Coronavirus prep

paperpudding wrote: »

ndj1979 wrote: »

Fuzzipeg wrote: »

Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.

IMO it’s scary how quick people are to surrender their freedoms and how quickly governments are ready to take them..

I live in South Australia- the only active covid cases here now are overseas returnees in supervised quarantine hotels

Because the government took away our freedoms and the freedoms of people entering the country and people surrendered their freedoms ( aka complied with regulations) we are now living safe from the disease and life almost back to normal bar travelling

Scary how people see that as a bad thing.

I’m pretty sure many people see it as a role model country. A year later, the USA, leadership consequences are apparent. Nearly 500,000 lost.

Australian leadership 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

mockchoc wrote: »

GaleHawkins wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9262397/How-California-Florida-took-different-approaches-ended-result.html

Pro/Con lock down results surprised me.

My guess is that despite California having stricter rules regarding lockdown that plenty of people still weren't compliant unlike In Australia and New Zealand where almost every person is. Americans tend to not like having their Freedoms take from them where as we tend to mostly be fine with it.

Americans do appreciate our freedom and the sacrifices made by those who came before us (and currently serving), including the ultimate sacrifice, to protect freedom. Without their sacrifices most of the world (probably including Australia) would be a very different place today.

That said, IMO, too much biased news reporting on both sides is causing some US citizens to ignore science, sometimes in the name of freedom.

ReenieHJ wrote: »

I couldn't find any information on this question but I'm curious, maybe someone here knows. Concerning receiving the Moderna vaccine, are recipients under age 55 known to have a tougher time with side effects than other age categories?

I have no idea in general, but I literally just got off the phone with my 29 year old daughter. She got her second moderna shot yesterday. She is wiped out. She has had a fever of 102 all night. Body hurts too much to sleep and even laying down at all is painful. She says that her whole body feels arthritic. She threw up at 2 am. Her one other comment though is that she wonders if this is how she feels from the vaccine, then how might she have felt contracting the actual COVID virus. She is trying to power through and avoid pain and fever reduces as many have claimed that you want the immune response to help build your immune response.

SuzySunshine99 wrote: »

SModa61 wrote: »

ReenieHJ wrote: »

I couldn't find any information on this question but I'm curious, maybe someone here knows. Concerning receiving the Moderna vaccine, are recipients under age 55 known to have a tougher time with side effects than other age categories?

I have no idea in general, but I literally just got off the phone with my 29 year old daughter. She got her second moderna shot yesterday. She is wiped out. She has had a fever of 102 all night. Body hurts too much to sleep and even laying down at all is painful. She says that her whole body feels arthritic. She threw up at 2 am. Her one other comment though is that she wonders if this is how she feels from the vaccine, then how might she have felt contracting the actual COVID virus. She is trying to power through and avoid pain and fever reduces as many have claimed that you want the immune response to help build your immune response.

I am really hoping that stories like these don't discourage people from getting the vaccine. Like your daughter said, 24 hours of feeling like crap pales in comparison to what someone might go through with a bad case of COVID. Or the misery someone would feel if they passed the virus on to a vulnerable person, for whom it could be fatal.

Me too. I'm scheduled for my 2nd Moderna this afternoon and it's taking everything for me to keep this appt. I'm such a chicken thinking about all that can go wrong and how dreadful I'll feel. I need to just power through and know it's the right thing to do; I'll get over it.
On the other side of the coin, having had Covid in November, luckily a very mild case, and just a sore arm with the 1st vaccine, I'm hoping this goes smoothly as well. Hope that's not me being naive.

mockchoc wrote: »

GaleHawkins wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9262397/How-California-Florida-took-different-approaches-ended-result.html

Pro/Con lock down results surprised me.

My guess is that despite California having stricter rules regarding lockdown that plenty of people still weren't compliant unlike In Australia and New Zealand where almost every person is. Americans tend to not like having their Freedoms take from them where as we tend to mostly be fine with it.

I think that is part of it, but also being an island and very low populations probably helps as well. My city's metropolitan population alone is more than all of New Zealand. Also we have a massive land border with the US where good cross back and forth daily. We have a "lock down" here now - but 90+% of people entering are "exempt" because they are essential workers, truck drivers etc. So it's really not much a lock down anyway. If Australia closes the airport no one can get in or out. In Canada if a Canadian show up at a land crossing they can't legally refuse them entry.

ReenieHJ wrote: »

I couldn't find any information on this question but I'm curious, maybe someone here knows. Concerning receiving the Moderna vaccine, are recipients under age 55 known to have a tougher time with side effects than other age categories?

From what I have read it is more common of recipients under 55 to have a more robust response to vaccines. Vaccines have a substance called an "adjuvant" that is designed to alert the body that there is an invader to provoke a response. As older people have less energetic immune systems, their response is less pronounced. It just doesn't pounce as hard. The Covid vax acts the same. So I imagine that if that is the case for Modern, they used a more provocatory adjuvant. My Dad is 76, and he got severe aches and chills the night after the vaccine. And soreness at the injection site and that was all. He'll get his second tomorrow. So we shall see how he weathers that.

So the 2nd dose tends to overall provoke more severe reactions than the first across both, but according to this source, Moderna's overall side effects are worse than Pfizer's. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-why-your-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-will-likely-have-stronger-side-effects#Millions-of-doses,-few-problems

EDIT: Being the shameless nerd that I am, I couldn't let this go. According one study, neither use a separate adjuvant, but "BioNTech/Pfizer and Moderna do not explicitly state the use of an adjuvant within their vaccines, but RNA already contains immunostimulatory properties and signals through pathogen recognition receptors.72 It remains to be seen whether the immunostimulation from RNA is strong enough to confer full protection against SARS-CoV-2. There is also a possibility that the LNP carriers they utilize confer adjuvant properties themselves." Super neat. So if this is true, than the lipsomes and mRNA formulations in the Moderna are more naturally rowdy than the ones Pfizer uses.
(This source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7553041/)