Coronavirus prep
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paperpudding wrote: »Fortnight=two weeks. I've always loved that term and wished it was more common in the US. I think I learned it originally from English kid's books.
Sorry i didn't realise fortnight was not a standard term used in all English speaking countries.
I try to modify my language to forum demographics - what I call soft drink in real life i refer to as soda on here - but didn't occur to me to change "fortnight"
Sorry for digression.
No need to change the language -- it's an international forum and we can figure it out and maybe learn something.
Soft drink here = non-alcoholic, but when used at a restaurant or by people generally (and it's not that unusual) it typically means soda here too, or what I grew up calling pop.11 -
paperpudding wrote: »Still a coincidence not a direct cause and effect result. I'm curious as to how you are confident enough of this to make such a definitive statement. Do you work in a related field? I'm not being facetious if you have some knowledge of it that would help me understand I am interested to hear it - I am not in the medical field I am just going on general knowledge and the research I have done.
Yes I work in a related field - I have been a nurse in a medical practice for over a decade and vaccinations is a huge part of that role.,
I am the senior nurse who is responsible for our vaccine program.
Other vaccine programs like the school program i have been involved in for 20 years.
Infectious diseases notification is part of my role too - shingles is more common in older people but not rare in people in their late 20's
I didnt say it as a definitive statement - what I said was " I would see that as a co incidence, I can't see how there could be any connection"
Great can I ask you a somewhat related question then? I got my first dose (Pfizer) this week, and now it seems my gov't might cancel my second dose and stretch it out to 16 weeks in order to get more people the first dose. From what I can tell the Pfizer clinical trials efficacy of around 50% for the first dose included infections that occurred in the first 12 days, but if you exclude those the efficacy goes up to like 90% at day 21.
I think the main argument against it is that even if it is 90% efficacy at 21 days we have no idea how long that will last. But realistically we have no idea how long the immunity lasts after two doses either (do we?) And the argument for it is that the dosing schedule that Pfizer tested was based on a kind of rushed clinical trial, and just because they gave everyone a booster at 21 days doesn't necessarily mean that it was needed that soon.
It's pretty confusing for a lay person to wade through all this, just wondering if you have an opinion on the delayed second dose scenario.
I was pretty excited to get my first dose and be scheduled for my second, now it has caused me a bit of anxiety that I might have to wait for it. Although I do understand the public health angle of vaccinating more people with the first dose - and yeah it seems kind of selfish to want a second dose to boost my immunity like another 10% when others could benefit even more from a first dose.
I'm afraid I don't know the answer to your question- although I am familiar with existing vaccines and general vaccine schedules/ programs/principles i am by no means an expert on covid vaccines.
As yet the covid vaccine program in Australia has only just started and phase 1a is only being done through hospital hubs and even these have not reached my regional area yet.
We will be doing in the surgery from phase 1b onwards.
In general though, when vaccine schedules require more than one dose there is a minimum gap between doses but no maximum gap.
In other words, you can't have subsequent doses too soon but it doesn't matter if it is longer
Although of course full immunity is after the complete course.
As this applies to all other vaccines it would be very surprising if it did not apply to covid vaccines.
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@33gail33 Hopefully this article will help you clarify your question and concern:
Delay the Second Covid Vaccine Shot? What Experts Say
By John Lauerman and Jason Gale
January 24, 2021, 11:43 PM PST Updated on February 22, 2021, 1:29 PM PST
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-25/why-delaying-the-second-covid-vaccine-shot-is-messy-quicktake1 -
This could be controversial, but I'm just reporting, having found it . . . remarkable.
I mentioned here that I got the Pfizer vax, shot 1, yesterday (zero side effects by the way, not even arm soreness). I also posted about it on Facebook, saying I was happy to finally get it after a long time on the waiting list.
Reply to that from someone I know (who was serious, BTW): "You're thrilled over an unknown microchip that how many doctors and experts have said only does bad things, including taking away specific emotions? Good luck".
I responded: "Giddy, even . . . so that must not be one of the problem emotions."
So: Watch out for missing emotions, I guess, vaccinated people? 😦
P.S. No, I don't believe this.
I wonder how these people feel about things like heart pacers, metal screws and plates used to fix broken bones and modern diabetes treatment.
A colleague has type 1 diabetes and just got a new blood sugar measuring thing installed, it’s some kind of button attached to his arm that sends measurements to some app on his phone when he presses a button on the app, apparently. We had a good laugh at the office about his willingness to microchip himself and that he’s now literally a cyborg. We all unanimously congratulated him on his cool new tool that helps him monitor his health and hoped for a chance to ”microchip ourselves with covid vaccine”. (None of us think there is a microchip in the vaccine, we’re being sarcastic)
I’m kind of intrigued to know what these vaccine=microchip people would think about my colleague’s new diabetes tool.9 -
It always fascinates me that some people listen to crazy information they receive but ignore sound science? Re: emotion microchip stuff.
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This could be controversial, but I'm just reporting, having found it . . . remarkable.
I mentioned here that I got the Pfizer vax, shot 1, yesterday (zero side effects by the way, not even arm soreness). I also posted about it on Facebook, saying I was happy to finally get it after a long time on the waiting list.
Reply to that from someone I know (who was serious, BTW): "You're thrilled over an unknown microchip that how many doctors and experts have said only does bad things, including taking away specific emotions? Good luck".
I responded: "Giddy, even . . . so that must not be one of the problem emotions."
So: Watch out for missing emotions, I guess, vaccinated people? 😦
P.S. No, I don't believe this.
Bwahahahaha! Well...I guess YOU got schooled! That's literally the funniest thing I've heard all week! (Both that idiot comment and your hilarious response!) Thanks for the laugh this morning. I needed it!
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This could be controversial, but I'm just reporting, having found it . . . remarkable.
I mentioned here that I got the Pfizer vax, shot 1, yesterday (zero side effects by the way, not even arm soreness). I also posted about it on Facebook, saying I was happy to finally get it after a long time on the waiting list.
Reply to that from someone I know (who was serious, BTW): "You're thrilled over an unknown microchip that how many doctors and experts have said only does bad things, including taking away specific emotions? Good luck".
I responded: "Giddy, even . . . so that must not be one of the problem emotions."
So: Watch out for missing emotions, I guess, vaccinated people? 😦
P.S. No, I don't believe this.
I wonder how these people feel about things like heart pacers, metal screws and plates used to fix broken bones and modern diabetes treatment.
A colleague has type 1 diabetes and just got a new blood sugar measuring thing installed, it’s some kind of button attached to his arm that sends measurements to some app on his phone when he presses a button on the app, apparently. We had a good laugh at the office about his willingness to microchip himself and that he’s now literally a cyborg. We all unanimously congratulated him on his cool new tool that helps him monitor his health and hoped for a chance to ”microchip ourselves with covid vaccine”. (None of us think there is a microchip in the vaccine, we’re being sarcastic)
I’m kind of intrigued to know what these vaccine=microchip people would think about my colleague’s new diabetes tool.
In this case that I mentioned, the person who made the "microchip" comment has certainly had screws and plates, but no pacemaker that I know of. I believe she's T2D, but I'm not sure how treated. I'm certain she's had other vaccinations, too, some relatively recently, but this one is suspect, to her.
Very specific to this case, though I wouldn't generalize: This is a reasonably intelligent person, but with what I consider to be a very slight paranoid streak (not to the point of clinical symptoms). Even in her personal life, she tends to interpret events (that look neutral to me) as being about or aimed at her, and negative; she tends to think people are hiding the truth from her. She likes to feel that she has insider information that others don't have, in a hobby interest that we both share, as well as in the political sphere. She shares the "insider information" freely with others (hobby and political). She is a "do your own research" type, but that research tends to be following chains of information that appeal to her, from one source to the related next one. She doesn't reach outside the chain looking for countering opinions. In the shared-hobby realm, this habit is fine, productive and rewarding. In the political realm, it heads - for my taste - quickly way off into the deep, deep weeds.
This person is not the only one I know who has had other vaccinations (and I think would still get their kids vaccinated for the basics, if they were that age), but who believes the Covid vaccine is dangerous. This person is the most extreme case, in what they believe about it, though.
On another front, one of the most fervent across-the-board anti-vaxers I know (a different person) is also one of the most tatted up. Given what's coming out recently about some of the inks, and how they're regulated, that case makes me wonder. Not going to rip open that can of worms by asking, though. 🤷♀️5 -
Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.6 -
This could be controversial, but I'm just reporting, having found it . . . remarkable.
I mentioned here that I got the Pfizer vax, shot 1, yesterday (zero side effects by the way, not even arm soreness). I also posted about it on Facebook, saying I was happy to finally get it after a long time on the waiting list.
Reply to that from someone I know (who was serious, BTW): "You're thrilled over an unknown microchip that how many doctors and experts have said only does bad things, including taking away specific emotions? Good luck".
I responded: "Giddy, even . . . so that must not be one of the problem emotions."
So: Watch out for missing emotions, I guess, vaccinated people? 😦
P.S. No, I don't believe this.
I wonder how these people feel about things like heart pacers, metal screws and plates used to fix broken bones and modern diabetes treatment.
A colleague has type 1 diabetes and just got a new blood sugar measuring thing installed, it’s some kind of button attached to his arm that sends measurements to some app on his phone when he presses a button on the app, apparently. We had a good laugh at the office about his willingness to microchip himself and that he’s now literally a cyborg. We all unanimously congratulated him on his cool new tool that helps him monitor his health and hoped for a chance to ”microchip ourselves with covid vaccine”. (None of us think there is a microchip in the vaccine, we’re being sarcastic)
I’m kind of intrigued to know what these vaccine=microchip people would think about my colleague’s new diabetes tool.
In this case that I mentioned, the person who made the "microchip" comment has certainly had screws and plates, but no pacemaker that I know of. I believe she's T2D, but I'm not sure how treated. I'm certain she's had other vaccinations, too, some relatively recently, but this one is suspect, to her.
Very specific to this case, though I wouldn't generalize: This is a reasonably intelligent person, but with what I consider to be a very slight paranoid streak (not to the point of clinical symptoms). Even in her personal life, she tends to interpret events (that look neutral to me) as being about or aimed at her, and negative; she tends to think people are hiding the truth from her. She likes to feel that she has insider information that others don't have, in a hobby interest that we both share, as well as in the political sphere. She shares the "insider information" freely with others (hobby and political). She is a "do your own research" type, but that research tends to be following chains of information that appeal to her, from one source to the related next one. She doesn't reach outside the chain looking for countering opinions. In the shared-hobby realm, this habit is fine, productive and rewarding. In the political realm, it heads - for my taste - quickly way off into the deep, deep weeds.
This person is not the only one I know who has had other vaccinations (and I think would still get their kids vaccinated for the basics, if they were that age), but who believes the Covid vaccine is dangerous. This person is the most extreme case, in what they believe about it, though.
On another front, one of the most fervent across-the-board anti-vaxers I know (a different person) is also one of the most tatted up. Given what's coming out recently about some of the inks, and how they're regulated, that case makes me wonder. Not going to rip open that can of worms by asking, though. 🤷♀️
I like the people who believe that the "lockdowns" are the governments way of getting us used to control so that they can continue on with the restrictions forever. No idea why the government would want to keep us all locked in our homes and destroy the economy but what do I know?9 -
Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
Nobody is or was 'shooting' you
Would be interested to know via what mechanism the Dr thinks covid vaccine brought on shingles - since, as we all know, shingles is caused by re activation of chicken pox virus, dormant in your system since having the primary disease.
Or how he knows she wouldn't have shingles anyway - given young and healthy people can and do get it.7 -
Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
I would guess part of the pushback is semantics, not that you're saying anything controversial. The vaccine didn't give her shingles. Theoretically, her immune system's reaction caused a stress response, and perhaps she either had a rather virulent strain of the chicken pox virus waiting for an opening, or she is somehow predisposed to the virus in the first place and the stress of the immune response opened the door.
Since younger people seem to be having a more dramatic immune response to the vaccine with more dramatic side effects, perhaps they can tweak the vaccine for younger people as we go forward if necessary.
The key will be how many other people it happens to. A one in several million response will probably be seen as a reasonable risk to take, or honestly just a bizarre coincidence. We don't really know why some people who had chicken pox get shingles and some don't. A pediatrician was on a podcast talking about how to rise above the anti vaxx movement. She told a story of a mother who brought her baby in for some shots. In the waiting room the baby had a seizure and sadly died, and the cause could not be determined. The pediatrician noted that if that seizure which the baby would've had one way or the other had happened just an hour later, the mother would've been 100% sure the vaccines had caused the seizure. Some doctors would even be convinced of it.
I'm not saying her doctor is necessarily wrong btw (though there's no way the doctor can be sure), and I hope her case will be reported by her doctor so that if there is a pattern it will be detected. And I hope she's having a mild case!12 -
Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
I would guess part of the pushback is semantics, not that you're saying anything controversial. The vaccine didn't give her shingles. Theoretically, her immune system's reaction caused a stress response, and perhaps she either had a rather virulent strain of the chicken pox virus waiting for an opening, or she is somehow predisposed to the virus in the first place and the stress of the immune response opened the door.
Since younger people seem to be having a more dramatic immune response to the vaccine with more dramatic side effects, perhaps they can tweak the vaccine for younger people as we go forward if necessary.
The key will be how many other people it happens to. A one in several million response will probably be seen as a reasonable risk to take, or honestly just a bizarre coincidence. We don't really know why some people who had chicken pox get shingles and some don't. A pediatrician was on a podcast talking about how to rise above the anti vaxx movement. She told a story of a mother who brought her baby in for some shots. In the waiting room the baby had a seizure and sadly died, and the cause could not be determined. The pediatrician noted that if that seizure which the baby would've had one way or the other had happened just an hour later, the mother would've been 100% sure the vaccines had caused the seizure. Some doctors would even be convinced of it.
I'm not saying her doctor is necessarily wrong btw (though there's no way the doctor can be sure), and I hope her case will be reported by her doctor so that if there is a pattern it will be detected. And I hope she's having a mild case!
Right - this is exactly what I was saying in my earlier post - that it could have stressed her immune system enough to have the virus emerge. I am aware that the vaccine didn't infect her with shingles.
And yes there is no way to know 100%, it is the doctors professional opinion given the circumstances. And yes it was reported to Pfizer and the health department.
And thank you yes her case is quite mild so far.7 -
paperpudding wrote: »Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
Nobody is or was 'shooting' you
Would be interested to know via what mechanism the Dr thinks covid vaccine brought on shingles - since, as we all know, shingles is caused by re activation of chicken pox virus, dormant in your system since having the primary disease.
Or how he knows she wouldn't have shingles anyway - given young and healthy people can and do get it.
It is her professional opinion given her age, health status and the timing of the illness that it was triggered by the vaccine. I imagine she thinks it was brought on by stressing her immune system enough to reactivate the virus. Of course we will never know for sure, although as time goes on if we start seeing more cases I guess that will give more confirmation.6 -
This could be controversial, but I'm just reporting, having found it . . . remarkable.
I mentioned here that I got the Pfizer vax, shot 1, yesterday (zero side effects by the way, not even arm soreness). I also posted about it on Facebook, saying I was happy to finally get it after a long time on the waiting list.
Reply to that from someone I know (who was serious, BTW): "You're thrilled over an unknown microchip that how many doctors and experts have said only does bad things, including taking away specific emotions? Good luck".
I responded: "Giddy, even . . . so that must not be one of the problem emotions."
So: Watch out for missing emotions, I guess, vaccinated people? 😦
P.S. No, I don't believe this.
I wonder how these people feel about things like heart pacers, metal screws and plates used to fix broken bones and modern diabetes treatment.
A colleague has type 1 diabetes and just got a new blood sugar measuring thing installed, it’s some kind of button attached to his arm that sends measurements to some app on his phone when he presses a button on the app, apparently. We had a good laugh at the office about his willingness to microchip himself and that he’s now literally a cyborg. We all unanimously congratulated him on his cool new tool that helps him monitor his health and hoped for a chance to ”microchip ourselves with covid vaccine”. (None of us think there is a microchip in the vaccine, we’re being sarcastic)
I’m kind of intrigued to know what these vaccine=microchip people would think about my colleague’s new diabetes tool.
In this case that I mentioned, the person who made the "microchip" comment has certainly had screws and plates, but no pacemaker that I know of. I believe she's T2D, but I'm not sure how treated. I'm certain she's had other vaccinations, too, some relatively recently, but this one is suspect, to her.
Very specific to this case, though I wouldn't generalize: This is a reasonably intelligent person, but with what I consider to be a very slight paranoid streak (not to the point of clinical symptoms). Even in her personal life, she tends to interpret events (that look neutral to me) as being about or aimed at her, and negative; she tends to think people are hiding the truth from her. She likes to feel that she has insider information that others don't have, in a hobby interest that we both share, as well as in the political sphere. She shares the "insider information" freely with others (hobby and political). She is a "do your own research" type, but that research tends to be following chains of information that appeal to her, from one source to the related next one. She doesn't reach outside the chain looking for countering opinions. In the shared-hobby realm, this habit is fine, productive and rewarding. In the political realm, it heads - for my taste - quickly way off into the deep, deep weeds.
This person is not the only one I know who has had other vaccinations (and I think would still get their kids vaccinated for the basics, if they were that age), but who believes the Covid vaccine is dangerous. This person is the most extreme case, in what they believe about it, though.
On another front, one of the most fervent across-the-board anti-vaxers I know (a different person) is also one of the most tatted up. Given what's coming out recently about some of the inks, and how they're regulated, that case makes me wonder. Not going to rip open that can of worms by asking, though. 🤷♀️
Hey, you're friends with my aunt!
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paperpudding wrote: »Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
Nobody is or was 'shooting' you
Would be interested to know via what mechanism the Dr thinks covid vaccine brought on shingles - since, as we all know, shingles is caused by re activation of chicken pox virus, dormant in your system since having the primary disease.
Or how he knows she wouldn't have shingles anyway - given young and healthy people can and do get it.
It is her professional opinion given her age, health status and the timing of the illness that it was triggered by the vaccine. I imagine she thinks it was brought on by stressing her immune system enough to reactivate the virus. Of course we will never know for sure, although as time goes on if we start seeing more cases I guess that will give more confirmation.
Ok, so she hasn't said by what mechanism this has happened just her opinion based on something
Her age and health status wouldn't suggest it to me - since since young healthy people do get shingles.
Not as commonly as older people but by no means rare.
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Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
I would guess part of the pushback is semantics, not that you're saying anything controversial. The vaccine didn't give her shingles. Theoretically, her immune system's reaction caused a stress response, and perhaps she either had a rather virulent strain of the chicken pox virus waiting for an opening, or she is somehow predisposed to the virus in the first place and the stress of the immune response opened the door.
Since younger people seem to be having a more dramatic immune response to the vaccine with more dramatic side effects, perhaps they can tweak the vaccine for younger people as we go forward if necessary.
The key will be how many other people it happens to. A one in several million response will probably be seen as a reasonable risk to take, or honestly just a bizarre coincidence. We don't really know why some people who had chicken pox get shingles and some don't. A pediatrician was on a podcast talking about how to rise above the anti vaxx movement. She told a story of a mother who brought her baby in for some shots. In the waiting room the baby had a seizure and sadly died, and the cause could not be determined. The pediatrician noted that if that seizure which the baby would've had one way or the other had happened just an hour later, the mother would've been 100% sure the vaccines had caused the seizure. Some doctors would even be convinced of it.
I'm not saying her doctor is necessarily wrong btw (though there's no way the doctor can be sure), and I hope her case will be reported by her doctor so that if there is a pattern it will be detected. And I hope she's having a mild case!
Young people may have a stronger reaction because their immune systems haven't began to decline due to age.6 -
Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
Doctors are human beings and make wrong calls all the time, IMO. Not saying this particular case involves wrong calls. But through life, I've found out the doctor title doesn't make a person 100% intelligent on any subject.
Ex.: dh fell and separated his shoulder a couple years ago. Right after the fall dh noticed a big bump right where the injury occurred. Doctor told him it was in no way related to his fall. So wrong. After several doctors/x-rays later, it told us what his original dr. didn't.
It's up to us to be our own advocate and question things that don't sound right. Even from doctors.15 -
snowflake954 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »
I'm not sure - I just assumed she had chicken pox. My son is her same age and he didn't have the vaccine I don't think it was around back then? Or maybe it came out after he already had chicken pox he was very young when he got it.
Edit: no vaccine, she had chicken pox as a kid. The vaccine wasn't licensed in Canada until 1998 and the vaccine programs started in 2000.
Is it just me, or do others seem to have someone who disagrees with literally every post they write? Idk it just seems odd that someone would disagree with the above statements of fact. Like do they disagree that my son had chicken pox as a very young child? Or that the chicken pox vaccine was licensed in Canada in 1998? It doesn't really matter - it just really confuses me.
I feel like maybe someone has a problem with me and just disagrees with everything I post.
Go back a few pages and you'll see that other people get disagrees too. Some people are very sensitive to disagrees and may have to decide not to post if it really bothers them.
It's not about about being sensitive. It's a totally bewilderment. You see some "disagree" sometimes and think: disagree with WHAT? I have been pondering that myself this week. I was on the debate section. The DEBATE section. Someone asked a question. People disagreed. With a question.5 -
snowflake954 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »
I'm not sure - I just assumed she had chicken pox. My son is her same age and he didn't have the vaccine I don't think it was around back then? Or maybe it came out after he already had chicken pox he was very young when he got it.
Edit: no vaccine, she had chicken pox as a kid. The vaccine wasn't licensed in Canada until 1998 and the vaccine programs started in 2000.
Is it just me, or do others seem to have someone who disagrees with literally every post they write? Idk it just seems odd that someone would disagree with the above statements of fact. Like do they disagree that my son had chicken pox as a very young child? Or that the chicken pox vaccine was licensed in Canada in 1998? It doesn't really matter - it just really confuses me.
I feel like maybe someone has a problem with me and just disagrees with everything I post.
Go back a few pages and you'll see that other people get disagrees too. Some people are very sensitive to disagrees and may have to decide not to post if it really bothers them.
It's not about about being sensitive. It's a totally bewilderment. You see some "disagree" sometimes and think: disagree with WHAT? I have been pondering that myself this week. I was on the debate section. The DEBATE section. Someone asked a question. People disagreed. With a question.
But again sometimes it gets hit by mistake on the cell because it's so small and easy to do. If you're getting a lot of disagrees it means you're posting something that people don't like, or are not explaining your position very well. If you've got one or two, it can be a mistake or a crazy (they do exist). So, take it all with a grain of salt. Another tip--when you complain about disagrees you tend to get many on that post. The internet is what it is.9 -
paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
Nobody is or was 'shooting' you
Would be interested to know via what mechanism the Dr thinks covid vaccine brought on shingles - since, as we all know, shingles is caused by re activation of chicken pox virus, dormant in your system since having the primary disease.
Or how he knows she wouldn't have shingles anyway - given young and healthy people can and do get it.
It is her professional opinion given her age, health status and the timing of the illness that it was triggered by the vaccine. I imagine she thinks it was brought on by stressing her immune system enough to reactivate the virus. Of course we will never know for sure, although as time goes on if we start seeing more cases I guess that will give more confirmation.
Ok, so she hasn't said by what mechanism this has happened just her opinion based on something
Her age and health status wouldn't suggest it to me - since since young healthy people do get shingles.
Not as commonly as older people but by no means rare.paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
Nobody is or was 'shooting' you
Would be interested to know via what mechanism the Dr thinks covid vaccine brought on shingles - since, as we all know, shingles is caused by re activation of chicken pox virus, dormant in your system since having the primary disease.
Or how he knows she wouldn't have shingles anyway - given young and healthy people can and do get it.
It is her professional opinion given her age, health status and the timing of the illness that it was triggered by the vaccine. I imagine she thinks it was brought on by stressing her immune system enough to reactivate the virus. Of course we will never know for sure, although as time goes on if we start seeing more cases I guess that will give more confirmation.
Ok, so she hasn't said by what mechanism this has happened just her opinion based on something
Her age and health status wouldn't suggest it to me - since since young healthy people do get shingles.
Not as commonly as older people but by no means rare.
Honestly I wasn’t there (obviously) for the conversation and I didn’t grill my DIL on her exact wording.
So since it wouldn’t suggest it to you what would you suggest might be the cause - what is the usual trigger for shingles in young healthy people? I have mostly read that is triggered by reduced immunity, illness and/or stress. Is it more accurate that the cause is just random chance in your experience?
So correct me if I am wrong but you think it is more likely that this just occurred randomly with no identifiable stressor - than that it is somehow linked to a vaccine that directly affects the immune system? I guess to me with no other risk factor one would logically at least suspect the one risk factor that was recently introduced.
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Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
Doctors are human beings and make wrong calls all the time, IMO. Not saying this particular case involves wrong calls. But through life, I've found out the doctor title doesn't make a person 100% intelligent on any subject.
Ex.: dh fell and separated his shoulder a couple years ago. Right after the fall dh noticed a big bump right where the injury occurred. Doctor told him it was in no way related to his fall. So wrong. After several doctors/x-rays later, it told us what his original dr. didn't.
It's up to us to be our own advocate and question things that don't sound right. Even from doctors.
Of course! I have said multiple times in this convo, and I’ll say it again, we don’t know 100% for sure that the vaccine was the trigger. And probably never will unless more studies come out showing this as a side effect.
We believe that it was a factor, and two doctors agreed with that. But I am aware lots of people do not.
And to be clear - we are all still planning on taking the vaccine.9 -
Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
Doctors are human beings and make wrong calls all the time, IMO. Not saying this particular case involves wrong calls. But through life, I've found out the doctor title doesn't make a person 100% intelligent on any subject.
Ex.: dh fell and separated his shoulder a couple years ago. Right after the fall dh noticed a big bump right where the injury occurred. Doctor told him it was in no way related to his fall. So wrong. After several doctors/x-rays later, it told us what his original dr. didn't.
It's up to us to be our own advocate and question things that don't sound right. Even from doctors.
Of course! I have said multiple times in this convo, and I’ll say it again, we don’t know 100% for sure that the vaccine was the trigger. And probably never will unless more studies come out showing this as a side effect.
We believe that it was a factor, and two doctors agreed with that. But I am aware lots of people do not.
And to be clear - we are all still planning on taking the vaccine.
FWIW, you got a hug from me, not a disagree. 8 -
Doctors are human beings and make wrong calls all the time, IMO.
Agree 100%. A lot of their diagnosis seems to be based on what is most common in patient populations.
Case in point, I've had appendicitis since Jan.1. It took them 19 days to diagnose appendicitis despite characteristic lower right abdominal pain because I was initially told, "No, it can't be appendicitis, it would have ruptured by now" and "No, it can't be appendicitis, you would have been vomiting". Guess what showed up on the CT scan? An inflamed appendix. Chronic appendicitis is far more rare than acute but it does exist, yet all they considered was the acute version.16 -
Doctors are human beings and make wrong calls all the time, IMO.
Agree 100%. A lot of their diagnosis seems to be based on what is most common in patient populations.
Case in point, I've had appendicitis since Jan.1. It took them 19 days to diagnose appendicitis despite characteristic lower right abdominal pain because I was initially told, "No, it can't be appendicitis, it would have ruptured by now" and "No, it can't be appendicitis, you would have been vomiting". Guess what showed up on the CT scan? An inflamed appendix. Chronic appendicitis is far more rare than acute but it does exist, yet all they considered was the acute version.
When I worked at the hospital, I once had an ER doctor send a six-year-old to be seen in Urgent Care. Turned out she needed emergency surgery that night on her appendix.
I was in my early thirties when I got Shingles. Never thought to ask why; just a matter of 'stuff happens'.7 -
Doctors are human beings and make wrong calls all the time, IMO.
Agree 100%. A lot of their diagnosis seems to be based on what is most common in patient populations.
Case in point, I've had appendicitis since Jan.1. It took them 19 days to diagnose appendicitis despite characteristic lower right abdominal pain because I was initially told, "No, it can't be appendicitis, it would have ruptured by now" and "No, it can't be appendicitis, you would have been vomiting". Guess what showed up on the CT scan? An inflamed appendix. Chronic appendicitis is far more rare than acute but it does exist, yet all they considered was the acute version.
So frustrating to suffer for 19 days! And not to be heard! Hope you are feeling better.
There is also a prejudice angle with treatment providers not listening to patients. There is a pattern of healthcare providers disregarding certain patient demographic groups (and also worse outcomes among those groups). I always think of poor Serena Williams. She is certainly a rich and famous person. She also previously had a pulmonary embolism, so she knew what it felt like. You would think her treatment team would really pay attention to her! But no. No one in the hospital believed her. Jeez. So dangerous. So hard to wrap my head around that one.5 -
Doctors are human beings and make wrong calls all the time, IMO.
Agree 100%. A lot of their diagnosis seems to be based on what is most common in patient populations.
Case in point, I've had appendicitis since Jan.1. It took them 19 days to diagnose appendicitis despite characteristic lower right abdominal pain because I was initially told, "No, it can't be appendicitis, it would have ruptured by now" and "No, it can't be appendicitis, you would have been vomiting". Guess what showed up on the CT scan? An inflamed appendix. Chronic appendicitis is far more rare than acute but it does exist, yet all they considered was the acute version.
So frustrating to suffer for 19 days! And not to be heard! Hope you are feeling better.
There is also a prejudice angle with treatment providers not listening to patients. There is a pattern of healthcare providers disregarding certain patient demographic groups (and also worse outcomes among those groups). I always think of poor Serena Williams. She is certainly a rich and famous person. She also previously had a pulmonary embolism, so she knew what it felt like. You would think her treatment team would really pay attention to her! But no. No one in the hospital believed her. Jeez. So dangerous. So hard to wrap my head around that one.
Thanks! They opted to treat conservatively with antibiotics (which thrilled me at the time because I was getting completely worn out having my own immune system fighting the inflammation but they were so strong I ended up feeling worse, lol -- be careful what you wish for) and I'm probably at about 75% - 80% resolution now. Follow up scan is in 10 days.
That is so sad about Serena, and the overall existence of systemic biases. You'd think that medicine should be the place where a body is a body is a body.5 -
paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
Nobody is or was 'shooting' you
Would be interested to know via what mechanism the Dr thinks covid vaccine brought on shingles - since, as we all know, shingles is caused by re activation of chicken pox virus, dormant in your system since having the primary disease.
Or how he knows she wouldn't have shingles anyway - given young and healthy people can and do get it.
It is her professional opinion given her age, health status and the timing of the illness that it was triggered by the vaccine. I imagine she thinks it was brought on by stressing her immune system enough to reactivate the virus. Of course we will never know for sure, although as time goes on if we start seeing more cases I guess that will give more confirmation.
Ok, so she hasn't said by what mechanism this has happened just her opinion based on something
Her age and health status wouldn't suggest it to me - since since young healthy people do get shingles.
Not as commonly as older people but by no means rare.paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
Nobody is or was 'shooting' you
Would be interested to know via what mechanism the Dr thinks covid vaccine brought on shingles - since, as we all know, shingles is caused by re activation of chicken pox virus, dormant in your system since having the primary disease.
Or how he knows she wouldn't have shingles anyway - given young and healthy people can and do get it.
It is her professional opinion given her age, health status and the timing of the illness that it was triggered by the vaccine. I imagine she thinks it was brought on by stressing her immune system enough to reactivate the virus. Of course we will never know for sure, although as time goes on if we start seeing more cases I guess that will give more confirmation.
Ok, so she hasn't said by what mechanism this has happened just her opinion based on something
Her age and health status wouldn't suggest it to me - since since young healthy people do get shingles.
Not as commonly as older people but by no means rare.
Honestly I wasn’t there (obviously) for the conversation and I didn’t grill my DIL on her exact wording.
So since it wouldn’t suggest it to you what would you suggest might be the cause - what is the usual trigger for shingles in young healthy people? I have mostly read that is triggered by reduced immunity, illness and/or stress. Is it more accurate that the cause is just random chance in your experience?
So correct me if I am wrong but you think it is more likely that this just occurred randomly with no identifiable stressor - than that it is somehow linked to a vaccine that directly affects the immune system? I guess to me with no other risk factor one would logically at least suspect the one risk factor that was recently introduced.
Yes general triggers of reduced immunity, illness, stress and sometimes randomly with no identifiable trigger
A ctually , no, it wasn't obvious you weren't there for the conversation, your previous post came across to me that you were relaying first hand what the Dr said
Given we dont know exactly what was said and it is being relayed to us 3rd hand, and you seem to have made up your mind already, I am leaving it there.
What I think or even what the individual doctor thinks doesn't matter - what counts is scientific measurable data.7 -
paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
Nobody is or was 'shooting' you
Would be interested to know via what mechanism the Dr thinks covid vaccine brought on shingles - since, as we all know, shingles is caused by re activation of chicken pox virus, dormant in your system since having the primary disease.
Or how he knows she wouldn't have shingles anyway - given young and healthy people can and do get it.
It is her professional opinion given her age, health status and the timing of the illness that it was triggered by the vaccine. I imagine she thinks it was brought on by stressing her immune system enough to reactivate the virus. Of course we will never know for sure, although as time goes on if we start seeing more cases I guess that will give more confirmation.
Ok, so she hasn't said by what mechanism this has happened just her opinion based on something
Her age and health status wouldn't suggest it to me - since since young healthy people do get shingles.
Not as commonly as older people but by no means rare.paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
Nobody is or was 'shooting' you
Would be interested to know via what mechanism the Dr thinks covid vaccine brought on shingles - since, as we all know, shingles is caused by re activation of chicken pox virus, dormant in your system since having the primary disease.
Or how he knows she wouldn't have shingles anyway - given young and healthy people can and do get it.
It is her professional opinion given her age, health status and the timing of the illness that it was triggered by the vaccine. I imagine she thinks it was brought on by stressing her immune system enough to reactivate the virus. Of course we will never know for sure, although as time goes on if we start seeing more cases I guess that will give more confirmation.
Ok, so she hasn't said by what mechanism this has happened just her opinion based on something
Her age and health status wouldn't suggest it to me - since since young healthy people do get shingles.
Not as commonly as older people but by no means rare.
Honestly I wasn’t there (obviously) for the conversation and I didn’t grill my DIL on her exact wording.
So since it wouldn’t suggest it to you what would you suggest might be the cause - what is the usual trigger for shingles in young healthy people? I have mostly read that is triggered by reduced immunity, illness and/or stress. Is it more accurate that the cause is just random chance in your experience?
So correct me if I am wrong but you think it is more likely that this just occurred randomly with no identifiable stressor - than that it is somehow linked to a vaccine that directly affects the immune system? I guess to me with no other risk factor one would logically at least suspect the one risk factor that was recently introduced.
Yes general triggers of reduced immunity, illness, stress and sometimes randomly with no identifiable trigger
A ctually , no, it wasn't obvious you weren't there for the conversation, your previous post came across to me that you were relaying first hand what the Dr said
Given we dont know exactly what was said and it is being relayed to us 3rd hand, and you seem to have made up your mind already, I am leaving it there.
What I think or even what the individual doctor thinks doesn't matter - what counts is scientific measurable data.
Apologies - it was my DIL that told me what the doctor said - I don’t attend doctor appointments with my grown children never mind my in-laws!
One more question if you don’t mind (sorry to be a pain I am super curious about this) - what “scientifically measurable data” would be applicable here? Is there some way to determine the trigger for an individual case like this? Or any case of shingles really whatever the cause.
Isn’t Bell’s palsy also related to the chicken pox virus reactivating? I’m just reading now that the rate of Bell’s palsy in the phase 3 vaccine trials was 3.5 to 7 times the expected rate.
Anyway I am probably boring people with this now I am finding it super interesting but I’m sure no one else is. Thanks for the discussion!3 -
Doctors are human beings and make wrong calls all the time, IMO.
Agree 100%. A lot of their diagnosis seems to be based on what is most common in patient populations.
Case in point, I've had appendicitis since Jan.1. It took them 19 days to diagnose appendicitis despite characteristic lower right abdominal pain because I was initially told, "No, it can't be appendicitis, it would have ruptured by now" and "No, it can't be appendicitis, you would have been vomiting". Guess what showed up on the CT scan? An inflamed appendix. Chronic appendicitis is far more rare than acute but it does exist, yet all they considered was the acute version.
So frustrating to suffer for 19 days! And not to be heard! Hope you are feeling better.
There is also a prejudice angle with treatment providers not listening to patients. There is a pattern of healthcare providers disregarding certain patient demographic groups (and also worse outcomes among those groups). I always think of poor Serena Williams. She is certainly a rich and famous person. She also previously had a pulmonary embolism, so she knew what it felt like. You would think her treatment team would really pay attention to her! But no. No one in the hospital believed her. Jeez. So dangerous. So hard to wrap my head around that one.
I felt that way when my dad was alive. Because he was elderly, about 88, the ER dr. told him to go back to the nursing home and pinch some nurse's *kitten*. Oh yes, he sure did. He was only at the nursing home temporarily and was waiting for a pacemaker replacement. He started declining awfully fast and the dr. sent him away. The nursing home thankfully refused to take him back(because what did I know, just a pion vs. a dr.?), they shipped right to the VA hospital, had his pacemaker changed within 24 hrs. and stayed with us for a couple more years, doing very well. I know he wouldn't have lasted the week otherwise.
Sometimes elderly people truly get less attention or consideration because their time is limited anyways. To us, he was our one and only dad and we wanted him around as long as we could have him. He did very well those last 2 years.
Still makes me angry all these years later.
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paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
Nobody is or was 'shooting' you
Would be interested to know via what mechanism the Dr thinks covid vaccine brought on shingles - since, as we all know, shingles is caused by re activation of chicken pox virus, dormant in your system since having the primary disease.
Or how he knows she wouldn't have shingles anyway - given young and healthy people can and do get it.
It is her professional opinion given her age, health status and the timing of the illness that it was triggered by the vaccine. I imagine she thinks it was brought on by stressing her immune system enough to reactivate the virus. Of course we will never know for sure, although as time goes on if we start seeing more cases I guess that will give more confirmation.
Ok, so she hasn't said by what mechanism this has happened just her opinion based on something
Her age and health status wouldn't suggest it to me - since since young healthy people do get shingles.
Not as commonly as older people but by no means rare.paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
Nobody is or was 'shooting' you
Would be interested to know via what mechanism the Dr thinks covid vaccine brought on shingles - since, as we all know, shingles is caused by re activation of chicken pox virus, dormant in your system since having the primary disease.
Or how he knows she wouldn't have shingles anyway - given young and healthy people can and do get it.
It is her professional opinion given her age, health status and the timing of the illness that it was triggered by the vaccine. I imagine she thinks it was brought on by stressing her immune system enough to reactivate the virus. Of course we will never know for sure, although as time goes on if we start seeing more cases I guess that will give more confirmation.
Ok, so she hasn't said by what mechanism this has happened just her opinion based on something
Her age and health status wouldn't suggest it to me - since since young healthy people do get shingles.
Not as commonly as older people but by no means rare.
Honestly I wasn’t there (obviously) for the conversation and I didn’t grill my DIL on her exact wording.
So since it wouldn’t suggest it to you what would you suggest might be the cause - what is the usual trigger for shingles in young healthy people? I have mostly read that is triggered by reduced immunity, illness and/or stress. Is it more accurate that the cause is just random chance in your experience?
So correct me if I am wrong but you think it is more likely that this just occurred randomly with no identifiable stressor - than that it is somehow linked to a vaccine that directly affects the immune system? I guess to me with no other risk factor one would logically at least suspect the one risk factor that was recently introduced.
Yes general triggers of reduced immunity, illness, stress and sometimes randomly with no identifiable trigger
A ctually , no, it wasn't obvious you weren't there for the conversation, your previous post came across to me that you were relaying first hand what the Dr said
Given we dont know exactly what was said and it is being relayed to us 3rd hand, and you seem to have made up your mind already, I am leaving it there.
What I think or even what the individual doctor thinks doesn't matter - what counts is scientific measurable data.
Apologies - it was my DIL that told me what the doctor said - I don’t attend doctor appointments with my grown children never mind my in-laws!
One more question if you don’t mind (sorry to be a pain I am super curious about this) - what “scientifically measurable data” would be applicable here? Is there some way to determine the trigger for an individual case like this? Or any case of shingles really whatever the cause.
Isn’t Bell’s palsy also related to the chicken pox virus reactivating? I’m just reading now that the rate of Bell’s palsy in the phase 3 vaccine trials was 3.5 to 7 times the expected rate.
Anyway I am probably boring people with this now I am finding it super interesting but I’m sure no one else is. Thanks for the discussion!
It may surprise you to know that it is not unusual for family members to attend consultations together - not common, but not unusual
So when you wrote Doctor said xyz, it read to me you heard directly what he said.
Which, as you since clarified, you in fact did not.
Scientific data would be objective measurable data - like the incidence of shingles in people x age any given week is y, incidence within a week after x vaccine is that. Is x the same or greater than y.
In Australia anyway,that would be easy data to obtain - shingles is a notifiable disease, vaccines are all recorded on a national registry. Easy job for data collectors to cross reference the two and see if any correlating increase in numbers.
That is what counts,not unsubstantiated opinions
No there is no way to quantify exact trigger, if any,or several, for an individual.
Bells palsy is though to be related to swelling post viral or bacterial infections, some more commonly than others.
By no means only or mostly varicella. Many viruses.
Sometimes also occurs randomly - or without obvious pre infection.6
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