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Does where you live influence your weight & fitness?

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  • MikePfirrman
    MikePfirrman Posts: 3,307 Member
    edited July 2021
    Theoldguy1 wrote: »
    Our subdivision on the edge of town in a 150k person university community is set up pretty nice for activity. There is one main road through the center (not super busy, mainly subdivision traffic and people going out to the country), with 2 big loops off of it surrounding a municipal golf course, about 5 miles total around the loops. There is a sidewalk on one side of the street though the whole neighborhood, traffic light in the subdivision, just residents, visitors and deliveries. As you exit the subdivision you can cross a road and access a paved multipurpose trail that is about 45 miles in total throughout the community.

    Pretty bike and walker/runner friendly for exercise.

    Bike friendly helps a ton. I moved from Cincinnati to Tucson, which has a 50 mile "Loop Trail" that connects nearly the entire city and is off the road if you don't feel safe biking the roads. And around here, with all the older folks driving, it's not a bad idea to stay off the roads.

    Cincy was terrible on the streets, but they also had a nice bike trail (actually a great one, though weather only allowed its use like five months out of the year) through town. I never used it as much there, because it was further from my home.
  • Walkywalkerson
    Walkywalkerson Posts: 457 Member
    I haven't read the thread so sorry if I'm repeating anything.
    I'm in the UK in a small city with a lot of green space etc ..
    It is unusual to see very obese people here - the majority are of a normal weight.
    Of course fast food is available but it is balanced with a lot of healthier options because there is a high demand for it.
  • MargaretYakoda
    MargaretYakoda Posts: 2,995 Member
    I haven't read the thread so sorry if I'm repeating anything.
    I'm in the UK in a small city with a lot of green space etc ..
    It is unusual to see very obese people here - the majority are of a normal weight.
    Of course fast food is available but it is balanced with a lot of healthier options because there is a high demand for it.

    Hey. I have a question.

    I live in the US. I’ve lived in a few different areas over the years. And even in the urban areas there were few parks compared to where I lived in British Columbia.
    What parks there are will have a running track, usually. But as far as exercise equipment? That’s about it.

    OK soccer fields and tennis courts exist.

    But not balance beams and chin up bars, like I saw frequently in BC.

    Also? In BC there was a little neighborhood park everywhere as far as I could see. In the urban and suburban areas, anyhow.

    I developed the idea that since healthcare was paid for by the government, it was in the best interest of the government to provide as much opportunity to exercise as they could.

    So. My question: Are there little parks within easy walking distance in urban and suburban areas in the UK? Parks with things like chin up bars and balance beams?
  • callsitlikeiseeit
    callsitlikeiseeit Posts: 8,626 Member
    I haven't read through all the comments, though I may later.

    I think it does, absolutely but i think theres more to it, too.

    Education, income (means), time (to shop/ prepare meals), availability of goods all factor into it.

    Take where I live. Chase City Virginia. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chase_City,_Virginia) - If you want a snapshot into the armpit of nowhere....

    Very small, southern, rural town. It should just be called Chase because there is no city here.

    population (including outlying areas, like where I am - just shy of 2500 people. Average FAMILY income - $32K. Makes our income of $100K look like the freaking Rockerfellers. I have multiple degrees. Hubby moved from Canada a couple of years ago to marry me (bless him for that sacrifice lol) and is a union sheet metal foreman. We have a small farm on top of that.

    Education here is poor. GOOD jobs here... rare. Plenty of jobs, but most in retail or food service. Go a bit further out from our town (I'll give a 45 minute radius) and you have more opportunities. But even when there are good jobs... people here, don't want to work. Solar farms are being installed outside of town and they had a job fair to hire workers. Good pay (for the area). $15-20/hour. over 4 days? 2 people showed up. TWO.

    Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

    Here in town we have ONE grocery store. A Chain store. nothing special. walmart is 30 minutes away. Go in. All you see, and I am quite serious when I say this, is overweight people with carts full of frozen prepared foods, hamburger helper, and sodas. carts literally overflowing with sodas. hanging off the sides. and beer. dont forget the beer. very very few people of 'normal' weight.

    The first thing you see when you walk in are displays of junk food that are on sale. And then you see junk food highly visible throughout the ENTIRE store.

    The produce section is TINY. And... sad. truly. the quality is sad. I get most of my produce from my best friend's garden, honestly. What I can't get from her, we take day trips to a larger town (we call it going to 'civilization') to go shopping for things we can't get locally. But many, if not most, people here can't afford to do that. They don't have cars, or can't afford the gas, or can't afford the time, or simply can't afford the higher prices in cities (or suburbs of them, where we go) like Raleigh or Richmond (we are halfway between the two).

    The store, I am sure, focuses on what SELLS. They are in it to make money. We care for a gentleman who has celiac and the GF section is abysmally small. I can find much more in the larger cities for him. Finding gourmet items of any kind? Nope. Not gonna happen. I cant even buy BEAN SPROUTS here. I am not joking.

    If you compare our household and my best friend's - so two families with similar income and education (College educated and ~$100K) to those in the area with an 'area typical' education and income (which would be HS diploma and under $35K for a family) - I am pretty sure you would find that how they shop, cook, and live in general would be vastly different. my best friend and i make almost everything from scratch. it is cheaper to do so in most cases and is better for you (which is really why we both do it). we are both very active. she is like... super mom even though our kids are in high school and i have the farm that keeps me busy. then we both have the local theater that is the bane of our existence. we dont buy sodas ( i admit i used to but dont now- a med im on make them taste horrible lol), we dont buy much in the way of prepackaged foods other than snacks for our teen boys- but certainly not for meals, we dont do hamburger helper type stuff, etc). We dont watch hours of television every day, etc...)

    I obviously can't speak for how active people are that I dont even know, but I do know that the other active people i know (who also typically eat reasonably healthy, as best I know, anyway) are of similar socioeconomic backgrounds as us.

    i hope my rambling nonsense made ... sense. But I do think that where we live can influence how we live but maybe more so than that, who we are AROUND can influence how we live. Active people tend to gravitate towards active people. Those who live a healthier lifestyle tend to want to be around those who live a healthier lifestyle. It's if nothing else, a shared interest thing.



  • wunderkindking
    wunderkindking Posts: 1,615 Member
    I haven't read through all the comments, though I may later.

    I think it does, absolutely but i think theres more to it, too.

    Education, income (means), time (to shop/ prepare meals), availability of goods all factor into it.

    Take where I live. Chase City Virginia. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chase_City,_Virginia) - If you want a snapshot into the armpit of nowhere....

    Very small, southern, rural town. It should just be called Chase because there is no city here.

    population (including outlying areas, like where I am - just shy of 2500 people. Average FAMILY income - $32K. Makes our income of $100K look like the freaking Rockerfellers. I have multiple degrees. Hubby moved from Canada a couple of years ago to marry me (bless him for that sacrifice lol) and is a union sheet metal foreman. We have a small farm on top of that.

    Education here is poor. GOOD jobs here... rare. Plenty of jobs, but most in retail or food service. Go a bit further out from our town (I'll give a 45 minute radius) and you have more opportunities. But even when there are good jobs... people here, don't want to work. Solar farms are being installed outside of town and they had a job fair to hire workers. Good pay (for the area). $15-20/hour. over 4 days? 2 people showed up. TWO.

    Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

    Here in town we have ONE grocery store. A Chain store. nothing special. walmart is 30 minutes away. Go in. All you see, and I am quite serious when I say this, is overweight people with carts full of frozen prepared foods, hamburger helper, and sodas. carts literally overflowing with sodas. hanging off the sides. and beer. dont forget the beer. very very few people of 'normal' weight.

    The first thing you see when you walk in are displays of junk food that are on sale. And then you see junk food highly visible throughout the ENTIRE store.

    The produce section is TINY. And... sad. truly. the quality is sad. I get most of my produce from my best friend's garden, honestly. What I can't get from her, we take day trips to a larger town (we call it going to 'civilization') to go shopping for things we can't get locally. But many, if not most, people here can't afford to do that. They don't have cars, or can't afford the gas, or can't afford the time, or simply can't afford the higher prices in cities (or suburbs of them, where we go) like Raleigh or Richmond (we are halfway between the two).

    The store, I am sure, focuses on what SELLS. They are in it to make money. We care for a gentleman who has celiac and the GF section is abysmally small. I can find much more in the larger cities for him. Finding gourmet items of any kind? Nope. Not gonna happen. I cant even buy BEAN SPROUTS here. I am not joking.

    If you compare our household and my best friend's - so two families with similar income and education (College educated and ~$100K) to those in the area with an 'area typical' education and income (which would be HS diploma and under $35K for a family) - I am pretty sure you would find that how they shop, cook, and live in general would be vastly different. my best friend and i make almost everything from scratch. it is cheaper to do so in most cases and is better for you (which is really why we both do it). we are both very active. she is like... super mom even though our kids are in high school and i have the farm that keeps me busy. then we both have the local theater that is the bane of our existence. we dont buy sodas ( i admit i used to but dont now- a med im on make them taste horrible lol), we dont buy much in the way of prepackaged foods other than snacks for our teen boys- but certainly not for meals, we dont do hamburger helper type stuff, etc). We dont watch hours of television every day, etc...)

    I obviously can't speak for how active people are that I dont even know, but I do know that the other active people i know (who also typically eat reasonably healthy, as best I know, anyway) are of similar socioeconomic backgrounds as us.

    i hope my rambling nonsense made ... sense. But I do think that where we live can influence how we live but maybe more so than that, who we are AROUND can influence how we live. Active people tend to gravitate towards active people. Those who live a healthier lifestyle tend to want to be around those who live a healthier lifestyle. It's if nothing else, a shared interest thing.



    This is also true for my area.

    Another factor is that when the job you can get pays very little you often have more than one per person, and 'opposing hours'. So in addition to financial cost of getting to better supermarkets you have a time sink in getting to those further afield stores and the time cost of cooking the food.

    Which means it may be doable but painful and exhausting, especially if you have small kids - and are working 2 jobs at strange hours and aren't all that healthy (due to finances to pay for the medical care, time to go, and/or what you've been eating).

    Stuff's hard.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    Suburbs are generally not friendly to walking, cycling, or being alive. Let's not confuse them with the city, though. If a city is a family run Indian restaurant, the suburbs are Olive Garden.

    I think it depends. Greater Albuquerque is crap for being pedestrian friendly or cycling friendly. The only places that are walkable to anything are the university/Nob Hill area and downtown. In these areas you can walk or bike to a plethora of restaurants and bars and other shops. The rest of the city is urban sprawl personified. Albuquerque does have a great multi use trail system though...but most people have to drive to an access point to use it. And there's great mountain biking in the foothills as well as a bit further north in Placitas.

    I live in a small village suburb of Abq that is plenty walkable and bikeable as well as horse rideable. We regularly walk or bike to main street and "downtown" to hit up a restaurant or the Ex Novo brewery. "Downtown" consists of about 5 restaurants, the brewery, several galleries, a corner store (which interestingly sells some really good fresh produce), and a few other odds and ends shops. We rode to Ex Novo last Saturday night for our anniversary to have a couple beers and some Tikka food truck food and another couple road up in their horse and wagon and I could only think...only in Corrales.
  • Walkywalkerson
    Walkywalkerson Posts: 457 Member
    I haven't read the thread so sorry if I'm repeating anything.
    I'm in the UK in a small city with a lot of green space etc ..
    It is unusual to see very obese people here - the majority are of a normal weight.
    Of course fast food is available but it is balanced with a lot of healthier options because there is a high demand for it.

    Hey. I have a question.

    I live in the US. I’ve lived in a few different areas over the years. And even in the urban areas there were few parks compared to where I lived in British Columbia.
    What parks there are will have a running track, usually. But as far as exercise equipment? That’s about it.

    OK soccer fields and tennis courts exist.

    But not balance beams and chin up bars, like I saw frequently in BC.

    Also? In BC there was a little neighborhood park everywhere as far as I could see. In the urban and suburban areas, anyhow.

    I developed the idea that since healthcare was paid for by the government, it was in the best interest of the government to provide as much opportunity to exercise as they could.

    So. My question: Are there little parks within easy walking distance in urban and suburban areas in the UK? Parks with things like chin up bars and balance beams?

    It depends where you live
    I live in the Shires so there are a lot of green spaces, cycle paths and parks with exercise equipment like you mentioned.
    Even in Central London there are parks and green spaces - these things are accessible for most people as most places are a short tube or bus ride away.
    The Government also offer subsidised gym memberships for people on low income.
    I think there are a lot of reasons people are very overweight and having the 'right environment' is a poor excuse.
    Fasting is free , exercising at home or outside in nature is free.
    Walking or cycling to the shop that sells fresh food is free.
    A fast food habit to sustain a 300 lb person is probably more expensive than buying fresh food.



  • Turtlemummy
    Turtlemummy Posts: 71 Member
    I don't usually post but this caught my attention. I'm also in the UK. I live in the countryside but even the nearest village has 2 parks. The smallish towns have at least 3 each. Urban and suburban housing areas usually have at least a children's play area within walking distance.

    Going back to the OP, I find the topic really interesting. I'm not so sure precise location defines weight and fitness, but definitely the social environment can. Not via peer pressure, but I think more due to, as already mentioned, the human desire to "belong" and the herd mentality. I know subconsciously I pay more attention to my weight and fitness if I hang out with slim friends, or others watching their own weight. (no of course I don't choose my friends like that, it's just sthg I've noticed). I recently moved work location (same job) to a base where keeping fit and maintaining a healthy weight is more the norm amongst the workforce, and noone bats an eyelid if I refuse a slice of cake etc. Of course nothing forces anyone to give into temptation, but it's a lot easier when there are more like minded people.
    These days though, social environment does not have to be physical. Websites and community forums can, to a certain extent, replace an "unhelpful" physical environment. I am a member of an online running community where it's totally normal to run 15-20 miles, or more, a week. That's not normal amongst any of my real life friends, so it gives me that sense of normality and motivation. Reading stories and posts here does similar for calorie counting and weight loss.
  • Walkywalkerson
    Walkywalkerson Posts: 457 Member
    I agree with Turtlemummy that herd mentality is definitely an influence.
    I just read an article from a newspaper that stated people in the States consider a 30 minute walk too far!
    I find that unbelievable and no wonder obesity is an epidemic there!
    I'll try and post the link.
  • tnh2o
    tnh2o Posts: 161 Member
    @callsitlikeiseeit You live in a metropolis! My town is population 1200. For a while I lived outside of "town" with no cell service and 25 miles from the nearest traffic light. Lots of obesity but access to great produce. The Mennonites have a farm market here.
    Pre covid I hiked the Cotswolds in the UK. Afternoon tea was a delight. The baked goods were delicious but much less sweet and better tasting than what is available in the U.S.
  • callsitlikeiseeit
    callsitlikeiseeit Posts: 8,626 Member
    tnh2o wrote: »
    @callsitlikeiseeit You live in a metropolis! My town is population 1200. For a while I lived outside of "town" with no cell service and 25 miles from the nearest traffic light. Lots of obesity but access to great produce. The Mennonites have a farm market here.
    Pre covid I hiked the Cotswolds in the UK. Afternoon tea was a delight. The baked goods were delicious but much less sweet and better tasting than what is available in the U.S.

    I think in town limits the population is 600 something. 2 stoplights. Don't know that either one is actually needed. LOL
  • Walkywalkerson
    Walkywalkerson Posts: 457 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    I agree with Turtlemummy that herd mentality is definitely an influence.
    I just read an article from a newspaper that stated people in the States consider a 30 minute walk too far!
    I find that unbelievable and no wonder obesity is an epidemic there!
    I'll try and post the link.

    Sure, an article about a social media thread is the ideal way to find out what everyone in a large, diverse country does and thinks.

    The last two paragraphs are the only useful ones: Something more like research suggests the average USAian walks 1200 fewer steps on the average day than the average UKian.

    I (USAian) agree that many adults where I am seem oddly averse to walking, possibly even in circumstances where walking is viable. My guess is that those more inclined to walking might spend less time on social media describing or defending not walking.

    Just a guess, though, no research . . . kind of like all but the last 2 paragraphs of that article.

    Don't worry - I doubt anyone has taken an article from a newspaper too seriously 🤣
    Just like I take comments on this forum with a pinch of salt.
    It's a very aggressive unwelcoming place.
  • MargaretYakoda
    MargaretYakoda Posts: 2,995 Member
    I agree with Turtlemummy that herd mentality is definitely an influence.
    I just read an article from a newspaper that stated people in the States consider a 30 minute walk too far!
    I find that unbelievable and no wonder obesity is an epidemic there!
    I'll try and post the link.

    In USA a pedestrian is a person who just parked their car.

    There’s an interesting history to that:

    https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    Somebody describing working for Uber. This reminded me of the question of whether Americans walk. This isn't a fair answer of it's because of a heat wave, but still.


    I had a particularly unpleasant experience once when I received a call for a mall pickup. It was in the summer and it was hot. When I arrived, four teenage girls piled into my car and had me drive them across the parking lot because it was too hot for them to walk to their car. The entire ride was not even a minute. They then gave me a low rating because I took too long to get to them and didn’t provide them with bottled iced water. I made $2.00 on a ride, got a lower rating which could cost me my job, and spent almost half an hour of my time on the ride.
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,887 Member
    I haven't read the thread so sorry if I'm repeating anything.
    I'm in the UK in a small city with a lot of green space etc ..
    It is unusual to see very obese people here - the majority are of a normal weight.
    Of course fast food is available but it is balanced with a lot of healthier options because there is a high demand for it.

    Hey. I have a question.

    I live in the US. I’ve lived in a few different areas over the years. And even in the urban areas there were few parks compared to where I lived in British Columbia.
    What parks there are will have a running track, usually. But as far as exercise equipment? That’s about it.

    OK soccer fields and tennis courts exist.

    But not balance beams and chin up bars, like I saw frequently in BC.

    Also? In BC there was a little neighborhood park everywhere as far as I could see. In the urban and suburban areas, anyhow.

    I developed the idea that since healthcare was paid for by the government, it was in the best interest of the government to provide as much opportunity to exercise as they could.

    So. My question: Are there little parks within easy walking distance in urban and suburban areas in the UK? Parks with things like chin up bars and balance beams?

    Do you think parks having chin up bars and balance beams would affect the obesity rate? I really don't, and I grew up near a park (in the US) with lots of exercise stops (although not specifically those things). I don't think it added to just having running/walking/biking areas (which this place had a ton of) in effect.

    Where I live in the US there are tons of parks and it is very walkable/runnable and there are easily accessible bike paths.
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,887 Member
    I agree with Turtlemummy that herd mentality is definitely an influence.
    I just read an article from a newspaper that stated people in the States consider a 30 minute walk too far!
    I find that unbelievable and no wonder obesity is an epidemic there!
    I'll try and post the link.

    In USA a pedestrian is a person who just parked their car.

    IMO, this is an over generalization. I have always lived in areas where one can use public transportation and walk for all shopping, and still do. I lived here for 14 years before getting a car and only did bc I have to drive to the 'burbs sometimes for work, wanted to be able to do longer road trips w/o renting a car, and wanted to be able to go to biking paths in the 'burbs (there are also lots in the city). I walk a ton for shopping and to get to friends or for public transit (my L stop isn't so close, although I could bus to it, walking is a nice way to get in steps).

    Lots of people where I live bike a lot (I sometimes do), and there is a well-used Divvy system. I know you bike a lot, so that puzzles me more about your over generalization about people in the US. I know many who don't even own cars, as I didn't for years, and my sister and a good friend don't even have licenses.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 37,129 Member
    I haven't read the thread so sorry if I'm repeating anything.
    I'm in the UK in a small city with a lot of green space etc ..
    It is unusual to see very obese people here - the majority are of a normal weight.
    Of course fast food is available but it is balanced with a lot of healthier options because there is a high demand for it.

    Hey. I have a question.

    I live in the US. I’ve lived in a few different areas over the years. And even in the urban areas there were few parks compared to where I lived in British Columbia.
    What parks there are will have a running track, usually. But as far as exercise equipment? That’s about it.

    OK soccer fields and tennis courts exist.

    But not balance beams and chin up bars, like I saw frequently in BC.

    Also? In BC there was a little neighborhood park everywhere as far as I could see. In the urban and suburban areas, anyhow.

    I developed the idea that since healthcare was paid for by the government, it was in the best interest of the government to provide as much opportunity to exercise as they could.

    So. My question: Are there little parks within easy walking distance in urban and suburban areas in the UK? Parks with things like chin up bars and balance beams?

    Meant to answer this earlier, but forgot until I saw Lemur's response.

    The park where I've been starting my post-rowing walks this summer has one of those outdoor workout-station kinds of areas, though not chin up bars or balance beams specifically. There are things like lat pulldown, chest press, leg press, leg raise, dips, and some others (don't remember all of them), with bodyweight as the resistance, or a fixed weight. (For example, when you do the seated pull-downs, the seat raises as well as the handles moving downward, so that your bodyweight is what provides the weight/resistance.)

    It's rarely used, but I've seen some people use it. Before recent surgery, I started using parts of it myself, at the end of my walk, just as an experiment. It's entertaining, but a little ineffective IMO: For me, some parts are too easy (leg press, for example), and some are too hard (things where I need to support my bodyweight on my forearms - shoulder joints shriek). I assume it'd be variously ineffective in similar ways for other people. Once I'm cleared, I'll probably start using some of the stations again just for the grins (doing it > not doing it, in fitness terms).

    There used to be more of these kinds of areas, like alongside running paths there would be stations, intermittently. I think they got little use, weren't replaced when they wore out. In a world with gyms where the cost per month is less than buying a pizza, I can't see this sort of thing as very useful in a place (like here) where it's too cold to be pleasant for several months of the year, and too hot to be pleasant for another couple of months, and the workout stations aren't all that effective anyway.

    What *is* popular here IME, is the school systems' adult education fitness classes, and/or low-cost open gym/weight-room or swimming pool evening hours . . . when we're not in the midst of a pandemic, anyway.
  • tnh2o
    tnh2o Posts: 161 Member
    When I lived in a midsized city my world was pretty much within two miles of my house - grocery stores, restaurants, library, drug store, medical care and more. Now I live in the country and anything within a 2 HOUR drive is an option. Walking or biking around here would involve roads with no shoulders and unrestrained dogs. The heat and the hills I can manage.
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,524 Member


    When I was in China, there were huge outdoor adult playgrounds - and many many local people using them.
    They were sort of a meeting place for retired people - people used the equipment as well as playing ad hoc physical group games like handball and sedentary games like cards or backgammon or doing calligraphy with water painting on the ground
    People spent many hours there.

    Here in Australia there are sometimes little sections of adult equipment next to the children's equipment or sometimes stand alone along the beach boardwalk or similar.

    Ive noticed adults using them for a few minutes, never a serious workout, more just a little have a try thing or occupy yourself while your child is on the children's stuff.

  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    I agree with Turtlemummy that herd mentality is definitely an influence.
    I just read an article from a newspaper that stated people in the States consider a 30 minute walk too far!
    I find that unbelievable and no wonder obesity is an epidemic there!
    I'll try and post the link.

    In USA a pedestrian is a person who just parked their car.

    IMO, this is an over generalization. I have always lived in areas where one can use public transportation and walk for all shopping, and still do. I lived here for 14 years before getting a car and only did bc I have to drive to the 'burbs sometimes for work, wanted to be able to do longer road trips w/o renting a car, and wanted to be able to go to biking paths in the 'burbs (there are also lots in the city). I walk a ton for shopping and to get to friends or for public transit (my L stop isn't so close, although I could bus to it, walking is a nice way to get in steps).

    Lots of people where I live bike a lot (I sometimes do), and there is a well-used Divvy system. I know you bike a lot, so that puzzles me more about your over generalization about people in the US. I know many who don't even own cars, as I didn't for years, and my sister and a good friend don't even have licenses.

    I hoped it wouldn't come to this, but I'm going to tell the truth. "A pedestrian in America is someone who just parked their car" is a joke I heard years ago and mostly forgot, but became relevant again when somebody asked if Americans really refuse to walk. I hoped people would just think I was funny and clever. 🙂
  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,190 Member
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    I agree with Turtlemummy that herd mentality is definitely an influence.
    I just read an article from a newspaper that stated people in the States consider a 30 minute walk too far!
    I find that unbelievable and no wonder obesity is an epidemic there!
    I'll try and post the link.

    In USA a pedestrian is a person who just parked their car.

    IMO, this is an over generalization. I have always lived in areas where one can use public transportation and walk for all shopping, and still do. I lived here for 14 years before getting a car and only did bc I have to drive to the 'burbs sometimes for work, wanted to be able to do longer road trips w/o renting a car, and wanted to be able to go to biking paths in the 'burbs (there are also lots in the city). I walk a ton for shopping and to get to friends or for public transit (my L stop isn't so close, although I could bus to it, walking is a nice way to get in steps).

    Lots of people where I live bike a lot (I sometimes do), and there is a well-used Divvy system. I know you bike a lot, so that puzzles me more about your over generalization about people in the US. I know many who don't even own cars, as I didn't for years, and my sister and a good friend don't even have licenses.

    I hoped it wouldn't come to this, but I'm going to tell the truth. "A pedestrian in America is someone who just parked their car" is a joke I heard years ago and mostly forgot, but became relevant again when somebody asked if Americans really refuse to walk. I hoped people would just think I was funny and clever. 🙂

    I have this very vague memory of hearing someone tell this joke (Jay Leno?), but instead of "America," it was "Los Angeles."
  • goldenxbeauty
    goldenxbeauty Posts: 154 Member
    For me, yes.
    I grew up in Toronto area. Had a gym membership for much of my life and never used it because I didnt want to walk there and back.

    Now I'm in rural northern Ontario. Closest gym is an hr each way but my lifestyle forces me too be functionally fit, moreso than I've ever been in my life.
    For example, if i dont cut, split and stack 10 cord of firewood each summer, we freeze. If we dont hunt, grow and fish, we spend extraordinary amounts of money on food when it's better spent elsewhere.

    My hobbies are mainly outdoor because that's what this area is known for is the outdoor opportunities.