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Muscleflex79 wrote: »My head is in a loop re: vaccines. I’ve always been a vaccine believer and taken everything officials recommend. I recently found out I’m pregnant, and covid vaccines are not approved for pregnant women. This means I can’t get a covid vaccine in the next 8 months, and even after that I don’t know how postpartum and breastfeeding are handled.
This is the first time ever I have had to rely on others getting vaccinated and forming herd immunity around me, and I don’t like this feeling. This is also the first time I’ve been worried about myself getting sick, so far all the worry has been related to me getting it, spreading it and causing harm to others.
I think it is criminal that pregnant health care workers in Canada are not being offered the vaccine. Are you not allowed to get it, or you have chosen not to?
It infuriates me that women are being exposed to a known risk, on order to shield a fetus from a potential risk. I expect that many (maybe most) low risk women would choose not to vaccinate, but I really think is their choice alone, because, bodily autonomy and all that.
I'm far from an antivaxer, but a woman would have to be crazy to volunteer to have the vaccine when it has never been tested on pregnant women/the effects on babies.
would you jump up and volunteer to be the first test case and then wait and see what happens when the baby comes out???
No personally I would not.
Me neither. And ashamed to say I wouldn't have been one of the brave vaccine testers from the beginning of this whole thing. But that would've been a much easier decision than if I was carrying a baby.
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I’m 100% advocate that women’s reproductive rights are theirs alone. However, clearly, women currently of reproductive age, were not around in the 50’s and 60’s (when my mother was pregnant with my sisters and I) when pregnant women were given thalidomide for morning sickness, some resulting in birth defects for their babies. I have one child. 36 years old. Even that long ago gynecologist were encouraging refraining from using things that may affect the fetus development. ie: smoking, alcohol consumption, illegal drug use, etc. If it were me, I would refrain from receiving simply because of the unknowns. Not worth risking, especially since you’ve been successful for the past year, as have so many of us.15
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missysippy930 wrote: »I’m 100% advocate that women’s reproductive rights are theirs alone. However, clearly, women currently of reproductive age, were not around in the 50’s and 60’s (when my mother was pregnant with my sisters and I) when pregnant women were given thalidomide for morning sickness, some resulting in birth defects for their babies. I have one child. 36 years old. Even that long ago gynecologist were encouraging refraining from using things that may affect the fetus development. ie: smoking, alcohol consumption, illegal drug use, etc. If it were me, I would refrain from receiving simply because of the unknowns. Not worth risking, especially since you’ve been successful for the past year, as have so many of us.
I think there is quite a space between counselling women on harms to the fetus, and denying them access to healthcare.
Pregnant woman have a significantly higher risk of severe outcomes, including death, than non pregnant women. Imagine denying a doctor or nurse or other front line worker the vaccine and then they die from covid.
At any rate my jurisdiction has recently reversed its position of blocking the vaccine for pregnant women, and I suspect others will do the same if they haven't already.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6944e3.htm?s_cid=mm6944e3_w
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-covid-vaccine-change-for-pregnant-and-breastfeeding-1.58659182 -
missysippy930 wrote: »I’m 100% advocate that women’s reproductive rights are theirs alone. However, clearly, women currently of reproductive age, were not around in the 50’s and 60’s (when my mother was pregnant with my sisters and I) when pregnant women were given thalidomide for morning sickness, some resulting in birth defects for their babies. I have one child. 36 years old. Even that long ago gynecologist were encouraging refraining from using things that may affect the fetus development. ie: smoking, alcohol consumption, illegal drug use, etc. If it were me, I would refrain from receiving simply because of the unknowns. Not worth risking, especially since you’ve been successful for the past year, as have so many of us.
I think there is quite a space between counselling women on harms to the fetus, and denying them access to healthcare.
Pregnant woman have a significantly higher risk of severe outcomes, including death, than non pregnant women. Imagine denying a doctor or nurse or other front line worker the vaccine and then they die from covid.
At any rate my jurisdiction has recently reversed its position of blocking the vaccine for pregnant women, and I suspect others will do the same if they haven't already.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6944e3.htm?s_cid=mm6944e3_w
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-covid-vaccine-change-for-pregnant-and-breastfeeding-1.5865918
Once the data is in and evaluated that's what will happen, but then pregnant women will be a bit more at ease getting the vaccine. I'm sure you'd want that.6 -
I never intimated denying access to health care. There’s no long term studies regarding the vaccine for anyone. It’s only been available for a little over two months, and less than a year in development. I wouldn’t take it if we’re me. It would seem to me if you trust the development, you would trust the advice that pregnant women shouldn’t have the vaccine. Why do you think that’s the recommendation?6
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GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.mediaite.com/news/johns-hopkins-doctor-predicts-covid-will-be-mostly-gone-by-april/
Sounds like high rates of Covid-19 may be finally winding down the pandemic.
Rates are coming down, but they're still higher than any other point in the pandemic. I personally don't see it being mostly gone by April. Just the opposite...I think we're going to continue to see these roller coaster spikes as people become complacent with falling numbers and states open up more and more.
In NM, we had this thing pretty well stomped out in early Sept at 70 some odd cases per day...two months later that went to 3K per day because people got complacent.16 -
I couldn't find any information on this question but I'm curious, maybe someone here knows. Concerning receiving the Moderna vaccine, are recipients under age 55 known to have a tougher time with side effects than other age categories?
My co-workers and I had our second dose on Friday. My arm was more sore than the first time, but other than that, I was fine. A few of my colleagues reported feeling cold-symptoms the day after. Took some Tylenol and felt much better later. I have a handful of people I know who’ve run fevers and felt bad for the first 24-36 hours.
All of us are under 55 except for one 61 year old.
No matter what the side effects from the immune response were, still better than getting COVID in my book!
Just to add, my sister and her husband had their 2nd Moderna dose a few days ago. They both had more soreness in their arms than last time along with new symptoms of low grade fever and needing to nap away the afternoon. Other than that, they said it wasn't bad at all. Kinda like you're starting to come down with something but then it goes away the next day. 👍7 -
snowflake954 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »My head is in a loop re: vaccines. I’ve always been a vaccine believer and taken everything officials recommend. I recently found out I’m pregnant, and covid vaccines are not approved for pregnant women. This means I can’t get a covid vaccine in the next 8 months, and even after that I don’t know how postpartum and breastfeeding are handled.
This is the first time ever I have had to rely on others getting vaccinated and forming herd immunity around me, and I don’t like this feeling. This is also the first time I’ve been worried about myself getting sick, so far all the worry has been related to me getting it, spreading it and causing harm to others.
I think it is criminal that pregnant health care workers in Canada are not being offered the vaccine. Are you not allowed to get it, or you have chosen not to?
It infuriates me that women are being exposed to a known risk, on order to shield a fetus from a potential risk. I expect that many (maybe most) low risk women would choose not to vaccinate, but I really think is their choice alone, because, bodily autonomy and all that.
If the effects on a pregnant woman and her baby are not yet known--that would be a high liability for the makers of the vaccine, and let's not even think about consequences to the mother and child. Pregnant women cannot use most drugs because of effects. So, how is this "criminal"? Or do you have some studies showing safety?
Because I believe that a fully autonomous woman's right to life, health and wellbeing always takes precedence over that of any fetus she is carrying, and I oppose any policy or regulation that infringes on that in any way, shape or form.
I don't believe that any woman should be required to take an action that would risk her life or health in order to protect a fetus she is carrying, and I don't believe that any woman should be required to refuse a treatment that would protect her life or health in order to protect the life or health of a fetus she is carrying.
The Society of Obstetricians and Gynecologist of Canada holds this same view. I am not aware of any studies that show safety, however there are obviously not any studies that show long term safety to anyone with this vaccine, given the emergency nature of the approvals.
(It is possible that Canada has updated it's procedure on this by now - I haven't looked into it lately.)
"Consensus Statement: Women who are pregnant or breastfeeding should be offered vaccination at anytime if
they are eligible and no contraindications exist.
This decision is based on the women’s personal values and an understanding that the risk of infection and/or
morbidity from COVID-19 outweighs the theorized and undescribed risk of being vaccinated during pregnancy or
while breastfeeding. Women should not be precluded from vaccination based on pregnancy status or
breastfeeding."
https://sogc.org/common/Uploaded files/Latest News/SOGC_Statement_COVID-19_Vaccination_in_Pregnancy.pdf
I don't really care about beliefs here. I'm saying that there is liability until proven safe.
OK - I'm not really overly concerned with the vaccine companies liability issues at this point. I am more concerned that women might die unnecessarily by being refused a vaccine that should be made available to them.
Until it's been tested, there's no way to know for certain that the vaccine wouldn't be a danger to the pregnant woman herself. There are pregnancy complications that threaten the life of the the mother.7 -
OK, I see my personal pregnancy & vaccines worry through some others for a loop too.
I’m not a healthcare worker, don’t have risk factors and I’m fairly young (29). So, I wouldn’t qualify for a vaccine probably in several months anyway. I have no idea whether I would be given the choice once it’s my age group’s turn but I’m assuming no, unless the world gets more research in the meantime.
I obviously can’t speak universally, but: here in Finland, if a woman’s job puts her pregnancy in danger, her employer is required by law to find her safe tasks for the duration of her pregnancy. If that’s not possible, they start their paid maternity leave the second their job is no longer safe for them. I don’t think covid counts, though (dangerous for everyone, the law is more about chemicals, fall hazards etc.). Also, if there’s a medical emergency, saving the mother is always the first priority. Baby comes second.
I just checked the Finnish health official’s website, and they say vaccinating pregnant women can be considered IF they have a risk factor or have an increased infection risk due to the nature of their job.
I also agree with those who noted that several drugs are banned from pregnant women anyway, and that there are several pregnancy complications that threaten the mother, not just the fetus. Then there’s the question of what losing a baby to (self-imposed) complications would do to one’s physical and mental health.15 -
Last week on TWIV they interviewed Dr. Paul Offit, he is a pediatrician who specializes in infectious disease and vaccinations. Some interesting tidbits:
- He said that most vaccines currently in use are NOT sterilizing. They still have led to herd immunity. (Because the infection is now minor and the person develops no symptoms, so they shed very few, and rather weak, virus particles.) So even if the mRNA vaccines are not sterilizing, that doesn't make them unique.
- He said how long vaxxed immunity will last is still an open question, he thinks it could last longer than a year (but we'll have to wait and see).
- He said that while the trials seem to show a reduced efficacy against the South African and Brazilian variants, there are still no known cases anywhere in the world of a fully vaxxed person (at least two weeks after the second shot) getting severe disease or dying. And there is not the data yet to say in real world conditions that fully vaxxed people are getting sick from the variants anyway either. (So wait and see on that too)
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missysippy930 wrote: »I never intimated denying access to health care. There’s no long term studies regarding the vaccine for anyone. It’s only been available for a little over two months, and less than a year in development. I wouldn’t take it if we’re me. It would seem to me if you trust the development, you would trust the advice that pregnant women shouldn’t have the vaccine. Why do you think that’s the recommendation?missysippy930 wrote: »I never intimated denying access to health care. There’s no long term studies regarding the vaccine for anyone. It’s only been available for a little over two months, and less than a year in development. I wouldn’t take it if we’re me. It would seem to me if you trust the development, you would trust the advice that pregnant women shouldn’t have the vaccine. Why do you think that’s the recommendation?
The advice that pregnant women shouldn't have the vaccine is based solely on the fact that they weren't included in the studies - not that they anticipate that the vaccine would do any more harm to them than anyone else. Based on what we know about vaccines during pregnancy there is no reason to believe that this one will cause any adverse affects for them. But we know that covid DOES cause adverse affects, and that pregnant women are more likely to have serious outcomes.
My personal feelings on the vaccine are irrelevant, and whether I would take it is irrelevant (my kids are in their 20's and 30's so it's not like it affects me directly.)
There have been women here in Canada, doctors and nurses, who have weighed the risks and benefits for themselves, decided they wanted to get the vaccine, but have been refused because they were pregnant. I think that is wrong. They are being denied health care that they want to access and are entitled to.
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The advice that pregnant women shouldn't have the vaccine is based solely on the fact that they weren't included in the studies - not that they anticipate that the vaccine would do any more harm to them than anyone else. Based on what we know about vaccines during pregnancy there is no reason to believe that this one will cause any adverse affects for them. But we know that covid DOES cause adverse affects, and that pregnant women are more likely to have serious outcomes.
That’s the thing though - I don’t think anyone ever anticipates any drug they develop harms pregnant women, or people in general. And yet, drugs are tested and put through vigorous trials before distribution to make sure they’re safe, and there are several drugs that aren’t suitable for pregnant women. There was a medicine that was given to pregnant women with morning sickness, and turns out it caused serious damage on the babies. I’m sincerely hoping nobody anticipated that and just decided to give it to them anyway.
Even lobotomies were once considered safe medical treatments.12 -
The advice that pregnant women shouldn't have the vaccine is based solely on the fact that they weren't included in the studies - not that they anticipate that the vaccine would do any more harm to them than anyone else. Based on what we know about vaccines during pregnancy there is no reason to believe that this one will cause any adverse affects for them. But we know that covid DOES cause adverse affects, and that pregnant women are more likely to have serious outcomes.
That’s the thing though - I don’t think anyone ever anticipates any drug they develop harms pregnant women, or people in general. And yet, drugs are tested and put through vigorous trials before distribution to make sure they’re safe, and there are several drugs that aren’t suitable for pregnant women. There was a medicine that was given to pregnant women with morning sickness, and turns out it caused serious damage on the babies. I’m sincerely hoping nobody anticipated that and just decided to give it to them anyway.
Even lobotomies were once considered safe medical treatments.
Yes that was back in the 50's and 60's. I think that our knowledge of microbiology and immunology has evolved enough since then to be a little more confident in the biological processes that are triggered by vaccines in general, and this one in particular. I believe that the approval for thalidimide was based solely on animal testing. MRNA vaccines have been in development for many years. If they aren't safe then I think we will eventually find out they are not safe for any of us, not just for pregnant women, and then we will all be in trouble.
I'm not saying that anyone who doesn't want the vaccine should get it, and I'm not trying to talk anyone into getting it. But if someone is working in a high risk environment I don't think that they should be denied based on some hypothetical complication.
I don't really have anything else to say about it that I haven't already said, so I won't be responding further.
Good luck with your pregnancy, I hope my comments haven't caused you stress.
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Perhaps the recommendation comes from the fact that OB/GYN’s are the highest sued doctors in the US. Protecting their interests. The fact is, no one truly knows long term affects of either covid or the vaccine. Time will tell. These are personal decisions. I’m fortunate that I don’t have to make the decision. For those of us that are in an at risk group and have had neither covid nor the vaccine, many of us will continue to do what has worked for us this past year:
Face coverings
Social distancing
Good hand washing techniques.
This is a solemn day in the US, 500,000 lost to COVID-19.9 -
snowflake954 wrote: »My head is in a loop re: vaccines. I’ve always been a vaccine believer and taken everything officials recommend. I recently found out I’m pregnant, and covid vaccines are not approved for pregnant women. This means I can’t get a covid vaccine in the next 8 months, and even after that I don’t know how postpartum and breastfeeding are handled.
This is the first time ever I have had to rely on others getting vaccinated and forming herd immunity around me, and I don’t like this feeling. This is also the first time I’ve been worried about myself getting sick, so far all the worry has been related to me getting it, spreading it and causing harm to others.
I think it is criminal that pregnant health care workers in Canada are not being offered the vaccine. Are you not allowed to get it, or you have chosen not to?
It infuriates me that women are being exposed to a known risk, on order to shield a fetus from a potential risk. I expect that many (maybe most) low risk women would choose not to vaccinate, but I really think is their choice alone, because, bodily autonomy and all that.
If the effects on a pregnant woman and her baby are not yet known--that would be a high liability for the makers of the vaccine, and let's not even think about consequences to the mother and child. Pregnant women cannot use most drugs because of effects. So, how is this "criminal"? Or do you have some studies showing safety?
They have offered it here in the US, at least in California. Some pregnant frontline healthcare workers have declined, some have accepted. I think it’s a very individual decision based on her health, the baby’s health indicators (thus far), and the woman’s doctor.7 -
There have been cases of babies born to mom’s with COVID whom months later the doctors fear will turn into lifelong long-haulers.
But there are examples of everything with this virus. And examples of the opposite. It’s just so early to draw conclusions.
I would hate to see the vaccine not be offered to someone because they’re pregnant. Let people make the decision themselves (with their doctor). Without conclusive evidence We won’t have this early, I would not want that choice made for me.4 -
I have to say that I am very frustrated at the lack of availability of vaccines. It seems like some states have plenty of doses available while others have scarce supply. Dr. Fauci had said everyone could be able to get it by sping, but some areas are still in phase 1 and I don't see how spring could even be possible. Everything I can see leads me to believe I won't get a vaccine until mid-2022.11
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https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-02-22/transplant-patient-dies-after-receiving-lungs-infected-with-covid-19
We have much to learn living in a Covid-19 world.1 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I have to say that I am very frustrated at the lack of availability of vaccines. It seems like some states have plenty of doses available while others have scarce supply. Dr. Fauci had said everyone could be able to get it by sping, but some areas are still in phase 1 and I don't see how spring could even be possible. Everything I can see leads me to believe I won't get a vaccine until mid-2022.
I think he said there will be enough vaccine for everyone by then. Getting it into everyone's arms is a different story.
It's definitely going too slow. Once the states that are doing better finish up, hopefully their resources (and fed resources) will be diverted to areas lagging behind and there will be a snowball effect. Hopefully.7 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I have to say that I am very frustrated at the lack of availability of vaccines. It seems like some states have plenty of doses available while others have scarce supply. Dr. Fauci had said everyone could be able to get it by sping, but some areas are still in phase 1 and I don't see how spring could even be possible. Everything I can see leads me to believe I won't get a vaccine until mid-2022.
I think he said there will be enough vaccine for everyone by then. Getting it into everyone's arms is a different story.
It's definitely going too slow. Once the states that are doing better finish up, hopefully their resources (and fed resources) will be diverted to areas lagging behind and there will be a snowball effect. Hopefully.
To be honest it's much more cost effective to train additional resources to administer the shots in under served areas than to pay travel, food and lodging for moving resources to an area.3 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I have to say that I am very frustrated at the lack of availability of vaccines. It seems like some states have plenty of doses available while others have scarce supply. Dr. Fauci had said everyone could be able to get it by sping, but some areas are still in phase 1 and I don't see how spring could even be possible. Everything I can see leads me to believe I won't get a vaccine until mid-2022.
I think he said there will be enough vaccine for everyone by then. Getting it into everyone's arms is a different story.
It's definitely going too slow. Once the states that are doing better finish up, hopefully their resources (and fed resources) will be diverted to areas lagging behind and there will be a snowball effect. Hopefully.
To be honest it's much more cost effective to train additional resources to administer the shots in under served areas than to pay travel, food and lodging for moving resources to an area.
I would suggest that states should deploy their national guards to help administrator vaccines. However, this is not the problem here. Each day, counties in my state report their status. My county goes from "limited vaccine available" to "no vaccine available" fairly quickly... then stays that way until the next shipment. For example, they got more vaccines delivered over this past weekend. That shipment was delayed a couple days, probably because of the unprecedented amount of ice and snow.5 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I have to say that I am very frustrated at the lack of availability of vaccines. It seems like some states have plenty of doses available while others have scarce supply. Dr. Fauci had said everyone could be able to get it by sping, but some areas are still in phase 1 and I don't see how spring could even be possible. Everything I can see leads me to believe I won't get a vaccine until mid-2022.
I think he said there will be enough vaccine for everyone by then. Getting it into everyone's arms is a different story.
It's definitely going too slow. Once the states that are doing better finish up, hopefully their resources (and fed resources) will be diverted to areas lagging behind and there will be a snowball effect. Hopefully.
To be honest it's much more cost effective to train additional resources to administer the shots in under served areas than to pay travel, food and lodging for moving resources to an area.
I would suggest that states should deploy their national guards to help administrator vaccines. However, this is not the problem here. Each day, counties in my state report their status. My county goes from "limited vaccine available" to "no vaccine available" fairly quickly... then stays that way until the next shipment. For example, they got more vaccines delivered over this past weekend. That shipment was delayed a couple days, probably because of the unprecedented amount of ice and snow.
We have the same problem in Virginia. They could be vaxxing thousands more per week if they had the doses. Supposedly the new deals the new administration reached has manufacturing ramping up significantly, so I'd like to think that will show up in supply soon, along with getting past snowstorm season. And I think that once the parts of VA that are better organized get ahead they can spare doses and staff to neighboring rural areas that are lagging behind, but that's going to be different from state to state too. We shall see. The fact that there will be areas of the country lagging far behind, keeping cases high and leaving open the possibility of further mutations, is obviously worrisome. It's so frustrating.7 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I have to say that I am very frustrated at the lack of availability of vaccines. It seems like some states have plenty of doses available while others have scarce supply. Dr. Fauci had said everyone could be able to get it by sping, but some areas are still in phase 1 and I don't see how spring could even be possible. Everything I can see leads me to believe I won't get a vaccine until mid-2022.
I think he said there will be enough vaccine for everyone by then. Getting it into everyone's arms is a different story.
It's definitely going too slow. Once the states that are doing better finish up, hopefully their resources (and fed resources) will be diverted to areas lagging behind and there will be a snowball effect. Hopefully.
To be honest it's much more cost effective to train additional resources to administer the shots in under served areas than to pay travel, food and lodging for moving resources to an area.
I would suggest that states should deploy their national guards to help administrator vaccines. However, this is not the problem here. Each day, counties in my state report their status. My county goes from "limited vaccine available" to "no vaccine available" fairly quickly... then stays that way until the next shipment. For example, they got more vaccines delivered over this past weekend. That shipment was delayed a couple days, probably because of the unprecedented amount of ice and snow.
We have the same problem in Virginia. They could be vaxxing thousands more per week if they had the doses. Supposedly the new deals the new administration reached has manufacturing ramping up significantly, so I'd like to think that will show up in supply soon, along with getting past snowstorm season. And I think that once the parts of VA that are better organized get ahead they can spare doses and staff to neighboring rural areas that are lagging behind, but that's going to be different from state to state too. We shall see. The fact that there will be areas of the country lagging far behind, keeping cases high and leaving open the possibility of further mutations, is obviously worrisome. It's so frustrating.
Agreed. I'm in TN, but have a lot of friends in IA and other states. Here, almost nobody is getting vaccinated. From what I hear from friends in IA, all but a few there have had the chance already.3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I have to say that I am very frustrated at the lack of availability of vaccines. It seems like some states have plenty of doses available while others have scarce supply. Dr. Fauci had said everyone could be able to get it by sping, but some areas are still in phase 1 and I don't see how spring could even be possible. Everything I can see leads me to believe I won't get a vaccine until mid-2022.
I think he said there will be enough vaccine for everyone by then. Getting it into everyone's arms is a different story.
It's definitely going too slow. Once the states that are doing better finish up, hopefully their resources (and fed resources) will be diverted to areas lagging behind and there will be a snowball effect. Hopefully.
To be honest it's much more cost effective to train additional resources to administer the shots in under served areas than to pay travel, food and lodging for moving resources to an area.
I would suggest that states should deploy their national guards to help administrator vaccines. However, this is not the problem here. Each day, counties in my state report their status. My county goes from "limited vaccine available" to "no vaccine available" fairly quickly... then stays that way until the next shipment. For example, they got more vaccines delivered over this past weekend. That shipment was delayed a couple days, probably because of the unprecedented amount of ice and snow.
We have the same problem in Virginia. They could be vaxxing thousands more per week if they had the doses. Supposedly the new deals the new administration reached has manufacturing ramping up significantly, so I'd like to think that will show up in supply soon, along with getting past snowstorm season. And I think that once the parts of VA that are better organized get ahead they can spare doses and staff to neighboring rural areas that are lagging behind, but that's going to be different from state to state too. We shall see. The fact that there will be areas of the country lagging far behind, keeping cases high and leaving open the possibility of further mutations, is obviously worrisome. It's so frustrating.
Agreed. I'm in TN, but have a lot of friends in IA and other states. Here, almost nobody is getting vaccinated. From what I hear from friends in IA, all but a few there have had the chance already.
I'm from Iowa and no, we are severely lagging behind. My county has 100,000 people and only about 3 % of the population has been vaccinated. They get about 3,000 doses every other week and they spoken for in minutes. It will be a month or two to get most of the over 65 done. I don't think I will be able to get it unril late this summer at the rate they are going.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-02-22/transplant-patient-dies-after-receiving-lungs-infected-with-covid-19
We have much to learn living in a Covid-19 world.
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musicfan68 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I have to say that I am very frustrated at the lack of availability of vaccines. It seems like some states have plenty of doses available while others have scarce supply. Dr. Fauci had said everyone could be able to get it by sping, but some areas are still in phase 1 and I don't see how spring could even be possible. Everything I can see leads me to believe I won't get a vaccine until mid-2022.
I think he said there will be enough vaccine for everyone by then. Getting it into everyone's arms is a different story.
It's definitely going too slow. Once the states that are doing better finish up, hopefully their resources (and fed resources) will be diverted to areas lagging behind and there will be a snowball effect. Hopefully.
To be honest it's much more cost effective to train additional resources to administer the shots in under served areas than to pay travel, food and lodging for moving resources to an area.
I would suggest that states should deploy their national guards to help administrator vaccines. However, this is not the problem here. Each day, counties in my state report their status. My county goes from "limited vaccine available" to "no vaccine available" fairly quickly... then stays that way until the next shipment. For example, they got more vaccines delivered over this past weekend. That shipment was delayed a couple days, probably because of the unprecedented amount of ice and snow.
We have the same problem in Virginia. They could be vaxxing thousands more per week if they had the doses. Supposedly the new deals the new administration reached has manufacturing ramping up significantly, so I'd like to think that will show up in supply soon, along with getting past snowstorm season. And I think that once the parts of VA that are better organized get ahead they can spare doses and staff to neighboring rural areas that are lagging behind, but that's going to be different from state to state too. We shall see. The fact that there will be areas of the country lagging far behind, keeping cases high and leaving open the possibility of further mutations, is obviously worrisome. It's so frustrating.
Agreed. I'm in TN, but have a lot of friends in IA and other states. Here, almost nobody is getting vaccinated. From what I hear from friends in IA, all but a few there have had the chance already.
I'm from Iowa and no, we are severely lagging behind. My county has 100,000 people and only about 3 % of the population has been vaccinated. They get about 3,000 doses every other week and they spoken for in minutes. It will be a month or two to get most of the over 65 done. I don't think I will be able to get it unril late this summer at the rate they are going.
From what I heard in Iowa, if you are willing to drive and are at least 65 years old, you can get one through Hy-Vee. Just have to find a store with vaccines available, so might take a lot of calling.
Edit: He says go to the Hy-Vee Pharmacy website to find a location.
ETA again: Website says do not call, but use site instead: https://www.hy-vee.com/my-pharmacy/covid-vaccine2 -
Although there may be local issues with the roll out, the US is leading the world with our COVID vaccine response. Be optimistic for the rest of the year.
https://www.axios.com/vaccine-distribution-by-country-us-rollout-doses-9c47fa53-6a2e-4c56-8792-dd31bee34b10.html3 -
I'm curious about the areas where vaccination is or appears slow...I feel like things in NM could be better...much better, and I'm not sure about county by county numbers, but as of today roughly 20% of our population has received at least one dose and about 10% have been fully vaccinated. I'm just wondering what is slowing things down elsewhere...generally speaking, NM is pretty much last in everything and pretty inept. Is this a lack of supply? Not enough vaccination centers? States not distributing vaccines properly to certain areas? I'm just curious. I keep hearing that NM is one or two in the nation in regards to getting vaccines in arms, and I can't quite figure that out...we don't do anything right around here.
On average, we're vaccinating roughly 40-50K people per week...which doesn't sound like much to me, but apparently we're doing ok I guess...total population of the state is around 2M.6 -
This NY Times article has good data comparing the US States
See How the Vaccine Rollout Is Going in Your State
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Minnesota lagging behind also. Not enough vaccine to go around for those that want the vaccine. Hasn’t been enough since the very first day it was available.3
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