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Would just anyone who suspects they had COVID-19 be able to get it or would you have to be a long hauler (still feeling sick)? My husband strongly suspects that he had it in January 2020 but didn’t qualify for testing at the time.Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »I will definitely be interested in getting this test if it is ever readily accessible....
"The first-of-its-kind test for detecting whether someone was infected withCOVID-19 in the past -- using the body's T-cells -- was granted emergency authorization by the Food and Drug Administration late Friday night."
For those who were never confirmed cases or who were tested or antibodies past the three month mark.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/fda-authorizes-cell-test-game-changer-covid-19/story?id=76318248&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=algorithm
I would guess that's going to depend on how many labs can process the test and what you're willing to pay. It says it's an expensive blood test using a new technology. So I'd expect insurance won't cover it if you're not a long hauler (if even then), at least in the beginning.
That makes sense. My husband is determined to get it and isn't worried about paying. We just wondered if he'd need a doctor's referral to get it at all.1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »I listened to a TWIV quick clinical update with some interesting stuff:
They did a quick update on the J&J vaccine now that more data has been released. They said after 28 days, J&J had a 100% effective rate as far as preventing disease requiring serious medical intervention or hospitalization. They also PCR tested everyone between 29 and 71 days after the one shot for viral particles that would show some level of asymptomatic infection leading to spread and found the vaccine was 74% effective overall. Especially considering this trial was run after some of the more worrisome variants are out there, this is another hint that the vaccines will at least greatly reduce transmission, which is kind of awesome.
Still early, but no serious side effects have been reported yet, just soar arm and fatigue. They noted that J&J uses the same vaccine platform for their ebola vaccine, which has been given to over 200,000 people over the last decade, so there is every reason to be confident in the safety.
They also mentioned that many studies are now showing no benefit to treatment with convalescent plasma, it just doesn't seem to help at all.
The standard at this point is monoclonal antibodies early in disease, and steroids in those who are very ill. If you test positive and have ANY increased risk factors, you should advocate for yourself and make sure you get the monoclonal antibody serum if at all positive.
Speaking of plasma, a branch of this place just opened near me:
https://octapharmaplasma.com/about
I thought they were going to GIVE treatments, and expected them to close again quickly. But it looks like they are collecting blood, which seems like an odd business model.
I knew some college students who basically used getting paid for their plasma as a side gig.
I don't remember the spiel I got the first few times I gave blood, but I think plasma is used in several traumatic injury type treatments. When I was donating platelets, they also used to take a bag of plasma too.
It was illegal to get paid for blood/blood component donations in NY, but now that I'm in VA I noticed there are a couple of collection businesses around here.
Yeah, I had friends in college even back in the 1970s that gave plasma for cash, at businesses like that. Don't know about now, but they used to be more common in college towns and in very low income areas or areas with a lot of unemployment/homelessness.
I sold plasma all through college (late 90/early 2000s), I don't know if that's still a common thing but I always saw a lot of fellow students when I was there.1 -
I am fully vaccinated myself and so is my husband, and I do feel that I have a higher level of protection, and less fear. However, I am not totally free of worry and I will not be until we get more people vaccinated, and have more data about the efficacy of the vaccines and their control on the new variants.
It is good to be positive and hopeful but over confidence is not in my book. I am a scientist (now retired) so I see things from a different perspective, and I am very cautious. I still practice safe distance and wear my mask everywhere and I don't go to crowed places.
Absolutely. I totally agree, and I don't know a thing about the science behind all of this. We have two adult kids living in our household who are not vaccinated, so we still have to go about life as if we aren't. The masks, handwashing, and curbside grocery shopping will go on for a while.
I was just being cheeky...
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Hypothetical: if there were no restrictions, costs, shortages and you could choose which vaccine to receive, which would you?0
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Hypothetical: if there were no restrictions, costs, shortages and you could choose which vaccine to receive, which would you?
Prob J&J since it's one and done. I think we will find when it's all said and done that they all do the job, but that's just my personal gut take based on what I've heard.11 -
Hypothetical: if there were no restrictions, costs, shortages and you could choose which vaccine to receive, which would you?
The J&J because it's a single shot and I am intensely needle phobic. I also tend to react badly to some vaccines so I'd prefer to suffer only once if that's going to happen with this one.8 -
Hypothetical: if there were no restrictions, costs, shortages and you could choose which vaccine to receive, which would you?
Prob J&J since it's one and done. I think we will find when it's all said and done that they all do the job, but that's just my personal gut take based on what I've heard.
I wondered about that, too. This article says they vary slightly, but all generally will get the job done: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/03/pfizer-moderna-and-johnson-johnson-vaccines-compared/618226/
By the grace of the gods, I should be getting the J&J vaccine this Friday from my VA hospital. My parents get their second Pfizer dose on the 26th from their county. I'm looking forward to when children can get vaccinated, just because I worry about mine.5 -
Hypothetical: if there were no restrictions, costs, shortages and you could choose which vaccine to receive, which would you?
Prob J&J since it's one and done. I think we will find when it's all said and done that they all do the job, but that's just my personal gut take based on what I've heard.
I wondered about that, too. This article says they vary slightly, but all generally will get the job done: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/03/pfizer-moderna-and-johnson-johnson-vaccines-compared/618226/
By the grace of the gods, I should be getting the J&J vaccine this Friday from my VA hospital. My parents get their second Pfizer dose on the 26th from their county. I'm looking forward to when children can get vaccinated, just because I worry about mine.
There's some data that suggests that antibody levels continue to rise well past 4 weeks after J&J. It's quite possible that 3 months after any of the vaccines, effectiveness is quite similar.
If you get an mRNA you don't reach advertised efficiency until 2 weeks after the second shot. So if I get J&J, I'm not going to consider myself "done" until 6 weeks after.
I forget which one, but one of the vaccines is now trialing ages 12-18. Im hoping at least one of them will be approved for children in time for fall.5 -
@kimny72
When will kids be able to get COVID-19 vaccines
"American high school students might be able to get vaccinated against COVID-19 by this fall, White House chief medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci said at a briefing Friday. But he said data on the safety and efficacy of vaccines for elementary school children likely won't be available until early 2022."
Starting in April, [Pfizer is] going to be studying 12-year-olds down to 5- to 6-year-olds. That will take likely one year to get the information on that, likely not until the first quarter. However we anticipate data on high school aged individuals, namely individuals 12 to 17 years old, by the beginning of fall," Fauci said, acknowledging it may come too late for "the first day of school."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-vaccine-kids-school/5 -
I’m in the Uk and 59, my first dose is scheduled for next Tuesday (husband’s is tomorrow - I’m fully expecting a full on ‘manflu’ weekend on my horizon! 😂
Pretty sure it’ll be business as usual when I get mine although I’ll be interested in the whole shingles thing since I suffer a bout of shingles every year around about Christmas - I’ve always put it down to the extra stress at that time - and I’ve had my bout for this year. If I get it again now, I guess that’ll be somewhat interesting. 🤷♀️11 -
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Hypothetical: if there were no restrictions, costs, shortages and you could choose which vaccine to receive, which would you?
Prob J&J since it's one and done. I think we will find when it's all said and done that they all do the job, but that's just my personal gut take based on what I've heard.
I wondered about that, too. This article says they vary slightly, but all generally will get the job done: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/03/pfizer-moderna-and-johnson-johnson-vaccines-compared/618226/
By the grace of the gods, I should be getting the J&J vaccine this Friday from my VA hospital. My parents get their second Pfizer dose on the 26th from their county. I'm looking forward to when children can get vaccinated, just because I worry about mine.
There's some data that suggests that antibody levels continue to rise well past 4 weeks after J&J. It's quite possible that 3 months after any of the vaccines, effectiveness is quite similar.
If you get an mRNA you don't reach advertised efficiency until 2 weeks after the second shot. So if I get J&J, I'm not going to consider myself "done" until 6 weeks after.
I forget which one, but one of the vaccines is now trialing ages 12-18. Im hoping at least one of them will be approved for children in time for fall.
I have some AHCC on hand that I kept, just in case I got Covid-19 (or my wife did). I'm also reading that AHCC, which is a very popular mushroom supplement in Japan that's derived from mushrooms, boosts the effectiveness of the flu vaccine. There are numerous studies going on currently to see if it does the same for the Covid-19 vaccine. It allegedly boosts the number of antibodies and also the T-Cell response.
There was a lot of talk a few pages back about shingles. AHCC is also very effective at lessening the symptoms of shingles if you get them. It's also been demonstrated to clear certain potentially dangerous HPV infections. I do wonder if it could also significantly help with long haulers.3 -
Hypothetical: if there were no restrictions, costs, shortages and you could choose which vaccine to receive, which would you?
Prob J&J since it's one and done. I think we will find when it's all said and done that they all do the job, but that's just my personal gut take based on what I've heard.
I wondered about that, too. This article says they vary slightly, but all generally will get the job done: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/03/pfizer-moderna-and-johnson-johnson-vaccines-compared/618226/
By the grace of the gods, I should be getting the J&J vaccine this Friday from my VA hospital. My parents get their second Pfizer dose on the 26th from their county. I'm looking forward to when children can get vaccinated, just because I worry about mine.
There's some data that suggests that antibody levels continue to rise well past 4 weeks after J&J. It's quite possible that 3 months after any of the vaccines, effectiveness is quite similar.
If you get an mRNA you don't reach advertised efficiency until 2 weeks after the second shot. So if I get J&J, I'm not going to consider myself "done" until 6 weeks after.
I forget which one, but one of the vaccines is now trialing ages 12-18. Im hoping at least one of them will be approved for children in time for fall.
There is some debate about this because the clinical trials gave everyone a second shot (Pfizer) at 21 days, but now there is some evidence that immunity continues to rise even before the second shot is given. Studies are suggesting that the first shot provides fairly good immunity from 21 days, even without a second shot. The clinical trials were rushed, so the original dosing schedule was the only one tested.
I am HOPING that this is accurate, because my second dose was scheduled for April 6, and now they have pushed it back to June 28. In Canada they have decided that it is more important for as many people as possible to get the first dose and the second will be given 16 weeks later.
I was against it at first, but if the first shot gives me say 85% immunity then it really doesn't make sense to give me a second one to boost that to 95%, when someone else who has 0 immunity could get a first shot. The one caveat is that we don't know how long the first shot immunity lasts, but realistically we don't know how long immunity lasts from the second shot either - it's all too new.
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Hypothetical: if there were no restrictions, costs, shortages and you could choose which vaccine to receive, which would you?
The J&J because it's a single shot and I am intensely needle phobic. I also tend to react badly to some vaccines so I'd prefer to suffer only once if that's going to happen with this one.
FWIW I had Pfizer and it is the tiniest little needle ever and you don't even feel it!
(I recently had an antibiotic shot for a dog bite, which if you have ever had one is brutal, this was nothing like that.)7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »I listened to a TWIV quick clinical update with some interesting stuff:
They did a quick update on the J&J vaccine now that more data has been released. They said after 28 days, J&J had a 100% effective rate as far as preventing disease requiring serious medical intervention or hospitalization. They also PCR tested everyone between 29 and 71 days after the one shot for viral particles that would show some level of asymptomatic infection leading to spread and found the vaccine was 74% effective overall. Especially considering this trial was run after some of the more worrisome variants are out there, this is another hint that the vaccines will at least greatly reduce transmission, which is kind of awesome.
Still early, but no serious side effects have been reported yet, just soar arm and fatigue. They noted that J&J uses the same vaccine platform for their ebola vaccine, which has been given to over 200,000 people over the last decade, so there is every reason to be confident in the safety.
They also mentioned that many studies are now showing no benefit to treatment with convalescent plasma, it just doesn't seem to help at all.
The standard at this point is monoclonal antibodies early in disease, and steroids in those who are very ill. If you test positive and have ANY increased risk factors, you should advocate for yourself and make sure you get the monoclonal antibody serum if at all positive.
Speaking of plasma, a branch of this place just opened near me:
https://octapharmaplasma.com/about
I thought they were going to GIVE treatments, and expected them to close again quickly. But it looks like they are collecting blood, which seems like an odd business model.
I knew some college students who basically used getting paid for their plasma as a side gig.
I don't remember the spiel I got the first few times I gave blood, but I think plasma is used in several traumatic injury type treatments. When I was donating platelets, they also used to take a bag of plasma too.
It was illegal to get paid for blood/blood component donations in NY, but now that I'm in VA I noticed there are a couple of collection businesses around here.
Yeah, I had friends in college even back in the 1970s that gave plasma for cash, at businesses like that. Don't know about now, but they used to be more common in college towns and in very low income areas or areas with a lot of unemployment/homelessness.
I sold plasma all through college (late 90/early 2000s), I don't know if that's still a common thing but I always saw a lot of fellow students when I was there.
Same...college, late 90s/through early 2000s...I sold plasma for my beer money.1 -
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paperpudding wrote: »Good to see this thread reinstated!
Yes--it's a Time Capsule.10 -
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