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Theoldguy1 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I wouldn't be booking anything overseas anywhere for now. There is no guarantee Aussies will be allowed into NZ anytime soon. Only time will tell. Could be a long time yet.
Also I find it crazy sports people are playing still if they aren't 100% sure they don't have Covid. Really. Dumb. Who are the nut jobs in charge that are allowing it to happen without properly testing everyone? Guess money is more important than a couple of weeks off beforehand to make sure everyone is safe. I feel sorry for their families more than anything since they'll be catching it off the players.
Athletes, coaches, etc on sports teams are all tested on a daily basis. Players can also opt out of practicing and playing if they choose.
That daily testing doesn't seem to be working very well does it? Someone a page or two back said they were catching it while playing their sport so obviously they to go into isolation for two weeks before a game. When we had the Australian Open tennis on and international players arrived they had to go into isolation. Some of them got tested before flying over and got here with Covid!
The problem with mitigation testing, even if it's daily, is that it's still just a snapshot of that moment in time. With uncertainty about when exactly a person becomes contagious vs when they test positive for the virus, it's not a perfect system.
Profesional team sports are very different than the one-off events like a tennis tournament.
Pro leagues cannot have their players isolate for the duration of their seasons. Their seasons are many months long, they play multiple times per week and practice nearly every day. They travel, although some leagues here (pro hockey and basketball), have altered their schedules to try to limit travel. You can't ask someone, even someone with a multi-million dollar contract, to stay away from their families for 6 months.
Pro sports is big business, and is still bleeding money, as many teams are still playing in empty arenas. Lots of jobs depend on this industry...and not just the jobs of millionaires and billionaires, so there's a great desire to make it work, even with the risks involved.
We ask our service people here in the US to stay away from there families for 6 months on a regular basis and they don't have multimillion $ contracts. God bless them.
With that said, I do hope we can make sports work.
As a military veteran...we sign up for that...it's literally part of the job.
Thanks for your service
Understand but it is still a hardship. A pro athlete making millions of $ a year really doesn't have much quality family time in a typical season. It may be a bit of a drag to be away from family more but this sacrifice is letting them continue to earn enough money that they will be somewhat set up financially for life..
I wasn't the one who hit the disagree...but I do disagree in that baseball just as an example wanted players to go into a "bubble" last year and that was a non-starter and players threatened to just not play...it was only a few months and their pay was being docked anyway so the consensus amongst the players was that we either play as normally as possible or we just don't do squat which would have cost MLB billions of dollars, not to mention all of the other jobs that go along with supporting it. Other sports aren't really conducive to a bubble approach...like the NFL for example. What city has enough stadiums and facilities to host practices and games for 32 teams every week? Even when basketball did it, it was limited to certain teams, not the entire NBA.
Given the data we have, playing sports has not resulted in significant spread and when players and teams are inflicted, they are also isolated and schedules are rearranged. IMO, professional sports organizations have actually handled things very well with what amounts to a handful of positive cases over the last year. I just don't see shutting down multiple multi billion dollar industries for the handful of cases that may arise from them but are also quickly handled and handled properly. These players face substantial fines and other sanctions for breaking the COVID protocols put forth by their respective leagues. I'm all for mitigation, but I also think you have to keep things going to whatever extent possible. I am both opposed to full shutdowns as well as just flinging the doors wide open as is happening in some states...there is a medium where risk can be mitigated and where things can continue with good mitigation protocols.7 -
Just popping in with my daily dose of cheery news ... About COVID sufferers suffering from brain disorders after recovery. 😞https://abc7.com/health/1-in-3-covid-19-survivors-suffers-brain-disease-study-finds/10494640/6
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Our Kroger has taken down all their mask required signs at the doors. The state wide mandate ended Monday and people are taking advantage of it. I will still wear a mask until I have had both shots.
Shot 1 is tomorrow morning so we shall see how it goes
Good for you, but I still do and will wear a mask inside any store, and I am fully vaccinated. I will wait for the CDC and health authorities to guide me.8 -
SummerSkier wrote: »I had an almost immediate reaction to the 2nd Pfizer jab yesterday. It was a drive thru and the line yesterday was crazy long. I was in the car for almost 2 hrs before I got my shot (so I already had to pee like crazy AND had a headache). Anyway, no sooner had the gal came by to write the 15 minute mark on my windshield when I felt my heart start racing. I looked at my watch and it was strange to see it shoot up from the 70's to over 160 within just a few seconds. So I honked my horn a couple times to get their attention and the EMT came over. I know that the increased heart rate could be the first sign of a really bad reaction so I did not wait. But after it spiked up it started to slowly come back down and I never had any trouble breathing or felt too faint. I put my recliner back and my legs up. And then I just waited for about another 30 minutes or so with the EMT checking every 5 min on me. When my HR looked like it was going to stay around 90 or below I left and drove home. And that was it. Altho I am not 24 hrs in yet my arm is a little sore (like the first one) but I did manage a short walk without issues. I think my temp is up just a hair over 98 which is not normal for me in the am when it is usually 97 or so. Luckily I do know deep breathing relaxation exercises so I was doing those most of the time while I was waiting as the EMT thought it might be an anxiety reaction. hahah. might be?? I had NO reaction to the first time except my arm being sore and maybe a small headache and tiredness. maybe. I will take it easy and no running today and possibly tomorrow because the heart thing was pretty dreadful.
Sorry about your post-vaccine event Bon, and glad that you called the EMT for assistance. You were probably dehydrated and tired after a long wait. Hope that you are doing better today, just don't exert yourself. G.4 -
Just popping in with my daily dose of cheery news ... About COVID sufferers suffering from brain disorders after recovery. 😞https://abc7.com/health/1-in-3-covid-19-survivors-suffers-brain-disease-study-finds/10494640/
I've read about that. It seems there is an inflammation in the spinal fluid that is causing it. I believe they found C Reactive protein in areas of the brain that it shouldn't exist. Though, the belief is, over time, it will settle down. I think they believe that antivirals will help over time.
There is a bright side to this. It's my personal opinion that a lot of illnesses have latent viruses behind them -- Fibromyalgia, Lupus, certain cancers, Lyme Disease, possibly Chronic Fatigue. I think in better understanding the source of these stealth viruses that don't go completely away and spending money on them will possibly help many more conditions than just Covid-19 long haulers. The long haulers are very similar to other conditions, it's just brought more attention to it, IMHO.
Edit -- it seems the scientific community is torn on if there might be a viral infection of the brain versus Autoimmune Encephilitis (inflammation of the brain caused by antibodies, but not a viral infection, where basically the body attacks the brain, like in other organ related autoimmune conditions).9 -
One statistic rolled out at us in the UK is, there are 1 per 1000 general clots/thrombosis events in women on the pill. I ask how quick are the medical profession in picking these up in the event they happen. Where as there are 1 per 100000 clots in the vaccinated cohort. If my noughts are the right number. Why oh why is it permissible for women taking the contraceptive pill to be at this greater risk acceptable as well as having their natural systems overridden. Is it because they are preventing unwanted or "would be inconvenient" pregnancies. Against the "risk" being deemed unacceptable for those using the vaccine. Its not as if, now we know about it, there are no actions to combat the headaches and other vascular symptoms occurring 4 to 16 days after vaccination. I'm hearing, If you have no clotting events after the first you do not get it with the second. The number of age related deaths attributed to covid per 100000 who have the cirus were more than in either of these complications.
Europe are quantifying the risks and highlighting the clotting as a possible issue, being aware and providing treatment. The UK is offering the Modena to under 30's. Still leaves the question, when the effectivity of the vaccines are, when the dose is complete is 90% apx, why are we accepting lesser effective vaccines for other conditions? I know the flu vaccines are an educated guess as to which variants of many contenders will be prevalent this coming season.
It has crossed my mind that, many of the symptoms of long covid echo endocrine problems. Its not beyond the realms of possibility that damage to the body by covid infection could include the multifaceted endocrine issues.1 -
Our Kroger has taken down all their mask required signs at the doors. The state wide mandate ended Monday and people are taking advantage of it. I will still wear a mask until I have had both shots.
Shot 1 is tomorrow morning so we shall see how it goes
Good for you, but I still do and will wear a mask inside any store, and I am fully vaccinated. I will wait for the CDC and health authorities to guide me.
I should have been clearer, but I agree with you. I will be masking up in large group situations (like stores) until the CDC says it is okay. I'm not going to just throw away the mask after my second shot.
I get my shot in about an hour. My nerves are a bit high, mostly about possible side effects. I know shot 1 doesn't seem to cause as many as shot 2, but I am still planning on the worst.11 -
Our Kroger has taken down all their mask required signs at the doors. The state wide mandate ended Monday and people are taking advantage of it. I will still wear a mask until I have had both shots.
Shot 1 is tomorrow morning so we shall see how it goes
Good for you, but I still do and will wear a mask inside any store, and I am fully vaccinated. I will wait for the CDC and health authorities to guide me.
I should have been clearer, but I agree with you. I will be masking up in large group situations (like stores) until the CDC says it is okay. I'm not going to just throw away the mask after my second shot.
I get my shot in about an hour. My nerves are a bit high, mostly about possible side effects. I know shot 1 doesn't seem to cause as many as shot 2, but I am still planning on the worst.
My husband got his 1st the other day--Pfizer. He hardly felt it, no after effects and no sore arm. Sheesh.7 -
I’m getting my 2nd Moderna shot this morning. Will continue to mask up and follow basic protocols. Just an observation, I don’t know anyone that’s had a common cold this year. Perhaps an extra benefit of masks, social distancing, and hand washing.15
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missysippy930 wrote: »I’m getting my 2nd Moderna shot this morning. Will continue to mask up and follow basic protocols. Just an observation, I don’t know anyone that’s had a common cold this year. Perhaps an extra benefit of masks, social distancing, and hand washing.
And allergies! Usually by this time of year I'm on 4-6 pills, sprays, and inhalers just to breathe inside, never mind venturing outdoors for any length of time. With masks, I'm walking my dog outside two hours or so a day and still just on my regular 2-3 maintenance meds.10 -
missysippy930 wrote: »I’m getting my 2nd Moderna shot this morning. Will continue to mask up and follow basic protocols. Just an observation, I don’t know anyone that’s had a common cold this year. Perhaps an extra benefit of masks, social distancing, and hand washing.
And allergies! Usually by this time of year I'm on 4-6 pills, sprays, and inhalers just to breathe inside, never mind venturing outdoors for any length of time. With masks, I'm walking my dog outside two hours or so a day and still just on my regular 2-3 maintenance meds.
This! My allergies are mild this year! I usually take 2-3 different allergy medications, plus nasal, eye drops, and inhaler. I am still just taking my daily 1 pill.
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One statistic rolled out at us in the UK is, there are 1 per 1000 general clots/thrombosis events in women on the pill. I ask how quick are the medical profession in picking these up in the event they happen. Where as there are 1 per 100000 clots in the vaccinated cohort. If my noughts are the right number. Why oh why is it permissible for women taking the contraceptive pill to be at this greater risk acceptable as well as having their natural systems overridden. Is it because they are preventing unwanted or "would be inconvenient" pregnancies. Against the "risk" being deemed unacceptable for those using the vaccine. Its not as if, now we know about it, there are no actions to combat the headaches and other vascular symptoms occurring 4 to 16 days after vaccination. I'm hearing, If you have no clotting events after the first you do not get it with the second. The number of age related deaths attributed to covid per 100000 who have the cirus were more than in either of these complications.
Europe are quantifying the risks and highlighting the clotting as a possible issue, being aware and providing treatment. The UK is offering the Modena to under 30's. Still leaves the question, when the effectivity of the vaccines are, when the dose is complete is 90% apx, why are we accepting lesser effective vaccines for other conditions? I know the flu vaccines are an educated guess as to which variants of many contenders will be prevalent this coming season.
It has crossed my mind that, many of the symptoms of long covid echo endocrine problems. Its not beyond the realms of possibility that damage to the body by covid infection could include the multifaceted endocrine issues.
Because they are not balancing the risk of getting the vaccine with the risk of being on the pill. They are balancing it with the risk of dying of covid.
At a certain point in the younger cohort, the risks associated with the vaccine outweigh the risks associated with contracting covid in that individual. That is why they are recommending to continue using it in older age groups, where the risk of clots is still there, but is lesser than the risk of a severe covid outcome.
There are risks of side effects with everything, but at a certain point the risk of a severe vaccine reaction becomes unacceptable - so 1 in a million might be an acceptable number, where 1 in 100,000 might not.
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AlphaHowls wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »I’m getting my 2nd Moderna shot this morning. Will continue to mask up and follow basic protocols. Just an observation, I don’t know anyone that’s had a common cold this year. Perhaps an extra benefit of masks, social distancing, and hand washing.
And allergies! Usually by this time of year I'm on 4-6 pills, sprays, and inhalers just to breathe inside, never mind venturing outdoors for any length of time. With masks, I'm walking my dog outside two hours or so a day and still just on my regular 2-3 maintenance meds.
This! My allergies are mild this year! I usually take 2-3 different allergy medications, plus nasal, eye drops, and inhaler. I am still just taking my daily 1 pill.
I wish I could say the same. My allergies (and sinusitis) are worse than ever. it has been a bad windy season in my neck of the woods, and since we have flowers, grass, and seeds all year round they have been flying everywhere, including the sand. Rinse, nose spray, eye drops. nothing seems to help. Not even a mask.
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I wish I could say the same. My allergies (and sinusitis) are worse than ever. it has been a bad windy season in my neck of the woods, and since we have flowers, grass, and seeds all year round they have been flying everywhere, including the sand. Rinse, nose spray, eye drops. nothing seems to help. Not even a mask.
Mine have been horrible as well even with the mask and not going outside as often.7 -
One statistic rolled out at us in the UK is, there are 1 per 1000 general clots/thrombosis events in women on the pill. I ask how quick are the medical profession in picking these up in the event they happen. Where as there are 1 per 100000 clots in the vaccinated cohort. If my noughts are the right number. Why oh why is it permissible for women taking the contraceptive pill to be at this greater risk acceptable as well as having their natural systems overridden. Is it because they are preventing unwanted or "would be inconvenient" pregnancies. Against the "risk" being deemed unacceptable for those using the vaccine.
It irks me too that the side effects of women’s hormonal birth control are not taken as seriously. I’m still pissed off by the news I read a few years ago that there was a men’s birth control pill in development, but the research was stopped because they found such severe side effects and complications that it was ”unbearable” and ”unethical” and whatnot for the male participants in the study. I agreed with that, until I read the list of these side effects... and it was the same list that women’s birth control pills have, yet they are treated as normal for women. I’m not advocating that men get medical treatments that cause bad side effects, I’m advocating that women’s treatments are considered with the same amount of care and concern.
With covid vaccines, I think the quick reaction stems from the fact that we rely on vaccines to open societies and economies, and can’t afford people declining the vaccine on a mass scale. With birth control and reproductive health, women have a larger variety of different options, even though I feel like most of those options come with some level of shame and blame and different societies (and parts of societies) have very different ideas of what’s acceptable.17 -
The difference between the covid vaccine and the birth control pill is that we are trying to get everyone to get the vaccine, so minimizing the risks is paramount. Women are not encouraged or even pressured to get on the pill by society. I was on the pill for 15+ years and in fact I had to constantly be reminded of the risks by my doctor, I was told by multiple busybodies that it was "bad" for me, and eventually my doctor pressured me to stop taking it because of my age and the risks. I was the one who decided the risk was acceptable.
As a society, we are urgently asking everyone to get vaccinated, so we are paying extra attention to the risks, and perhaps even over reacting. Vaccines are a completely different situation from prescribed medication geared towards an individual's specific health needs.10 -
The difference between the covid vaccine and the birth control pill is that we are trying to get everyone to get the vaccine, so minimizing the risks is paramount. Women are not encouraged or even pressured to get on the pill by society. I was on the pill for 15+ years and in fact I had to constantly be reminded of the risks by my doctor, I was told by multiple busybodies that it was "bad" for me, and eventually my doctor pressured me to stop taking it because of my age and the risks. I was the one who decided the risk was acceptable.
As a society, we are urgently asking everyone to get vaccinated, so we are paying extra attention to the risks, and perhaps even over reacting. Vaccines are a completely different situation from prescribed medication geared towards an individual's specific health needs.
Moreover, I think it's common to be reacting to the risks (list of what can happen), not so much about the occurrence incidence of the risked outcome, let alone the relative risk. Pregnancy and birth involve serious risks. Not becoming pregnant reduces risks on that side of things, increases risks from drug side effects. What matters is the comparative. In the Covid vaccine case, the better news articles are speaking explicitly about the relative risk of the drug side effect, vs. the combined risk of (contracting Covid + having severe side effects from disease), as well as the detectability/treatability of the two risk scenarios, in realistic circumstances.
As an aside, with AZ, I think it may be narrowed down to a smaller sub-population that's at higher risk of that side effect, but we're just not at that point yet, so the relative risk question is more generalized, imprecise.
Personally, I've taken multiple drugs that have *death* as a measurable-incidence direct side effect. I took them for a disease that, untreated, quite uniformly results in death within a few years for nearly everyone who has that disease, at that severity. These are *very* dangerous drugs. That level of risk would be unacceptable if pure risk were all that mattered. The same drugs would not be approved to treat less severe health conditions. It's *relative* risk that matters, treated vs. untreated.
P.S. I'm not intending to be speaking to the sex/gender equality issues here. I heard the same things as a PP about the trials for men's contraceptive pills, but I didn't investigate the incidence of those risks in the trial vs. women's contraceptives. Therefore, I don't feel well-informed enough to opine.
Further - and I know some will consider this unreasonable - the *relative* risk will be much different for men.
Men don't become pregnant, so they have zero risk from pregnancy or childbirth. That would change the evaluation of the drugs, in trials, realistically. Whether that's fair or right is a whole different discussion - in some ways more similar to the vax discussion, actually, as we take some vaccines not only to protect ourselves, but also to protect others. Still, I believe the evaluation in trials for vaccine is generally about the risk tradeoffs for the individual, not for society at large.
Personally, I was fortunate to have a long-term marriage in which my male partner was willing to assume some annoyance/inconvenience/unpleasantness around birth control methods, in order to spare my taking drugs.6 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »I’m getting my 2nd Moderna shot this morning. Will continue to mask up and follow basic protocols. Just an observation, I don’t know anyone that’s had a common cold this year. Perhaps an extra benefit of masks, social distancing, and hand washing.
Personally I'd be happy to trade a cold or 2 during the season to get rid of the masks and social distancing when Covid "goes away".
That seems rational, but also situational.
Mid-last-year, a scan said that I appear to have early COPD. (No, not a smoker. Lived with smokers most of my life.)
A light dawned, for me. Frequent bronchitis is a common thing, from my reading, for those with COPD. Possibly, this is why every Winter I tend to get at least one respiratory bug that turns into weeks of persistent cough. (That's why I even had the scan, actually - been coughing for weeks, after a bug I'm pretty sure I got from the woman on the next bike at spin class). I haven't had any respiratory conditions this year.
That definitely colors my plans for the future. While I do look forward to a less constrained life soon, compared to where I am now, I foresee some masking and certain types of social distancing in certain scenarios in my future, longer-term. I don't plan to stay shut in my house solo, however.
(For clarity, I'm not suggesting *others* need to continue masking/distancing for my sake. I'm merely saying that I've learned things from the pandemic constraints that will change my personal behavior a bit in future - certainly for my own sake, and in flu season perhaps the things I'd do to protect others.)14 -
The difference between the covid vaccine and the birth control pill is that we are trying to get everyone to get the vaccine, so minimizing the risks is paramount. Women are not encouraged or even pressured to get on the pill by society. I was on the pill for 15+ years and in fact I had to constantly be reminded of the risks by my doctor, I was told by multiple busybodies that it was "bad" for me, and eventually my doctor pressured me to stop taking it because of my age and the risks. I was the one who decided the risk was acceptable.
As a society, we are urgently asking everyone to get vaccinated, so we are paying extra attention to the risks, and perhaps even over reacting. Vaccines are a completely different situation from prescribed medication geared towards an individual's specific health needs.
Moreover, I think it's common to be reacting to the risks (list of what can happen), not so much about the occurrence incidence of the risked outcome, let alone the relative risk. Pregnancy and birth involve serious risks. Not becoming pregnant reduces risks on that side of things, increases risks from drug side effects. What matters is the comparative. In the Covid vaccine case, the better news articles are speaking explicitly about the relative risk of the drug side effect, vs. the combined risk of (contracting Covid + having severe side effects from disease), as well as the detectability/treatability of the two risk scenarios, in realistic circumstances.
As an aside, with AZ, I think it may be narrowed down to a smaller sub-population that's at higher risk of that side effect, but we're just not at that point yet, so the relative risk question is more generalized, imprecise.
Personally, I've taken multiple drugs that have *death* as a measurable-incidence direct side effect. I took them for a disease that, untreated, quite uniformly results in death within a few years for nearly everyone who has that disease, at that severity. These are *very* dangerous drugs. That level of risk would be unacceptable if pure risk were all that mattered. The same drugs would not be approved to treat less severe health conditions. It's *relative* risk that matters, treated vs. untreated.
P.S. I'm not intending to be speaking to the sex/gender equality issues here. I heard the same things as a PP about the trials for men's contraceptive pills, but I didn't investigate the incidence of those risks in the trial vs. women's contraceptives. Therefore, I don't feel well-informed enough to opine.
Further - and I know some will consider this unreasonable - the *relative* risk will be much different for men.
Men don't become pregnant, so they have zero risk from pregnancy or childbirth. That would change the evaluation of the drugs, in trials, realistically. Whether that's fair or right is a whole different discussion - in some ways more similar to the vax discussion, actually, as we take some vaccines not only to protect ourselves, but also to protect others. Still, I believe the evaluation in trials for vaccine is generally about the risk tradeoffs for the individual, not for society at large.
Personally, I was fortunate to have a long-term marriage in which my male partner was willing to assume some annoyance/inconvenience/unpleasantness around birth control methods, in order to spare my taking drugs.
The point of risks vs. responsibility on individual and population level is really interesting. As I’m currently not medically qualified to receive a covid vaccine and rely on people around me getting it to bring infection rates down and reopen society, I would feel less comfortable about pressing others to take the vaccine if the side effects weren’t taken as seriously. And yes, I do press, but only those who are nearest and dearest, like my husband whose only objection to vaccines is a slight fear of needles, so it’s a comfort zone thing for him but getting vaxxed when his turn comes will protect his wife and baby as he’s my single most likely source of infection. How much responsibility we can assume individuals take about wellbeing of others and the society in general is a whole different, very philosophical question. We already have soldiers fighting our wars, nurses and doctors taking huge personal risks in covid care units, firefighters charging into burning buildings and so on. At least here, state of emergency gives the government powers to draft medically trained personnel to do emergency work, regardless of whether they like the job, have switched careers, are retired or whatever. Quite a similar process to drafting military reserves for war. It hasn’t been done and I hope it doesn’t need to be done, but it’s an example of a personal health risk those trained individuals would be legally forced to take to serve the society.
The relative risk point is also an interesting one. I understand that these drug tests revolve around medical risks, but I wish risks like quality of life, cost, and the ways drugs alter other life risks were considered more. Pregnancy and childbirth are extreme examples that don’t only carry medical risks for women, they are also huge life-altering events that come with a lifetime of responsibility to actively do something about it (abortion, adoption and raising a child are all options that carry life-altering consequences, the point here is not to discuss morality of different options). There’s a whole other set of issues with how those risks regarding children are shared between men and women and how they affect people’s futures in all imaginable ways.
As a smaller scale example of non-medical risks and side effects to consider, I have alopecia and a couple of years ago my dermatologist put me on a new drug. The process of using the drug was awful, destroyed my mood and prevented me from accepting my situation and learning to live with it. These mental health effects didn’t come from anything the drug did physically or chemically, they came from the process of applying that drug and it reminding me of my illness every day. In the end, after discussing with my doctor, we decided to quit the drug because the prescription was more of a ”this sometimes works” thing, and the chance of it working for me was so much smaller than the already witnessed decrease in mental health and quality of life. In my case, the risk outweighed the potential benefit even though the risk wasn’t directly a medical one caused by the drug. Of course, it’s worth noting that alopecia itself isn’t life-threatening in any way (unless you count increased skin cancer risk on exposed scalp), so tolerated side effects are smaller.8 -
Australian Update- as of yesterday, AZ has now been discontinued for people under 50 unless benefit considered higher in high risk situations
Given our almost non existent community transmission this will probably only mean workers in quarantine and front line heath.
People under 50 who have already had first dose with no issues can still have second dose.
Big setback for roll out of vaccine - Drs surgeries and pharmacies will it not have medical freezer storage facilities for Pfizer and the country doesn't have sufficient supply of Pfizer.8 -
In Belgium, AZ has been halted for a period of one month for the -55. This buys the country time to further evaluate without compromising the speed of vaccination.
In case a -55 is already scheduled with AZ, they can still get the vaccine if they wish to do so. I am personally not in this case (as a very healthy 51 year old, I will have to wait for a few months to get a vaccine, but if it were the case I would give my permission.
If you look at the risk, it is so ridiculously low. I take far greater risks whenever I step into a car, or simply stand on a chair (I could fall off and crack my skull on a table), or certainly whenever I go diving. Don't get me started on my motion sickness meds...
It is inherent that living comes with risks, and it is our duty to assess them and make an informed decision without letting fear get in the way of a purposeful and happy life.
I certainly do not intend to say that the investigation into the deaths that have been associated with AZ should not be taken seriously. It should be thoroughly studied, but so far - imo - the extremly low likelihood of side effects or even death does not outweigh all the physical risks and societal issues related to covid.10 -
Our Kroger has taken down all their mask required signs at the doors. The state wide mandate ended Monday and people are taking advantage of it. I will still wear a mask until I have had both shots.
Shot 1 is tomorrow morning so we shall see how it goes
Good for you, but I still do and will wear a mask inside any store, and I am fully vaccinated. I will wait for the CDC and health authorities to guide me.
I should have been clearer, but I agree with you. I will be masking up in large group situations (like stores) until the CDC says it is okay. I'm not going to just throw away the mask after my second shot.
I get my shot in about an hour. My nerves are a bit high, mostly about possible side effects. I know shot 1 doesn't seem to cause as many as shot 2, but I am still planning on the worst.
Quoting for an update. Got my shot yesterday morning. As the day went on my fatigue levels got worse and worse. Now, I do have chronic fatigue, so I don't have as much energy to play with. Still, by mid afternoon, I was in bed napping and the rest of the evening I barely got out of bed unless I HAD to.
As of this morning the fatigue is still holding on strong, my arm just hurts and I can barely move it, I ache all over, and I feel blah. You know the feeling when your body is fighting something, but it's not anything serious. You just feel yucky? That feeling. I ended up ordering in food last night because there was no way I was going to cook and got something that allowed me to have plenty left over for tonight.
So it's not horrible and I am sure my chronic health issues have made it worse. Still 100% worth it. I will just plan for the worst when it comes to shot #2 on May 6th.20 -
I had the second Moderna shot yesterday. Slight tenderness after the first shot. From the second one, my arm is sore and aches. A slight headache, low energy and no appetite (could be a good thing).11
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missysippy930 wrote: »I had the second Moderna shot yesterday. Slight tenderness after the first shot. From the second one, my arm is sore and aches. A slight headache, low energy and no appetite (could be a good thing).
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missysippy930 wrote: »I had the second Moderna shot yesterday. Slight tenderness after the first shot. From the second one, my arm is sore and aches. A slight headache, low energy and no appetite (could be a good thing).
How is your daughter? Did she recover OK?
Thanks for asking. ❤️ She’s feeling much better, off quarantine yesterday. She lost her sense of smell and taste. She had a teleconference with her doctor on Tuesday. Her doctor told her that’s a common side effect, but there’s no way of telling how long it will last. Some people are regaining taste and smell after receiving the vaccine. Some regain naturally, some are still experiencing it, some never experienced this.
She’s supposedly immune for 90 days, so she’ll refrain from getting the vaccine until summer at least so others, who need it more can be vaccinated.
She also asked about donating plasma. Her doctor said to contact the state health department.
Her doctor also told her to allow 2 weeks until our vaccine is fully effective before visiting us.8 -
SummerSkier wrote: »I had an almost immediate reaction to the 2nd Pfizer jab yesterday. It was a drive thru and the line yesterday was crazy long. I was in the car for almost 2 hrs before I got my shot (so I already had to pee like crazy AND had a headache). Anyway, no sooner had the gal came by to write the 15 minute mark on my windshield when I felt my heart start racing. I looked at my watch and it was strange to see it shoot up from the 70's to over 160 within just a few seconds. So I honked my horn a couple times to get their attention and the EMT came over. I know that the increased heart rate could be the first sign of a really bad reaction so I did not wait. But after it spiked up it started to slowly come back down and I never had any trouble breathing or felt too faint. I put my recliner back and my legs up. And then I just waited for about another 30 minutes or so with the EMT checking every 5 min on me. When my HR looked like it was going to stay around 90 or below I left and drove home. And that was it. Altho I am not 24 hrs in yet my arm is a little sore (like the first one) but I did manage a short walk without issues. I think my temp is up just a hair over 98 which is not normal for me in the am when it is usually 97 or so. Luckily I do know deep breathing relaxation exercises so I was doing those most of the time while I was waiting as the EMT thought it might be an anxiety reaction. hahah. might be?? I had NO reaction to the first time except my arm being sore and maybe a small headache and tiredness. maybe. I will take it easy and no running today and possibly tomorrow because the heart thing was pretty dreadful.
Sorry about your post-vaccine event Bon, and glad that you called the EMT for assistance. You were probably dehydrated and tired after a long wait. Hope that you are doing better today, just don't exert yourself. G.
I am pretty sure that the vaccine caused the reaction and not anything else. I do have MVP so it is possible that was targeted. I think when you get the vaccine some of your symptoms align with any "weak" points you may already have. I did spike a temp after 24 hrs of about 100.5 but that was gone by the next morning. I can tell my underarm lymph nodes are swollen so I am planning to delay my mammogram in accordance with current CDC guidelines. No sense in getting an untrue result. I never would have thought about the lymph node reaction and honestly when I got the first shot in my left arm I noticed it a few weeks in but with this shot in the right arm I see it almost immediately and can actually feel my sports bra under my arm irritating it. Interesting.6 -
Just back from my second Pfizer dose!
After the first one, I had a REALLY sore arm, but nothing else.
We'll see how this one goes.
No matter what the reaction, it's worth it, and I'm grateful to have had the opportunity to get the vaccine.15 -
I had my 2nd Pfizer dose on Monday. My arm started hurting a few hours after the vaccine, then by evening I was exhausted. Woke up the next morning with a fever of about 100.5 and headache. Felt really blah all day. Then suddenly about 8:30 that night, I suddenly was wide awake and felt my fever just go away, and I felt great.13
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Well As a part-time educator- I have taken all both of my shots(pfizer)- No problems and no side effects- just a sore arm after the second one- I took a couple of tylenol after I got home and felt fine. I pray it goes well for others also! I can't wait to get back in the classroom asap--- I am 60 so I was waiting even part-time until AFTER the shots for myself10
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Got my 2nd Moderna shot yesterday FINALLY. Arm was sore and I felt tired, but that could've also been due to the fact I gave up caffeine this week for health reasons. Took my prescription Naproxen for my sore back that was hurting before the vaccine, and woke up this morning feeling pretty good.
Headed out to the gym, then started feeling tired and "off." Decided to turn around (very unlike me--I like my gym time) but decided to listen to my body for once and wasn't even anxious about missing the gym (also unlike me). Went to bed and slept for an hour and a half; developed body aches, chills, low appetite, headache. Glad I listened to my body!
My arm is swollen more than the last shot, too. At first I looked at it and though "hey, my deltoids are popping" then realized it was just swollen
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