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Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.3
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Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
I too am very happy for Australian and New Zealand.4 -
kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
Here in Massachusetts our vax rollout has been horrendous. Wednesday, Gov. Charlie Baker announced that people accompanying those over 75 to mass vaccination sites could also sign up for a shot, which prompted posts on Craigslist soliciting seniors, outrage by teachers (who are not in a priority group) and others waiting patiently for shots, and this bit on The Daily Show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-xnNdB68w&t=122s
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/02/11/massachusetts-vaccine-eligibility-companions-craigslist
I guess if the alternative is that an elderly person can't get there on their own so doesn't get a shot - it makes sense? At this point in our supposed "rollout" I really don't care who they give the odd extra shot to as long as someone is getting it.
I agree. I feel like there's not enough public recognition of the fact that each person vaccinated is one less (or 0.7 less or whatever the effective rate of that dose) potential transmission vector and one less (0.7 less) opportunity for a mutation to create a virus variant that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. Especially if I haven't gotten vaccinated yet.11 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
Here in Massachusetts our vax rollout has been horrendous. Wednesday, Gov. Charlie Baker announced that people accompanying those over 75 to mass vaccination sites could also sign up for a shot, which prompted posts on Craigslist soliciting seniors, outrage by teachers (who are not in a priority group) and others waiting patiently for shots, and this bit on The Daily Show:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-xnNdB68w&t=122s
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/02/11/massachusetts-vaccine-eligibility-companions-craigslist
I guess if the alternative is that an elderly person can't get there on their own so doesn't get a shot - it makes sense? At this point in our supposed "rollout" I really don't care who they give the odd extra shot to as long as someone is getting it.
I agree. I feel like there's not enough public recognition of the fact that each person vaccinated is one less (or 0.7 less or whatever the effective rate of that dose) potential transmission vector and one less (0.7 less) opportunity for a mutation to create a virus variant that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. Especially if I haven't gotten vaccinated yet.
I thought that a vaccinated individual was still able to carry and transmit the virus, that the vaccine just prevented the vaccinated person from developing more serious symptoms, requiring medical treatment, hospitalization, etc.
Or maybe I'm just not up to date on the latest results?6 -
Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
IMO it’s scary how quick people are to surrender their freedoms and how quickly governments are ready to take them..4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
Here in Massachusetts our vax rollout has been horrendous. Wednesday, Gov. Charlie Baker announced that people accompanying those over 75 to mass vaccination sites could also sign up for a shot, which prompted posts on Craigslist soliciting seniors, outrage by teachers (who are not in a priority group) and others waiting patiently for shots, and this bit on The Daily Show:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-xnNdB68w&t=122s
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/02/11/massachusetts-vaccine-eligibility-companions-craigslist
I guess if the alternative is that an elderly person can't get there on their own so doesn't get a shot - it makes sense? At this point in our supposed "rollout" I really don't care who they give the odd extra shot to as long as someone is getting it.
I agree. I feel like there's not enough public recognition of the fact that each person vaccinated is one less (or 0.7 less or whatever the effective rate of that dose) potential transmission vector and one less (0.7 less) opportunity for a mutation to create a virus variant that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. Especially if I haven't gotten vaccinated yet.
I thought that a vaccinated individual was still able to carry and transmit the virus, that the vaccine just prevented the vaccinated person from developing more serious symptoms, requiring medical treatment, hospitalization, etc.
Or maybe I'm just not up to date on the latest results?
I think that originally they were saying that to be cautious because they aren't really sure. The Astra Zeneca vaccine does appear to substantially reduce transmission rates. Not sure about the others but I would imagine they would as well.
At any rate even if it stops more people from getting sick and needing hospitalization it still benefits us all I think. Needing health care and not being able to access it is a huge fear of mine right now.13 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
I too am very happy for Australian and New Zealand.
The state of Victoria (Melbourne is the capital) is now under quarantine for five days since Friday, due to an outbreak of COVID in a Holiday Inn quarantine hotel. The Australia Open is being played without spectators. That is the latest information that I got, and I don't know if it changed in the last 24 hours.3 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
Here in Massachusetts our vax rollout has been horrendous. Wednesday, Gov. Charlie Baker announced that people accompanying those over 75 to mass vaccination sites could also sign up for a shot, which prompted posts on Craigslist soliciting seniors, outrage by teachers (who are not in a priority group) and others waiting patiently for shots, and this bit on The Daily Show:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-xnNdB68w&t=122s
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/02/11/massachusetts-vaccine-eligibility-companions-craigslist
I guess if the alternative is that an elderly person can't get there on their own so doesn't get a shot - it makes sense? At this point in our supposed "rollout" I really don't care who they give the odd extra shot to as long as someone is getting it.
I agree. I feel like there's not enough public recognition of the fact that each person vaccinated is one less (or 0.7 less or whatever the effective rate of that dose) potential transmission vector and one less (0.7 less) opportunity for a mutation to create a virus variant that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. Especially if I haven't gotten vaccinated yet.
I thought that a vaccinated individual was still able to carry and transmit the virus, that the vaccine just prevented the vaccinated person from developing more serious symptoms, requiring medical treatment, hospitalization, etc.
Or maybe I'm just not up to date on the latest results?
My understanding is they fully expect the mRNA vaccines will also stop people from spreading the virus, they just don't have enough data yet to determine that.5 -
Any risk of having this virus is not worth taking. First, the manor of ones death! I don't welcome pain. Nor do I want to inflict the virus on those living with me or heaven forbit looking after me as I pass. Second, is the pain it inflicts on ones immediate and extended family, the void one leaves, then their friends who hold them together. Third, so many people missing from the face of the earth, each was making a valid contribution no matter how small. Many are those who selflessly went about their jobs ensuring the hospitalised were cared for were lost to the virus, then the unsung hero's who ensured the dead are buried, the living fed and cared for as well as cleaned up after. I embrace personal responsibility. Together we will come through. Hopefully it will make us better people world wide, all are .12
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Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
IMO it’s scary how quick people are to surrender their freedoms and how quickly governments are ready to take them..
They are not surrendering their freedoms. They are smart citizens and realize the terrible implications for having this awful virus spread all over their cities and country. They care about their health, and the health of their families and communities. Better to be in lock-down for few days that being 6-feet-under for ever...
You have a 99% chance of not getting covid and if you do the survival rate is 97%; pardon me, but I’m not ready to lose my livelihood and freedoms over a virus that I have a .001% chance of dying from...
The death rate doesn't tell the whole story though. Somewhere around 15 - 20% of cases require hospitalization. If the virus were to spread unchecked in a major city, the sheer numbers of cases would overload the available health resources, and then those 15 - 20% of people who require hospital care wouldn't get it. And since they are not getting the care they need, more of them will die.
Yes the death rate is low, because thankfully people are getting the care they need. Earlier in January, in my city, we were on the brink of not being able to provide that to people due to a surge in cases. I also know of two people who have had their cancer surgeries postponed due to lack of hospital capacity. One of them is now dead.17 -
I think that people who protest because mask mandates infringe on their rights are hilarious. I hate to break it to them but every health bylaw infringes on your rights. I don't see anyone protesting to go barefoot in the mall.21
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
Here in Massachusetts our vax rollout has been horrendous. Wednesday, Gov. Charlie Baker announced that people accompanying those over 75 to mass vaccination sites could also sign up for a shot, which prompted posts on Craigslist soliciting seniors, outrage by teachers (who are not in a priority group) and others waiting patiently for shots, and this bit on The Daily Show:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-xnNdB68w&t=122s
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/02/11/massachusetts-vaccine-eligibility-companions-craigslist
I guess if the alternative is that an elderly person can't get there on their own so doesn't get a shot - it makes sense? At this point in our supposed "rollout" I really don't care who they give the odd extra shot to as long as someone is getting it.
I agree. I feel like there's not enough public recognition of the fact that each person vaccinated is one less (or 0.7 less or whatever the effective rate of that dose) potential transmission vector and one less (0.7 less) opportunity for a mutation to create a virus variant that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. Especially if I haven't gotten vaccinated yet.
I thought that a vaccinated individual was still able to carry and transmit the virus, that the vaccine just prevented the vaccinated person from developing more serious symptoms, requiring medical treatment, hospitalization, etc.
Or maybe I'm just not up to date on the latest results?
I just read two different articles recently that talked about how the Pfizer vax (that was the one they were specifically following in the study) lowers the viral load, so that even if you do get COVID after the vax, you have a lower chance of passing it to others because you aren't shedding as much virus as a non-vaccinated person would.13 -
A region in North Queensland. We have seen very little of it. We had a politician way back come and luckily nothing much came from it. We still have sanitiser in every shop and most try to social distance. No masks needed yet.3 -
Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
IMO it’s scary how quick people are to surrender their freedoms and how quickly governments are ready to take them..
Wow. You'd rather see your loved ones die than close a boarder to stop the spread? I do not agree at all.12 -
Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
Melbourne is experiencing a small outbreak of the UK mutant strain at the moment and has gone into a five day lockdown (across all of the state of Victoria) which may or may not be extended. In addition, a number of Australian states and territorities have locked out Victorian travellers and any residents who have returned home from Victoria are expected to home quarantine.3 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
My over-70 parents with pre-existing conditions have not been able to get the vaccine yet...they are in Illinois. My Dad JUST was able to schedule an appointment for February 25th. My Mom still doesn't have one.
The state just announced that they are expanding the eligible pool to people of any age with certain conditions, like diabetes and obesity.
There are no appointments to be had in the most populous areas of the state, and they want to throw millions more people into that pool of people fighting for slots.
In Chicago and Cook County (high-density populations), they told the state that they are NOT dong that expansion right now. They haven't even finished vaccinating healthcare workers, much less making a dent in the elderly population.
Ugh, good old Illinois. I feel bad saying that I was able to get my first dose in Lake County today as an Early Intervention provider as part of the educators group (after a snafu yesterday). That really sucks that your parents have had to wait longer, and they're just one county away. Seriously! Could they not disperse these more evenly based on population?
I scheduled through the Lake County allvax portal and had to do it at a school, but do to the misunderstanding at my scheduled appointment yesterday they said I couldn't do it there. I tried to see if I could get an appointment at a pharmacy, and of course there were no appointments available.8 -
A region in North Queensland. We have seen very little of it. We had a politician way back come and luckily nothing much came from it. We still have sanitiser in every shop and most try to social distance. No masks needed yet.
My daughter lived in Brisbane for a year. She loves it there.2 -
Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
IMO it’s scary how quick people are to surrender their freedoms and how quickly governments are ready to take them..
Which freedoms are those? I'm feeling pretty free and grateful for it. This was my Saturday night: Six60 Concert
Though, that said, we have just now had an announcement of three new cases in one family where the source of infection is not yet known. One family member works at an airport laundry service, so there seems to be a likelihood that it's border-related (all but one of our other current cases are returnees from overseas, and the other one is the partner of a returnee). I don't know yet what the implications this time will be in terms of lockdowns, but we'll do what we need to do. It will depend on the genomic testing and if any other cases are found.
In other news, vaccines are on the way to us - we are expecting our first batch in the coming week, with border staff to start being vaccinated from next weekend, followed by their household contacts/close family members. I'm not sure how the sequence of the rollout will go after that, but I'll be at the bottom of the list and that's going to be months away yet.11 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
Here in Massachusetts our vax rollout has been horrendous. Wednesday, Gov. Charlie Baker announced that people accompanying those over 75 to mass vaccination sites could also sign up for a shot, which prompted posts on Craigslist soliciting seniors, outrage by teachers (who are not in a priority group) and others waiting patiently for shots, and this bit on The Daily Show:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-xnNdB68w&t=122s
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/02/11/massachusetts-vaccine-eligibility-companions-craigslist
I guess if the alternative is that an elderly person can't get there on their own so doesn't get a shot - it makes sense? At this point in our supposed "rollout" I really don't care who they give the odd extra shot to as long as someone is getting it.
I agree. I feel like there's not enough public recognition of the fact that each person vaccinated is one less (or 0.7 less or whatever the effective rate of that dose) potential transmission vector and one less (0.7 less) opportunity for a mutation to create a virus variant that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. Especially if I haven't gotten vaccinated yet.
I thought that a vaccinated individual was still able to carry and transmit the virus, that the vaccine just prevented the vaccinated person from developing more serious symptoms, requiring medical treatment, hospitalization, etc.
Or maybe I'm just not up to date on the latest results?
My understanding is they fully expect the mRNA vaccines will also stop people from spreading the virus, they just don't have enough data yet to determine that.
That's much more promising than the initial reports. Thanks for the update, I haven't been following it lately since my chances of getting vaccinated within the next year look pretty low.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
Here in Massachusetts our vax rollout has been horrendous. Wednesday, Gov. Charlie Baker announced that people accompanying those over 75 to mass vaccination sites could also sign up for a shot, which prompted posts on Craigslist soliciting seniors, outrage by teachers (who are not in a priority group) and others waiting patiently for shots, and this bit on The Daily Show:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-xnNdB68w&t=122s
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/02/11/massachusetts-vaccine-eligibility-companions-craigslist
I guess if the alternative is that an elderly person can't get there on their own so doesn't get a shot - it makes sense? At this point in our supposed "rollout" I really don't care who they give the odd extra shot to as long as someone is getting it.
I agree. I feel like there's not enough public recognition of the fact that each person vaccinated is one less (or 0.7 less or whatever the effective rate of that dose) potential transmission vector and one less (0.7 less) opportunity for a mutation to create a virus variant that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. Especially if I haven't gotten vaccinated yet.
I don’t have any evidence to substantiate this, but I feel like the vaccine probably is cutting transmission by a lot. Locally our rates have dropped sharply since January, starting at a time when they would have been expected to still be climbing from the holiday surge. I believe the change is because healthcare professionals were vaccinated. Since local tracing found that the largest single traceable source of infections was healthcare (with 65% being no known origin) it makes sense that stopping doctors, nurses, and healthcare workers from spreading it would show results quickly.12 -
Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
IMO it’s scary how quick people are to surrender their freedoms and how quickly governments are ready to take them..
Which freedoms are those? I'm feeling pretty free and grateful for it. This was my Saturday night: Six60 Concert
Though, that said, we have just now had an announcement of three new cases in one family where the source of infection is not yet known. One family member works at an airport laundry service, so there seems to be a likelihood that it's border-related (all but one of our other current cases are returnees from overseas, and the other one is the partner of a returnee). I don't know yet what the implications this time will be in terms of lockdowns, but we'll do what we need to do. It will depend on the genomic testing and if any other cases are found.
In other news, vaccines are on the way to us - we are expecting our first batch in the coming week, with border staff to start being vaccinated from next weekend, followed by their household contacts/close family members. I'm not sure how the sequence of the rollout will go after that, but I'll be at the bottom of the list and that's going to be months away yet.
Following up from the earlier announcement, New Zealand is now changing our Alert Level. Auckland will be moving into level 3 (highest is 4, and 3 is still a pretty tight lockdown). The rest of the country is going to level 2, which isn't too bad.
This is currently for 3 days while they check contacts and movements of the affected people. Then we shall see!6 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
My over-70 parents with pre-existing conditions have not been able to get the vaccine yet...they are in Illinois. My Dad JUST was able to schedule an appointment for February 25th. My Mom still doesn't have one.
The state just announced that they are expanding the eligible pool to people of any age with certain conditions, like diabetes and obesity.
There are no appointments to be had in the most populous areas of the state, and they want to throw millions more people into that pool of people fighting for slots.
In Chicago and Cook County (high-density populations), they told the state that they are NOT dong that expansion right now. They haven't even finished vaccinating healthcare workers, much less making a dent in the elderly population.
Yeah, all this. My sister's SO (who is a health care worker) did get vaccinated, and an older co-worker (71) who signed up through the Cook Co portal, but after the first couple days being strong our numbers are abysmal. A friend can't figure out how to sign her grandma in the burbs up at all (at least the Cook Co sign up seems to work, as that's how my co worker got his appt and I've signed up although I don't expect anything pre summer).
Another older friend in the Cook Co burbs is convinced Chicagoans are getting better treatment, but I see no evidence of that.
On the other hand, a much lower percentage of our doses (and I believe we do have a major shortage of doses) have been used than in WI or MI, so I'm a bit suspicious (and judgy) about why: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/. IMO, giving out the vaccine quickly to those who want it should be the number 1 thing and no other political concerns should interfere. This is in the interest of overall public health.8 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
My over-70 parents with pre-existing conditions have not been able to get the vaccine yet...they are in Illinois. My Dad JUST was able to schedule an appointment for February 25th. My Mom still doesn't have one.
The state just announced that they are expanding the eligible pool to people of any age with certain conditions, like diabetes and obesity.
There are no appointments to be had in the most populous areas of the state, and they want to throw millions more people into that pool of people fighting for slots.
In Chicago and Cook County (high-density populations), they told the state that they are NOT dong that expansion right now. They haven't even finished vaccinating healthcare workers, much less making a dent in the elderly population.
Yeah, all this. My sister's SO (who is a health care worker) did get vaccinated, and an older co-worker (71) who signed up through the Cook Co portal, but after the first couple days being strong our numbers are abysmal. A friend can't figure out how to sign her grandma in the burbs up at all (at least the Cook Co sign up seems to work, as that's how my co worker got his appt and I've signed up although I don't expect anything pre summer).
Another older friend in the Cook Co burbs is convinced Chicagoans are getting better treatment, but I see no evidence of that.
On the other hand, a much lower percentage of our doses (and I believe we do have a major shortage of doses) have been used than in WI or MI, so I'm a bit suspicious (and judgy) about why: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/. IMO, giving out the vaccine quickly to those who want it should be the number 1 thing and no other political concerns should interfere. This is in the interest of overall public health.
I signed up through the Lake County Allvax portal, which I only found out about because as part of my job I work for a state-funded therapy program as speech therapist. I got an email to inform me when they changed the 1b category to include educators in the vaccine eligibility group. I had gotten a memo from the Early Intervention chief addressed to all EI providers (therapy services for the 0-3 population, a state-funded program) that we were considered early childhood education personnel and therefore would be considered part of that group. When I got the notification that my vax was ready, I was given only 2 places to get the vaccine--both high schools. When I went to my appointment, the "screeners" told me because I didn't work directly for a school I couldn't get it there. Obviously, there was some miscommunication somewhere. I tried to rescheduled for a local pharmacy, but of course there were no appointments to be had, even when I changed my category to healthcare worker (which I am). I rescheduled for a different high school and brought a copy of the memo, plus a physical copy of my provider credentials, and after initial confusion the "head guy" let me through.
I will say that the actual process of getting the vaccine was well-organized and ran smoothly, though. I was joking with my husband last night that some Chicago politicians were probably paying to get their friends and families vaccinated before they were supposed to be eligible.7 -
FWIW, a couple things I heard today in a Zoom meeting with one of my elder orphans group (this one mostly people in greater Detroit area), but can’t independently substantiate:
* Some people have found that sites giving vaccinations have a local (site-specific) wait list. To get on it, must go in person, and be willing to show up quickly if called. The purpose is to use up vaccine that was from scheduled appointments that didn’t show up, in order to avoid wasting vaccine. Most of the people in this Zoom group would be currently eligible here, but report friends or relatives who are not yet eligible having been able to get a vaccination through this mechanism. The 2nd shot is scheduled at the time the first happens, just as it would be for people in the officially eligible groups.
* A nurse in the group, someone not given to wild theories, said that scammers are dumpster diving at pharmacies giving the shots, finding vax vials, and selling the vaccine. Beware of for-pay options, for this and other obvious reasons.
Here in Michigan, anecdotally (what friends say about their experience), things seem to be going reasonably smoothly, limited mainly by vaccine supply. There are some complaints about how vaccine is being distributed (e.g., doesn’t seem to match up with sub-population sizes associated with each site), but that’s all I’ve heard.
Teacher friends’ vaccinations seem to have been arranged through their school districts (maybe in collaboration with health departments, not sure). The congregate care facilities like elder homes are getting vaccine distribution through major pharmacy chains. Some front-line workers (health care workers for sure, perhaps others), have some arrangement through the employer, in most cases.
For the general public, my county health department, various health care organizations (e.g. hospital systems), and pharmacies are using online signup, then one is contacted when eligible to make an appointment. That contact is usually email, though I’ve heard some reports about phone calls.
I’ve heard first-person reports on two local county health deparments’ processes. My county seems to be distributing via a drive-through site (huge exhibition building with multiple drive-in doors), with reasonable wait times, and all done in-car. Another county is running a drive through at a mall (maybe a disused auto service or car dealer building, not sure?), also smooth. One county is distributing via a pharmacy chain, also reported to be smooth, indoors but good safety practices and reasonable wait. Only one bad report, from a pharmacy in a big retail department/grocery chain, with long waits, poor safety practices with masks/distancing among patrons (but mentioned as a store location that tends to be poorly managed overall.)
Main complaints are the difficulty in finding where to sign up, having to sign up in multiple places, no communication about where one is in the priority queue (usually we get an initial acknowledgement, then nothing until the “make an appointment” email), doctors offices not offering vaccines at normal appointments. Frankly, in the big picture of this being a new thing with limited supplies, I think those are pretty small potatoes, personally.
I’m still waiting for my number to come up, as part of the less urgent segment of group 1B here.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
Here in Massachusetts our vax rollout has been horrendous. Wednesday, Gov. Charlie Baker announced that people accompanying those over 75 to mass vaccination sites could also sign up for a shot, which prompted posts on Craigslist soliciting seniors, outrage by teachers (who are not in a priority group) and others waiting patiently for shots, and this bit on The Daily Show:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-xnNdB68w&t=122s
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/02/11/massachusetts-vaccine-eligibility-companions-craigslist
I guess if the alternative is that an elderly person can't get there on their own so doesn't get a shot - it makes sense? At this point in our supposed "rollout" I really don't care who they give the odd extra shot to as long as someone is getting it.
I agree. I feel like there's not enough public recognition of the fact that each person vaccinated is one less (or 0.7 less or whatever the effective rate of that dose) potential transmission vector and one less (0.7 less) opportunity for a mutation to create a virus variant that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. Especially if I haven't gotten vaccinated yet.
I thought that a vaccinated individual was still able to carry and transmit the virus, that the vaccine just prevented the vaccinated person from developing more serious symptoms, requiring medical treatment, hospitalization, etc.
Or maybe I'm just not up to date on the latest results?
I probably shouldn't even have made the first point, as it is the second one that I think is really overlooked. Viruses can't replicate on their own. They need to get inside our cells to do that. Vaccines help stop the viruses from getting inside our cells. If they can't get inside our cells, they can't replicate. Replication is when mutations occur. The variants that are of such concern right now are mutations. The more people who get infected, the more opportunity for mutations and variations that could be more lethal, more transmissible, or more resistant to the vaccines.
Anybody getting vaccinated helps me, even though I haven't gotten vaccinated yet. As much as I don't want to get covid, I really don't want to get a more lethal variant of covid.7 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That was initially a thought of why the impact of the virus skewed males over 50 in Wuhan. Damage from being a long-term smoker. The studies I saw cited smoking being more prevalent in men than women in that region.3 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »I think that because smoking damages the lungs and Covid attacks the lungs and heart, smokers are at higher risk of serious illness and fatality. It's frustrating that my 81 year old diabetic husband has to wait in line with the 25 year old smoker, but it is easier for us to hole up than it might be for someone younger who needs to work. We can wait.
That’s terrible. Where are you that 81 year olds aren’t already vaccinated? In TN we are down to 70+ now.
I was looking at the latest info and at present diabetes is 1c in TN, along with 55+. I’m 52. So if I were just three years older, I would be eligible from my age at the same time as my diabetes, which seems nuts to me.
Also, what stops people from claiming to smoke? Or even starting to smoke, just to get the vaccine?
My over-70 parents with pre-existing conditions have not been able to get the vaccine yet...they are in Illinois. My Dad JUST was able to schedule an appointment for February 25th. My Mom still doesn't have one.
The state just announced that they are expanding the eligible pool to people of any age with certain conditions, like diabetes and obesity.
There are no appointments to be had in the most populous areas of the state, and they want to throw millions more people into that pool of people fighting for slots.
In Chicago and Cook County (high-density populations), they told the state that they are NOT dong that expansion right now. They haven't even finished vaccinating healthcare workers, much less making a dent in the elderly population.
Your mom should go with him, they might jab her too. My dad got an appt because he's 76, my mom didn't because she's 74. When they showed up, they weren't asked who had an appt they just did them both. Obviously that's going to be different in different places, but it can't hurt to try if they can.
She definitely should go with him. I volunteer at the campus vaccination site (campus is confusing, and while the site runs well, getting to it is not intuitive as we’re not using the main entrance) and we are (granted, won’t be the same everywhere) vaccinating both people of an older couple comes in together. Appointments have been an issue and we don’t want people out and about more than is minimally necessary.3 -
Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
IMO it’s scary how quick people are to surrender their freedoms and how quickly governments are ready to take them..
And give them back. It was temporary and they’ve gone the summer COVID-free (except in Auckland for a few weeks in August and again now—three-day lockdown). Short-term sacrifice of the many that saved lives, and saved survivors from long term damage from the effects of the virus.
Meanwhile, we’re (US) closing in on 500,000 dead. 😞18 -
Mockchock is in Australia. Their Government closed their borders early on and instituted a daily intake numbers and quarantine hotels to keep the virus out and its been working. I'm pleased for the Australian and New Zealand peoples who did similarly.
IMO it’s scary how quick people are to surrender their freedoms and how quickly governments are ready to take them..
And give them back. It was temporary and they’ve gone the summer COVID-free (except in Auckland for a few weeks in August and again now—three-day lockdown). Short-term sacrifice of the many that saved lives, and saved survivors from long term damage from the effects of the virus.
Meanwhile, we’re (US) closing in on 500,000 dead. 😞
And also saved a lot of people going through partial lockdown for months. Of course they have a few lockdown rules long term, but not as many, Not as strict, and not as confusing as some Of us are going through.
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