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janejellyroll wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »ExistingFish wrote: »
The shortages are not due to people buying wipes entirely, the material used is also used for PPE - so there is a manufacturing shortage.
Ah, that makes sense. Everything else is in pretty much normal supply here [Canada] except wipes. I've always preferred them for quick small clean-ups because of the dogs, as I once had a puppy decide to lick a disinfectant I'd sprayed before I had a chance to wipe it up and I never want one of my animals to ingest a toxic substance again. Anyway, I had a few tubs on hand and I've been rationing them since I haven't been able to replace them since March.
My father doesn't like colas and drinks only diet pop, and I've been unable to find anything other than diet Coke or Pepsi for about the past month. Turns out there is also a shortage of both artificial sweeteners and aluminum for cans so manufacturers have been focusing on producing their most popular flavours. So now my poor father not only doesn't leave the house, he doesn't have pop to drink.
We assumed this was why my OH's caffeine-free Coke had disappeared - thanks for confirming
Ah, now it all makes sense.
Now, who are you MONSTERS who are not adequately supporting Cherry Coke Zero, clearly the superior cola choice?
It's Limited Edition when it does appear here but I did pick up a few cases whenever I spotted them.1 -
They just announced a testing center in my state was sending in the positive results but not the negative results. They didn't give the details.
I heard about something like that in FL, but I wasn't sure it was accurate. But I heard this from the Governor in the covid daily update and the head of the Dept of Health. Why do testing centers do this? What could possibly be their motivation? Or is it really just incompetence to be able to miss that many test results?1 -
ExistingFish wrote: »They just announced a testing center in my state was sending in the positive results but not the negative results. They didn't give the details.
I heard about something like that in FL, but I wasn't sure it was accurate. But I heard this from the Governor in the covid daily update and the head of the Dept of Health. Why do testing centers do this? What could possibly be their motivation? Or is it really just incompetence to be able to miss that many test results?
They weren't missing test results is my understanding, just not reporting the number of negative tests to the state of Florida. It could quite possibly be they don't trust the government there.
Many docs and hospitals are reporting their numbers to the woman that managed the state dashboard that got fired when she was told to suppress the data. That same woman is now creating a dashboard for colleges and high schools, some of which are also trying to suppress Covid-19 spread.
Either way, Florida has been corrected. It's important to know how many people testing are negative as well to know prevalence in the community. There are also some scientists that have been saying that what you need to do is test the water treatment facilities. You can actually know, ahead of a widespread outbreak, where it is based on sewage testing, as gross as that sounds.7 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
It’s what I bought to try! Replacing the toilet seat made a big difference already, thankfully! My oldest (13) has seriously corrosive urine... during his toddler/prek years we had a toilet that was just a couple years old completely break free from the floor because the bolts were so corroded (it was a new build so I know how old they were). The toilet seat was only 3 years old and all the exposed metal pieces (screws and mounts) were rusted and crumbling. I splurged on the one that Could be completely removed for cleaning.gradchica27 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Had a lady at church that picked up a 4 pack of Lysol spray for me
She would call every morning to ask if they had gotten any in. I only use it when people are actively sick and had just a small amount left after their crazy illness run in February/March, didn’t think to restock until chaos broke out and it was too late. I use Lysol wipes on and around the toilet, but am going to switch to the enzyme bathroom cleaner I used years ago - I have two boys and the kids bathroom has a permanent pee smell. Bought a new toilet seat today, that should help, hoping the enzyme cleaner will nip what’s left.
Thanks to this thread just had the thought to restock on the one all-purpose cleaner we use on a daily basis. I bought bulk Biokleen concentrate probably 10+ years ago and it would be my luck to finally run out this winter
the spray bottle conversation triggered the thought because my daughter actually dropped and cracked the one bottle we have (also 10+ years old!) sooooo $80 just spent on Amazon! But it will last us a LONG time.
Is it BioKleen you use around the toilet? I have 4 boys 10 & under, and even w replacing all the toilet seats and cleaning under all the hardware everything still smells. Ugh. I have some BioKleen spray and the stuff I throw in the laundry w sweaty soccer stuff (used to use it w cloth diaper wash), so maybe there’s hope.
Wow!! I've never see them deteriorate like that, but I know we don't all have good aim. 😗 So maybe there's need for early training that whatever spills or misses MUST be wiped up, before it gets to smell or corrode.4 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
It’s what bought to try! Replacing the toilet seat made a big difference already, thankfully! My oldest (13) has seriously corrosive urine... during his toddler/prek years we had a toilet that was just a couple years old completely break free from the floor because the bolts were so corroded (it was a new build so I know how old they were). The toilet seat was only 3 years old and all the exposed metal pieces (screws and mounts) were rusted and crumbling. I splurged on the one that Could be completely removed for cleaning.gradchica27 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Had a lady at church that picked up a 4 pack of Lysol spray for me She would call every morning to ask if they had gotten any in. I only use it when people are actively sick and had just a small amount left after their crazy illness run in February/March, didn’t think to restock until chaos broke out and it was too late. I use Lysol wipes on and around the toilet, but am going to switch to the enzyme bathroom cleaner I used years ago - I have two boys and the kids bathroom has a permanent pee smell. Bought a new toilet seat today, that should help, hoping the enzyme cleaner will nip what’s left.
Thanks to this thread just had the thought to restock on the one all-purpose cleaner we use on a daily basis. I bought bulk Biokleen concentrate probably 10+ years ago and it would be my luck to finally run out this winter the spray bottle conversation triggered the thought because my daughter actually dropped and cracked the one bottle we have (also 10+ years old!) sooooo $80 just spent on Amazon! But it will last us a LONG time.
Is it BioKleen you use around the toilet? I have 4 boys 10 & under, and even w replacing all the toilet seats and cleaning under all the hardware everything still smells. Ugh. I have some BioKleen spray and the stuff I throw in the laundry w sweaty soccer stuff (used to use it w cloth diaper wash), so maybe there’s hope.
Wow!! I've never see them deteriorate like that, but I know we don't all have good aim. 😗 So maybe there's need for early training that whatever spills or misses MUST be wiped up, before it gets to smell or corrode.
During college I trained myself how sit vs stand. I was the only one in the apartment and soon found out the source of the stink so for over 40 years I have not stood to go to the restroom at home. Now that I live on a small non farming farm I have a lot of places to stand but I do have to watch which way the wind is blowing and the slope where I am standing.13 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »There are also some scientists that have been saying that what you need to do is test the water treatment facilities. You can actually know, ahead of a widespread outbreak, where it is based on sewage testing, as gross as that sounds.
Evidently Europe is doing this. They also save water samples periodically, so they have the ability to go back in time for historical tests. Seems really smart.7 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
It’s what I bought to try! Replacing the toilet seat made a big difference already, thankfully! My oldest (13) has seriously corrosive urine... during his toddler/prek years we had a toilet that was just a couple years old completely break free from the floor because the bolts were so corroded (it was a new build so I know how old they were). The toilet seat was only 3 years old and all the exposed metal pieces (screws and mounts) were rusted and crumbling. I splurged on the one that Could be completely removed for cleaning.gradchica27 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Had a lady at church that picked up a 4 pack of Lysol spray for me She would call every morning to ask if they had gotten any in. I only use it when people are actively sick and had just a small amount left after their crazy illness run in February/March, didn’t think to restock until chaos broke out and it was too late. I use Lysol wipes on and around the toilet, but am going to switch to the enzyme bathroom cleaner I used years ago - I have two boys and the kids bathroom has a permanent pee smell. Bought a new toilet seat today, that should help, hoping the enzyme cleaner will nip what’s left.
Thanks to this thread just had the thought to restock on the one all-purpose cleaner we use on a daily basis. I bought bulk Biokleen concentrate probably 10+ years ago and it would be my luck to finally run out this winter the spray bottle conversation triggered the thought because my daughter actually dropped and cracked the one bottle we have (also 10+ years old!) sooooo $80 just spent on Amazon! But it will last us a LONG time.
Is it BioKleen you use around the toilet? I have 4 boys 10 & under, and even w replacing all the toilet seats and cleaning under all the hardware everything still smells. Ugh. I have some BioKleen spray and the stuff I throw in the laundry w sweaty soccer stuff (used to use it w cloth diaper wash), so maybe there’s hope.
Wow!! I've never see them deteriorate like that, but I know we don't all have good aim. 😗 So maybe there's need for early training that whatever spills or misses MUST be wiped up, before it gets to smell or corrode.
When I read the intiail post, i had a thought about whether a building cheaping out on less suitable bolts might be part of that. Dunno, but for sure, certain alloys have more/less resistance to particular forms of corrosion. Bolts are cheap, but builders use a lot of them.1 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
It’s what I bought to try! Replacing the toilet seat made a big difference already, thankfully! My oldest (13) has seriously corrosive urine... during his toddler/prek years we had a toilet that was just a couple years old completely break free from the floor because the bolts were so corroded (it was a new build so I know how old they were). The toilet seat was only 3 years old and all the exposed metal pieces (screws and mounts) were rusted and crumbling. I splurged on the one that Could be completely removed for cleaning.gradchica27 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Had a lady at church that picked up a 4 pack of Lysol spray for me She would call every morning to ask if they had gotten any in. I only use it when people are actively sick and had just a small amount left after their crazy illness run in February/March, didn’t think to restock until chaos broke out and it was too late. I use Lysol wipes on and around the toilet, but am going to switch to the enzyme bathroom cleaner I used years ago - I have two boys and the kids bathroom has a permanent pee smell. Bought a new toilet seat today, that should help, hoping the enzyme cleaner will nip what’s left.
Thanks to this thread just had the thought to restock on the one all-purpose cleaner we use on a daily basis. I bought bulk Biokleen concentrate probably 10+ years ago and it would be my luck to finally run out this winter the spray bottle conversation triggered the thought because my daughter actually dropped and cracked the one bottle we have (also 10+ years old!) sooooo $80 just spent on Amazon! But it will last us a LONG time.
Is it BioKleen you use around the toilet? I have 4 boys 10 & under, and even w replacing all the toilet seats and cleaning under all the hardware everything still smells. Ugh. I have some BioKleen spray and the stuff I throw in the laundry w sweaty soccer stuff (used to use it w cloth diaper wash), so maybe there’s hope.
Wow!! I've never see them deteriorate like that, but I know we don't all have good aim. 😗 So maybe there's need for early training that whatever spills or misses MUST be wiped up, before it gets to smell or corrode.
When I read the intiail post, i had a thought about whether a building cheaping out on less suitable bolts might be part of that. Dunno, but for sure, certain alloys have more/less resistance to particular forms of corrosion. Bolts are cheap, but builders use a lot of them.
No doubt in my mind they likely cheaped out on materials! That house has been a big frustration from the beginning, and that was with us living next door, looking in on things every step of the way (caught several things before they were permanent... one big one being the back door was framed 6” over, which took up the wall space where the fridge was going. Not sure how that would have ended up had we not said something). I have trust issues with contractors now... so many things were skimped on.
We have renters in the house right now, found out recently when the 10 year old HVAC unit went out that it was, in fact, a 15 year old unit! They put a 5 year old unit in a new build! Hated that thing from Day 1, too. Loud and obnoxious.10 -
My community's been conducting wastewater testing since the 1st of May. We're on the cutting edge due to millions of tourists that pass through, increasing by a million every single year. Problem now, none of them are leaving. They're buying every parcel and acre they can get their hands on. Enormous homes going up everywhere you look. Big money folks are buying it all and moving from the coastal regions in droves.
Everyone wants what we have but they'll turn into what they've came from. It's hard for the locals to think about.13 -
My parents see that in Idaho as well - people from big city CA coming in droves for the small town life. They are buying up everything available, for cash. Makes it hard for anyone else to get a foot in the door.Diatonic12 wrote: »My community's been conducting wastewater testing since the 1st of May. We're on the cutting edge due to millions of tourists that pass through, increasing by a million every single year. Problem now, none of them are leaving. They're buying every parcel and acre they can get their hands on. Enormous homes going up everywhere you look. Big money folks are buying it all and moving from the coastal regions in droves.
Everyone wants what we have but they'll turn into what they've came from. It's hard for the locals to think about.
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I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.9
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moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.15 -
We (Finland) just got some updated government decisions. For a week or two the rule was that if a child gets flu symptoms, they must stay home until no longer symptomatic AND get a negative covid-19 test result before returning to school or daycare. Seasonal flus and colds are just starting to make their rounds, and the average child here gets two regular flu/cold infections per semester. This rule lead to huge issues: not enough testing capacity to deal with the masses of children with regular colds and the delays leading to even weeklong waits even if the child no longer has symptoms, children missing their education because schools are doing in-person learning and no online learning is available, and parents having to miss work to take care of kids at home. Some pediatricians even said the test rule could be considered child abuse as the tests were a medically unnecessary procedure that caused extra pain for children.
Now the rule was eased, testing is no longer required from kids with regular flu/cold symptoms unless there’s confirmed exposure to someone who had it or they’ve been traveling within the last two weeks. This makes a lot more sense and hopefully eases the pressure on public healthcare testing capacity, as well as the mental and financial burden on parents.5 -
I was thinking that as well, but I tend to stay quiet when they are ranting about masks and COVID regulations in general...lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.
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moonangel12 wrote: »
I was thinking that as well, but I tend to stay quiet when they are ranting about masks and COVID regulations in general...lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.
A challenge for any of us - no matter which side of this particular debate we fall on - is trying to figure out whether and how to stay friends with people around us who are very, very vociferous about their views, and (in our own view) quite wrong-headed. 🙄15 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
I was thinking that as well, but I tend to stay quiet when they are ranting about masks and COVID regulations in general...lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.
A challenge for any of us - no matter which side of this particular debate we fall on - is trying to figure out whether and how to stay friends with people around us who are very, very vociferous about their views, and (in our own view) quite wrong-headed. 🙄
I am not longer in contact with some of them. Maybe after this nightmare is over they will comeback to their senses, but in the mean time I just stay quite and so far they have been doing the same. I think that since neither of us want to break the friendship, we all understand that we better stay in our own corners.
The interesting thing is that we always knew about our different ideas, but it never made a difference and it wasn't a concern either. But in the last year, and specially after COVID, things dramatically changed.10 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
I was thinking that as well, but I tend to stay quiet when they are ranting about masks and COVID regulations in general...lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.
Yeah I expect more reports on this in the coming months, but saw this yesterday..
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/health/covid-19-reinfection-hong-kong-study/index.html4 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
I was thinking that as well, but I tend to stay quiet when they are ranting about masks and COVID regulations in general...lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.
A challenge for any of us - no matter which side of this particular debate we fall on - is trying to figure out whether and how to stay friends with people around us who are very, very vociferous about their views, and (in our own view) quite wrong-headed. 🙄
It’s really not a surprising attitude, considering how it’s been politicized since the beginning. The indications, at this point, show how spread can be somewhat contained. Top health care officials are in a position to be knowledgeable. Their advice needs to be followed. Letting it run it’s course, seems cruel. A lot more people would be sick. More would die. What’s going on at universities and colleges, across the US, is proof that, close contact, without proper, simple precautions, doesn’t work.5 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
I was thinking that as well, but I tend to stay quiet when they are ranting about masks and COVID regulations in general...lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.
A challenge for any of us - no matter which side of this particular debate we fall on - is trying to figure out whether and how to stay friends with people around us who are very, very vociferous about their views, and (in our own view) quite wrong-headed. 🙄
I am not longer in contact with some of them. Maybe after this nightmare is over they will comeback to their senses, but in the mean time I just stay quite and so far they have been doing the same. I think that since neither of us want to break the friendship, we all understand that we better stay in our own corners.
The interesting thing is that we always knew about our different ideas, but it never made a difference and it wasn't a concern either. But in the last year, and specially after COVID, things dramatically changed.
I may be different... I don't actually have any friends IRL that live close enough to see in person anyway without at least 5 hrs. drive. Mostly I stay in touch with people on social media, where I block anyone who is pig-headed and ridiculous about opposing views. I still have some friends with very different opinions, but they are reasonable even when we disagree. That hasn't changed with Covid. It is similar with family... I haven't talked to some family for years and may never again.5 -
The little bit I have gathered is they think an earlier death for some demographics would be better than months of solitude (especially in nursing home situations) which is a hard one for me to justify... who makes the final call on who lives and who dies? And not everyone feels that way. That instead of regulations for all it should just be that sick people stay home. It would be nice if it worked that way, but it’s far more complicated than that with the fact that you are contagious before symptoms, a pretty sudden onset, varying degrees of symptoms (with a good chunk of people being asymptomatic), and people being selfish who don’t want to stay home even when sick. And now them finding you don’t necessarily have immunity. They referenced South Dakota as being a good example, but that’s apples to oranges compared to more densely populated areas.missysippy930 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
I was thinking that as well, but I tend to stay quiet when they are ranting about masks and COVID regulations in general...lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have posted a couple of times about the ladies I walk with and how we see this whole thing in a totally different light. At this point, they are in the boat that we should have just let it run it’s course and we could be done with it at this point. I said that no matter what was done, hindsight would likely have us asking “what if” questions.
Given how unclear it is whether and to what extent having covid-19 confers immunity against getting it again, their view that "we could be done with it at this point" has some serious holes.
A challenge for any of us - no matter which side of this particular debate we fall on - is trying to figure out whether and how to stay friends with people around us who are very, very vociferous about their views, and (in our own view) quite wrong-headed. 🙄
It’s really not a surprising attitude, considering how it’s been politicized since the beginning. The indications, at this point, show how spread can be somewhat contained. Top health care officials are in a position to be knowledgeable. Their advice needs to be followed. Letting it run it’s course, seems cruel. A lot more people would be sick. More would die. What’s going on at universities and colleges, across the US, is proof that, close contact, without proper, simple precautions, doesn’t work.
It’s hard to be so divided, I have only recently become closer friends with them (actually due to COVID, that’s when we started meeting to walk, to get out of the house) and their thoughts and beliefs have changed drastically since the beginning.
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