Keto
GotYR06
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This is going to be impossible for me! I need quick abs easy meals and I love bread and carbs! 🤦🏼♀️
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If you love bread and carbs why do keto? Why not track your calories, and continue to eat bread.17
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Eat bread and carbs then. Keto isn't a magic bullet.16
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Keto isn't necessary to lose weight. People can lose, maintain, or gain weight on keto. All you need to lose weight is a calorie deficit.
I'd rethink the "quick abs." No one needs quick abs.
Well, perhaps if you were a movie star and needed them for a role. But in that case you'd have a whole team helping you with that and wouldn't need to be asking for quick meals. But here's one anyway - rib-eye steak, spinach, and butter.11 -
I think OP meant to say "quick and easy" but I could be wrong!5
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probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.1
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xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Or keep the bread if it is something you enjoy and something you know you will crave if you don't have it. The best way of losing weight is the one that you can adhere to long term, well into maintenance. It isn't just about losing weight but how to keep that weight off indefinitely once you achieve your goal. Don't make changes that you know you won't stick with. This just leads to yoyo dieting for most.16 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Or keep the bread if it is something you enjoy and something you know you will crave if you don't have it. The best way of losing weight is the one that you can adhere to long term, well into maintenance. It isn't just about losing weight but how to keep that weight off indefinitely once you achieve your goal. Don't make changes that you know you won't stick with. This just leads to yoyo dieting for most.
by that way of thinking, why give up anything you crave if it's going to cause discomfort. and why even make changes to your diet or lifestyle at all.
there was once a time when i thought there were many foods i couldn't live without, including ice cream, starchy vegetables, pasta, and bread too. that was until i found out i could live without them.
of course it'll take time to overcome cravings, and instead follow your good sense, and choose nutritionally dense foods. it won't happen overnight. but replacing the junk with nutritionally dense lower carb food should still be a long term goal. and until that time happens portion control should be exercised.5 -
xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Or keep the bread if it is something you enjoy and something you know you will crave if you don't have it. The best way of losing weight is the one that you can adhere to long term, well into maintenance. It isn't just about losing weight but how to keep that weight off indefinitely once you achieve your goal. Don't make changes that you know you won't stick with. This just leads to yoyo dieting for most.
by that way of thinking, why give up anything you crave if it's going to cause discomfort. and why even make changes to your diet or lifestyle at all.
there was once a time when i thought there were many foods i couldn't live without, including ice cream, starchy vegetables, pasta, and bread too. that was until i found out i could live without them.
of course it'll take time to overcome cravings, and instead follow your good sense, and choose nutritionally dense foods. it won't happen overnight. but replacing the junk with nutritionally dense lower carb food should still be a long term goal. and until that time happens portion control should be exercised.
Exactly, why arbitrarily give up anything you crave if you feel better moderating it? That's how I lost the weight. I didn't give up anything, but I changed how much and/or how often I consume it. Some things felt better to lightly moderate, other things felt better to strictly moderate. If it causes less discomfort than the alternative but the end result is the same, why pick the harder route?
I mean, yes, anyone can give up anything they choose and get used to that, but the question is: do they need to? Does it make their life easier? Is the change sustainable? Will being exposed to these foods feel harder or easier when they give them up (like in the case of social eating, for example)? All of these questions are worth asking because the best change is the easiest change you can make to achieve your goal and sustain it.
Giving up bread and starchy carbs, in my case, would interfere with my goal of weight maintenance because they fill me up the most and I'm more likely to feel hungry without them.16 -
xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Limited nutritional value? Mine gives me 8g of protein and 6g of fibre among other things. Not to mention I love it, it gives me energy, keeps me full and is a great vehicle for my peanut butter and jam.18 -
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I didn't do keto. I just did healthy. Brought my diet back into balance. Less bread sugar processed foods. More fruits and fresh veg and monitor calories.7
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xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Limited nutritional value? Mine gives me 8g of protein and 6g of fibre among other things. Not to mention I love it, it gives me energy, keeps me full and is a great vehicle for my peanut butter and jam.
ok, now compare it to a half cup of cooked spinach or cruciferous vegetable, not to mention what it does to blood sugar levels.
bread is not compatible with a keto diet. one slice contains half a days carbo's allowed.2 -
xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Limited nutritional value? Mine gives me 8g of protein and 6g of fibre among other things. Not to mention I love it, it gives me energy, keeps me full and is a great vehicle for my peanut butter and jam.
ok, now compare it to a half cup of spinach or cruciferous vegetable, not to mention what it does to blood sugar levels.
bread is not compatible with a keto diet. one slice contains half a days carbo's allowed.
Carbs = energy source
Fat = energy source
Personally, I can't have more than 60g fat/day due to malabsorption issues (not worth the GI-Distress that causes). I can push it to 70g on a good day. But not 2-3 days in a row.
If I already have to restrict one energy source, why in the world would I severely restrict a second one just because someone thinks bread is some kind of evil? I want to lose weight, not end up malnourished.
Keto is not a universal truth. It doesn't suit everyone. Just because it suits your life, doesn't mean that it will suit everyone else.12 -
xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Limited nutritional value? Mine gives me 8g of protein and 6g of fibre among other things. Not to mention I love it, it gives me energy, keeps me full and is a great vehicle for my peanut butter and jam.
ok, now compare it to a half cup of spinach or cruciferous vegetable, not to mention what it does to blood sugar levels.
bread is not compatible with a keto diet. one slice contains half a days carbo's allowed.
Compare half a cup of spinach or cruciferous vegetables to a vitamin pill and a fiber supplement for fewer calories. Nutrition is only one part of a good diet, but it isn't the only part. Sometimes I want cruciferous vegetables (although half a cup would be too little for me, I usually have at least 2 cups - meaning I'm very likely to go over carbs on keto just through vegetables), but other times I want bread. Bread makes me happy and fills me up, so why on earth would I want to give it up? I love spinach and vegetables but they don't "stick". I'm hungry an hour later. My overall nutrition is balanced and I get enough of most nutrients. I'm not going to give up something that makes me happy just to brag about vitamin rich pee.
Bread is not compatible with keto diet, and it's one of the reasons (among many others) why it's not for me, and it doesn't have to be. Not everyone thrives on the same diet.14 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Or keep the bread if it is something you enjoy and something you know you will crave if you don't have it. The best way of losing weight is the one that you can adhere to long term, well into maintenance. It isn't just about losing weight but how to keep that weight off indefinitely once you achieve your goal. Don't make changes that you know you won't stick with. This just leads to yoyo dieting for most.
by that way of thinking, why give up anything you crave if it's going to cause discomfort. and why even make changes to your diet or lifestyle at all.
there was once a time when i thought there were many foods i couldn't live without, including ice cream, starchy vegetables, pasta, and bread too. that was until i found out i could live without them.
of course it'll take time to overcome cravings, and instead follow your good sense, and choose nutritionally dense foods. it won't happen overnight. but replacing the junk with nutritionally dense lower carb food should still be a long term goal. and until that time happens portion control should be exercised.
Exactly, why arbitrarily give up anything you crave if you feel better moderating it? That's how I lost the weight. I didn't give up anything, but I changed how much and/or how often I consume it. Some things felt better to lightly moderate, other things felt better to strictly moderate. If it causes less discomfort than the alternative but the end result is the same, why pick the harder route?
I mean, yes, anyone can give up anything they choose and get used to that, but the question is: do they need to? Does it make their life easier? Is the change sustainable? Will being exposed to these foods feel harder or easier when they give them up (like in the case of social eating, for example)? All of these questions are worth asking because the best change is the easiest change you can make to achieve your goal and sustain it.
Giving up bread and starchy carbs, in my case, would interfere with my goal of weight maintenance because they fill me up the most and I'm more likely to feel hungry without them.
i'm not saying you can't lose weight on other diets, but bread is simply not compatible with the op's keto diet or even low carb diet. it contains too many carbs.
i started out on a low calorie diet, low fat diet, and did lose weight, but my diet was lacking important nutrients, while consuming to much of the of the not so good nutrients like sodium and sugar, and i also felt like i was half starving myself all the time. once i changed to low carbohydrate and higher fat, i was able to eat a much higher quantity of food, enabling me to obtain high amounts of all the important nutrients, and never feel hungry. i completely lost every trace of my love handles, and have the body type of a fit 19 year old, and a bmi in the 19 range.
to maintain lean weight in a healthy way, you need to emphasize food quality first of all.
500 calories from bread and 500 calories from an avocado and a few eggs are entirely different. they have the same amount of energy, but the nutrients found in avocado and eggs far exceed the minuscule amount of nutrients that bread has. on keto, Meat Fish Dairy Eggs Vegetables Fruit (especially avocado, olives, berries) are acceptable.
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ladyreva78 wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Limited nutritional value? Mine gives me 8g of protein and 6g of fibre among other things. Not to mention I love it, it gives me energy, keeps me full and is a great vehicle for my peanut butter and jam.
ok, now compare it to a half cup of spinach or cruciferous vegetable, not to mention what it does to blood sugar levels.
bread is not compatible with a keto diet. one slice contains half a days carbo's allowed.
Carbs = energy source
Fat = energy source
Personally, I can't have more than 60g fat/day due to malabsorption issues (not worth the GI-Distress that causes). I can push it to 70g on a good day. But not 2-3 days in a row.
If I already have to restrict one energy source, why in the world would I severely restrict a second one just because someone thinks bread is some kind of evil? I want to lose weight, not end up malnourished.
Keto is not a universal truth. It doesn't suit everyone. Just because it suits your life, doesn't mean that it will suit everyone else.
the op made no mention of having malabsorption issues, nor did i say a keto or low carb diet is for everyone. this thread relates to the op, who title the thread, keto. if you wish to discuss your personal issues, and keto, maybe start a thread on it.2 -
xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Or keep the bread if it is something you enjoy and something you know you will crave if you don't have it. The best way of losing weight is the one that you can adhere to long term, well into maintenance. It isn't just about losing weight but how to keep that weight off indefinitely once you achieve your goal. Don't make changes that you know you won't stick with. This just leads to yoyo dieting for most.
by that way of thinking, why give up anything you crave if it's going to cause discomfort. and why even make changes to your diet or lifestyle at all.
there was once a time when i thought there were many foods i couldn't live without, including ice cream, starchy vegetables, pasta, and bread too. that was until i found out i could live without them.
of course it'll take time to overcome cravings, and instead follow your good sense, and choose nutritionally dense foods. it won't happen overnight. but replacing the junk with nutritionally dense lower carb food should still be a long term goal. and until that time happens portion control should be exercised.
Exactly, why arbitrarily give up anything you crave if you feel better moderating it? That's how I lost the weight. I didn't give up anything, but I changed how much and/or how often I consume it. Some things felt better to lightly moderate, other things felt better to strictly moderate. If it causes less discomfort than the alternative but the end result is the same, why pick the harder route?
I mean, yes, anyone can give up anything they choose and get used to that, but the question is: do they need to? Does it make their life easier? Is the change sustainable? Will being exposed to these foods feel harder or easier when they give them up (like in the case of social eating, for example)? All of these questions are worth asking because the best change is the easiest change you can make to achieve your goal and sustain it.
Giving up bread and starchy carbs, in my case, would interfere with my goal of weight maintenance because they fill me up the most and I'm more likely to feel hungry without them.
i'm not saying you can't lose weight on other diets, but bread is simply not compatible with the op's keto diet or even low carb diet. it contains too many carbs.
i started out on a low calorie diet, low fat diet, and did lose weight, but my diet was lacking important nutrients, while consuming to much of the of the not so good nutrients like sodium and sugar, and i also felt like i was half starving myself all the time. once i changed to low carbohydrate and higher fat, i was able to eat a much higher quantity of food, enabling me to obtain high amounts of all the important nutrients, and never feel hungry. i completely lost every trace of my love handles, and have the body type of a fit 19 year old, and a bmi in the 19 range.
to maintain lean weight in a healthy way, you need to emphasize food quality first of all.
500 calories from bread and 500 calories from an avocado and a few eggs are entirely different. they have the same amount of energy, but the nutrients found in avocado and eggs far exceed the minuscule amount of nutrients that bread has. on keto, Meat Fish Dairy Eggs Vegetables Fruit (especially avocado, olives, berries) are acceptable.
To have a healthy diet you need to have a good balance of nutrients. This can be achieved with or without keto. Your experience is important because it's yours. It simply means you do better eating a keto diet. Not everyone shares your experience. I was starving all the time on keto when I tried it.
You can't really compare individual foods because most people's diets are made up of several foods. The comparison is also highly skewed to show the benefits of a certain eating philosophy. Why aren't you comparing 500 calories of bread (which does have a variety of nutrients) to 500 calories of oil or butter (which have a poor variety of nutrients but are compatible with keto)? Why aren't you comparing 500 calories of beans (which are highly nutritious but not compatible with keto) to 500 calories of bacon grease?15 -
xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »ladyreva78 wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Limited nutritional value? Mine gives me 8g of protein and 6g of fibre among other things. Not to mention I love it, it gives me energy, keeps me full and is a great vehicle for my peanut butter and jam.
ok, now compare it to a half cup of spinach or cruciferous vegetable, not to mention what it does to blood sugar levels.
bread is not compatible with a keto diet. one slice contains half a days carbo's allowed.
Carbs = energy source
Fat = energy source
Personally, I can't have more than 60g fat/day due to malabsorption issues (not worth the GI-Distress that causes). I can push it to 70g on a good day. But not 2-3 days in a row.
If I already have to restrict one energy source, why in the world would I severely restrict a second one just because someone thinks bread is some kind of evil? I want to lose weight, not end up malnourished.
Keto is not a universal truth. It doesn't suit everyone. Just because it suits your life, doesn't mean that it will suit everyone else.
the op made no mention of having malabsorption issues, nor did i say a keto or low carb diet is for everyone. this thread relates to the op, who title the thread, keto. if you wish to discuss your personal issues, and keto, maybe start a thread on it.
No. OP did not mention malabsorption issues. Only that keto seems impossible to her.
Why insist on something that seems impossible to someone when there's other alternatives?
My point was to illustrate that keto isn't for everyone and isn't necessary...13 -
xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »ladyreva78 wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Limited nutritional value? Mine gives me 8g of protein and 6g of fibre among other things. Not to mention I love it, it gives me energy, keeps me full and is a great vehicle for my peanut butter and jam.
ok, now compare it to a half cup of spinach or cruciferous vegetable, not to mention what it does to blood sugar levels.
bread is not compatible with a keto diet. one slice contains half a days carbo's allowed.
Carbs = energy source
Fat = energy source
Personally, I can't have more than 60g fat/day due to malabsorption issues (not worth the GI-Distress that causes). I can push it to 70g on a good day. But not 2-3 days in a row.
If I already have to restrict one energy source, why in the world would I severely restrict a second one just because someone thinks bread is some kind of evil? I want to lose weight, not end up malnourished.
Keto is not a universal truth. It doesn't suit everyone. Just because it suits your life, doesn't mean that it will suit everyone else.
the op made no mention of having malabsorption issues, nor did i say a keto or low carb diet is for everyone. this thread relates to the op, who title the thread, keto. if you wish to discuss your personal issues, and keto, maybe start a thread on it.
No, OP said that "this is going to be impossible for me!"
This statement makes me (and some others) believe that keto is perhaps the wrong choice for the OP. That perhaps keto would be a temporary change and not a true lifestyle change for her.
This is why posters are pointing out that keto is not the only choice.15 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Or keep the bread if it is something you enjoy and something you know you will crave if you don't have it. The best way of losing weight is the one that you can adhere to long term, well into maintenance. It isn't just about losing weight but how to keep that weight off indefinitely once you achieve your goal. Don't make changes that you know you won't stick with. This just leads to yoyo dieting for most.
by that way of thinking, why give up anything you crave if it's going to cause discomfort. and why even make changes to your diet or lifestyle at all.
there was once a time when i thought there were many foods i couldn't live without, including ice cream, starchy vegetables, pasta, and bread too. that was until i found out i could live without them.
of course it'll take time to overcome cravings, and instead follow your good sense, and choose nutritionally dense foods. it won't happen overnight. but replacing the junk with nutritionally dense lower carb food should still be a long term goal. and until that time happens portion control should be exercised.
Exactly, why arbitrarily give up anything you crave if you feel better moderating it? That's how I lost the weight. I didn't give up anything, but I changed how much and/or how often I consume it. Some things felt better to lightly moderate, other things felt better to strictly moderate. If it causes less discomfort than the alternative but the end result is the same, why pick the harder route?
I mean, yes, anyone can give up anything they choose and get used to that, but the question is: do they need to? Does it make their life easier? Is the change sustainable? Will being exposed to these foods feel harder or easier when they give them up (like in the case of social eating, for example)? All of these questions are worth asking because the best change is the easiest change you can make to achieve your goal and sustain it.
Giving up bread and starchy carbs, in my case, would interfere with my goal of weight maintenance because they fill me up the most and I'm more likely to feel hungry without them.
i'm not saying you can't lose weight on other diets, but bread is simply not compatible with the op's keto diet or even low carb diet. it contains too many carbs.
i started out on a low calorie diet, low fat diet, and did lose weight, but my diet was lacking important nutrients, while consuming to much of the of the not so good nutrients like sodium and sugar, and i also felt like i was half starving myself all the time. once i changed to low carbohydrate and higher fat, i was able to eat a much higher quantity of food, enabling me to obtain high amounts of all the important nutrients, and never feel hungry. i completely lost every trace of my love handles, and have the body type of a fit 19 year old, and a bmi in the 19 range.
to maintain lean weight in a healthy way, you need to emphasize food quality first of all.
500 calories from bread and 500 calories from an avocado and a few eggs are entirely different. they have the same amount of energy, but the nutrients found in avocado and eggs far exceed the minuscule amount of nutrients that bread has. on keto, Meat Fish Dairy Eggs Vegetables Fruit (especially avocado, olives, berries) are acceptable.
To have a healthy diet you need to have a good balance of nutrients. This can be achieved with or without keto. Your experience is important because it's yours. It simply means you do better eating a keto diet. Not everyone shares your experience. I was starving all the time on keto when I tried it.
You can't really compare individual foods because most people's diets are made up of several foods. The comparison is also highly skewed to show the benefits of a certain eating philosophy. Why aren't you comparing 500 calories of bread (which does have a variety of nutrients) to 500 calories of oil or butter (which have a poor variety of nutrients but are compatible with keto)? Why aren't you comparing 500 calories of beans (which are highly nutritious but not compatible with keto) to 500 calories of bacon grease?
i never said was on a keto diet. i recommended a low carb diet @100 grams of carbs/day, to the op.
foods certainly can be compared, and bread ranks poorly in comparison, nutritionally, to most vegetables or other keto diet items.
why should i compare bacon grease to bread? who's advocating a low carb diet that consists of a substantial amount of bacon grease?
beans are more acceptable in the right amounts, than bread. much of the carbs are in the form of fiber and they contain higher protein.
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pitbullpuppy wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Or keep the bread if it is something you enjoy and something you know you will crave if you don't have it. The best way of losing weight is the one that you can adhere to long term, well into maintenance. It isn't just about losing weight but how to keep that weight off indefinitely once you achieve your goal. Don't make changes that you know you won't stick with. This just leads to yoyo dieting for most.
by that way of thinking, why give up anything you crave if it's going to cause discomfort. and why even make changes to your diet or lifestyle at all.
there was once a time when i thought there were many foods i couldn't live without, including ice cream, starchy vegetables, pasta, and bread too. that was until i found out i could live without them.
of course it'll take time to overcome cravings, and instead follow your good sense, and choose nutritionally dense foods. it won't happen overnight. but replacing the junk with nutritionally dense lower carb food should still be a long term goal. and until that time happens portion control should be exercised.
Exactly, why arbitrarily give up anything you crave if you feel better moderating it? That's how I lost the weight. I didn't give up anything, but I changed how much and/or how often I consume it. Some things felt better to lightly moderate, other things felt better to strictly moderate. If it causes less discomfort than the alternative but the end result is the same, why pick the harder route?
I mean, yes, anyone can give up anything they choose and get used to that, but the question is: do they need to? Does it make their life easier? Is the change sustainable? Will being exposed to these foods feel harder or easier when they give them up (like in the case of social eating, for example)? All of these questions are worth asking because the best change is the easiest change you can make to achieve your goal and sustain it.
Giving up bread and starchy carbs, in my case, would interfere with my goal of weight maintenance because they fill me up the most and I'm more likely to feel hungry without them.
i'm not saying you can't lose weight on other diets, but bread is simply not compatible with the op's keto diet or even low carb diet. it contains too many carbs.
i started out on a low calorie diet, low fat diet, and did lose weight, but my diet was lacking important nutrients, while consuming to much of the of the not so good nutrients like sodium and sugar, and i also felt like i was half starving myself all the time. once i changed to low carbohydrate and higher fat, i was able to eat a much higher quantity of food, enabling me to obtain high amounts of all the important nutrients, and never feel hungry. i completely lost every trace of my love handles, and have the body type of a fit 19 year old, and a bmi in the 19 range.
to maintain lean weight in a healthy way, you need to emphasize food quality first of all.
500 calories from bread and 500 calories from an avocado and a few eggs are entirely different. they have the same amount of energy, but the nutrients found in avocado and eggs far exceed the minuscule amount of nutrients that bread has. on keto, Meat Fish Dairy Eggs Vegetables Fruit (especially avocado, olives, berries) are acceptable.
Bread does not contain 'too many carbs'. There are a lot of keto friendly breads, but even normal bread can be done in moderation and when you subtract dietary fiber.
regular whole grain bread has about 25 carb's with 2 grams of fiber, per slice.
try fitting that into a keto diet of 20 grams of carb's per day. lolol
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xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Or keep the bread if it is something you enjoy and something you know you will crave if you don't have it. The best way of losing weight is the one that you can adhere to long term, well into maintenance. It isn't just about losing weight but how to keep that weight off indefinitely once you achieve your goal. Don't make changes that you know you won't stick with. This just leads to yoyo dieting for most.
by that way of thinking, why give up anything you crave if it's going to cause discomfort. and why even make changes to your diet or lifestyle at all.
there was once a time when i thought there were many foods i couldn't live without, including ice cream, starchy vegetables, pasta, and bread too. that was until i found out i could live without them.
of course it'll take time to overcome cravings, and instead follow your good sense, and choose nutritionally dense foods. it won't happen overnight. but replacing the junk with nutritionally dense lower carb food should still be a long term goal. and until that time happens portion control should be exercised.
Exactly, why arbitrarily give up anything you crave if you feel better moderating it? That's how I lost the weight. I didn't give up anything, but I changed how much and/or how often I consume it. Some things felt better to lightly moderate, other things felt better to strictly moderate. If it causes less discomfort than the alternative but the end result is the same, why pick the harder route?
I mean, yes, anyone can give up anything they choose and get used to that, but the question is: do they need to? Does it make their life easier? Is the change sustainable? Will being exposed to these foods feel harder or easier when they give them up (like in the case of social eating, for example)? All of these questions are worth asking because the best change is the easiest change you can make to achieve your goal and sustain it.
Giving up bread and starchy carbs, in my case, would interfere with my goal of weight maintenance because they fill me up the most and I'm more likely to feel hungry without them.
i'm not saying you can't lose weight on other diets, but bread is simply not compatible with the op's keto diet or even low carb diet. it contains too many carbs.
i started out on a low calorie diet, low fat diet, and did lose weight, but my diet was lacking important nutrients, while consuming to much of the of the not so good nutrients like sodium and sugar, and i also felt like i was half starving myself all the time. once i changed to low carbohydrate and higher fat, i was able to eat a much higher quantity of food, enabling me to obtain high amounts of all the important nutrients, and never feel hungry. i completely lost every trace of my love handles, and have the body type of a fit 19 year old, and a bmi in the 19 range.
to maintain lean weight in a healthy way, you need to emphasize food quality first of all.
500 calories from bread and 500 calories from an avocado and a few eggs are entirely different. they have the same amount of energy, but the nutrients found in avocado and eggs far exceed the minuscule amount of nutrients that bread has. on keto, Meat Fish Dairy Eggs Vegetables Fruit (especially avocado, olives, berries) are acceptable.
To have a healthy diet you need to have a good balance of nutrients. This can be achieved with or without keto. Your experience is important because it's yours. It simply means you do better eating a keto diet. Not everyone shares your experience. I was starving all the time on keto when I tried it.
You can't really compare individual foods because most people's diets are made up of several foods. The comparison is also highly skewed to show the benefits of a certain eating philosophy. Why aren't you comparing 500 calories of bread (which does have a variety of nutrients) to 500 calories of oil or butter (which have a poor variety of nutrients but are compatible with keto)? Why aren't you comparing 500 calories of beans (which are highly nutritious but not compatible with keto) to 500 calories of bacon grease?
i never said was on a keto diet. i recommended a low carb diet @100 grams of carbs/day, to the op.
foods certainly can be compared, and bread ranks poorly in comparison, nutritionally, to most vegetables or other keto diet items.
why should i compare bacon grease to bread? who's advocating a low carb diet that consists of a substantial amount of bacon grease?
beans are more acceptable in the right amounts, than bread. much of the carbs are in the form of fiber and they contain higher protein.
If you are going to compare food items, the at least compare like function with like function. Bread serves as a source of energy. Ergo it is only fair to compare it to a source of energy as used in keto. That would be fats. Comparing bread to spinach or cruciferous vegetables (not sources of energy) is disingenuous at best.
I eat bread to fuel my day. I sure as hell wouldn't eat spinach to fuel my day...
OP needs to figure out what kind of foods work for her goals and fit into the context of her life. If someone claims that something seems impossible is a clear indication for me that the chosen way of eating won't work for her.
So defending keto the way you are (when you're admittedly not even adhering to it yourself) just seems weird to me.9 -
ladyreva78 wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Or keep the bread if it is something you enjoy and something you know you will crave if you don't have it. The best way of losing weight is the one that you can adhere to long term, well into maintenance. It isn't just about losing weight but how to keep that weight off indefinitely once you achieve your goal. Don't make changes that you know you won't stick with. This just leads to yoyo dieting for most.
by that way of thinking, why give up anything you crave if it's going to cause discomfort. and why even make changes to your diet or lifestyle at all.
there was once a time when i thought there were many foods i couldn't live without, including ice cream, starchy vegetables, pasta, and bread too. that was until i found out i could live without them.
of course it'll take time to overcome cravings, and instead follow your good sense, and choose nutritionally dense foods. it won't happen overnight. but replacing the junk with nutritionally dense lower carb food should still be a long term goal. and until that time happens portion control should be exercised.
Exactly, why arbitrarily give up anything you crave if you feel better moderating it? That's how I lost the weight. I didn't give up anything, but I changed how much and/or how often I consume it. Some things felt better to lightly moderate, other things felt better to strictly moderate. If it causes less discomfort than the alternative but the end result is the same, why pick the harder route?
I mean, yes, anyone can give up anything they choose and get used to that, but the question is: do they need to? Does it make their life easier? Is the change sustainable? Will being exposed to these foods feel harder or easier when they give them up (like in the case of social eating, for example)? All of these questions are worth asking because the best change is the easiest change you can make to achieve your goal and sustain it.
Giving up bread and starchy carbs, in my case, would interfere with my goal of weight maintenance because they fill me up the most and I'm more likely to feel hungry without them.
i'm not saying you can't lose weight on other diets, but bread is simply not compatible with the op's keto diet or even low carb diet. it contains too many carbs.
i started out on a low calorie diet, low fat diet, and did lose weight, but my diet was lacking important nutrients, while consuming to much of the of the not so good nutrients like sodium and sugar, and i also felt like i was half starving myself all the time. once i changed to low carbohydrate and higher fat, i was able to eat a much higher quantity of food, enabling me to obtain high amounts of all the important nutrients, and never feel hungry. i completely lost every trace of my love handles, and have the body type of a fit 19 year old, and a bmi in the 19 range.
to maintain lean weight in a healthy way, you need to emphasize food quality first of all.
500 calories from bread and 500 calories from an avocado and a few eggs are entirely different. they have the same amount of energy, but the nutrients found in avocado and eggs far exceed the minuscule amount of nutrients that bread has. on keto, Meat Fish Dairy Eggs Vegetables Fruit (especially avocado, olives, berries) are acceptable.
To have a healthy diet you need to have a good balance of nutrients. This can be achieved with or without keto. Your experience is important because it's yours. It simply means you do better eating a keto diet. Not everyone shares your experience. I was starving all the time on keto when I tried it.
You can't really compare individual foods because most people's diets are made up of several foods. The comparison is also highly skewed to show the benefits of a certain eating philosophy. Why aren't you comparing 500 calories of bread (which does have a variety of nutrients) to 500 calories of oil or butter (which have a poor variety of nutrients but are compatible with keto)? Why aren't you comparing 500 calories of beans (which are highly nutritious but not compatible with keto) to 500 calories of bacon grease?
i never said was on a keto diet. i recommended a low carb diet @100 grams of carbs/day, to the op.
foods certainly can be compared, and bread ranks poorly in comparison, nutritionally, to most vegetables or other keto diet items.
why should i compare bacon grease to bread? who's advocating a low carb diet that consists of a substantial amount of bacon grease?
beans are more acceptable in the right amounts, than bread. much of the carbs are in the form of fiber and they contain higher protein.
If you are going to compare food items, the at least compare like function with like function. Bread serves as a source of energy. Ergo it is only fair to compare it to a source of energy as used in keto. That would be fats. Comparing bread to spinach or cruciferous vegetables (not sources of energy) is disingenuous at best.
I eat bread to fuel my day. I sure as hell wouldn't eat spinach to fuel my day...
OP needs to figure out what kind of foods work for her goals and fit into the context of her life. If someone claims that something seems impossible is a clear indication for me that the chosen way of eating won't work for her.
So defending keto the way you are (when you're admittedly not even adhering to it yourself) just seems weird to me.
i'm not sure why you keep saying i'm promoting keto, unless you just can't read. low carb is not necessarily keto.
i'm sorry if you're offended because bread is not rated as one of the more nutrient dense foods. but it's not. that's just a fact.
fish, such as salmon, trout, sardines and mackerel, rich in protein, fatty acids and B vitamins. ...
Eggs. ...
Seeds. ...
Nuts. ...
Avocado. ...
A high protein, low carb smoothie...
... are all are sources of energy, on a low carb diet, and are nutritionally superior to bread.
and vegetables are excellent sources of the key nutrients that promote higher energy levels as well.2 -
ladyreva78 wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Limited nutritional value? Mine gives me 8g of protein and 6g of fibre among other things. Not to mention I love it, it gives me energy, keeps me full and is a great vehicle for my peanut butter and jam.
ok, now compare it to a half cup of spinach or cruciferous vegetable, not to mention what it does to blood sugar levels.
bread is not compatible with a keto diet. one slice contains half a days carbo's allowed.
Carbs = energy source
Fat = energy source
Personally, I can't have more than 60g fat/day due to malabsorption issues (not worth the GI-Distress that causes). I can push it to 70g on a good day. But not 2-3 days in a row.
If I already have to restrict one energy source, why in the world would I severely restrict a second one just because someone thinks bread is some kind of evil? I want to lose weight, not end up malnourished.
Keto is not a universal truth. It doesn't suit everyone. Just because it suits your life, doesn't mean that it will suit everyone else.
I get to monitor 2 macros. Like you, I try to stay under 60 grams of fat because of malabsorption issues but I also am T2Dm so I need to stay under 150 g of total carbs. It would be nice if I didn't have to watch either but this is the way it is. I try to keep my snacks high protein, low fat so I don't have to make too many adjustments in my meals. I like my one-pot stews with rice or pasta added and I like sandwiches or wraps for lunch.
It is working. I am 60 lb. less than I was (more to go) and my A1c is staying around 5.5-5.7 with no insulin or medication needed. As I lose more weight, there is every reason to expect that my number will go down a little further. The gastric issues are reduced to maybe once every couple of weeks.4 -
pitbullpuppy wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »pitbullpuppy wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Or keep the bread if it is something you enjoy and something you know you will crave if you don't have it. The best way of losing weight is the one that you can adhere to long term, well into maintenance. It isn't just about losing weight but how to keep that weight off indefinitely once you achieve your goal. Don't make changes that you know you won't stick with. This just leads to yoyo dieting for most.
by that way of thinking, why give up anything you crave if it's going to cause discomfort. and why even make changes to your diet or lifestyle at all.
there was once a time when i thought there were many foods i couldn't live without, including ice cream, starchy vegetables, pasta, and bread too. that was until i found out i could live without them.
of course it'll take time to overcome cravings, and instead follow your good sense, and choose nutritionally dense foods. it won't happen overnight. but replacing the junk with nutritionally dense lower carb food should still be a long term goal. and until that time happens portion control should be exercised.
Exactly, why arbitrarily give up anything you crave if you feel better moderating it? That's how I lost the weight. I didn't give up anything, but I changed how much and/or how often I consume it. Some things felt better to lightly moderate, other things felt better to strictly moderate. If it causes less discomfort than the alternative but the end result is the same, why pick the harder route?
I mean, yes, anyone can give up anything they choose and get used to that, but the question is: do they need to? Does it make their life easier? Is the change sustainable? Will being exposed to these foods feel harder or easier when they give them up (like in the case of social eating, for example)? All of these questions are worth asking because the best change is the easiest change you can make to achieve your goal and sustain it.
Giving up bread and starchy carbs, in my case, would interfere with my goal of weight maintenance because they fill me up the most and I'm more likely to feel hungry without them.
i'm not saying you can't lose weight on other diets, but bread is simply not compatible with the op's keto diet or even low carb diet. it contains too many carbs.
i started out on a low calorie diet, low fat diet, and did lose weight, but my diet was lacking important nutrients, while consuming to much of the of the not so good nutrients like sodium and sugar, and i also felt like i was half starving myself all the time. once i changed to low carbohydrate and higher fat, i was able to eat a much higher quantity of food, enabling me to obtain high amounts of all the important nutrients, and never feel hungry. i completely lost every trace of my love handles, and have the body type of a fit 19 year old, and a bmi in the 19 range.
to maintain lean weight in a healthy way, you need to emphasize food quality first of all.
500 calories from bread and 500 calories from an avocado and a few eggs are entirely different. they have the same amount of energy, but the nutrients found in avocado and eggs far exceed the minuscule amount of nutrients that bread has. on keto, Meat Fish Dairy Eggs Vegetables Fruit (especially avocado, olives, berries) are acceptable.
Bread does not contain 'too many carbs'. There are a lot of keto friendly breads, but even normal bread can be done in moderation and when you subtract dietary fiber.
regular whole grain bread has about 25 carb's with 2 grams of fiber, per slice.
try fitting that into a keto diet of 20 grams of carb's per day. lolol
Congratulations on finding the highest bread carbs you could. On Walmart Grocery, I typed 'wheat bread', clicked the first one, and one slice is ~12 carbs. High, yes, but completely doable. If we're going to shoot for finding the highest possible carb count to form an argument, I counter your suggestion of nuts with cashews -9g carbs, no fiber; only the cashews are 160 calories vs the 60 from the bread (not to mention a feeling of satisfaction if the keto user wants to have bread in their diet). Not to mention that you totally glazed over the part where I specifically stated that there are keto friendly breads (some that are 0 net carbs).
lolol
i did say regular whole grain bread. even those tiny slices of ezekiel bread have 15-3 grams of carbs. you still ain't fitting that in a low carb keto diet, unless your portions are down right tiny.
cashews are not low carb friendly, nor did i say they were. nuts, in general, are low carb friendly.1 -
xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »pitbullpuppy wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »pitbullpuppy wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Or keep the bread if it is something you enjoy and something you know you will crave if you don't have it. The best way of losing weight is the one that you can adhere to long term, well into maintenance. It isn't just about losing weight but how to keep that weight off indefinitely once you achieve your goal. Don't make changes that you know you won't stick with. This just leads to yoyo dieting for most.
by that way of thinking, why give up anything you crave if it's going to cause discomfort. and why even make changes to your diet or lifestyle at all.
there was once a time when i thought there were many foods i couldn't live without, including ice cream, starchy vegetables, pasta, and bread too. that was until i found out i could live without them.
of course it'll take time to overcome cravings, and instead follow your good sense, and choose nutritionally dense foods. it won't happen overnight. but replacing the junk with nutritionally dense lower carb food should still be a long term goal. and until that time happens portion control should be exercised.
Exactly, why arbitrarily give up anything you crave if you feel better moderating it? That's how I lost the weight. I didn't give up anything, but I changed how much and/or how often I consume it. Some things felt better to lightly moderate, other things felt better to strictly moderate. If it causes less discomfort than the alternative but the end result is the same, why pick the harder route?
I mean, yes, anyone can give up anything they choose and get used to that, but the question is: do they need to? Does it make their life easier? Is the change sustainable? Will being exposed to these foods feel harder or easier when they give them up (like in the case of social eating, for example)? All of these questions are worth asking because the best change is the easiest change you can make to achieve your goal and sustain it.
Giving up bread and starchy carbs, in my case, would interfere with my goal of weight maintenance because they fill me up the most and I'm more likely to feel hungry without them.
i'm not saying you can't lose weight on other diets, but bread is simply not compatible with the op's keto diet or even low carb diet. it contains too many carbs.
i started out on a low calorie diet, low fat diet, and did lose weight, but my diet was lacking important nutrients, while consuming to much of the of the not so good nutrients like sodium and sugar, and i also felt like i was half starving myself all the time. once i changed to low carbohydrate and higher fat, i was able to eat a much higher quantity of food, enabling me to obtain high amounts of all the important nutrients, and never feel hungry. i completely lost every trace of my love handles, and have the body type of a fit 19 year old, and a bmi in the 19 range.
to maintain lean weight in a healthy way, you need to emphasize food quality first of all.
500 calories from bread and 500 calories from an avocado and a few eggs are entirely different. they have the same amount of energy, but the nutrients found in avocado and eggs far exceed the minuscule amount of nutrients that bread has. on keto, Meat Fish Dairy Eggs Vegetables Fruit (especially avocado, olives, berries) are acceptable.
Bread does not contain 'too many carbs'. There are a lot of keto friendly breads, but even normal bread can be done in moderation and when you subtract dietary fiber.
regular whole grain bread has about 25 carb's with 2 grams of fiber, per slice.
try fitting that into a keto diet of 20 grams of carb's per day. lolol
Congratulations on finding the highest bread carbs you could. On Walmart Grocery, I typed 'wheat bread', clicked the first one, and one slice is ~12 carbs. High, yes, but completely doable. If we're going to shoot for finding the highest possible carb count to form an argument, I counter your suggestion of nuts with cashews -9g carbs, no fiber; only the cashews are 160 calories vs the 60 from the bread (not to mention a feeling of satisfaction if the keto user wants to have bread in their diet). Not to mention that you totally glazed over the part where I specifically stated that there are keto friendly breads (some that are 0 net carbs).
lolol
i did say regular whole grain bread. even those tiny slices of ezekiel bread have 15-3 grams of carbs. you still ain't fitting that in a low carb keto diet, unless your portions are down right tiny.
cashews are not low carb friendly, nor did i say they were. nuts, in general, are low carb friendly.
Why can't you fit a slice of bread into a diet where you are eating 100 grams carbs a day? You seem to just have a mentality that bread is evil when it can easily be incorporated into a well balanced diet which hits all nutritional recommendations.
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pitbullpuppy wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »pitbullpuppy wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »pitbullpuppy wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »xxxpopeyexxx wrote: »probably should go low carb, @100 grams/day, but still lose the bread. it's of limited nutritional value. vegetables are quick and easy. just needs proper dressing and/or seasoning. as are nuts, legumes and dairy.
Or keep the bread if it is something you enjoy and something you know you will crave if you don't have it. The best way of losing weight is the one that you can adhere to long term, well into maintenance. It isn't just about losing weight but how to keep that weight off indefinitely once you achieve your goal. Don't make changes that you know you won't stick with. This just leads to yoyo dieting for most.
by that way of thinking, why give up anything you crave if it's going to cause discomfort. and why even make changes to your diet or lifestyle at all.
there was once a time when i thought there were many foods i couldn't live without, including ice cream, starchy vegetables, pasta, and bread too. that was until i found out i could live without them.
of course it'll take time to overcome cravings, and instead follow your good sense, and choose nutritionally dense foods. it won't happen overnight. but replacing the junk with nutritionally dense lower carb food should still be a long term goal. and until that time happens portion control should be exercised.
Exactly, why arbitrarily give up anything you crave if you feel better moderating it? That's how I lost the weight. I didn't give up anything, but I changed how much and/or how often I consume it. Some things felt better to lightly moderate, other things felt better to strictly moderate. If it causes less discomfort than the alternative but the end result is the same, why pick the harder route?
I mean, yes, anyone can give up anything they choose and get used to that, but the question is: do they need to? Does it make their life easier? Is the change sustainable? Will being exposed to these foods feel harder or easier when they give them up (like in the case of social eating, for example)? All of these questions are worth asking because the best change is the easiest change you can make to achieve your goal and sustain it.
Giving up bread and starchy carbs, in my case, would interfere with my goal of weight maintenance because they fill me up the most and I'm more likely to feel hungry without them.
i'm not saying you can't lose weight on other diets, but bread is simply not compatible with the op's keto diet or even low carb diet. it contains too many carbs.
i started out on a low calorie diet, low fat diet, and did lose weight, but my diet was lacking important nutrients, while consuming to much of the of the not so good nutrients like sodium and sugar, and i also felt like i was half starving myself all the time. once i changed to low carbohydrate and higher fat, i was able to eat a much higher quantity of food, enabling me to obtain high amounts of all the important nutrients, and never feel hungry. i completely lost every trace of my love handles, and have the body type of a fit 19 year old, and a bmi in the 19 range.
to maintain lean weight in a healthy way, you need to emphasize food quality first of all.
500 calories from bread and 500 calories from an avocado and a few eggs are entirely different. they have the same amount of energy, but the nutrients found in avocado and eggs far exceed the minuscule amount of nutrients that bread has. on keto, Meat Fish Dairy Eggs Vegetables Fruit (especially avocado, olives, berries) are acceptable.
Bread does not contain 'too many carbs'. There are a lot of keto friendly breads, but even normal bread can be done in moderation and when you subtract dietary fiber.
regular whole grain bread has about 25 carb's with 2 grams of fiber, per slice.
try fitting that into a keto diet of 20 grams of carb's per day. lolol
Congratulations on finding the highest bread carbs you could. On Walmart Grocery, I typed 'wheat bread', clicked the first one, and one slice is ~12 carbs. High, yes, but completely doable. If we're going to shoot for finding the highest possible carb count to form an argument, I counter your suggestion of nuts with cashews -9g carbs, no fiber; only the cashews are 160 calories vs the 60 from the bread (not to mention a feeling of satisfaction if the keto user wants to have bread in their diet). Not to mention that you totally glazed over the part where I specifically stated that there are keto friendly breads (some that are 0 net carbs).
lolol
i did say regular whole grain bread. even those tiny slices of ezekiel bread have 15-3 grams of carbs. you still ain't fitting that in a low carb keto diet, unless your portions are down right tiny.
cashews are not low carb friendly, nor did i say they were. nuts, in general, are low carb friendly.
It is regular whole grain bread. It is nothing special. It's Great Value brand.
it's a tiny 60 calorie slice. enjoy. don't think you can find any well known promoters of keto advocating it.1 -
I honestly don't understand why the disregard for personal desires and enjoyment are so widespread in the weight loss community. Physical nutritional needs are put on a pedestal but mental, social, and emotional needs are regarded as sins as if you aren't dieting correctly unless you care about nothing but nutrition. We're humans, not meat machines, and we have needs that go beyond fuel and nutrients.
When someone has a car and enjoys listening to music, do we shame them into selling their sound system to put more fuel into an already full tank? Obviously fuel is important, but once that's taken care of, what's wrong with listening to some music? Is adding more fuel to an overflowing tank morally superior?
I was at a friend's birthday the other day. I enjoyed the social ritual of eating cake together. I needed to socially connect and share an eating ritual of celebration, I didn't need to eat half a cup of spinach. I did the right thing for my body and mind by choosing to eat cake.
I tend to tank on a long run if I don't get some decent carb energy before the run. White bread, bananas, or honey oatmeal are usually my fuel of choice.
For breakfast today I had a sandwich. It tasted good and was very filling. It had sourdough rye bread, one of my favorite types of bread. I was happy and satisfied for reasonable calories without feeling like I was making a sacrifice. The rest of my meals had various foods with various nutrients (lots of vegetables, as usual), and I ended the day with a snack pack of Oreos. Bread was the right thing to eat because it fulfilled the purpose of keeping me physically full and mentally satisfied. Oreos were the right thing to eat because I had calories for them and they made me happy. Being happy makes eating a nutritious and calorie appropriate diet sustainable and aids me in my goal of maintaining my weight.
Different foods serve different main purposes. Nutrition is just one part of the puzzle.20
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