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lynn_glenmont wrote: »tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »Just like every other thread I have seen, there is zero mention of those who have actually had Covid. They carry 27x the antibodies than those vaccinated. Why would someone need a vaccine if they have already had Covid? The chances of getting a breakthrough infection of Delta open that person up to yet another infection.
The vaccine does not keep you from getting it. It actually makes you a possible spreader, so why the push if people are showing signs of immunity naturally ? My husband and I both had very mild cases. We take D3, Zinc, Elderberry and a multi-vitamin everyday. We exercise and eat relatively healthy. People have stopped using the real science, and that's to allow our immune systems to do their jobs instead of artificially triggering a response with no idea how it will deal with any future infections, Covid or otherwise.
Wear a mask, sanitize and wash your hands, try to distance as much as you can and stay healthy. If you need to lose weight now is a perfect time to do it so your body can handle the infection as it comes. 90% of the deaths have been to people who are overweight and secondary conditions. We don't push health enough and really didn't care at all during cold (coronavirus) and flu season for the last 100 years.
No one knows yet how long those who have already had covid will be immune. Could be a month; months or a year or so or longer. Some or most of all of those who had caught early in the piece may well have no antibodies now.
I thought this was sad, children are now suffering or dying because of the choices their parents are making. Here is one story:
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/texas-girl-4-dies-of-covid19-after-being-infected-by-antivaxxer-mum/news-story/5e496a216a98a04aa0452a8ae91582e6
The absence of antibodies can just mean that your body hasn't been exposed to the virus in a while. It doesn't necessarily mean that your immune system won't produce antibodies when exposed again.
This is one of the major points media reports of studies and papers are missing. No one is running around with antibodies to all the vaccines and viruses they've ever been exposed to. It is perfectly normal for antibody presence to wain.the key is that your body now knows how to quickly produce more the next time the virus is detected.
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It's also really important to remember that pretty much every paper and published study out there about covid-19 is either a pre-print or not peer reviewed, it simply hasn't been long enough yet. As we've seen in diet and exercise research, peer review can call into question the conclusions of a published paper that sounded really convincing at first blush. The kind of extensive and thoroughly vetted data required takes time to compile, publish, and review, and it hasn't even been two years yet. What gives you "better" immunity, which vaccine is the most effective, how contagious a person is, all of these are still open to some interpretation, even among virologists.8 -
I don't like the odds for achieving infection provoked antibodies for covid, as anyone who is unvaccinated is more likely to die in the process, self preservation tells me go for the vaccine.
There are parallel benefit for society as the potential pool for the creation of variants is reduced. The effect of covid vaccination is to promote the production of both B and T cells against covid. Nothing is perfect but as the vaccines available to us in the US, Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK and similarly placed countries are in the region of 70% effective and higher, are more effective than those for other vaccinable conditions which are substantially less effective, say flue, measles, tetanus and more. I rate the vaccine for covid highly. I have no knowledge of the efficacy of the Chinese or Russian produced vaccines. The probability is they are similarly constructed. Its best even when vaccinated not to consider yourself invincible.
Scientists took the knowledge of similarly constructed viruses and put effective vaccine together using all the cumulative knowledge to date.
I don't like the concept of covid having to become endemic but I fear for many reasons, we missed the boat on that one. The UK is coming more steps closer to it becoming endemic. The defining number for our covid climate was the number of persons dying from it. Anyone lost is a tragedy. Fortunately our numbers dying are fewer related to the number of cases but the numbers being hospitalised are high and rising, I believe this is the number we need to watch and react to. Each of us needs to do our bit to get the numbers back down.
The TWIV folks said on a recent episode that they do believe at some point everyone will have gotten covid, and just like with the flu, an unfortunate number of high risk people will die from it every year.
The key is to get a much larger percentage of the population vaxxed, so that even the people spreading it will be shedding less and weaker viral particles. And give the medical community more time to develop standard protocols and care to further reduce the fatalities of bad cases. They may also be able to improve the vaccines as well.
The hospitalisation numbers are scary. I wish people would be more careful. We are going to burn out the doctors, nurses, and respiratory pros who are caring for covid cases.7 -
Good Morning All,
Please be respectful of the fact that many people have lost loved ones and had their lives greatly changed by coronavirus. In your responses please be thoughful and respectful, there is alot of valuable, well thought out discussion going on here so this is not the appropriate platform for "one liner", dismissive comments. They will be treated at TROLLING.
I apologize if you have personally be affected by coronavirus, but if you are having an emotional response to the discussion being had here it is a good sign that you may need to step away from this thread for awhile.
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I personally know no one in my life who has died from covid.
I have personal connections to two people who died from the covid vaccine.
Please be respectful of this when pushing the vaccine or denigrating those who choose not to take it.11 -
Nicki Minaj swollen testicles claim 'wasted' Trinidad health officials' time
Officials in Trinidad "wasted so much time" trying to confirm Nicki Minaj's comments about Covid jab side effects, according to a government minister.
The rapper tweeted disinformation about side effects of the coronavirus vaccine - saying that when a friend of her cousin had the jab, his testicles swelled up and he became impotent.
She claimed it happened in Trinidad.
Health minister Terrence Deyalsingh said officials "take all claims seriously".
"As we stand now, there is absolutely no reported side effect or adverse event of testicular swelling in Trinidad... and none that we know of anywhere in the world," he said in a press conference on Wednesday.
...Sajid Javid, the UK health secretary, was asked to comment on Nicki Minaj and the swollen testicles as well.
"When it comes to something as lifesaving as vaccines - in this country there are 112,000 fewer deaths we estimate because of our vaccine programme - they should be really careful about what they say and not spread untruths," he told BBC Breakfast.
Speaking to Sky News, he said: "People that are in the public eye whether they are a celebrity or a politician or whoever they are should be very careful with their language and certainly shouldn't be spreading untruths."9 -
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ExistingFish wrote: »I personally know no one in my life who has died from covid.
I have personal connections to two people who died from the covid vaccine.
Please be respectful of this when pushing the vaccine or denigrating those who choose not to take it.
The thing is, I don’t believe you, because so few people around the world have died following the vaccine that for a single person to know two of them is astronomically unlikely.22 -
So over 50% of the country is fully vaccinated yet we have many more cases now that we did this time last year when 0% were vaccinated and we are told we must get more vaccinated now????? And somehow you are branded a nut if you even ask the question “how can this be???” And please do not try to give me the answer to this question because I assure you no one on this site knows that answer. Nor do I think the Great Dr Fauci himself knows that answer. But yet we can’t ask it. Mind you I am fully vaccinated.11
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Also please explain Explain Israel. They are now on 4th round of vaccine shots in less than a year in a country with well over 90% fully vaccinated. The vaccinated are getting sick. Something is wrong with that picture. Again not allowed to bring that up in main stream media or else you are anti-fill in the blank.13
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JoPat I fear many people are not being as careful now as they were a year ago.
Then there was a significant amount of inconsistency in the way our "betters" convey and conveyed our "best options for avoiding covid", some even likened it to flu! Then there was the way for several weeks before March 2020, we were told there was no point in waring masks because covid was not air-born! Surprise, surprise it was and is. Masks are the first thing Asian populations reach for after their experiences in the early 2000's.
Then we have the supposed "relief" vaccinated person are supposed to feel once they are two weeks out from the second vaccination. I did not feel that elation, I thought, I hope I have done enough to protect those around me. If I go to the shops I wear masks, many don't. I'm careful what I touch, stair rails for example, I cross my fingers and make sure my foot is well on the step, I'm in my 70's after all! Similar goes for escalators. I also only pick up the item I am interested in. I'm not sure others are that careful. I also carry a sanitiser because hand washing is not always convenient. We had a day out in the week near the sea, we kept our distance from others even in the open air, others did not! If walking on a narrow path, I turn my head away from an approaching person having acknowledged them.
I have to accept our individual options are limited to keep ourselves covid free. Even vaccinated, being in proximity to someone with covid could cause transmission if that person is not as honourable as I would hope to be and stay at home and isolate. If I'm out of sorts for any reason, I'll keep myself to myself. Others don't.
The reason I did not feel the elation at being vaccinated is because, no vaccine is 100% effective. As I've said earlier the ones we in the UK, Europe, the US, Canada, Australia and NZ are much better than the ones for illnesses children are regularly vaccinated for but their is still the window of opportunity for us to still catch covid if we do not take care of ourselves and others.
I've not heard anything about the Israelis covid issues. I know it all seemed good their population was vaccinated sooner and to a higher level than many.12 -
So over 50% of the country is fully vaccinated yet we have many more cases now that we did this time last year when 0% were vaccinated and we are told we must get more vaccinated now????? And somehow you are branded a nut if you even ask the question “how can this be???” And please do not try to give me the answer to this question because I assure you no one on this site knows that answer. Nor do I think the Great Dr Fauci himself knows that answer. But yet we can’t ask it. Mind you I am fully vaccinated.
I guess the question is what severity are most of the cases - because I can easily understand how opening up, stopping lockdowns etc means more cases - but if people are vaccinated and many more of the cases are mild then obviously that is still a big improvement.
The other thing, of course, is the emergence of variants like Delta.
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So over 50% of the country is fully vaccinated yet we have many more cases now that we did this time last year when 0% were vaccinated and we are told we must get more vaccinated now????? And somehow you are branded a nut if you even ask the question “how can this be???” And please do not try to give me the answer to this question because I assure you no one on this site knows that answer. Nor do I think the Great Dr Fauci himself knows that answer. But yet we can’t ask it. Mind you I am fully vaccinated.
It's actually quite simple to explain. Both experts and anyone who thinks about it for one minute can understand. Two main factors....
One is the easing of restrictions. People have returned to their normal lives. No capacity limits, no limits on gatherings, schools are fully open, restaurants, concerts and sporting events are packed, and very little mask usage anywhere. Compared to this time last year, when we were in almost total lockdown, it's night and day.
Two is the rise of variants such as Delta. This particular variant is found to be much more transmissible than the original strain.
As far as the vaccine...no, it's not 100 percent effective, everyone knew that going in. But, it has mostly prevented the vaccinated from serious illness. The overwhelming majority of hospitalisations and deaths are among the unvaccinated.
You mention the 50% vaccinated figure. The problem is that it is not 50% spread evenly across the population. Some areas have better than 70%, and guess what? They have ICU beds available and low death rates.
Some regions are below 30% vaccinated, and guess what? Their hospitals are out of ICU beds and are rationing care, causing harm to people who need medical treatment for injuries/illnesses unrelated to COVID.29 -
Completely agree @SuzySunshine99. The infection rate is much higher in regions where the vaccination rate is lower. The more virus load present, the more likely the vaccinated will get sick, though in a smaller percentage than the unvaccinated. The big difference is in the severe illness and death rate. Considerably over 90% of hospitalizations and deaths are among the unvaccinated.11
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So over 50% of the country is fully vaccinated yet we have many more cases now that we did this time last year when 0% were vaccinated and we are told we must get more vaccinated now????? And somehow you are branded a nut if you even ask the question “how can this be???” And please do not try to give me the answer to this question because I assure you no one on this site knows that answer. Nor do I think the Great Dr Fauci himself knows that answer. But yet we can’t ask it. Mind you I am fully vaccinated.
At this time last year, my state and many others were pretty much locked down. At this time last year, I could go to the grocery store and that's pretty much it, and even that was restricted to capacity. My state and most are completely open now going anywhere and everywhere you could go pre-covid. Also, 50% is not across the board...there are states with very high vaccination rates and states with very low vaccination rates.
My state is nowhere near the peak we saw in Nov/Dec/Jan of last year...not even close. We have a very high vaccination rate and around 93% of our COVID hospitalizations are unvaxed.13 -
My current state of MA is also doing much better than our Dec/Jan peak cases.
My former state of FL is not.
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Also please explain Explain Israel. They are now on 4th round of vaccine shots in less than a year in a country with well over 90% fully vaccinated. The vaccinated are getting sick. Something is wrong with that picture. Again not allowed to bring that up in main stream media or else you are anti-fill in the blank.
If you look closely at the data from Israel their death rate right now compared to their infection rate is 1/4 ours. They are getting sick and their death rate is climbing, but it’s to be expected that more people will die when more people get sick. MOST are not dying, but every vaccine does have a failure rate.
This sort of question is answered every day in the news, which leads me to ask, is this a problem with reading comprehension or are you isolating yourself from mainstream news sources? At this point anyone who doesn’t know that the Delta variant is 1000 times more infectious than covid was this time last year doesn’t want to know that information and has made a conscious decision to
pretend not to know it. If you don’t want to know, why ask?19 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Also please explain Explain Israel. They are now on 4th round of vaccine shots in less than a year in a country with well over 90% fully vaccinated. The vaccinated are getting sick. Something is wrong with that picture. Again not allowed to bring that up in main stream media or else you are anti-fill in the blank.
If you look closely at the data from Israel their death rate right now compared to their infection rate is 1/4 ours. They are getting sick and their death rate is climbing, but it’s to be expected that more people will die when more people get sick. MOST are not dying, but every vaccine does have a failure rate.
This sort of question is answered every day in the news, which leads me to ask, is this a problem with reading comprehension or are you isolating yourself from mainstream news sources? At this point anyone who doesn’t know that the Delta variant is 1000 times more infectious than covid was this time last year doesn’t want to know that information and has made a conscious decision to
pretend not to know it. If you don’t want to know, why ask?
Just clarifying to prevent anyone from taking your statement literally, especially after comments about reading comprehension. I went to CDC, their statement on this point is "The Delta variant is more contagious: The Delta variant is highly contagious, more than 2x as contagious as previous variants." Here is the link:https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html13 -
rheddmobile wrote: »ExistingFish wrote: »I personally know no one in my life who has died from covid.
I have personal connections to two people who died from the covid vaccine.
Please be respectful of this when pushing the vaccine or denigrating those who choose not to take it.
The thing is, I don’t believe you, because so few people around the world have died following the vaccine that for a single person to know two of them is astronomically unlikely.
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So over 50% of the country is fully vaccinated yet we have many more cases now that we did this time last year when 0% were vaccinated and we are told we must get more vaccinated now????? And somehow you are branded a nut if you even ask the question “how can this be???” And please do not try to give me the answer to this question because I assure you no one on this site knows that answer. Nor do I think the Great Dr Fauci himself knows that answer. But yet we can’t ask it. Mind you I am fully vaccinated.
Hardly anyone is masking anymore, everything is open, most people are moving around in public and living their lives like normal, and the Delta variant is far more transmissible. How could we NOT have more cases? I mean, come on, really?!10 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Also please explain Explain Israel. They are now on 4th round of vaccine shots in less than a year in a country with well over 90% fully vaccinated. The vaccinated are getting sick. Something is wrong with that picture. Again not allowed to bring that up in main stream media or else you are anti-fill in the blank.
If you look closely at the data from Israel their death rate right now compared to their infection rate is 1/4 ours. They are getting sick and their death rate is climbing, but it’s to be expected that more people will die when more people get sick. MOST are not dying, but every vaccine does have a failure rate.
This sort of question is answered every day in the news, which leads me to ask, is this a problem with reading comprehension or are you isolating yourself from mainstream news sources? At this point anyone who doesn’t know that the Delta variant is 1000 times more infectious than covid was this time last year doesn’t want to know that information and has made a conscious decision to
pretend not to know it. If you don’t want to know, why ask?
Just clarifying to prevent anyone from taking your statement literally, especially after comments about reading comprehension. I went to CDC, their statement on this point is "The Delta variant is more contagious: The Delta variant is highly contagious, more than 2x as contagious as previous variants." Here is the link:https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html
And I’m just here clarifying that more than twice as contagious is really bad….12 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Also please explain Explain Israel. They are now on 4th round of vaccine shots in less than a year in a country with well over 90% fully vaccinated. The vaccinated are getting sick. Something is wrong with that picture. Again not allowed to bring that up in main stream media or else you are anti-fill in the blank.
If you look closely at the data from Israel their death rate right now compared to their infection rate is 1/4 ours. They are getting sick and their death rate is climbing, but it’s to be expected that more people will die when more people get sick. MOST are not dying, but every vaccine does have a failure rate.
This sort of question is answered every day in the news, which leads me to ask, is this a problem with reading comprehension or are you isolating yourself from mainstream news sources? At this point anyone who doesn’t know that the Delta variant is 1000 times more infectious than covid was this time last year doesn’t want to know that information and has made a conscious decision to
pretend not to know it. If you don’t want to know, why ask?
Just clarifying to prevent anyone from taking your statement literally, especially after comments about reading comprehension. I went to CDC, their statement on this point is "The Delta variant is more contagious: The Delta variant is highly contagious, more than 2x as contagious as previous variants." Here is the link:https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html
And I’m just here clarifying that more than twice as contagious is really bad….
I did not say that twice as bad is not concerning, but twice as contagious and 1000 times infections are very different. I am assuming it was an euphemism but i want to make sure no one it taking that sentence literally.5 -
rheddmobile wrote: »ExistingFish wrote: »I personally know no one in my life who has died from covid.
I have personal connections to two people who died from the covid vaccine.
Please be respectful of this when pushing the vaccine or denigrating those who choose not to take it.
The thing is, I don’t believe you, because so few people around the world have died following the vaccine that for a single person to know two of them is astronomically unlikely.
Exactly!
Not comfortable with calling each other liars here. We may have differing opinions, but I go in with the premise that, especially when people are making personal statements, they are telling the truth.6 -
A week or so ago, someone posted a link to a video here. The title was natural immunity vs vaccines, and if I recall it is likely in response to my philosophical struggles. Anyhow, the video covered broader topics than the title implies and it gave me fodder for thought. Last weekend, with friends, I brought up the video, and outlined portion that discusses where and how vaccination doses might best be invested. Note, that I did not take a position on this topic, I just found the topic thought provoking and could make an interesting discussion. No discussion, just blowback was the response. OOOPs.
Anyhow, last night a suggested article popped up. It was a more thorough discussion of this point. Sharing here. This group is very diverse and I am interested in additional viewpoints on this topic. Enjoy!
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/18/1028941909/why-a-push-for-boosters-could-make-the-pandemic-even-worse2 -
A week or so ago, someone posted a link to a video here. The title was natural immunity vs vaccines, and if I recall it is likely in response to my philosophical struggles. Anyhow, the video covered broader topics than the title implies and it gave me fodder for thought. Last weekend, with friends, I brought up the video, and outlined portion that discusses where and how vaccination doses might best be invested. Note, that I did not take a position on this topic, I just found the topic thought provoking and could make an interesting discussion. No discussion, just blowback was the response. OOOPs.
Anyhow, last night a suggested article popped up. It was a more thorough discussion of this point. Sharing here. This group is very diverse and I am interested in additional viewpoints on this topic. Enjoy!
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/18/1028941909/why-a-push-for-boosters-could-make-the-pandemic-even-worse
A dose that is administered as a first or second vaccine to an individual will have much more value both on the individual and societal levels in deterring the virus than a third dose for another individual, and if I could refuse a booster and know that it would be used as a first or second dose for someone else, I would. But those decisions have to made above the individual level, as part of global health policy, because if I refuse a booster, it will just go someone else who is getting a booster or (worse) be tossed when it's been out of the freezer too long.
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A week or so ago, someone posted a link to a video here. The title was natural immunity vs vaccines, and if I recall it is likely in response to my philosophical struggles. Anyhow, the video covered broader topics than the title implies and it gave me fodder for thought. Last weekend, with friends, I brought up the video, and outlined portion that discusses where and how vaccination doses might best be invested. Note, that I did not take a position on this topic, I just found the topic thought provoking and could make an interesting discussion. No discussion, just blowback was the response. OOOPs.
Anyhow, last night a suggested article popped up. It was a more thorough discussion of this point. Sharing here. This group is very diverse and I am interested in additional viewpoints on this topic. Enjoy!
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/18/1028941909/why-a-push-for-boosters-could-make-the-pandemic-even-worse
Considering the hearing the FDA had this week, it looks like they will only be recommending boosters for people over 65, or in some other high risk categories.
I think part of the confusion is that in wealthy countries, it at least seems like the only people who aren't vaxxed have chosen not to, and it's easy to forget that there are areas of the world where people want the shot but have not had access to it yet. And ultimately, in the long term, whether a poor villager half way around the world is vaxxed is just as important as whether my next door neighbor is.12 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Also please explain Explain Israel. They are now on 4th round of vaccine shots in less than a year in a country with well over 90% fully vaccinated. The vaccinated are getting sick. Something is wrong with that picture. Again not allowed to bring that up in main stream media or else you are anti-fill in the blank.
If you look closely at the data from Israel their death rate right now compared to their infection rate is 1/4 ours. They are getting sick and their death rate is climbing, but it’s to be expected that more people will die when more people get sick. MOST are not dying, but every vaccine does have a failure rate.
This sort of question is answered every day in the news, which leads me to ask, is this a problem with reading comprehension or are you isolating yourself from mainstream news sources? At this point anyone who doesn’t know that the Delta variant is 1000 times more infectious than covid was this time last year doesn’t want to know that information and has made a conscious decision to
pretend not to know it. If you don’t want to know, why ask?
Just clarifying to prevent anyone from taking your statement literally, especially after comments about reading comprehension. I went to CDC, their statement on this point is "The Delta variant is more contagious: The Delta variant is highly contagious, more than 2x as contagious as previous variants." Here is the link:https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html
Perhaps the "1,000" comes from the increased viral load of Delta:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.07.21260122v2
We report the first local transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant in mainland China. All 167 infections could be traced back to the first index case. Daily sequential PCR testing of the quarantined subjects indicated that the viral loads of Delta infections, when they first become PCR+, were on average ∼1000 times greater compared to A/B lineage infections during initial epidemic wave in China in early 2020, suggesting potentially faster viral replication and greater infectiousness of Delta during early infection.13 -
Also please explain Explain Israel. They are now on 4th round of vaccine shots in less than a year in a country with well over 90% fully vaccinated. The vaccinated are getting sick. Something is wrong with that picture. Again not allowed to bring that up in main stream media or else you are anti-fill in the blank.
Israel is no where near 90% fully vaccinated. Approximately 78% of those 12+ are vaccinated which is pretty good, but with such a young population, only 58% of the total population is vaccinated. That is far from herd immunity. The vaccinated are also getting sick at a far lower rate than the unvaccinated.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why18 -
kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Also please explain Explain Israel. They are now on 4th round of vaccine shots in less than a year in a country with well over 90% fully vaccinated. The vaccinated are getting sick. Something is wrong with that picture. Again not allowed to bring that up in main stream media or else you are anti-fill in the blank.
If you look closely at the data from Israel their death rate right now compared to their infection rate is 1/4 ours. They are getting sick and their death rate is climbing, but it’s to be expected that more people will die when more people get sick. MOST are not dying, but every vaccine does have a failure rate.
This sort of question is answered every day in the news, which leads me to ask, is this a problem with reading comprehension or are you isolating yourself from mainstream news sources? At this point anyone who doesn’t know that the Delta variant is 1000 times more infectious than covid was this time last year doesn’t want to know that information and has made a conscious decision to
pretend not to know it. If you don’t want to know, why ask?
Just clarifying to prevent anyone from taking your statement literally, especially after comments about reading comprehension. I went to CDC, their statement on this point is "The Delta variant is more contagious: The Delta variant is highly contagious, more than 2x as contagious as previous variants." Here is the link:https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html
Perhaps the "1,000" comes from the increased viral load of Delta:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.07.21260122v2
We report the first local transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant in mainland China. All 167 infections could be traced back to the first index case. Daily sequential PCR testing of the quarantined subjects indicated that the viral loads of Delta infections, when they first become PCR+, were on average ∼1000 times greater compared to A/B lineage infections during initial epidemic wave in China in early 2020, suggesting potentially faster viral replication and greater infectiousness of Delta during early infection.
Thank you @kshama2001 That is a possible connection to the actual number. As for how infectious, I assume that that viral load difference is somehow taken into account in the CDC's statement that it is twice as contagious.2 -
rheddmobile wrote: »ExistingFish wrote: »I personally know no one in my life who has died from covid.
I have personal connections to two people who died from the covid vaccine.
Please be respectful of this when pushing the vaccine or denigrating those who choose not to take it.
The thing is, I don’t believe you, because so few people around the world have died following the vaccine that for a single person to know two of them is astronomically unlikely.
Exactly!
Not comfortable with calling each other liars here. We may have differing opinions, but I go in with the premise that, especially when people are making personal statements, they are telling the truth.
Spokesperson for the CDC stated just a week ago, "To date, CDC has not detected any unusual or unexpected patterns for deaths following immunization that would indicate that COVID vaccines are causing or contributing to deaths, outside of the 3 confirmed deaths following the Janssen vaccine."
For the poster to have known 2 of the 3 people who have died in the US from getting the vaccine seems like a stretch to me. I'm going to have to differ in opinion on this.23
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