Coronavirus prep
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Four people in Oregon who are at least two weeks past their second vaccination are positive for COVID.rheddmobile wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
Here in Massachusetts our vax rollout has been horrendous. Wednesday, Gov. Charlie Baker announced that people accompanying those over 75 to mass vaccination sites could also sign up for a shot, which prompted posts on Craigslist soliciting seniors, outrage by teachers (who are not in a priority group) and others waiting patiently for shots, and this bit on The Daily Show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-xnNdB68w&t=122s
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/02/11/massachusetts-vaccine-eligibility-companions-craigslist
I guess if the alternative is that an elderly person can't get there on their own so doesn't get a shot - it makes sense? At this point in our supposed "rollout" I really don't care who they give the odd extra shot to as long as someone is getting it.
I agree. I feel like there's not enough public recognition of the fact that each person vaccinated is one less (or 0.7 less or whatever the effective rate of that dose) potential transmission vector and one less (0.7 less) opportunity for a mutation to create a virus variant that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. Especially if I haven't gotten vaccinated yet.
I don’t have any evidence to substantiate this, but I feel like the vaccine probably is cutting transmission by a lot. Locally our rates have dropped sharply since January, starting at a time when they would have been expected to still be climbing from the holiday surge. I believe the change is because healthcare professionals were vaccinated. Since local tracing found that the largest single traceable source of infections was healthcare (with 65% being no known origin) it makes sense that stopping doctors, nurses, and healthcare workers from spreading it would show results quickly.
COVID will be endemic. We’ll likely need annual/semi-annual boosters. It’ll be like the flu vaccine, I think. Fewer people will get sick, and those who do will be less likely to be hospitalized or die.
At our campus town hall last week, one of the doctors from the medical center said once you’re vaccinated you can only spread COVID if you’re infected yourself, but another doctor on the local news said fully vaccinated people could still spread it regardless. 🤷🏻♀️ Only time will tell.6 -
Four people in Oregon who are at least two weeks past their second vaccination are positive for COVID.rheddmobile wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
Here in Massachusetts our vax rollout has been horrendous. Wednesday, Gov. Charlie Baker announced that people accompanying those over 75 to mass vaccination sites could also sign up for a shot, which prompted posts on Craigslist soliciting seniors, outrage by teachers (who are not in a priority group) and others waiting patiently for shots, and this bit on The Daily Show:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-xnNdB68w&t=122s
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/02/11/massachusetts-vaccine-eligibility-companions-craigslist
I guess if the alternative is that an elderly person can't get there on their own so doesn't get a shot - it makes sense? At this point in our supposed "rollout" I really don't care who they give the odd extra shot to as long as someone is getting it.
I agree. I feel like there's not enough public recognition of the fact that each person vaccinated is one less (or 0.7 less or whatever the effective rate of that dose) potential transmission vector and one less (0.7 less) opportunity for a mutation to create a virus variant that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. Especially if I haven't gotten vaccinated yet.
I don’t have any evidence to substantiate this, but I feel like the vaccine probably is cutting transmission by a lot. Locally our rates have dropped sharply since January, starting at a time when they would have been expected to still be climbing from the holiday surge. I believe the change is because healthcare professionals were vaccinated. Since local tracing found that the largest single traceable source of infections was healthcare (with 65% being no known origin) it makes sense that stopping doctors, nurses, and healthcare workers from spreading it would show results quickly.
COVID will be endemic. We’ll likely need annual/semi-annual boosters. It’ll be like the flu vaccine, I think. Fewer people will get sick, and those who do will be less likely to be hospitalized or die.
At our campus town hall last week, one of the doctors from the medical center said once you’re vaccinated you can only spread COVID if you’re infected yourself, but another doctor on the local news said fully vaccinated people could still spread it regardless. 🤷🏻♀️ Only time will tell.
Did they explain how it could be spread by someone who isn't infected?1 -
Protective vs. sterilizing. Not enough evidence to know what level of protection vaccines offer. I’m really hoping they are sterilizing. Time will tell.5
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Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
IMO it’s scary how quick people are to surrender their freedoms and how quickly governments are ready to take them..
Oh yes, because we can see how travelling versus staying home, refusing to wear the *gasp* mask versus being compliant, working in large manufacturers versus being able to WFH, continuing to meet in large public places versus smaller group or none at all, admitting Covid is real versus a hoax, social distancing versus hanging out with all your buds.....that's all worked out very well.
There's a big difference between the freedoms a person may be giving up temporarily versus the rest of their lives. Do people like yourself, tend to think Covid is simply going to disappear without some major help? All the noncompliance displayed by people, has shown me an emphatic no. Covid doesn't give a duck about our freedoms or our health.14 -
Four people in Oregon who are at least two weeks past their second vaccination are positive for COVID.rheddmobile wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
Here in Massachusetts our vax rollout has been horrendous. Wednesday, Gov. Charlie Baker announced that people accompanying those over 75 to mass vaccination sites could also sign up for a shot, which prompted posts on Craigslist soliciting seniors, outrage by teachers (who are not in a priority group) and others waiting patiently for shots, and this bit on The Daily Show:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-xnNdB68w&t=122s
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/02/11/massachusetts-vaccine-eligibility-companions-craigslist
I guess if the alternative is that an elderly person can't get there on their own so doesn't get a shot - it makes sense? At this point in our supposed "rollout" I really don't care who they give the odd extra shot to as long as someone is getting it.
I agree. I feel like there's not enough public recognition of the fact that each person vaccinated is one less (or 0.7 less or whatever the effective rate of that dose) potential transmission vector and one less (0.7 less) opportunity for a mutation to create a virus variant that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. Especially if I haven't gotten vaccinated yet.
I don’t have any evidence to substantiate this, but I feel like the vaccine probably is cutting transmission by a lot. Locally our rates have dropped sharply since January, starting at a time when they would have been expected to still be climbing from the holiday surge. I believe the change is because healthcare professionals were vaccinated. Since local tracing found that the largest single traceable source of infections was healthcare (with 65% being no known origin) it makes sense that stopping doctors, nurses, and healthcare workers from spreading it would show results quickly.
COVID will be endemic. We’ll likely need annual/semi-annual boosters. It’ll be like the flu vaccine, I think. Fewer people will get sick, and those who do will be less likely to be hospitalized or die.
At our campus town hall last week, one of the doctors from the medical center said once you’re vaccinated you can only spread COVID if you’re infected yourself, but another doctor on the local news said fully vaccinated people could still spread it regardless. 🤷🏻♀️ Only time will tell.
I remember when this all first started and there were several possible scenarios. The article I read said that what is transpiring was the "worst case scenario". Coming back every year, similar to the flu.
What I don't believe the article took into account was that our vaccines would be so effective against it. While it's extremely concerning that it likely won't be stamped out, I do think they might be able to stay ahead of it in terms of mutations.
Af anyone has the ability to improve their health and immunity, now might be a good time to do it.3 -
"There are two cases each in Yamhill and Lane counties, the state's Health Authority said in a series of tweets on Friday. The cases are either mild or asymptomatic."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/four-people-oregon-who-received-both-doses-vaccine-test-positive-n1257886
That's the problem with a 95% effective vaccine. There's going to be 5% who do still get the illness. But it's great to see that even those who got sick were asymptomatic or had only mild illness. They think that even that 5% will still get some help from the vaccine to decrease the severity of the infection. So, so far, it's working exactly as they've expected.
Here's an AP article that blabs a bit more.
https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-oregon-fe84f7c2888bf3b04706b2e7356dcf6b7 -
I would also add that just because someone tests positive after being vaxxed doesn't mean they were infected after being vaxxed. There's a small window there where they could have not fully built up antibodies yet, gotten infected, and tested positive after. I'm totally playing devil's advocate here lol, but if you twist yourself into a pretzel and squint, you could make it work
Also also, people getting vaxxed now are still living in a world where most people aren't vaxxed. That 5% of people who for whatever reason don't develop antibodies from the vaccine will be far less likely to get infected a year from now, when a majority of people are vaxxed, assuming the vaccinations at least somewhat limit virus replication and spread.10 -
My rural corner of southern Nevada has had very few doses of vaccine available, and after weeks of playing online whack-a-mole attempting to get an appointment, sudden success today! My husband and I, both in our 70's with chronic health conditions, are scheduled for vaccinations this Friday.24
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I would also add that just because someone tests positive after being vaxxed doesn't mean they were infected after being vaxxed. There's a small window there where they could have not fully built up antibodies yet, gotten infected, and tested positive after. I'm totally playing devil's advocate here lol, but if you twist yourself into a pretzel and squint, you could make it work
Also also, people getting vaxxed now are still living in a world where most people aren't vaxxed. That 5% of people who for whatever reason don't develop antibodies from the vaccine will be far less likely to get infected a year from now, when a majority of people are vaxxed, assuming the vaccinations at leaste somewhat limit virus replication and spread.
And if the vaccines need to be administered yearly, when many still haven’t received the first round of vaccinations, how will that affect the spread? There simply isn’t enough vaccine available, and won’t be for the immediate future. There is concern about the more virulent strain starting to spread more quickly, and a resurgence of infections.
We know the government knows everything about us. Age, profession, factors for eligibility of the vaccine. Since they are in control of distribution of the vaccine, why don’t they schedule, and contact, people in the frontline health care field, and over 65 age group. Everything seems so convoluted about getting the vaccine out to the vulnerable population. Minnesota is at 79% of promised vaccine in arms. The other 21%, unavailable supply. It’s a very low percent of the total population of Minnesota vaccinated. There’s no shortage of people queuing up that want the vaccination, it’s all about lack of supply.
There are a lot of people in the world all needing vaccinations. Patience, and following guidelines set up from the beginning are in order: face covering, social distancing, and hand washing.6 -
Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
IMO it’s scary how quick people are to surrender their freedoms and how quickly governments are ready to take them..
I live in South Australia- the only active covid cases here now are overseas returnees in supervised quarantine hotels
Because the government took away our freedoms and the freedoms of people entering the country and people surrendered their freedoms ( aka complied with regulations) we are now living safe from the disease and life almost back to normal bar travelling
Scary how people see that as a bad thing.
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paperpudding wrote: »Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
IMO it’s scary how quick people are to surrender their freedoms and how quickly governments are ready to take them..
I live in South Australia- the only active covid cases here now are overseas returnees in supervised quarantine hotels
Because the government took away our freedoms and the freedoms of people entering the country and people surrendered their freedoms ( aka complied with regulations) we are now living safe from the disease and life almost back to normal bar travelling
Scary how people see that as a bad thing.
I’m pretty sure many people see it as a role model country. A year later, the USA, leadership consequences are apparent. Nearly 500,000 lost.
Australian leadership 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻22 -
missysippy930 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
IMO it’s scary how quick people are to surrender their freedoms and how quickly governments are ready to take them..
I live in South Australia- the only active covid cases here now are overseas returnees in supervised quarantine hotels
Because the government took away our freedoms and the freedoms of people entering the country and people surrendered their freedoms ( aka complied with regulations) we are now living safe from the disease and life almost back to normal bar travelling
Scary how people see that as a bad thing.
I’m pretty sure many people see it as a role model country. A year later, the USA, leadership consequences are apparent. Nearly 500,000 lost.
Australian leadership 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Really don’t get why this would get 5 disagrees. I’m in the UK and would say Australia (and NZ) leadership is definitely better than ours: over 120,000 deaths for one smallish Island.20 -
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9262397/How-California-Florida-took-different-approaches-ended-result.html
Pro/Con lock down results surprised me.1 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9262397/How-California-Florida-took-different-approaches-ended-result.html
Pro/Con lock down results surprised me.
My guess is that despite California having stricter rules regarding lockdown that plenty of people still weren't compliant unlike In Australia and New Zealand where almost every person is. Americans tend to not like having their Freedoms take from them where as we tend to mostly be fine with it.8 -
Some significant research was just released supporting Vit D in reducing risk of ICU and mortality.
Youtube discussion:
https://youtu.be/oYK9-zvJF_k
Research: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32871238/2 -
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I couldn't find any information on this question but I'm curious, maybe someone here knows. Concerning receiving the Moderna vaccine, are recipients under age 55 known to have a tougher time with side effects than other age categories?0
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GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9262397/How-California-Florida-took-different-approaches-ended-result.html
Pro/Con lock down results surprised me.
My guess is that despite California having stricter rules regarding lockdown that plenty of people still weren't compliant unlike In Australia and New Zealand where almost every person is. Americans tend to not like having their Freedoms take from them where as we tend to mostly be fine with it.
Americans do appreciate our freedom and the sacrifices made by those who came before us (and currently serving), including the ultimate sacrifice, to protect freedom. Without their sacrifices most of the world (probably including Australia) would be a very different place today.
That said, IMO, too much biased news reporting on both sides is causing some US citizens to ignore science, sometimes in the name of freedom.13 -
Freedom is a relative concept.
I will take Australia's freedom ( almost), from Covid ahead of the freedoms lost by early imposing of regulations.16 -
I couldn't find any information on this question but I'm curious, maybe someone here knows. Concerning receiving the Moderna vaccine, are recipients under age 55 known to have a tougher time with side effects than other age categories?
I have no idea in general, but I literally just got off the phone with my 29 year old daughter. She got her second moderna shot yesterday. She is wiped out. She has had a fever of 102 all night. Body hurts too much to sleep and even laying down at all is painful. She says that her whole body feels arthritic. She threw up at 2 am. Her one other comment though is that she wonders if this is how she feels from the vaccine, then how might she have felt contracting the actual COVID virus. She is trying to power through and avoid pain and fever reduces as many have claimed that you want the immune response to help build your immune response.11 -
I couldn't find any information on this question but I'm curious, maybe someone here knows. Concerning receiving the Moderna vaccine, are recipients under age 55 known to have a tougher time with side effects than other age categories?
I have no idea in general, but I literally just got off the phone with my 29 year old daughter. She got her second moderna shot yesterday. She is wiped out. She has had a fever of 102 all night. Body hurts too much to sleep and even laying down at all is painful. She says that her whole body feels arthritic. She threw up at 2 am. Her one other comment though is that she wonders if this is how she feels from the vaccine, then how might she have felt contracting the actual COVID virus. She is trying to power through and avoid pain and fever reduces as many have claimed that you want the immune response to help build your immune response.
I am really hoping that stories like these don't discourage people from getting the vaccine. Like your daughter said, 24 hours of feeling like crap pales in comparison to what someone might go through with a bad case of COVID. Or the misery someone would feel if they passed the virus on to a vulnerable person, for whom it could be fatal.7 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I couldn't find any information on this question but I'm curious, maybe someone here knows. Concerning receiving the Moderna vaccine, are recipients under age 55 known to have a tougher time with side effects than other age categories?
I have no idea in general, but I literally just got off the phone with my 29 year old daughter. She got her second moderna shot yesterday. She is wiped out. She has had a fever of 102 all night. Body hurts too much to sleep and even laying down at all is painful. She says that her whole body feels arthritic. She threw up at 2 am. Her one other comment though is that she wonders if this is how she feels from the vaccine, then how might she have felt contracting the actual COVID virus. She is trying to power through and avoid pain and fever reduces as many have claimed that you want the immune response to help build your immune response.
I am really hoping that stories like these don't discourage people from getting the vaccine. Like your daughter said, 24 hours of feeling like crap pales in comparison to what someone might go through with a bad case of COVID. Or the misery someone would feel if they passed the virus on to a vulnerable person, for whom it could be fatal.
Me too.
I'm scheduled for my 2nd Moderna this afternoon and it's taking everything for me to keep this appt. I'm such a chicken thinking about all that can go wrong and how dreadful I'll feel. I need to just power through and know it's the right thing to do; I'll get over it. 
On the other side of the coin, having had Covid in November, luckily a very mild case, and just a sore arm with the 1st vaccine, I'm hoping this goes smoothly as well. Hope that's not me being naive. 11 -
I hope my mother doesn't get those side effects - she has low tolerance for "discomfort" and complains getting a band aid removed.
If she ever gets it. Second shot was scheduled for the 13th, then postponed to the 17th, now "tentatively" scheduled for the 20th contingent on enough supply arriving. So a home full of seniors got their first shot and now the time frame for the second shot is completely unknown. At some point I guess the first shot will be wasted and they would have to redo both if they wait too long?
Literally embarrassed to be Canadian at this point.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9262397/How-California-Florida-took-different-approaches-ended-result.html
Pro/Con lock down results surprised me.
My guess is that despite California having stricter rules regarding lockdown that plenty of people still weren't compliant unlike In Australia and New Zealand where almost every person is. Americans tend to not like having their Freedoms take from them where as we tend to mostly be fine with it.
I think that is part of it, but also being an island and very low populations probably helps as well. My city's metropolitan population alone is more than all of New Zealand. Also we have a massive land border with the US where good cross back and forth daily. We have a "lock down" here now - but 90+% of people entering are "exempt" because they are essential workers, truck drivers etc. So it's really not much a lock down anyway. If Australia closes the airport no one can get in or out. In Canada if a Canadian show up at a land crossing they can't legally refuse them entry.8 -
https://www.businessinsider.com/virus-variant-in-11-countries-and-may-resist-antibodies-report-2021-2
I am getting news whiplash.1 -
I couldn't find any information on this question but I'm curious, maybe someone here knows. Concerning receiving the Moderna vaccine, are recipients under age 55 known to have a tougher time with side effects than other age categories?
From what I have read it is more common of recipients under 55 to have a more robust response to vaccines. Vaccines have a substance called an "adjuvant" that is designed to alert the body that there is an invader to provoke a response. As older people have less energetic immune systems, their response is less pronounced. It just doesn't pounce as hard. The Covid vax acts the same. So I imagine that if that is the case for Modern, they used a more provocatory adjuvant. My Dad is 76, and he got severe aches and chills the night after the vaccine. And soreness at the injection site and that was all. He'll get his second tomorrow. So we shall see how he weathers that.
So the 2nd dose tends to overall provoke more severe reactions than the first across both, but according to this source, Moderna's overall side effects are worse than Pfizer's. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-why-your-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-will-likely-have-stronger-side-effects#Millions-of-doses,-few-problems
EDIT: Being the shameless nerd that I am, I couldn't let this go. According one study, neither use a separate adjuvant, but "BioNTech/Pfizer and Moderna do not explicitly state the use of an adjuvant within their vaccines, but RNA already contains immunostimulatory properties and signals through pathogen recognition receptors.72 It remains to be seen whether the immunostimulation from RNA is strong enough to confer full protection against SARS-CoV-2. There is also a possibility that the LNP carriers they utilize confer adjuvant properties themselves." Super neat. So if this is true, than the lipsomes and mRNA formulations in the Moderna are more naturally rowdy than the ones Pfizer uses.
(This source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7553041/)7 -
tacoswithhhotsauce wrote: »
That paper was from back in october. Medcram did a video on it as well.
Right you are. Here is a link to the preprint on the new research
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=37713180 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9262397/How-California-Florida-took-different-approaches-ended-result.html
Pro/Con lock down results surprised me.
My guess is that despite California having stricter rules regarding lockdown that plenty of people still weren't compliant unlike In Australia and New Zealand where almost every person is. Americans tend to not like having their Freedoms take from them where as we tend to mostly be fine with it.
I am sure many factors come into play. The numbers in FL and CA seems hit at that the CA lock down may have been poorly advised and most hurtful to poor.
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The value of lock downs without also closing your borders is questionable
Do lockdowns really make a difference? How two US states with totally opposite COVID strategies both ended up with the same result3
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