents socializing is a new thing I noticed. Churches and movies are in business again. By July 4th a new peak maybe taking place due lack of social distancing and mask usage. August day care through colleges will be open for business. From the news I see social unrest is common place world wide. With police funding cut talk and some being charged with police abuse we may see fewer on the streets in an active way.
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gradchica27 wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »Supposedly Type A people are more likely to get a more virulent case of Coronavirus. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200603/Blood-group-type-may-affect-susceptibility-to-COVID-19-respiratory-failure.aspx "A lead SNP was also identified on chromosome 9 at the ABO blood group locus, and further analysis showed that A-positive participants were at a 45% increased for respiratory failure, while individuals with blood group O were at a 35% decreased risk for respiratory failure."
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""Our data thus aligns with the suggestions that blood group O is associated with lower risk compared with non-O blood groups whereas blood group A is associated with higher risk of acquiring Covid-19 compared with non-A blood groups," the authors state."
I read part of this, and this snp was also in an area with a gene involved in immune response, so definitely preliminary.
They found a second region showing an even stronger association, but there are several genes in the area, so they can't pinpoint one yet.
Somehow I missed this news and of course I’m now googling this like crazy—which, as usual, leaves me more confused. This article (and a few others) suggests the association of A blood type with adverse outcomes and O with less risk of infection was only significant for A+ and O+ (sigh of relief, as oldest son and I are A- and my physician husband is O+, now wondering if my 3 other Rh+ kids ended up A or O, post partum fog erased everything but the big needle).
So continued googling brings up other articles that do not specify Rh +/- (just that A blood group as a whole is at higher risk). So now vaguely uneasy and more confused about whether we need to ramp up our vigilance as our area opens up more.
Yeah, unfortunately we're still too early in this to know anything for a fact. We just have to keep reading and watching and weighing risks to benefits. I think those of us actually trying to think this through logically are going to be uneasy for awhile
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I found this article interesting and applicable to the way that some/or most of us are feeling.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/quarantine-fatigue-is-real-coronavirus-wellness/index.html2 -
Movies. You all explained hair cuts to me and I appreciate it. I still haven’t got a haircut.
Movies. Thinking about it only from the owners point of view. Why are they not open? Because they sell tickets online, it would be easy to limit people in each theater and plan ahead for distancing—every other row, seats between groups. Of course they wouldn’t be full and they often were on weekends before. But they might be fuller on weekdays since so many people are off work or working odd hours at home, and kids are out of school. I don’t ever go to the movies, so I don’t know how everything really works. It’s just that the movie theaters around here say they may have to close permanently because of the revenue lost, and I don’t see how they can fix that by staying closed now.3 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »Movies. You all explained hair cuts to me and I appreciate it. I still haven’t got a haircut.
Movies. Thinking about it only from the owners point of view. Why are they not open? Because they sell tickets online, it would be easy to limit people in each theater and plan ahead for distancing—every other row, seats between groups. Of course they wouldn’t be full and they often were on weekends before. But they might be fuller on weekdays since so many people are off work or working odd hours at home, and kids are out of school. I don’t ever go to the movies, so I don’t know how everything really works. It’s just that the movie theaters around here say they may have to close permanently because of the revenue lost, and I don’t see how they can fix that by staying closed now.
My concern would be (and theirs might be) air circulation. There was a case somewhere where one person with covid spread it to everyone sitting on the same side of the room in the restaurant, and no one right across the aisle from them. The assumption was the air conditioning kept pushing the particles the positive person was shedding straight across all the other tables. If circulation or filtration is poor, any virus particles could just sit in that room or swirl through over and over. And you're all probably sitting in there for 2 plus hours.
I also wonder if the costs of opening and maintaining a large building like that simply can't be covered by a partial opening and it's actually less of a loss to keep it closed.
The air circulation issue is why my scaredy-cat butt will be avoiding pretty much any enclosed space I have no control over the environmental controls, other than grocery shopping, for the foreseeable future, unless it's something where I'll be in and out in a couple of minutes.10 -
I'm just glad the panic buying seems to be over in London at least. No more problems with inventory at the supermarket.7
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paperpudding wrote: »why not lemur cat? - and what has that to do with coronavirus?
It's a ridiculous diet talked about often in the forum, and just a dumb joke.3 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »Movies. You all explained hair cuts to me and I appreciate it. I still haven’t got a haircut.
Movies. Thinking about it only from the owners point of view. Why are they not open? Because they sell tickets online, it would be easy to limit people in each theater and plan ahead for distancing—every other row, seats between groups. Of course they wouldn’t be full and they often were on weekends before. But they might be fuller on weekdays since so many people are off work or working odd hours at home, and kids are out of school. I don’t ever go to the movies, so I don’t know how everything really works. It’s just that the movie theaters around here say they may have to close permanently because of the revenue lost, and I don’t see how they can fix that by staying closed now.
Many theater chains were operating on thin ice financially before the virus (think streaming services at your home vs $10+ tickets and $20+ for popcorn candy and a soft drink).
The virus is just speeding it along.
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I found this article interesting and applicable to the way that some/or most of us are feeling.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/quarantine-fatigue-is-real-coronavirus-wellness/index.html
Yes, I still wear masks when out at the store, etc, but I can feel myself relaxing a bit. I no longer disinfect every single doorknob in the house nightly like I did a few months ago (we have a LOT of doors). After a lot of reports saying likelihood of catching it from groceries is quite small, I don’t disinfect all the things. I still “quarantine” most, but with less rigor. Also starting to see some friends again, though not really going anywhere inside.
I noticed my son is the only one wearing his mask to/from soccer anymore, and in certain stores I’m no longer in the majority with my mask (among employees and shoppers)."It's reflected when we become impatient with warnings, or we don't believe the warnings to be real or relevant, or we de-emphasize the actual risk," she added. "And in doing that, we then bend rules or stop safety behaviors
This is huge—the “don’t believe warnings to be relevant”. For ex, our neighborhood pool is reopening, but you cannot bring ANYTHING with you. No pool toys, no floats, no goggles. GOGGLES? I suppose I get the toys, bc they could be shared. But how is me wearing my own goggles (which would at least somewhat shield pool water from my eyes, if I were infected, I suppose) to swim going to increase anyone’s risk of getting sick? That’s the kind of ridiculous seeming rule that throws all other rules into question.
Lots of things seem not to make sense. Like soccer requires a mask to/from the field, but baseball does not. Soccer requires parents to stay in the car, baseball allows one parent at the field for some levels/leagues. Soccer wasn’t allowing them to pass the ball. With their feet. No one was touching it with their hands. How they were going to get sick from kicking a ball to each other from 6’ away? Too risky, but baseball lets them throw a ball to each other with their hands? Even from pretty compliant and cautious people like me, these rules engender grumbling and eye rolls. From people less compliant? I imagine they’re more likely to label every rule as ridiculous.11 -
Thanks @kimny72. Yes, air circulation makes sense.
@Theoldguy1 yes, that always made sense to me. Yet our theater is often full.0 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »Movies. You all explained hair cuts to me and I appreciate it. I still haven’t got a haircut.
Movies. Thinking about it only from the owners point of view. Why are they not open? Because they sell tickets online, it would be easy to limit people in each theater and plan ahead for distancing—every other row, seats between groups. Of course they wouldn’t be full and they often were on weekends before. But they might be fuller on weekdays since so many people are off work or working odd hours at home, and kids are out of school. I don’t ever go to the movies, so I don’t know how everything really works. It’s just that the movie theaters around here say they may have to close permanently because of the revenue lost, and I don’t see how they can fix that by staying closed now.
My concern would be (and theirs might be) air circulation. There was a case somewhere where one person with covid spread it to everyone sitting on the same side of the room in the restaurant, and no one right across the aisle from them. The assumption was the air conditioning kept pushing the particles the positive person was shedding straight across all the other tables. If circulation or filtration is poor, any virus particles could just sit in that room or swirl through over and over. And you're all probably sitting in there for 2 plus hours.
I also wonder if the costs of opening and maintaining a large building like that simply can't be covered by a partial opening and it's actually less of a loss to keep it closed.
The air circulation issue is why my scaredy-cat butt will be avoiding pretty much any enclosed space I have no control over the environmental controls, other than grocery shopping, for the foreseeable future, unless it's something where I'll be in and out in a couple of minutes.
Another issue is finding new movies to show. Most of Hollywood's releases were delayed until the fall at least.5 -
I watched a YouTube video about gymnasts returning to their gym to workout. They had temp check at the door, left shoes at door, and had to bring their belongings in a plastic tub, because cubbies are too close together. Then they proceeded into the gym and dumped all their tubs next to each other. No water fountains, but they can share a balance beam, and take turns on other equipment. I don't know if anyone is familiar with gymnastics, but that equipment does not get sanitized. Gymnasts are bare handed, barefooted(for the most part) and share and sweat on all mats, bars, beams, trampolines, etc for years! I had to just roll my eyes at the ridiculousness of social distancing (and/or lack thereof) in this type of situation.7
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Our first service at church this weekend, it was interesting to see the varying degrees of caution/awareness (or lack of). They ranged from people hugging, no masks, like nothing changed... to one guy screaming (literally) 6 feet! 6 feet! 6 feet! When his (unmasked) children and our (masked) children got too close to each other talking. Seriously, he flipped. We are conscious and aware of distancing, talked to the kids before hand, made sure they used sanitizer multiple times, face masks properly covering nose and mouth... they just got caught up in the conversation I guess. I was getting ready to say something but he beat me to it. It was awkward, further so when he said something about “especially the C’s” (our family). Seriously dude? WTHeck does that even mean? He then paraded his family out the doors with arms stretched wide, chanting “6 feet!” the entire way out - like parting the sea. It was weird. I kind of have the philosophy that if you are wanting to be that cautious, just stay home. Our pastor made it very clear that if you aren’t comfortable, there is no pressure... even if you need to leave in the middle of service because you thought you would be OK but aren’t. We went early, we sat on a far side by ourselves, we talked sparingly and from a distance, and scooted out soon afterwards. We’ll see. They are calling it week by week since we are still considered a hot spot.
My brain is very confused as things start to open up... some days are like it never happened, others it feels all too real still. It’s a weird place to be in.
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gradchica27 wrote: »I found this article interesting and applicable to the way that some/or most of us are feeling.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/quarantine-fatigue-is-real-coronavirus-wellness/index.html
Yes, I still wear masks when out at the store, etc, but I can feel myself relaxing a bit. I no longer disinfect every single doorknob in the house nightly like I did a few months ago (we have a LOT of doors). After a lot of reports saying likelihood of catching it from groceries is quite small, I don’t disinfect all the things. I still “quarantine” most, but with less rigor. Also starting to see some friends again, though not really going anywhere inside.
I noticed my son is the only one wearing his mask to/from soccer anymore, and in certain stores I’m no longer in the majority with my mask (among employees and shoppers)."It's reflected when we become impatient with warnings, or we don't believe the warnings to be real or relevant, or we de-emphasize the actual risk," she added. "And in doing that, we then bend rules or stop safety behaviors
This is huge—the “don’t believe warnings to be relevant”. For ex, our neighborhood pool is reopening, but you cannot bring ANYTHING with you. No pool toys, no floats, no goggles. GOGGLES? I suppose I get the toys, bc they could be shared. But how is me wearing my own goggles (which would at least somewhat shield pool water from my eyes, if I were infected, I suppose) to swim going to increase anyone’s risk of getting sick? That’s the kind of ridiculous seeming rule that throws all other rules into question.
Lots of things seem not to make sense. Like soccer requires a mask to/from the field, but baseball does not. Soccer requires parents to stay in the car, baseball allows one parent at the field for some levels/leagues. Soccer wasn’t allowing them to pass the ball. With their feet. No one was touching it with their hands. How they were going to get sick from kicking a ball to each other from 6’ away? Too risky, but baseball lets them throw a ball to each other with their hands? Even from pretty compliant and cautious people like me, these rules engender grumbling and eye rolls. From people less compliant? I imagine they’re more likely to label every rule as ridiculous.
As far as the pool, it's possible it's easier to say don't bring anything than to provide a list of do's and don'ts. Also, some people are liable to leave their stuff lying around and that risks other people picking it up? I don't know, all the pools by me are still closed - i always think of public pools as full of other people's ick anyway
I'm kind of surprised youth sports are happening. In my admittedly limited experience watching kids practice/play team sports, it's pretty useless to try to keep kids from standing close to and even rolling around with each other. Maybe I've just watched some very undisciplined youth teams!4 -
gradchica27 wrote: »I found this article interesting and applicable to the way that some/or most of us are feeling.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/quarantine-fatigue-is-real-coronavirus-wellness/index.html
Yes, I still wear masks when out at the store, etc, but I can feel myself relaxing a bit. I no longer disinfect every single doorknob in the house nightly like I did a few months ago (we have a LOT of doors). After a lot of reports saying likelihood of catching it from groceries is quite small, I don’t disinfect all the things. I still “quarantine” most, but with less rigor. Also starting to see some friends again, though not really going anywhere inside.
I noticed my son is the only one wearing his mask to/from soccer anymore, and in certain stores I’m no longer in the majority with my mask (among employees and shoppers)."It's reflected when we become impatient with warnings, or we don't believe the warnings to be real or relevant, or we de-emphasize the actual risk," she added. "And in doing that, we then bend rules or stop safety behaviors
This is huge—the “don’t believe warnings to be relevant”. For ex, our neighborhood pool is reopening, but you cannot bring ANYTHING with you. No pool toys, no floats, no goggles. GOGGLES? I suppose I get the toys, bc they could be shared. But how is me wearing my own goggles (which would at least somewhat shield pool water from my eyes, if I were infected, I suppose) to swim going to increase anyone’s risk of getting sick? That’s the kind of ridiculous seeming rule that throws all other rules into question.
Lots of things seem not to make sense. Like soccer requires a mask to/from the field, but baseball does not. Soccer requires parents to stay in the car, baseball allows one parent at the field for some levels/leagues. Soccer wasn’t allowing them to pass the ball. With their feet. No one was touching it with their hands. How they were going to get sick from kicking a ball to each other from 6’ away? Too risky, but baseball lets them throw a ball to each other with their hands? Even from pretty compliant and cautious people like me, these rules engender grumbling and eye rolls. From people less compliant? I imagine they’re more likely to label every rule as ridiculous.
I'm speculating, but it seems like there are two perspectives on this sort of thing.
From the perspective of people participating in many different activities, the disparate rules really, really don't make sense - so inconsistent across activities, and some rules potentially don't even seem logical taken by themselves.
From another perpective, the perspective of the process we're all in, I think it's totally understandable, almost inevitable.
We have a plethora of organizations, some with formal governing bodies, some with loose coordinating associations, some just run by local people, sometimes those running them are only volunteers. The national governing/coordinating groups may be trying to provide some guidance, but they're in a context where nearly every state has different rules, and sometimes different phases within regions in a single state (and potentially a layer of city/county requirement on top of the state ones). All of the regulations/guidelines are changing dynamically, with short notice . . . and the science on which they're based is still unclear and evolving by the day. Not every organization has advisors who understand the science, plus the ins & outs of the particular activity (the sport, for example), plus know the regulatory layer.
I don't see how a coherent, consistent set of rules across sports, facilities and activities is going to emerge this fast, from this kind of environment. I think it's a miracle that we have as much clarity and consistency as we have, frankly, even though it isn't much.
Imagine yourself (generically, not PP specifically) asked to create safe practice guidelines for X activity that you or a family member are active in and familiar with. You have a week or two notice, at best - knew it was coming, but that much time seeing guidance on the specific regulations. How easy would that be? How much more expertise or guidance do the people actually defining the practices have than that (varies from about what you have, on up to lots - but probably mostly toward the "not very much" end of the scale)?
I think we're all used to an environment where (mostly) things are known and understood, there's time to develop new guidelines because most challenges to the established order are slow-rolling. This is different, but we still want and expect the orderliness that goes with more normal circumstances.
Not realistic, IMO. What we have here is a bunch of people, with incomplete information, on a short time-scale, doing the best they can, IMO.7 -
DancingMoosie wrote: »I watched a YouTube video about gymnasts returning to their gym to workout. They had temp check at the door, left shoes at door, and had to bring their belongings in a plastic tub, because cubbies are too close together. Then they proceeded into the gym and dumped all their tubs next to each other. No water fountains, but they can share a balance beam, and take turns on other equipment. I don't know if anyone is familiar with gymnastics, but that equipment does not get sanitized. Gymnasts are bare handed, barefooted(for the most part) and share and sweat on all mats, bars, beams, trampolines, etc for years! I had to just roll my eyes at the ridiculousness of social distancing (and/or lack thereof) in this type of situation.
How often do you put your mouth or eyes on the beam, though? As long as you keep your hands strictly away from your face until you can wash them, the virus is not coming through your foot into your body. It also isn’t transmitted through sweat.
I would be more concerned about circulated air, since some studies of actual cases have found transmission at quite a distance in enclosed spaces where people are breathing heavily.5 -
gradchica27 wrote: »I found this article interesting and applicable to the way that some/or most of us are feeling.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/quarantine-fatigue-is-real-coronavirus-wellness/index.html
Yes, I still wear masks when out at the store, etc, but I can feel myself relaxing a bit. I no longer disinfect every single doorknob in the house nightly like I did a few months ago (we have a LOT of doors). After a lot of reports saying likelihood of catching it from groceries is quite small, I don’t disinfect all the things. I still “quarantine” most, but with less rigor. Also starting to see some friends again, though not really going anywhere inside.
I noticed my son is the only one wearing his mask to/from soccer anymore, and in certain stores I’m no longer in the majority with my mask (among employees and shoppers)."It's reflected when we become impatient with warnings, or we don't believe the warnings to be real or relevant, or we de-emphasize the actual risk," she added. "And in doing that, we then bend rules or stop safety behaviors
This is huge—the “don’t believe warnings to be relevant”. For ex, our neighborhood pool is reopening, but you cannot bring ANYTHING with you. No pool toys, no floats, no goggles. GOGGLES? I suppose I get the toys, bc they could be shared. But how is me wearing my own goggles (which would at least somewhat shield pool water from my eyes, if I were infected, I suppose) to swim going to increase anyone’s risk of getting sick? That’s the kind of ridiculous seeming rule that throws all other rules into question.
Lots of things seem not to make sense. Like soccer requires a mask to/from the field, but baseball does not. Soccer requires parents to stay in the car, baseball allows one parent at the field for some levels/leagues. Soccer wasn’t allowing them to pass the ball. With their feet. No one was touching it with their hands. How they were going to get sick from kicking a ball to each other from 6’ away? Too risky, but baseball lets them throw a ball to each other with their hands? Even from pretty compliant and cautious people like me, these rules engender grumbling and eye rolls. From people less compliant? I imagine they’re more likely to label every rule as ridiculous.
Absolutely. Every rule that people don’t believe in makes them more likely to ignore all the rules.
Quarantine fatigue is hitting my mom hard. She’s on a farm way out in the country so if she doesn’t go out she doesn’t see other people at all, not even when picking up the mail and so on, she’s naturally an extrovert, and her foolish friends are all urging her to ignore caution and go back to tai chi, get her hair done, and so on. Meanwhile, she is 84, has high blood pressure, and breathes heavily after a short walk across the room. If she catches this it is a death sentence. I would like to kick her friends, just a little, for trying to kill my mom. My husband had to explain carefully to her why exactly getting her hair cut and colored was the absolutely most dangerous thing she could do. It’s all about TIME AND DISTANCE, and what the other person has been exposed to, so sitting for an hour with someone else’s face within a foot of your face when that person does the same with dozens of others every day is not okay. “But she sprays your whole body down with disinfectant!” “That does nothing, your elbows are not going to give you the virus.” “But we both wear masks!” “Homemade cloth masks are for preventing the big droplets of your sneeze from traveling across a room, they don’t stop the virus.”
And her tai chi instructor is a flat out “this is all a hoax” type person who makes a big point of ignoring the rules. Just no.10 -
rheddmobile wrote: »DancingMoosie wrote: »I watched a YouTube video about gymnasts returning to their gym to workout. They had temp check at the door, left shoes at door, and had to bring their belongings in a plastic tub, because cubbies are too close together. Then they proceeded into the gym and dumped all their tubs next to each other. No water fountains, but they can share a balance beam, and take turns on other equipment. I don't know if anyone is familiar with gymnastics, but that equipment does not get sanitized. Gymnasts are bare handed, barefooted(for the most part) and share and sweat on all mats, bars, beams, trampolines, etc for years! I had to just roll my eyes at the ridiculousness of social distancing (and/or lack thereof) in this type of situation.
How often do you put your mouth or eyes on the beam, though? As long as you keep your hands strictly away from your face until you can wash them, the virus is not coming through your foot into your body. It also isn’t transmitted through sweat.
I would be more concerned about circulated air, since some studies of actual cases have found transmission at quite a distance in enclosed spaces where people are breathing heavily.
Gymnasts are known to spit on their grips before bars, though. 🤷 And you know kids touch their faces...
My point was that none of the rules really made sense. The kids touch all the surfaces, but can't use cubbies or water fountains, but can put their belongings next to each other and share equipment.5
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