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lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
Here in Massachusetts our vax rollout has been horrendous. Wednesday, Gov. Charlie Baker announced that people accompanying those over 75 to mass vaccination sites could also sign up for a shot, which prompted posts on Craigslist soliciting seniors, outrage by teachers (who are not in a priority group) and others waiting patiently for shots, and this bit on The Daily Show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-xnNdB68w&t=122s
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/02/11/massachusetts-vaccine-eligibility-companions-craigslist
I guess if the alternative is that an elderly person can't get there on their own so doesn't get a shot - it makes sense? At this point in our supposed "rollout" I really don't care who they give the odd extra shot to as long as someone is getting it.
I agree. I feel like there's not enough public recognition of the fact that each person vaccinated is one less (or 0.7 less or whatever the effective rate of that dose) potential transmission vector and one less (0.7 less) opportunity for a mutation to create a virus variant that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. Especially if I haven't gotten vaccinated yet.
I don’t have any evidence to substantiate this, but I feel like the vaccine probably is cutting transmission by a lot. Locally our rates have dropped sharply since January, starting at a time when they would have been expected to still be climbing from the holiday surge. I believe the change is because healthcare professionals were vaccinated. Since local tracing found that the largest single traceable source of infections was healthcare (with 65% being no known origin) it makes sense that stopping doctors, nurses, and healthcare workers from spreading it would show results quickly.12 -
Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
IMO it’s scary how quick people are to surrender their freedoms and how quickly governments are ready to take them..
Which freedoms are those? I'm feeling pretty free and grateful for it. This was my Saturday night: Six60 Concert
Though, that said, we have just now had an announcement of three new cases in one family where the source of infection is not yet known. One family member works at an airport laundry service, so there seems to be a likelihood that it's border-related (all but one of our other current cases are returnees from overseas, and the other one is the partner of a returnee). I don't know yet what the implications this time will be in terms of lockdowns, but we'll do what we need to do. It will depend on the genomic testing and if any other cases are found.
In other news, vaccines are on the way to us - we are expecting our first batch in the coming week, with border staff to start being vaccinated from next weekend, followed by their household contacts/close family members. I'm not sure how the sequence of the rollout will go after that, but I'll be at the bottom of the list and that's going to be months away yet.
Following up from the earlier announcement, New Zealand is now changing our Alert Level. Auckland will be moving into level 3 (highest is 4, and 3 is still a pretty tight lockdown). The rest of the country is going to level 2, which isn't too bad.
This is currently for 3 days while they check contacts and movements of the affected people. Then we shall see!6 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
My over-70 parents with pre-existing conditions have not been able to get the vaccine yet...they are in Illinois. My Dad JUST was able to schedule an appointment for February 25th. My Mom still doesn't have one.
The state just announced that they are expanding the eligible pool to people of any age with certain conditions, like diabetes and obesity.
There are no appointments to be had in the most populous areas of the state, and they want to throw millions more people into that pool of people fighting for slots.
In Chicago and Cook County (high-density populations), they told the state that they are NOT dong that expansion right now. They haven't even finished vaccinating healthcare workers, much less making a dent in the elderly population.
Yeah, all this. My sister's SO (who is a health care worker) did get vaccinated, and an older co-worker (71) who signed up through the Cook Co portal, but after the first couple days being strong our numbers are abysmal. A friend can't figure out how to sign her grandma in the burbs up at all (at least the Cook Co sign up seems to work, as that's how my co worker got his appt and I've signed up although I don't expect anything pre summer).
Another older friend in the Cook Co burbs is convinced Chicagoans are getting better treatment, but I see no evidence of that.
On the other hand, a much lower percentage of our doses (and I believe we do have a major shortage of doses) have been used than in WI or MI, so I'm a bit suspicious (and judgy) about why: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/. IMO, giving out the vaccine quickly to those who want it should be the number 1 thing and no other political concerns should interfere. This is in the interest of overall public health.8 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
My over-70 parents with pre-existing conditions have not been able to get the vaccine yet...they are in Illinois. My Dad JUST was able to schedule an appointment for February 25th. My Mom still doesn't have one.
The state just announced that they are expanding the eligible pool to people of any age with certain conditions, like diabetes and obesity.
There are no appointments to be had in the most populous areas of the state, and they want to throw millions more people into that pool of people fighting for slots.
In Chicago and Cook County (high-density populations), they told the state that they are NOT dong that expansion right now. They haven't even finished vaccinating healthcare workers, much less making a dent in the elderly population.
Yeah, all this. My sister's SO (who is a health care worker) did get vaccinated, and an older co-worker (71) who signed up through the Cook Co portal, but after the first couple days being strong our numbers are abysmal. A friend can't figure out how to sign her grandma in the burbs up at all (at least the Cook Co sign up seems to work, as that's how my co worker got his appt and I've signed up although I don't expect anything pre summer).
Another older friend in the Cook Co burbs is convinced Chicagoans are getting better treatment, but I see no evidence of that.
On the other hand, a much lower percentage of our doses (and I believe we do have a major shortage of doses) have been used than in WI or MI, so I'm a bit suspicious (and judgy) about why: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/. IMO, giving out the vaccine quickly to those who want it should be the number 1 thing and no other political concerns should interfere. This is in the interest of overall public health.
I signed up through the Lake County Allvax portal, which I only found out about because as part of my job I work for a state-funded therapy program as speech therapist. I got an email to inform me when they changed the 1b category to include educators in the vaccine eligibility group. I had gotten a memo from the Early Intervention chief addressed to all EI providers (therapy services for the 0-3 population, a state-funded program) that we were considered early childhood education personnel and therefore would be considered part of that group. When I got the notification that my vax was ready, I was given only 2 places to get the vaccine--both high schools. When I went to my appointment, the "screeners" told me because I didn't work directly for a school I couldn't get it there. Obviously, there was some miscommunication somewhere. I tried to rescheduled for a local pharmacy, but of course there were no appointments to be had, even when I changed my category to healthcare worker (which I am). I rescheduled for a different high school and brought a copy of the memo, plus a physical copy of my provider credentials, and after initial confusion the "head guy" let me through.
I will say that the actual process of getting the vaccine was well-organized and ran smoothly, though. I was joking with my husband last night that some Chicago politicians were probably paying to get their friends and families vaccinated before they were supposed to be eligible.7 -
FWIW, a couple things I heard today in a Zoom meeting with one of my elder orphans group (this one mostly people in greater Detroit area), but can’t independently substantiate:
* Some people have found that sites giving vaccinations have a local (site-specific) wait list. To get on it, must go in person, and be willing to show up quickly if called. The purpose is to use up vaccine that was from scheduled appointments that didn’t show up, in order to avoid wasting vaccine. Most of the people in this Zoom group would be currently eligible here, but report friends or relatives who are not yet eligible having been able to get a vaccination through this mechanism. The 2nd shot is scheduled at the time the first happens, just as it would be for people in the officially eligible groups.
* A nurse in the group, someone not given to wild theories, said that scammers are dumpster diving at pharmacies giving the shots, finding vax vials, and selling the vaccine. Beware of for-pay options, for this and other obvious reasons.
Here in Michigan, anecdotally (what friends say about their experience), things seem to be going reasonably smoothly, limited mainly by vaccine supply. There are some complaints about how vaccine is being distributed (e.g., doesn’t seem to match up with sub-population sizes associated with each site), but that’s all I’ve heard.
Teacher friends’ vaccinations seem to have been arranged through their school districts (maybe in collaboration with health departments, not sure). The congregate care facilities like elder homes are getting vaccine distribution through major pharmacy chains. Some front-line workers (health care workers for sure, perhaps others), have some arrangement through the employer, in most cases.
For the general public, my county health department, various health care organizations (e.g. hospital systems), and pharmacies are using online signup, then one is contacted when eligible to make an appointment. That contact is usually email, though I’ve heard some reports about phone calls.
I’ve heard first-person reports on two local county health deparments’ processes. My county seems to be distributing via a drive-through site (huge exhibition building with multiple drive-in doors), with reasonable wait times, and all done in-car. Another county is running a drive through at a mall (maybe a disused auto service or car dealer building, not sure?), also smooth. One county is distributing via a pharmacy chain, also reported to be smooth, indoors but good safety practices and reasonable wait. Only one bad report, from a pharmacy in a big retail department/grocery chain, with long waits, poor safety practices with masks/distancing among patrons (but mentioned as a store location that tends to be poorly managed overall.)
Main complaints are the difficulty in finding where to sign up, having to sign up in multiple places, no communication about where one is in the priority queue (usually we get an initial acknowledgement, then nothing until the “make an appointment” email), doctors offices not offering vaccines at normal appointments. Frankly, in the big picture of this being a new thing with limited supplies, I think those are pretty small potatoes, personally.
I’m still waiting for my number to come up, as part of the less urgent segment of group 1B here.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
Here in Massachusetts our vax rollout has been horrendous. Wednesday, Gov. Charlie Baker announced that people accompanying those over 75 to mass vaccination sites could also sign up for a shot, which prompted posts on Craigslist soliciting seniors, outrage by teachers (who are not in a priority group) and others waiting patiently for shots, and this bit on The Daily Show:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-xnNdB68w&t=122s
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/02/11/massachusetts-vaccine-eligibility-companions-craigslist
I guess if the alternative is that an elderly person can't get there on their own so doesn't get a shot - it makes sense? At this point in our supposed "rollout" I really don't care who they give the odd extra shot to as long as someone is getting it.
I agree. I feel like there's not enough public recognition of the fact that each person vaccinated is one less (or 0.7 less or whatever the effective rate of that dose) potential transmission vector and one less (0.7 less) opportunity for a mutation to create a virus variant that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. Especially if I haven't gotten vaccinated yet.
I thought that a vaccinated individual was still able to carry and transmit the virus, that the vaccine just prevented the vaccinated person from developing more serious symptoms, requiring medical treatment, hospitalization, etc.
Or maybe I'm just not up to date on the latest results?
I probably shouldn't even have made the first point, as it is the second one that I think is really overlooked. Viruses can't replicate on their own. They need to get inside our cells to do that. Vaccines help stop the viruses from getting inside our cells. If they can't get inside our cells, they can't replicate. Replication is when mutations occur. The variants that are of such concern right now are mutations. The more people who get infected, the more opportunity for mutations and variations that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. As much as I don't want to get covid, I really don't want to get a more lethal variant of covid.7 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That was initially a thought of why the impact of the virus skewed males over 50 in Wuhan. Damage from being a long-term smoker. The studies I saw cited smoking being more prevalent in men than women in that region.3 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
My over-70 parents with pre-existing conditions have not been able to get the vaccine yet...they are in Illinois. My Dad JUST was able to schedule an appointment for February 25th. My Mom still doesn't have one.
The state just announced that they are expanding the eligible pool to people of any age with certain conditions, like diabetes and obesity.
There are no appointments to be had in the most populous areas of the state, and they want to throw millions more people into that pool of people fighting for slots.
In Chicago and Cook County (high-density populations), they told the state that they are NOT dong that expansion right now. They haven't even finished vaccinating healthcare workers, much less making a dent in the elderly population.
Your mom should go with him, they might jab her too. My dad got an appt because he's 76, my mom didn't because she's 74. When they showed up, they weren't asked who had an appt they just did them both. Obviously that's going to be different in different places, but it can't hurt to try if they can.
She definitely should go with him. I volunteer at the campus vaccination site (campus is confusing, and while the site runs well, getting to it is not intuitive as we’re not using the main entrance) and we are (granted, won’t be the same everywhere) vaccinating both people of an older couple comes in together. Appointments have been an issue and we don’t want people out and about more than is minimally necessary.3 -
Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
IMO it’s scary how quick people are to surrender their freedoms and how quickly governments are ready to take them..
And give them back. It was temporary and they’ve gone the summer COVID-free (except in Auckland for a few weeks in August and again now—three-day lockdown). Short-term sacrifice of the many that saved lives, and saved survivors from long term damage from the effects of the virus.
Meanwhile, we’re (US) closing in on 500,000 dead. 😞18 -
Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
IMO it’s scary how quick people are to surrender their freedoms and how quickly governments are ready to take them..
And give them back. It was temporary and they’ve gone the summer COVID-free (except in Auckland for a few weeks in August and again now—three-day lockdown). Short-term sacrifice of the many that saved lives, and saved survivors from long term damage from the effects of the virus.
Meanwhile, we’re (US) closing in on 500,000 dead. 😞
And also saved a lot of people going through partial lockdown for months. Of course they have a few lockdown rules long term, but not as many, Not as strict, and not as confusing as some Of us are going through.
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Four people in Oregon who are at least two weeks past their second vaccination are positive for COVID.rheddmobile wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
Here in Massachusetts our vax rollout has been horrendous. Wednesday, Gov. Charlie Baker announced that people accompanying those over 75 to mass vaccination sites could also sign up for a shot, which prompted posts on Craigslist soliciting seniors, outrage by teachers (who are not in a priority group) and others waiting patiently for shots, and this bit on The Daily Show:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-xnNdB68w&t=122s
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/02/11/massachusetts-vaccine-eligibility-companions-craigslist
I guess if the alternative is that an elderly person can't get there on their own so doesn't get a shot - it makes sense? At this point in our supposed "rollout" I really don't care who they give the odd extra shot to as long as someone is getting it.
I agree. I feel like there's not enough public recognition of the fact that each person vaccinated is one less (or 0.7 less or whatever the effective rate of that dose) potential transmission vector and one less (0.7 less) opportunity for a mutation to create a virus variant that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. Especially if I haven't gotten vaccinated yet.
I don’t have any evidence to substantiate this, but I feel like the vaccine probably is cutting transmission by a lot. Locally our rates have dropped sharply since January, starting at a time when they would have been expected to still be climbing from the holiday surge. I believe the change is because healthcare professionals were vaccinated. Since local tracing found that the largest single traceable source of infections was healthcare (with 65% being no known origin) it makes sense that stopping doctors, nurses, and healthcare workers from spreading it would show results quickly.
COVID will be endemic. We’ll likely need annual/semi-annual boosters. It’ll be like the flu vaccine, I think. Fewer people will get sick, and those who do will be less likely to be hospitalized or die.
At our campus town hall last week, one of the doctors from the medical center said once you’re vaccinated you can only spread COVID if you’re infected yourself, but another doctor on the local news said fully vaccinated people could still spread it regardless. 🤷🏻♀️ Only time will tell.6 -
Four people in Oregon who are at least two weeks past their second vaccination are positive for COVID.rheddmobile wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
Here in Massachusetts our vax rollout has been horrendous. Wednesday, Gov. Charlie Baker announced that people accompanying those over 75 to mass vaccination sites could also sign up for a shot, which prompted posts on Craigslist soliciting seniors, outrage by teachers (who are not in a priority group) and others waiting patiently for shots, and this bit on The Daily Show:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-xnNdB68w&t=122s
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/02/11/massachusetts-vaccine-eligibility-companions-craigslist
I guess if the alternative is that an elderly person can't get there on their own so doesn't get a shot - it makes sense? At this point in our supposed "rollout" I really don't care who they give the odd extra shot to as long as someone is getting it.
I agree. I feel like there's not enough public recognition of the fact that each person vaccinated is one less (or 0.7 less or whatever the effective rate of that dose) potential transmission vector and one less (0.7 less) opportunity for a mutation to create a virus variant that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. Especially if I haven't gotten vaccinated yet.
I don’t have any evidence to substantiate this, but I feel like the vaccine probably is cutting transmission by a lot. Locally our rates have dropped sharply since January, starting at a time when they would have been expected to still be climbing from the holiday surge. I believe the change is because healthcare professionals were vaccinated. Since local tracing found that the largest single traceable source of infections was healthcare (with 65% being no known origin) it makes sense that stopping doctors, nurses, and healthcare workers from spreading it would show results quickly.
COVID will be endemic. We’ll likely need annual/semi-annual boosters. It’ll be like the flu vaccine, I think. Fewer people will get sick, and those who do will be less likely to be hospitalized or die.
At our campus town hall last week, one of the doctors from the medical center said once you’re vaccinated you can only spread COVID if you’re infected yourself, but another doctor on the local news said fully vaccinated people could still spread it regardless. 🤷🏻♀️ Only time will tell.
Did they explain how it could be spread by someone who isn't infected?1 -
Protective vs. sterilizing. Not enough evidence to know what level of protection vaccines offer. I’m really hoping they are sterilizing. Time will tell.5
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Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
IMO it’s scary how quick people are to surrender their freedoms and how quickly governments are ready to take them..
Oh yes, because we can see how travelling versus staying home, refusing to wear the *gasp* mask versus being compliant, working in large manufacturers versus being able to WFH, continuing to meet in large public places versus smaller group or none at all, admitting Covid is real versus a hoax, social distancing versus hanging out with all your buds.....that's all worked out very well.
There's a big difference between the freedoms a person may be giving up temporarily versus the rest of their lives. Do people like yourself, tend to think Covid is simply going to disappear without some major help? All the noncompliance displayed by people, has shown me an emphatic no. Covid doesn't give a duck about our freedoms or our health.13 -
Four people in Oregon who are at least two weeks past their second vaccination are positive for COVID.rheddmobile wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
Here in Massachusetts our vax rollout has been horrendous. Wednesday, Gov. Charlie Baker announced that people accompanying those over 75 to mass vaccination sites could also sign up for a shot, which prompted posts on Craigslist soliciting seniors, outrage by teachers (who are not in a priority group) and others waiting patiently for shots, and this bit on The Daily Show:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-xnNdB68w&t=122s
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/02/11/massachusetts-vaccine-eligibility-companions-craigslist
I guess if the alternative is that an elderly person can't get there on their own so doesn't get a shot - it makes sense? At this point in our supposed "rollout" I really don't care who they give the odd extra shot to as long as someone is getting it.
I agree. I feel like there's not enough public recognition of the fact that each person vaccinated is one less (or 0.7 less or whatever the effective rate of that dose) potential transmission vector and one less (0.7 less) opportunity for a mutation to create a virus variant that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. Especially if I haven't gotten vaccinated yet.
I don’t have any evidence to substantiate this, but I feel like the vaccine probably is cutting transmission by a lot. Locally our rates have dropped sharply since January, starting at a time when they would have been expected to still be climbing from the holiday surge. I believe the change is because healthcare professionals were vaccinated. Since local tracing found that the largest single traceable source of infections was healthcare (with 65% being no known origin) it makes sense that stopping doctors, nurses, and healthcare workers from spreading it would show results quickly.
COVID will be endemic. We’ll likely need annual/semi-annual boosters. It’ll be like the flu vaccine, I think. Fewer people will get sick, and those who do will be less likely to be hospitalized or die.
At our campus town hall last week, one of the doctors from the medical center said once you’re vaccinated you can only spread COVID if you’re infected yourself, but another doctor on the local news said fully vaccinated people could still spread it regardless. 🤷🏻♀️ Only time will tell.
I remember when this all first started and there were several possible scenarios. The article I read said that what is transpiring was the "worst case scenario". Coming back every year, similar to the flu.
What I don't believe the article took into account was that our vaccines would be so effective against it. While it's extremely concerning that it likely won't be stamped out, I do think they might be able to stay ahead of it in terms of mutations.
Af anyone has the ability to improve their health and immunity, now might be a good time to do it.3 -
"There are two cases each in Yamhill and Lane counties, the state's Health Authority said in a series of tweets on Friday. The cases are either mild or asymptomatic."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/four-people-oregon-who-received-both-doses-vaccine-test-positive-n1257886
That's the problem with a 95% effective vaccine. There's going to be 5% who do still get the illness. But it's great to see that even those who got sick were asymptomatic or had only mild illness. They think that even that 5% will still get some help from the vaccine to decrease the severity of the infection. So, so far, it's working exactly as they've expected.
Here's an AP article that blabs a bit more.
https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-oregon-fe84f7c2888bf3b04706b2e7356dcf6b7 -
I would also add that just because someone tests positive after being vaxxed doesn't mean they were infected after being vaxxed. There's a small window there where they could have not fully built up antibodies yet, gotten infected, and tested positive after. I'm totally playing devil's advocate here lol, but if you twist yourself into a pretzel and squint, you could make it work
Also also, people getting vaxxed now are still living in a world where most people aren't vaxxed. That 5% of people who for whatever reason don't develop antibodies from the vaccine will be far less likely to get infected a year from now, when a majority of people are vaxxed, assuming the vaccinations at least somewhat limit virus replication and spread.10 -
My rural corner of southern Nevada has had very few doses of vaccine available, and after weeks of playing online whack-a-mole attempting to get an appointment, sudden success today! My husband and I, both in our 70's with chronic health conditions, are scheduled for vaccinations this Friday.24
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I would also add that just because someone tests positive after being vaxxed doesn't mean they were infected after being vaxxed. There's a small window there where they could have not fully built up antibodies yet, gotten infected, and tested positive after. I'm totally playing devil's advocate here lol, but if you twist yourself into a pretzel and squint, you could make it work
Also also, people getting vaxxed now are still living in a world where most people aren't vaxxed. That 5% of people who for whatever reason don't develop antibodies from the vaccine will be far less likely to get infected a year from now, when a majority of people are vaxxed, assuming the vaccinations at leaste somewhat limit virus replication and spread.
And if the vaccines need to be administered yearly, when many still haven’t received the first round of vaccinations, how will that affect the spread? There simply isn’t enough vaccine available, and won’t be for the immediate future. There is concern about the more virulent strain starting to spread more quickly, and a resurgence of infections.
We know the government knows everything about us. Age, profession, factors for eligibility of the vaccine. Since they are in control of distribution of the vaccine, why don’t they schedule, and contact, people in the frontline health care field, and over 65 age group. Everything seems so convoluted about getting the vaccine out to the vulnerable population. Minnesota is at 79% of promised vaccine in arms. The other 21%, unavailable supply. It’s a very low percent of the total population of Minnesota vaccinated. There’s no shortage of people queuing up that want the vaccination, it’s all about lack of supply.
There are a lot of people in the world all needing vaccinations. Patience, and following guidelines set up from the beginning are in order: face covering, social distancing, and hand washing.6
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