Coronavirus prep
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Anyone in Illinois....there are vaccine appointments available at the mass vaccination site being set up at the United Center in Chicago. From today until Sunday, they are ONLY taking appointments for people 65+ (no essential workers, teachers, etc.) They open on March 9.
My understanding is they are initially giving the two-dose Pfizer vaccine. This site is being run by FEMA, and they expect to do 6,000 shots a day for 100 days. Pass along to any seniors you may know in northern Illinois.8 -
My husband just got his second Pfizer dose yesterday. He is in his 40's. His arm is much more sore compared to the mild soreness last time. About 20 hours after the vax he developed a headache, and 24 hours postvax, he is feeling nauseated and just kind of low level all-around crappy. His first vax he felt pretty good. He said the flu vax was a bigger deal, and he went for a long session of mountain biking afterwards. This time around, he says he's coming home from work and crashing for the rest of the day. It's not the end of the world, it's just not as "fun" as the first time.10
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My husband was picking up a prescription from the pharmacist yesterday. He asked the pharmacist about getting his second shingles shot. The pharmacist asked him if he got vaccinated for covid yet. No he hasn’t. The pharmacist told him that he can’t have the second shingles shot until he’s had been vaccinated for covid. I guess you’re not supposed to have other vaccines with in a certain amount of time of each other.9
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paperpudding wrote: »
I think there is definitely a connection. The shingles virus is kept in check by your immune system and stresses on your immune system cause it to flare up. There has been a documented rise in shingles cases during the pandemic, and anecdotal reports of it after the vaccine. The info I read on it stated that there would be a certain number of cases to be expected in the vaccinated population after the shot because they are over 50 and prone to it anyway- and that they “should have” had their shingles vaccine. Well a 27 yo isn’t even close to that risk group and wouldn’t even be on the radar for a shingles vaccine. At any rate she got some meds from her doctor and is doing OK and is still planning on getting her second shot. I’m not anti vaccine by any means but just discounting it as a coincidence and brushing people off who have reactions after a brand new vaccine seems ill advised to me.
There is also some evidence of shingles erupting after non symptomatic covid - and it being a warning sign that someone has been infected and doesn’t know it.8 -
27 is too young for shingles vaccine - but it isn't too young to get shingles.
Which, yes, can happen more when your immune system is under stress from any cause.
Still a coincidence not a direct cause and effect result.
Nobody is brushing people off who have adverse reactions to any vaccine - but everything that happens to occur a fortnight after having a vaccine is not an adverse reaction.
Some things are unrelated.10 -
missysippy930 wrote: »My husband was picking up a prescription from the pharmacist yesterday. He asked the pharmacist about getting his second shingles shot. The pharmacist asked him if he got vaccinated for covid yet. No he hasn’t. The pharmacist told him that he can’t have the second shingles shot until he’s had been vaccinated for covid. I guess you’re not supposed to have other vaccines with in a certain amount of time of each other.
Some vaccines- correct.
My understanding is that covid vaccine should not be given within 2 weeks of other vaccines.
Which is going to be problematic here in Australia where covid vaccine is becoming available just when annual flu vaccines commence.5 -
He’s an essential worker who’s been working full time all through covid. He’s 68, a 6 year cancer survivor. A few years ago slow growing cancer was detected at site where the initial cancer was surgically removed. They are watching the growth and he is seen every three months. Radiation when the size of the cancer is big enough to treat. We were told it’s a very successful procedure. He is very healthy otherwise, just slowing down a bit like a lot of us senior citizens. He has an appointment this month with his specialist. So, he’s in more than 1 at risk group qualifying for the vaccine. Hopefully, he’ll get a call soon about the vaccine. We’re registered with the state and are on a list for the vaccine at the nearest place that is giving the covid vaccine. It’s a waiting game.13
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paperpudding wrote: »27 is too young for shingles vaccine - but it isn't too young to get shingles.
Which, yes, can happen more when your immune system is under stress from any cause.
Still a coincidence not a direct cause and effect result.
Nobody is brushing people off who have adverse reactions to any vaccine - but everything that happens to occur a fortnight after having a vaccine is not an adverse reaction.
Some things are unrelated.
It's interesting that you say it can happen if your immune system is "under stress from any cause" - but that it can't be an effect of the vaccine putting your immune system under stress? Shingles can literally be triggered from emotional stress, viral illnesses, underlying health conditions - but it can't happen because of a vaccine?
I mean obviously we don't know for sure but it certainly seems plausible that a vaccine could put your immune system under enough stress to trigger it.
I don't know what a fortnight is - but this occurred 6 days after the vaccine. Her doctor advised that while it isn't a "known side effect" she can't discount that it was a vaccine reaction because we don't know enough about the vaccine yet. She reported it to Pfizer and the health department.
I guess we will see in time whether more cases like this appear or if there is any pattern. I will certainly be following any news on this.
Still a coincidence not a direct cause and effect result. I'm curious as to how you are confident enough of this to make such a definitive statement. Do you work in a related field? I'm not being facetious if you have some knowledge of it that would help me understand I am interested to hear it - I am not in the medical field I am just going on general knowledge and the research I have done.
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Fortnight=two weeks. I've always loved that term and wished it was more common in the US. I think I learned it originally from English kid's books.8
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paperpudding wrote: »27 is too young for shingles vaccine - but it isn't too young to get shingles.
Which, yes, can happen more when your immune system is under stress from any cause.
Still a coincidence not a direct cause and effect result.
Nobody is brushing people off who have adverse reactions to any vaccine - but everything that happens to occur a fortnight after having a vaccine is not an adverse reaction.
Some things are unrelated.
It's interesting that you say it can happen if your immune system is "under stress from any cause" - but that it can't be an effect of the vaccine putting your immune system under stress? Shingles can literally be triggered from emotional stress, viral illnesses, underlying health conditions - but it can't happen because of a vaccine?
I mean obviously we don't know for sure but it certainly seems plausible that a vaccine could put your immune system under enough stress to trigger it.
I don't know what a fortnight is - but this occurred 6 days after the vaccine. Her doctor advised that while it isn't a "known side effect" she can't discount that it was a vaccine reaction because we don't know enough about the vaccine yet. She reported it to Pfizer and the health department.
I guess we will see in time whether more cases like this appear or if there is any pattern. I will certainly be following any news on this.
Still a coincidence not a direct cause and effect result. I'm curious as to how you are confident enough of this to make such a definitive statement. Do you work in a related field? I'm not being facetious if you have some knowledge of it that would help me understand I am interested to hear it - I am not in the medical field I am just going on general knowledge and the research I have done.
Paperpudding will answer, I'm sure, but I understood that she's a nurse and gives a lot of vaccinations. My Mom was a nurse (now retired) and their knowledge is boundless. Love em'.7 -
missysippy930 wrote: »
I'm not sure - I just assumed she had chicken pox. My son is her same age and he didn't have the vaccine I don't think it was around back then? Or maybe it came out after he already had chicken pox he was very young when he got it.
Edit: no vaccine, she had chicken pox as a kid. The vaccine wasn't licensed in Canada until 1998 and the vaccine programs started in 2000.2 -
missysippy930 wrote: »
I'm not sure - I just assumed she had chicken pox. My son is her same age and he didn't have the vaccine I don't think it was around back then? Or maybe it came out after he already had chicken pox he was very young when he got it.
Edit: no vaccine, she had chicken pox as a kid. The vaccine wasn't licensed in Canada until 1998 and the vaccine programs started in 2000.
Is it just me, or do others seem to have someone who disagrees with literally every post they write? Idk it just seems odd that someone would disagree with the above statements of fact. Like do they disagree that my son had chicken pox as a very young child? Or that the chicken pox vaccine was licensed in Canada in 1998? It doesn't really matter - it just really confuses me.
I feel like maybe someone has a problem with me and just disagrees with everything I post.10 -
missysippy930 wrote: »
I'm not sure - I just assumed she had chicken pox. My son is her same age and he didn't have the vaccine I don't think it was around back then? Or maybe it came out after he already had chicken pox he was very young when he got it.
Edit: no vaccine, she had chicken pox as a kid. The vaccine wasn't licensed in Canada until 1998 and the vaccine programs started in 2000.
Is it just me, or do others seem to have someone who disagrees with literally every post they write? Idk it just seems odd that someone would disagree with the above statements of fact. Like do they disagree that my son had chicken pox as a very young child? Or that the chicken pox vaccine was licensed in Canada in 1998? It doesn't really matter - it just really confuses me.
I feel like maybe someone has a problem with me and just disagrees with everything I post.
Go back a few pages and you'll see that other people get disagrees too. Some people are very sensitive to disagrees and may have to decide not to post if it really bothers them.5 -
missysippy930 wrote: »My husband was picking up a prescription from the pharmacist yesterday. He asked the pharmacist about getting his second shingles shot. The pharmacist asked him if he got vaccinated for covid yet. No he hasn’t. The pharmacist told him that he can’t have the second shingles shot until he’s had been vaccinated for covid. I guess you’re not supposed to have other vaccines with in a certain amount of time of each other.
I think because there's no data yet, they are erring on the side of caution and requiring the covid vaccine to be done on its own and with a buffer period.1 -
missysippy930 wrote: »
I'm not sure - I just assumed she had chicken pox. My son is her same age and he didn't have the vaccine I don't think it was around back then? Or maybe it came out after he already had chicken pox he was very young when he got it.
Edit: no vaccine, she had chicken pox as a kid. The vaccine wasn't licensed in Canada until 1998 and the vaccine programs started in 2000.
Is it just me, or do others seem to have someone who disagrees with literally every post they write? Idk it just seems odd that someone would disagree with the above statements of fact. Like do they disagree that my son had chicken pox as a very young child? Or that the chicken pox vaccine was licensed in Canada in 1998? It doesn't really matter - it just really confuses me.
I feel like maybe someone has a problem with me and just disagrees with everything I post.
I've found in this thread if you say something that someone disagrees with you'll get a disagree stalker for a few pages until they get bored or forget they were stalking you
I've gone thru a couple of those myself. 14 -
missysippy930 wrote: »
I'm not sure - I just assumed she had chicken pox. My son is her same age and he didn't have the vaccine I don't think it was around back then? Or maybe it came out after he already had chicken pox he was very young when he got it.
Edit: no vaccine, she had chicken pox as a kid. The vaccine wasn't licensed in Canada until 1998 and the vaccine programs started in 2000.
Is it just me, or do others seem to have someone who disagrees with literally every post they write? Idk it just seems odd that someone would disagree with the above statements of fact. Like do they disagree that my son had chicken pox as a very young child? Or that the chicken pox vaccine was licensed in Canada in 1998? It doesn't really matter - it just really confuses me.
I feel like maybe someone has a problem with me and just disagrees with everything I post.
Yeah - disagrees happen (and btw, I know we had a lil’ argument over vaccinating pregnant women a few pages back, but I’m not your disagree stalker, we’re cool). However I have a question about the chicken pox. I didn’t know it could affect covid vaccinations, could you elaborate on that?
I never had the chicken pox vaccine eiher and hadn’t even heard there’s a vaccine for it until I traveled to the US for an exchange program in 2008 and had to have either the vaccine or confirmation that I’d had it. Got blood tests to confirm I had it basically asymptomatically around the same time my best friend and my sister had it when we were kids. I lucked out with that one - a former colleague got chicken pox as an adult and it was nasty. Apparently the vaccine is in our national vaccination program for kids now.4 -
missysippy930 wrote: »
I'm not sure - I just assumed she had chicken pox. My son is her same age and he didn't have the vaccine I don't think it was around back then? Or maybe it came out after he already had chicken pox he was very young when he got it.
Edit: no vaccine, she had chicken pox as a kid. The vaccine wasn't licensed in Canada until 1998 and the vaccine programs started in 2000.
Is it just me, or do others seem to have someone who disagrees with literally every post they write? Idk it just seems odd that someone would disagree with the above statements of fact. Like do they disagree that my son had chicken pox as a very young child? Or that the chicken pox vaccine was licensed in Canada in 1998? It doesn't really matter - it just really confuses me.
I feel like maybe someone has a problem with me and just disagrees with everything I post.
Yeah - disagrees happen (and btw, I know we had a lil’ argument over vaccinating pregnant women a few pages back, but I’m not your disagree stalker, we’re cool). However I have a question about the chicken pox. I didn’t know it could affect covid vaccinations, could you elaborate on that?
I never had the chicken pox vaccine eiher and hadn’t even heard there’s a vaccine for it until I traveled to the US for an exchange program in 2008 and had to have either the vaccine or confirmation that I’d had it. Got blood tests to confirm I had it basically asymptomatically around the same time my best friend and my sister had it when we were kids. I lucked out with that one - a former colleague got chicken pox as an adult and it was nasty. Apparently the vaccine is in our national vaccination program for kids now.
I can’t really elaborate on it - I just know that my DIL had the Pfizer vaccine and 6 days later was diagnosed with shingles (which is a reemergence of the chicken pox virus). I suspect there might be a connection between the two as she is healthy otherwise and it is very unusual for a healthy young person to suddenly come down with shingles. She has since been in contact with others online who had a similar experience- but as of now there is no data or study showing that shingles can be triggered by the vaccine. I can’t say that it was the vaccine that triggered it, but I think it is plausible at least.5 -
snowflake954 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »
I'm not sure - I just assumed she had chicken pox. My son is her same age and he didn't have the vaccine I don't think it was around back then? Or maybe it came out after he already had chicken pox he was very young when he got it.
Edit: no vaccine, she had chicken pox as a kid. The vaccine wasn't licensed in Canada until 1998 and the vaccine programs started in 2000.
Is it just me, or do others seem to have someone who disagrees with literally every post they write? Idk it just seems odd that someone would disagree with the above statements of fact. Like do they disagree that my son had chicken pox as a very young child? Or that the chicken pox vaccine was licensed in Canada in 1998? It doesn't really matter - it just really confuses me.
I feel like maybe someone has a problem with me and just disagrees with everything I post.
Go back a few pages and you'll see that other people get disagrees too. Some people are very sensitive to disagrees and may have to decide not to post if it really bothers them.
Yes I am aware everyone gets disagrees - we all have our own opinions and I get loads of disagrees on mine for sure. But when it happens on a post that is literally just me stating 1) my own experience and 2) a verifiable fact ... there is literally nothing to disagree with (except me personally). It’s like someone stating their name and age getting a disagree - it’s a bit confusing is all.5 -
I never had the chicken pox vaccine eiher and hadn’t even heard there’s a vaccine for it until I traveled to the US for an exchange program in 2008 and had to have either the vaccine or confirmation that I’d had it. Got blood tests to confirm I had it basically asymptomatically around the same time my best friend and my sister had it when we were kids. I lucked out with that one - a former colleague got chicken pox as an adult and it was nasty. Apparently the vaccine is in our national vaccination program for kids now.
I'll vouch for that. I had chicken pox at the age of 28 and I was miserably sick for 10 days. There were times when I genuinely wanted to die (part of that was a spell of very hot and humid weather at the same time, which added to my misery). It took ages to recover my stamina too, I remember needing to sit down and rest in the middle of making a bed a month later.5 -
This could be controversial, but I'm just reporting, having found it . . . remarkable.
I mentioned here that I got the Pfizer vax, shot 1, yesterday (zero side effects by the way, not even arm soreness). I also posted about it on Facebook, saying I was happy to finally get it after a long time on the waiting list.
Reply to that from someone I know (who was serious, BTW): "You're thrilled over an unknown microchip that how many doctors and experts have said only does bad things, including taking away specific emotions? Good luck".
I responded: "Giddy, even . . . so that must not be one of the problem emotions."
So: Watch out for missing emotions, I guess, vaccinated people? 😦
P.S. No, I don't believe this.23 -
missysippy930 wrote: »
I'm not sure - I just assumed she had chicken pox. My son is her same age and he didn't have the vaccine I don't think it was around back then? Or maybe it came out after he already had chicken pox he was very young when he got it.
Edit: no vaccine, she had chicken pox as a kid. The vaccine wasn't licensed in Canada until 1998 and the vaccine programs started in 2000.
Is it just me, or do others seem to have someone who disagrees with literally every post they write? Idk it just seems odd that someone would disagree with the above statements of fact. Like do they disagree that my son had chicken pox as a very young child? Or that the chicken pox vaccine was licensed in Canada in 1998? It doesn't really matter - it just really confuses me.
I feel like maybe someone has a problem with me and just disagrees with everything I post.
You’re not the only one. It happens to me, and others too. Many times, disagrees don’t make any sense, ie: personal experiences. I’ve been here a long time. Developing a thick skin helps.6 -
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missysippy930 wrote: »
I'm not sure - I just assumed she had chicken pox. My son is her same age and he didn't have the vaccine I don't think it was around back then? Or maybe it came out after he already had chicken pox he was very young when he got it.
Edit: no vaccine, she had chicken pox as a kid. The vaccine wasn't licensed in Canada until 1998 and the vaccine programs started in 2000.
Is it just me, or do others seem to have someone who disagrees with literally every post they write? Idk it just seems odd that someone would disagree with the above statements of fact. Like do they disagree that my son had chicken pox as a very young child? Or that the chicken pox vaccine was licensed in Canada in 1998? It doesn't really matter - it just really confuses me.
I feel like maybe someone has a problem with me and just disagrees with everything I post.
Yeah - disagrees happen (and btw, I know we had a lil’ argument over vaccinating pregnant women a few pages back, but I’m not your disagree stalker, we’re cool). However I have a question about the chicken pox. I didn’t know it could affect covid vaccinations, could you elaborate on that?
I never had the chicken pox vaccine eiher and hadn’t even heard there’s a vaccine for it until I traveled to the US for an exchange program in 2008 and had to have either the vaccine or confirmation that I’d had it. Got blood tests to confirm I had it basically asymptomatically around the same time my best friend and my sister had it when we were kids. I lucked out with that one - a former colleague got chicken pox as an adult and it was nasty. Apparently the vaccine is in our national vaccination program for kids now.
Speaking of vaccinating pregnant women, very small study on vaccinating lactating women just out:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ninashapiro/2021/03/04/antibodies-for-covid-19-found-in-breast-milk-after-vaccine/
Antibodies For Covid-19 Found In Breast Milk After Vaccine
"...While this study is extremely small, and the data on duration of antibodies in breast milk remains preliminary, it provides promising news that breast-fed infants of vaccinated mothers will receive a degree of protection at a time when no Covid-19 vaccine is available for this age group."5 -
missysippy930 wrote: »
I'm not sure - I just assumed she had chicken pox. My son is her same age and he didn't have the vaccine I don't think it was around back then? Or maybe it came out after he already had chicken pox he was very young when he got it.
Edit: no vaccine, she had chicken pox as a kid. The vaccine wasn't licensed in Canada until 1998 and the vaccine programs started in 2000.
Is it just me, or do others seem to have someone who disagrees with literally every post they write? Idk it just seems odd that someone would disagree with the above statements of fact. Like do they disagree that my son had chicken pox as a very young child? Or that the chicken pox vaccine was licensed in Canada in 1998? It doesn't really matter - it just really confuses me.
I feel like maybe someone has a problem with me and just disagrees with everything I post.
Yeah - disagrees happen (and btw, I know we had a lil’ argument over vaccinating pregnant women a few pages back, but I’m not your disagree stalker, we’re cool). However I have a question about the chicken pox. I didn’t know it could affect covid vaccinations, could you elaborate on that?
I never had the chicken pox vaccine eiher and hadn’t even heard there’s a vaccine for it until I traveled to the US for an exchange program in 2008 and had to have either the vaccine or confirmation that I’d had it. Got blood tests to confirm I had it basically asymptomatically around the same time my best friend and my sister had it when we were kids. I lucked out with that one - a former colleague got chicken pox as an adult and it was nasty. Apparently the vaccine is in our national vaccination program for kids now.
We now know that if you get chicken pox as a child, the virus lies dormant in your system and emerge later as shingles. They don't know for sure why some people can carry the virus and never get shingles while others do, sometimes multiple times. It seems at least in some cases the virus takes advantage of stress or illness to re emerge. There is now a chicken pox vaccine for children, I'd say within the last 10-20 years maybe? If you had chicken pox, you should get the shingles vaccine when your older, if you're younger and got the chicken pox vaccine, you don't have to worry about shingles3 -
Still a coincidence not a direct cause and effect result. I'm curious as to how you are confident enough of this to make such a definitive statement. Do you work in a related field? I'm not being facetious if you have some knowledge of it that would help me understand I am interested to hear it - I am not in the medical field I am just going on general knowledge and the research I have done.
Yes I work in a related field - I have been a nurse in a medical practice for over a decade and vaccinations is a huge part of that role.,
I am the senior nurse who is responsible for our vaccine program.
Other vaccine programs like the school program i have been involved in for 20 years.
Infectious diseases notification is part of my role too - shingles is more common in older people but not rare in people in their late 20's
I didnt say it as a definitive statement - what I said was " I would see that as a co incidence, I can't see how there could be any connection"
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Fortnight=two weeks. I've always loved that term and wished it was more common in the US. I think I learned it originally from English kid's books.
Sorry i didn't realise fortnight was not a standard term used in all English speaking countries.
I try to modify my language to forum demographics - what I call soft drink in real life i refer to as soda on here - but didn't occur to me to change "fortnight"
Sorry for digression.6 -
paperpudding wrote: »Still a coincidence not a direct cause and effect result. I'm curious as to how you are confident enough of this to make such a definitive statement. Do you work in a related field? I'm not being facetious if you have some knowledge of it that would help me understand I am interested to hear it - I am not in the medical field I am just going on general knowledge and the research I have done.
Yes I work in a related field - I have been a nurse in a medical practice for over a decade and vaccinations is a huge part of that role.,
I am the senior nurse who is responsible for our vaccine program.
Other vaccine programs like the school program i have been involved in for 20 years.
Infectious diseases notification is part of my role too - shingles is more common in older people but not rare in people in their late 20's
I didnt say it as a definitive statement - what I said was " I would see that as a co incidence, I can't see how there could be any connection"
Great can I ask you a somewhat related question then? I got my first dose (Pfizer) this week, and now it seems my gov't might cancel my second dose and stretch it out to 16 weeks in order to get more people the first dose. From what I can tell the Pfizer clinical trials efficacy of around 50% for the first dose included infections that occurred in the first 12 days, but if you exclude those the efficacy goes up to like 90% at day 21.
I think the main argument against it is that even if it is 90% efficacy at 21 days we have no idea how long that will last. But realistically we have no idea how long the immunity lasts after two doses either (do we?) And the argument for it is that the dosing schedule that Pfizer tested was based on a kind of rushed clinical trial, and just because they gave everyone a booster at 21 days doesn't necessarily mean that it was needed that soon.
It's pretty confusing for a lay person to wade through all this, just wondering if you have an opinion on the delayed second dose scenario.
I was pretty excited to get my first dose and be scheduled for my second, now it has caused me a bit of anxiety that I might have to wait for it. Although I do understand the public health angle of vaccinating more people with the first dose - and yeah it seems kind of selfish to want a second dose to boost my immunity like another 10% when others could benefit even more from a first dose.5 -
This could be controversial, but I'm just reporting, having found it . . . remarkable.
I mentioned here that I got the Pfizer vax, shot 1, yesterday (zero side effects by the way, not even arm soreness). I also posted about it on Facebook, saying I was happy to finally get it after a long time on the waiting list.
Reply to that from someone I know (who was serious, BTW): "You're thrilled over an unknown microchip that how many doctors and experts have said only does bad things, including taking away specific emotions? Good luck".
I responded: "Giddy, even . . . so that must not be one of the problem emotions."
So: Watch out for missing emotions, I guess, vaccinated people? 😦
P.S. No, I don't believe this.
I'm glad you got your first shot, I value your contributions to this place and I want you around for a long time.
Does "bad things" eh? Yikes.
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