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  • ElioraFRElioraFR Member Posts: 61 Member Member Posts: 61 Member
    ElioraFR wrote: »
    Myself, I'm not going to complain if the gov starts a campaign to illiminate mosquitoes, rattlesnakes and bats.
    Humans need to be safe first. I believe nature will adapt and survive without those three killers.

    I would.

    ecological systems depend on creatures we might not like too - like bats, rattlesnakes, mosquitoes.

    Humans need to respect that.

    and how do you expect the government would be able to do this anyway??

    most every other man made interference with nature has ended badly - I dont think this one would end well either

    Well, some countries are:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/17/spain-to-cull-nearly-100000-mink-in-coronavirus-outbreak

    Both Spain and the Netherlands are killing minks.

    That is the arrogance of mankind. Even medicine is moving dramatically to a more complete view of the world in synergy. In medicine, they used to look at an individual's health/body in isolation, like in a vacuum. Not until they discovered that their are more organisms living inside of us than our own living cells (our microbiome), did they start to consider everything related to the microbiome and environment. Medicine is in a major paradigm shift right now. Microbiome R&D was a novel concept five years ago. Now there are 100s of jobs posted every single day, even in every large Pharma company, with new divisions cropping up every day, studying how the human body interacts with the bugs inside and outside of it. I feel they still need to do a lot more with the chemical exposure and human health.

    Guess what happens when you kill off all of those pesky freeloading bugs inside of us? You pretty much die. We are just beginning to understand all the damage done by the use of antibiotics in children.

    When man believes that everything revolves around man (which is, IMHO, an outdated religious opinion), we all die.

    Mr. Phiferman, I want you to know I eat yogurt and as many probiotic foods as possible every day. I still disagree that Coronaviruses, especially those found in bats of Asia and Africa are helpful in any way to the ongoing existance of the human species.
  • ElioraFRElioraFR Member Posts: 61 Member Member Posts: 61 Member
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  • ElioraFRElioraFR Member Posts: 61 Member Member Posts: 61 Member
    No, I wasn't even talking about pressuring Chinese or Vietnamese to change their cultural cuisines. I actually want to know if people are willing to do whatever it takes to stop further Pandemics by rooting out the causes ona biological level?
  • ElioraFRElioraFR Member Posts: 61 Member Member Posts: 61 Member
    ElioraFR wrote: »
    Yes, I did read that information. Did you know that there are rat farms in Vietnam? That the demands of the cuisine in China and elsewhere mean that there are bat and rat farms in asia? What do you think about the fact that there are many Sars type viruses that live in bats and they are wold in open markets in Asia every day?

    I'm not here to demand anything or condemn anyone, just would like to know if your philosophy for animal species extends to the extreme circumstances of asia and its effect on the coming possiblilty of mor Pandemic virus infection?

    I don't think any of us are saying we're for "wet markets" in China and the Chinese government covering up Covid-19 cases (by the way, you could argue that in the US, our government has done the same thing!). What we're saying is you can't wipe out an entire species for the transgressions of mankind. Put pressure on the Chinese government to stop wet markets? Yes, absolutely.

    With the way we treat chickens in the US, there could be an outbreak here, caused by our agricultural practices.

    Yes I had h1n1 and survived. I also survived the Hong Kong flu. All very nasty business, believe me you don't want even those relatively mild ones!
  • ElioraFRElioraFR Member Posts: 61 Member Member Posts: 61 Member
    Diatonic12 wrote: »
    Oooo, no. If you start taking out the bats where does it end. Humans have managed to wipe out many of the species at an alarming rate. Back in the day, they took out the wolf, the grizzly bear and black bear and buffalo/bison . It's been a slow process to bring them back.

    Find your balance. It's all about balance. Humans and wild critters. Everyone of them has a purpose and value. Blue whale, elephant, gorilla, rhino and bees. Panda, sea turtle....the list goes on forever.

    All of these beautiful animals are a great loss to our planet, undoubtedly.

    I would not miss rats, bats, mosquitoes or rattlesnakes, and possibly water moccasins myself. Nor would I miss Ebola or any of the Sars viruses.

    I like bobcats, lynx and wolves. But I feel sad when little goat kids and lambs get maimed by them. They cry so hard and it sounds almost human. I dn't like it when a chicken coop gets attacked by badgers either. So sad.
  • SuzySunshine99SuzySunshine99 Member Posts: 1,775 Member Member Posts: 1,775 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    It looks like Major League Baseball might be close to done. The Marlins are still down 18 or 19 players who tested positive and now the St Louis Cardinals have a big outbreak.

    So much of the talk to get sports back playing was that young healthy multi millionaires wouldn't be taking on that much risk. But several of these positive tests are "staff" so like coaches, locker room attendants. These people could be older, might not be in athletic shape, and most aren't making millions. And there is a 27 yr old Red Sox pitcher who is out for at least this season with heart inflammation post-covid , which they "assume" will clear up.

    Luckily neither the NBA or the NHL has had any positive cases of a person after they are in the bubble yet. The whole bubble thing might actually work for these one or two month tournaments. I doubt you could actually expect all those people to stay put through months of an entire season though.

    I think that all sports leagues are keeping a very close eye on MLB to see what happens when there's no "bubble".

    The NFL will be next up in this experiment.

    Both the NBA and NHL are talking about starting next season sometime in December...in their home arenas, probably no fans at least at the start.

    But all those plans could change if baseball shuts down.
  • T1DCarnivoreRunnerT1DCarnivoreRunner Member Posts: 10,912 Member Member Posts: 10,912 Member
    ElioraFR wrote: »
    Yes, I did read that information. Did you know that there are rat farms in Vietnam? That the demands of the cuisine in China and elsewhere mean that there are bat and rat farms in asia? What do you think about the fact that there are many Sars type viruses that live in bats and they are sold in open markets in Asia every day?

    I'm not here to demand anything or condemn anyone, just would like to know if your philosophy for animal species extends to the extreme circumstances of asia and its effect on the coming possiblilty of mor Pandemic virus infection?

    I admit that I have a small amount of both kangaroo and python meat that I am saving for a special occasion.
  • ReenieHJReenieHJ Member Posts: 2,246 Member Member Posts: 2,246 Member
    ElioraFR wrote: »
    Yes, I did read that information. Did you know that there are rat farms in Vietnam? That the demands of the cuisine in China and elsewhere mean that there are bat and rat farms in asia? What do you think about the fact that there are many Sars type viruses that live in bats and they are sold in open markets in Asia every day?

    I'm not here to demand anything or condemn anyone, just would like to know if your philosophy for animal species extends to the extreme circumstances of asia and its effect on the coming possiblilty of mor Pandemic virus infection?

    So, in the beginning of Covid-19 a lot of info came into the news about it originating from eating bats. Then many news articles pooh-poohed that idea. With all the unknowns about this virus I just assumed nobody really know how it all started or what truths to listen to. Are you telling me(maybe I missed it somewhere?) that it did indeed originate from wet markets?
    Doesn't every country have intelligent doctors telling people not to eat this or that? It's probably a very bad idea? They pull things from being sold when something is known to be uhhh....deadly?
    I know I'm very naive but sometimes I gotta wonder how/why the world works the way it does.
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