Coronavirus prep
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Regarding gaiters - I rarely see anybody wearing N95's, so this is not about a comparison between gaiters and N95's, but rather between gaiters and cloth masks or the 3-ply surgical masks.
Most of what I've seen for purchase of cloth masks, as well as what my state sent out through my employer, are single cloth thickness. Not different than a gaiter. These are not intended to protect the wearer much (again: I'm not talking about nor comparing to N95's). They are merely "source control." The idea is that if I am a "source" of Covid spread unknowingly, the water droplets coming from my nose and mouth are captured by the mask or gaiter.
Nobody is saying gaiters are the same as N95's.9 -
From Mass.Gov site:
When you wear a cloth mask, it should:
Cover your nose and mouth,
Fit snugly but comfortably against the side of the face,
Be secured with ties or ear loops,
Include multiple layers of fabric,
Allow for breathing without restriction, and
Be able to be laundered and machine dried without damage or change to shape.
When putting on and taking off a mask, do not touch the front of it, you should only handle the ties or ear straps, and make sure you wash the cloth mask regularly. Wash your hands or use hand sanitizer after touching the mask.6 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Regarding gaiters - I rarely see anybody wearing N95's, so this is not about a comparison between gaiters and N95's, but rather between gaiters and cloth masks or the 3-ply surgical masks.
Most of what I've seen for purchase of cloth masks, as well as what my state sent out through my employer, are single cloth thickness. Not different than a gaiter. These are not intended to protect the wearer much (again: I'm not talking about nor comparing to N95's). They are merely "source control." The idea is that if I am a "source" of Covid spread unknowingly, the water droplets coming from my nose and mouth are captured by the mask or gaiter.
Nobody is saying gaiters are the same as N95's.
That was the point: you wear a face covering to protect others; protection for yourself is negligible.
Personally, I don't give a *kitten* what face protection you're wearing, as long as it covers your nose and mouth and you stay 6 ft. from me. In my experience, a lot of people can't even do that, so I'm not going to expect extra precautions.10 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Regarding gaiters - I rarely see anybody wearing N95's, so this is not about a comparison between gaiters and N95's, but rather between gaiters and cloth masks or the 3-ply surgical masks.
Most of what I've seen for purchase of cloth masks, as well as what my state sent out through my employer, are single cloth thickness. Not different than a gaiter. These are not intended to protect the wearer much (again: I'm not talking about nor comparing to N95's). They are merely "source control." The idea is that if I am a "source" of Covid spread unknowingly, the water droplets coming from my nose and mouth are captured by the mask or gaiter.
Nobody is saying gaiters are the same as N95's.
That was the point: you wear a face covering to protect others; protection for yourself is negligible.
Personally, I don't give a *kitten* what face protection you're wearing, as long as it covers your nose and mouth and you stay 6 ft. from me. In my experience, a lot of people can't even do that, so I'm not going to expect extra precautions.
Right... my county has a mask ordinance and we still have maybe 10%-15% compliance. I wear a mask to protect everyone else, not myself. It is irritating that others won't do the same to protect me.9 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Regarding gaiters - I rarely see anybody wearing N95's, so this is not about a comparison between gaiters and N95's, but rather between gaiters and cloth masks or the 3-ply surgical masks.
Most of what I've seen for purchase of cloth masks, as well as what my state sent out through my employer, are single cloth thickness. Not different than a gaiter. These are not intended to protect the wearer much (again: I'm not talking about nor comparing to N95's). They are merely "source control." The idea is that if I am a "source" of Covid spread unknowingly, the water droplets coming from my nose and mouth are captured by the mask or gaiter.
Nobody is saying gaiters are the same as N95's.
That was the point: you wear a face covering to protect others; protection for yourself is negligible.
Personally, I don't give a *kitten* what face protection you're wearing, as long as it covers your nose and mouth and you stay 6 ft. from me. In my experience, a lot of people can't even do that, so I'm not going to expect extra precautions.
Right... my county has a mask ordinance and we still have maybe 10%-15% compliance. I wear a mask to protect everyone else, not myself. It is irritating that others won't do the same to protect me.
Yes--it's irritating, but not likely to change. This is unfortunate, but better to not waste energy on it. I just protect myself to the best of my ability.9 -
How's a hospital to judge the quality of random masks that staff procured.Curious about the bolded because I've heard that many times in the last year, but the hospital I worked at only used surgical masks or PPAP hoods. I've even heard anecdotal stories that hospitals didn't allow nurses to bring in their own higher quality masks.
For liability and other reasons, it would be a challenge for hospitals to freeform PPE during a pandemic.
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snowflake954 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Regarding gaiters - I rarely see anybody wearing N95's, so this is not about a comparison between gaiters and N95's, but rather between gaiters and cloth masks or the 3-ply surgical masks.
Most of what I've seen for purchase of cloth masks, as well as what my state sent out through my employer, are single cloth thickness. Not different than a gaiter. These are not intended to protect the wearer much (again: I'm not talking about nor comparing to N95's). They are merely "source control." The idea is that if I am a "source" of Covid spread unknowingly, the water droplets coming from my nose and mouth are captured by the mask or gaiter.
Nobody is saying gaiters are the same as N95's.
That was the point: you wear a face covering to protect others; protection for yourself is negligible.
Personally, I don't give a *kitten* what face protection you're wearing, as long as it covers your nose and mouth and you stay 6 ft. from me. In my experience, a lot of people can't even do that, so I'm not going to expect extra precautions.
Right... my county has a mask ordinance and we still have maybe 10%-15% compliance. I wear a mask to protect everyone else, not myself. It is irritating that others won't do the same to protect me.
Yes--it's irritating, but not likely to change. This is unfortunate, but better to not waste energy on it. I just protect myself to the best of my ability.
It's the same for us here. I gave up hope in others here doing the right thing months ago. We just do what is right and best to protect our family and community, and that's all you can do. Cultivate your own garden.
My oldest had to go to an in-person class at her college yesterday. She wore a disposable surgical mask covered by a 2-ply cloth mask. That's our plans for Krogering going forward. But that's all we do anyway now. Our new normal. 'Cept it's not new. It will be a year on March 17th. Since we're so isolated we know we aren't spreading anything to anyone else. We will have to continue to protect ourselves from them. It is starting to wear on us though. I'm tired.17 -
baconslave wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Regarding gaiters - I rarely see anybody wearing N95's, so this is not about a comparison between gaiters and N95's, but rather between gaiters and cloth masks or the 3-ply surgical masks.
Most of what I've seen for purchase of cloth masks, as well as what my state sent out through my employer, are single cloth thickness. Not different than a gaiter. These are not intended to protect the wearer much (again: I'm not talking about nor comparing to N95's). They are merely "source control." The idea is that if I am a "source" of Covid spread unknowingly, the water droplets coming from my nose and mouth are captured by the mask or gaiter.
Nobody is saying gaiters are the same as N95's.
That was the point: you wear a face covering to protect others; protection for yourself is negligible.
Personally, I don't give a *kitten* what face protection you're wearing, as long as it covers your nose and mouth and you stay 6 ft. from me. In my experience, a lot of people can't even do that, so I'm not going to expect extra precautions.
Right... my county has a mask ordinance and we still have maybe 10%-15% compliance. I wear a mask to protect everyone else, not myself. It is irritating that others won't do the same to protect me.
Yes--it's irritating, but not likely to change. This is unfortunate, but better to not waste energy on it. I just protect myself to the best of my ability.
It's the same for us here. I gave up hope in others here doing the right thing months ago. We just do what is right and best to protect our family and community, and that's all you can do. Cultivate your own garden.
My oldest had to go to an in-person class at her college yesterday. She wore a disposable surgical mask covered by a 2-ply cloth mask. That's our plans for Krogering going forward. But that's all we do anyway now. Our new normal. 'Cept it's not new. It will be a year on March 17th. Since we're so isolated we know we aren't spreading anything to anyone else. We will have to continue to protect ourselves from them. It is starting to wear on us though. I'm tired.
I'm with you hon, we're all so tired of being careful. People that we know and family have gotten COVID. So far we've missed the silver bullet, but it's still out there.......9 -
Response by PCP to my Vitamin D of 22. 50,000 IU D3/week for 12 weeks, then 1000 IU daily10
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NM Governor just announced yesterday that public schools can resume in person learning on a hybrid schedule starting Feb 8. It will be up to individual districts as to whether or not they will. I'm in the largest school district in the state, so it'll be interesting to see what they do...hoping the kids will be able to go back though...a couple days out of the week is better than nothing.8
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Here is a reason you can be glad to not live in China ATM. They are apparently rolling out anal swabs as a more accurate way of testing for COVID. Curious if it is self swab, or some poor medical personnel are having to carry out those tests.7
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I have not been inside a store, clinic, anywhere in months. The last time I was I saw some real ridiculousness with plastic shields that were open all the way around instead of masks AND masks made of lace, which obviously don't do anything except fulfill the requirement for face covering. They think they're being cute, until it's their family members who end up dead. In person school is set to begin around here on Feb. 8th, for K through 2nd grade, with 3rd, 4th and 5th graders resuming in another 3 to 4 weeks. ugh, it feels like I am never getting out of quarantine! Every place that announces opening for appointments fills up within 15 minutes.8
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Here is a reason you can be glad to not live in China ATM. They are apparently rolling out anal swabs as a more accurate way of testing for COVID. Curious if it is self swab, or some poor medical personnel are having to carry out those tests.
I am curious about the science behind this. It seems likely that fewer people would go for testing, which is a problem worse than accuracy concerns.
Also, don't threaten me with a good time. 😆10 -
Antiopelle wrote: »In Belgium any type of cloth mask is now prohibited in most hospitals and the disposable blue masks are generally encouraged. Apparently hospital staff encountered too many patients and visitors wearing cloth masks that were clearly not hygienic anymore, becoming a source of bacterial infection in themselves.
Cloth masks should be washed every day with soap at a temp of at least 60°c. The reasoning behind is that this is a hurdle most people do not take and disposables will be replaced more often as they are more convenient. Normally the max time to use the disposables is 4 hours, but I do believe that many people wear them more than that, usually until one of the elastics break.
Thanks for this! For those of us who use F, 60°C = 140°F.
I haven't been feeling good about my cloth mask since seeing this graphic on another thread (and looking up the sourcing.)
I have 20 KN95 masks from my former employer but cannot breathe through them and feel sick after wearing them. (May be related to my chemical sensitivity.) I also tried one of those blue ones, and it is better than the KN95 but not as breathable as the cloth.
I'm almost never in public though - just at supermarkets, where there is 100% face covering wearing compliance (but a lesser amount of wearing CORRECTLY), and I go at times of day where I'm not within 6 feet of people for more than a few seconds.3 -
This headline perfectly describes my experience of trying to schedule a vaccine for my mother here in Massachusetts. Really disappointed in my state.
‘Debacle’: Mass. Residents Over 75 Frustrated On First Day Of COVID Vaccine Registration8 -
I am curious about all the schools doing online that I hear about on tv. My gkids schools in both Iowa & Oklahoma have been full time in person since they started in the fall, except for a 2 wk shutdown around Thanksgiving. Now instead of total school shut down, it will be by individual classrooms. I don’t really know, but it doesn’t seem to have increased the cases that much, even when Iowa was #4.
Gaiters were allowed at first, so gson got some & they were so long, we doubled them over & I sewed them to stay. But now school doesn’t allow them.
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kshama2001 wrote: »Antiopelle wrote: »In Belgium any type of cloth mask is now prohibited in most hospitals and the disposable blue masks are generally encouraged. Apparently hospital staff encountered too many patients and visitors wearing cloth masks that were clearly not hygienic anymore, becoming a source of bacterial infection in themselves.
Cloth masks should be washed every day with soap at a temp of at least 60°c. The reasoning behind is that this is a hurdle most people do not take and disposables will be replaced more often as they are more convenient. Normally the max time to use the disposables is 4 hours, but I do believe that many people wear them more than that, usually until one of the elastics break.
Thanks for this! For those of us who use F, 60°C = 140°F.
I haven't been feeling good about my cloth mask since seeing this graphic on another thread (and looking up the sourcing.)
I have 20 KN95 masks from my former employer but cannot breathe through them and feel sick after wearing them. (May be related to my chemical sensitivity.) I also tried one of those blue ones, and it is better than the KN95 but not as breathable as the cloth.
I'm almost never in public though - just at supermarkets, where there is 100% face covering wearing compliance (but a lesser amount of wearing CORRECTLY), and I go at times of day where I'm not within 6 feet of people for more than a few seconds.
@Kshama2001 I remember this infographic. Quilting cotton fabric is what I use to sew masks and I had forgotten that in the beginning coffee filters were used in the filter pocket.
Also, interesting article on the mass rollout. Totally different than what I realized. Since my parents are still "researching" the vaccine, I did not try online today and the only people that I personally know that tried, did not have a problem. But for all the bad, i doubt it was any worse than how it went in Florida. It finally took my techy son to write a software script that monitored appointment offerings and set off an alarm when one popped up. First two he lost (first, he did not have her insurance info and second, he was pouring a cup of coffee) but third one worked. But I truly feel bad for the folks that do not have computer access or skills, or don't have someone with those skills to help them.3 -
My husband is getting his first jab this coming Saturday, and I just scheduled mine for next Tuesday, Feb 02 in the afternoon.
Interesting that when we were children we used to "run" away from vaccines and shots, and now we are pleading for one....
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LisaGetsMoving wrote: »I have not been inside a store, clinic, anywhere in months. The last time I was I saw some real ridiculousness with plastic shields that were open all the way around instead of masks AND masks made of lace, which obviously don't do anything except fulfill the requirement for face covering. They think they're being cute, until it's their family members who end up dead. In person school is set to begin around here on Feb. 8th, for K through 2nd grade, with 3rd, 4th and 5th graders resuming in another 3 to 4 weeks. ugh, it feels like I am never getting out of quarantine! Every place that announces opening for appointments fills up within 15 minutes.
Yeah. Someone in my FB feed (daughter of a good friend, so I follow the daughter to see grandkid photos) just posted "my body, my rules" on a thread about double-masking. 🙄 Lots of photos throughout the pandemic of her all huggy-maskless with friends/coworkers/etc. Also a rabid anti-vaxxer. I hope her child doesn't pay for that - either of those things - sincerely.)
On the shield-only front, I've seen only a very few people here, like that. I've seen quite a few mask+shield (and have some friends who do this, if they must be around others, because immunocompromised). Since it's rare here to see shield-only, I've wondered if it's folks who have actual breathing issues with masks, since one can't really tell that from visual inspection. Can't really recall circumstances where I saw them, either, i.e., whether potentially avoidable risk like grocery store, vs. maybe unavoidable ones like medical facility visit.
I have to admit, I don't pay as much attention to what other people do, as I did at first - at least not until they get close to me. (Most people here are masked, have been for a while, and the majority properly - a few slipped down below nose or on chin, when I've paid attention, but not many, and perhaps less common than at first.)2 -
I think it's important not to get too lost in the weeds on mask types, depending on your exposure and risk levels. If you are maintaining distancing and not lingering in indoor public spaces, any well fitting face covering will probably do just fine. If you work in a public space or will be spending some time in a public indoor space (like a long grocery shopping stop), it's probably a good idea to ensure you have multiple layers, or double up. Also if you live in an area where others are liable to invade the personal space you're trying to maintain. If you are at high risk or in a hot spot, you might want to consider investing in some serious, healthcare grade masks.
Gators got a bad rap when some company testing something else saw data that suggested gators did nothing. It was quickly debunked but retractions never get the same press. Gators are better than nothing and probably similar protection to a single ply cloth mask. I personally wouldn't wear either into a grocery store, but they are better than nothing and will at least physically block particles from a sneeze or cough travelling 6 feet I would guess.
If everyone would wear anything over their nose and mouth (other than the smart a** masks designed as an fu to mask rules) whenever they were in public, we'd be in a much better place right now.
I have some soft cotton masks with a gauzey inner layer that I wear outside, at work (since I rarely see anyone other than the receptionist and everyone masks), or to quickly run into a place to pickup takeout or just buy the bananas I forgot). If I'm going somewhere indoors that I think might be crowded or I'll be inside for more than 5 or 10 minutes, I have thicker masks with two layers of tighter fabric and a nose fitter. I'm thinking of buying some disposable masks to double up with my cloth masks now that these other strains might be more transmissible. But I have no known risk factors and am able to avoid other people almost entirely.7 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Antiopelle wrote: »In Belgium any type of cloth mask is now prohibited in most hospitals and the disposable blue masks are generally encouraged. Apparently hospital staff encountered too many patients and visitors wearing cloth masks that were clearly not hygienic anymore, becoming a source of bacterial infection in themselves.
Cloth masks should be washed every day with soap at a temp of at least 60°c. The reasoning behind is that this is a hurdle most people do not take and disposables will be replaced more often as they are more convenient. Normally the max time to use the disposables is 4 hours, but I do believe that many people wear them more than that, usually until one of the elastics break.
Thanks for this! For those of us who use F, 60°C = 140°F.
(snip useful infographic and some good comments, for reply length)
I'm almost never in public though - just at supermarkets, where there is 100% face covering wearing compliance (but a lesser amount of wearing CORRECTLY), and I go at times of day where I'm not within 6 feet of people for more than a few seconds.
This is probably weird, but as I mentioned I've been doing bandit-style cotton scarf over disposable blue mask. I've actually *boiled* the cotton scarves on the stove - they hold up well.
(Maybe this sounds freaky compulsive, so I'll add for context that my hot water heater only goes to 120F, and my clothes-dryer died awhile back mid-pandemic and I don't want deliverers/installers in my house until I can at least air the place out (it's 24F, -4C here at 3:47PM today), so I'm air drying stuff I wash for the time being.) Boiling elastic (and maybe synthetic fiber fabric) would be a bad idea, but it can work on all-cotton.3 -
RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »I am curious about all the schools doing online that I hear about on tv. My gkids schools in both Iowa & Oklahoma have been full time in person since they started in the fall, except for a 2 wk shutdown around Thanksgiving. Now instead of total school shut down, it will be by individual classrooms. I don’t really know, but it doesn’t seem to have increased the cases that much, even when Iowa was #4.
Gaiters were allowed at first, so gson got some & they were so long, we doubled them over & I sewed them to stay. But now school doesn’t allow them.
My kids (8 and 10) have been online since March 10 of last year. They're doing fine with it, but I know others who struggle. We did have some districts go in person in the fall, including our neighboring district. It was fairly short lived though. There weren't a ton of cases traced back to school in terms of overall numbers state wide, but they would have an outbreak and have to close up and clean...re-open...close up and clean...re-open, etc. It just got to the point of not being worth it, so they went online sometime in late October...would have been shut down anyway in November as we went back into stay at home orders due to significantly rising cases.
Schools here in NM have been given the green light to go hybrid in person starting Feb 8th, at the discretion of the district. I'm hoping all goes well. Our total case numbers and positivity rate has dropped substantially from early November where we were getting around 3,000 new cases daily...now we're back down into the hundreds..500-600 daily.
Biggest issue in NM is that even in the best of times, we have limited hospital capacity and capabilities. We are dead last in the US in regards to per capita hospital beds and only have four hospitals in the entire state with ICU capability. We were completely maxed out from about mid November through late December when we finally saw numbers starting to drop again.2 -
Adding in about cleaning masks. The point I have not seen in the recent discussion is detergent. Detergent breaks the lipid layer of COVID and, from my understanding, destroys it. If detergent does that on its own, why do we need to worry about temp too. I personally have concentrated on a good detergent soaping, thorough rinsing, and then hang dry.10
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My husband just bought some of the KN95 masks. I know they vary as far as quality, and have no idea if these are better or worse than my multi-layer cloth masks.
He's trying to convince me that I should be wearing these to work instead of the cloth masks, especially with the new strains of the virus.
I don't work with the "public", but I have to sit in a closed room with 9 of my co-workers, separated by plexiglass (which I'm not convinced helps at all).
Not sure which ones I'll end up wearing.7 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »My husband just bought some of the KN95 masks. I know they vary as far as quality, and have no idea if these are better or worse than my multi-layer cloth masks.
He's trying to convince me that I should be wearing these to work instead of the cloth masks, especially with the new strains of the virus.
I don't work with the "public", but I have to sit in a closed room with 9 of my co-workers, separated by plexiglass (which I'm not convinced helps at all).
Not sure which ones I'll end up wearing.
This is how I know the KN-95s I have work. When I wear a cloth mask, my glasses fog up. When I wear the KN-95, they don't. I know that sounds ridiculously simple, but the KN-95s I have, when you fit the nose, don't fog up the glasses. What is very annoying about them, though, is they pull on your ears.
There are back of the neck straps you can buy that you can attach the KN-95 to in order to make the more comfortable and not irritate your ears.4 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »My husband just bought some of the KN95 masks. I know they vary as far as quality, and have no idea if these are better or worse than my multi-layer cloth masks.
He's trying to convince me that I should be wearing these to work instead of the cloth masks, especially with the new strains of the virus.
I don't work with the "public", but I have to sit in a closed room with 9 of my co-workers, separated by plexiglass (which I'm not convinced helps at all).
Not sure which ones I'll end up wearing.
This is how I know the KN-95s I have work. When I wear a cloth mask, my glasses fog up. When I wear the KN-95, they don't. I know that sounds ridiculously simple, but the KN-95s I have, when you fit the nose, don't fog up the glasses. What is very annoying about them, though, is they pull on your ears.
There are back of the neck straps you can buy that you can attach the KN-95 to in order to make the more comfortable and not irritate your ears.
But dosen't that just say the KN95s fit better around your nose? Really doesn't say they filter better or worse.9 -
Regarding kids and school: my kids have been in school since September, full-time (they are in elementary school). Their school district has a dashboard to check cases in school based on each building and whether it's a child or teacher/administrator in quarantine, reason for quarantine (exposed at school or elsewhere), if they tested negative or positive and much more. It's been very informative. Based on the data here school hasn't been a factor in the positively rate for our community (very few test positive and non of them have been linked back to being exposed at school). The issue is more with having enough subs to replace those that are out due to medical reasons (high risk) or have to quarantine for one reason or another. I live in Kansas, but close to Kansas City in what we call metro- Kansas City (but on the Kansas side).4
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »My husband just bought some of the KN95 masks. I know they vary as far as quality, and have no idea if these are better or worse than my multi-layer cloth masks.
He's trying to convince me that I should be wearing these to work instead of the cloth masks, especially with the new strains of the virus.
I don't work with the "public", but I have to sit in a closed room with 9 of my co-workers, separated by plexiglass (which I'm not convinced helps at all).
Not sure which ones I'll end up wearing.
This is how I know the KN-95s I have work. When I wear a cloth mask, my glasses fog up. When I wear the KN-95, they don't. I know that sounds ridiculously simple, but the KN-95s I have, when you fit the nose, don't fog up the glasses. What is very annoying about them, though, is they pull on your ears.
There are back of the neck straps you can buy that you can attach the KN-95 to in order to make the more comfortable and not irritate your ears.
But dosen't that just say the KN95s fit better around your nose? Really doesn't say they filter better or worse.
Here's a medical supply company with some pretty good ideas on checking quality.
https://firstforwardconsulting.com/how-to-tell-a-real-kn95-mask-from-a-fake/1 -
Was listening to Dr Sanjay Gupta on CNN. He said if vaccination numbers ramp up to a realistic level, he feels like 75% of Americans (probably the most who are willing to) could be vaxxed by the end if the summer or sooner. Also said J&J says they will deliver 100 mil doses "by June" but it's not clear when delivery would actually start, assuming of course it gets approved.8
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There was a grocery checker at a local store who wore a short shield, no mask. (Would guess it was made specifically to go with mask). I don’t know if she still works there, I haven’t been back for about 4 months.3
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