November 2020 Monthly Running Challenge
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Camaramandy648 wrote: »I wish we could change everything around, but it's set. We've already committed. I think what we're going to do is pin down some dates when I can bring the kids just for a visit so it isn't about running and they will still get to see their uncle and cousins etc.I would strongly encourage you to consider postponing. It sounds like you are the only one really committed to this, and it's not a distance to take lightly. There are a LOT of potential negative consequences to this decision, not only for you but your family as well.ETA spoiler, cause maybe this is controversial or too debate-like
Ok, so you'll be running alone. How will you carry all of the food and water you'll need? And what about your gear - dry layers to change into if you start getting cold? You just said you don't remember what you did last winter, so I take that to mean you haven't trained with and tested the gear you'll be putting your safety on, in the weather you'll be facing. What is your plan for when you start hallucinating or get lost? If something goes wrong with your nutrition plan and you can't keep anything down, there's not going to be an aid station ahead staffed with friendly people who understand what you're doing. Do you have a plan for if you get an unexpected injury? So much can happen in an ultra, even when you have drop boxes and aid stations and crews. Even if it all goes well, you're still putting a huge risk on your family's shoulders, and they may resent you for that. I recommend you find an actual race, train for the conditions, and do it surrounded by the ultra-running community that is so famous for being awesome. That would be a beautiful lesson for your children.
I'm sorry about your friends and brother. You never know what might have happened. But maybe it all happened this way to show you that this is not the right time. Most of us here have had races canceled this year, races that really mattered to us. We get it, and we've all dealt differently, and that's OK. Some ran it anyway, to different degrees, some didn't. But this isn't a distance you should be attempting solo for your first go at it. It's just not wise, in my opinion.7 -
@Camaramandy648 That sounds like a great plan. I've forgotten, when is your run?
@AlphaHowls You are awesome. What is this "earth journey" you are on?
@62Rich Congratulations on making your November goal and beating your highest mileage year with another month to go! You are doing great!
@Faebert Congrats on making your goal!1 -
polskagirl01 wrote: »Camaramandy648 wrote: »I wish we could change everything around, but it's set. We've already committed. I think what we're going to do is pin down some dates when I can bring the kids just for a visit so it isn't about running and they will still get to see their uncle and cousins etc.I would strongly encourage you to consider postponing. It sounds like you are the only one really committed to this, and it's not a distance to take lightly. There are a LOT of potential negative consequences to this decision, not only for you but your family as well.ETA spoiler, cause maybe this is controversial or too debate-like
Ok, so you'll be running alone. How will you carry all of the food and water you'll need? And what about your gear - dry layers to change into if you start getting cold? You just said you don't remember what you did last winter, so I take that to mean you haven't trained with and tested the gear you'll be putting your safety on, in the weather you'll be facing. What is your plan for when you start hallucinating or get lost? If something goes wrong with your nutrition plan and you can't keep anything down, there's not going to be an aid station ahead staffed with friendly people who understand what you're doing. Do you have a plan for if you get an unexpected injury? So much can happen in an ultra, even when you have drop boxes and aid stations and crews. Even if it all goes well, you're still putting a huge risk on your family's shoulders, and they may resent you for that. I recommend you find an actual race, train for the conditions, and do it surrounded by the ultra-running community that is so famous for being awesome. That would be a beautiful lesson for your children.
I'm sorry about your friends and brother. You never know what might have happened. But maybe it all happened this way to show you that this is not the right time. Most of us here have had races canceled this year, races that really mattered to us. We get it, and we've all dealt differently, and that's OK. Some ran it anyway, to different degrees, some didn't. But this isn't a distance you should be attempting solo for your first go at it. It's just not wise, in my opinion.
I think @polskagirl01 raises some good points. I know this means a lot to you. Please consider everything she mentioned and if you do move forwars please have a plan for those issues.
I had forgotten about the hallucinations. A podcast I listened to was talking about hers during a 100 miler. She struggled even though she knew they were hallucinations.4 -
I haven’t received my Pastor Vincent medal yet but I am in the UK so I’m guessing it will take a while. I don’t have many running medals but they all mean something special. Will be so nice to add ‘his’ one.
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Great points @polskagirl011
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11/1 Ran 3.0 miles – Walked 1.0 mile - Treadmill
11/2 Ran 3.0 miles – Walked 1.0 mile – Treadmill
11/3 Rest day – 11,626 steps
11/4 Ran 3.0 miles – Walked 1.0 mile – Treadmill
11/5 Helped saw wood – 11,266 steps
11/6 Ran 3.0 miles – Walked 1.50 miles – Field and Driveway laps
11/7 Roan Mountain 10K – According to Garmin, I actually did 6.33 miles
11/8 Rest day – 11,555 steps
11/9 Ran 3.0 miles – Walked 1.5 miles – Field and Driveway laps
11/10 No Run Day - Worked in the leaves
11/11 Rest day – 9,273 steps
11/12 Ran 3.5 miles – Walked 1.0 mile – Driveway laps
11/13 Rest day – 11,408 steps
11/14 Ran 3.6 miles – Walked 1.5 miles – Driveway laps and worked in the leaves again
11/15 Rest day – 11,484 steps
11/16 Ran 3.0 miles – Walked 0.75 miles – Treadmill and sawed wood
11/17 No Run – Walked 3.0 miles – Treadmill – 11,551 steps
11/18 Ran 4.0 miles – Walked 1.0 mile – Treadmill
11/19 Rest day – twinge in right thigh – 11,711 steps
11/20 Rest day – 10,823 steps
11/21 No run day – cleaned gutters, blew leaves, raked, and mowed – 13,675 steps
11/22 Rest day due to being moody – 11,914 steps
11/23 Ran 4.0 miles – Walked 1.0 mile – Easy treadmill run
11/24 Rest day – Took dad to VA appointments – 10,562 steps
11/25 Ran 3.0 miles – Walked 1.0 mile – Driveway laps
11/26 Ran 3.25 miles – Walked 1.0 mile – Driveway laps
11/27 Day 2 of Thanksgiving with no time to exercise – 4,671 steps
11/28 Ran 4.25 miles – Walked 1.0 mile – On the road
11/29 Rest day – 10,959 steps
11/30 Ran 2.75 miles – Walked 1.0 mile - Treadmill
I have decided that I need a plan to follow, as I was starting to get bored with just running a fairly easy pace for 40 - 45 minutes each time. So, I started Matt Fitzgerald's 10K plan today. Since he does most of his runs at an easy pace, I figure I can modify it a little and still stay safe.
It is really cold outside, and getting colder all day, so I did a treadmill session. The plan called for a Fast Finish Run - basically warm up for 5 minutes, 15 minutes at an easy pace, and finish with 5 minutes at a moderate pace. I added in a cool down run to get to a good stopping point mileage wise.
Speaking of which, here are my monthly totals: Walked = 20.25 miles, Ran 52.68 miles. That makes my total for the month 54.93 miles. I really should have looked at this before I cooled down. What would it have taken to get that extra 0.07 miles? About 7 seconds! Not worth even worrying about. Glad I'm not too OCD about these things.
Edited to include that I did get in at least 10,000 steps on days I didn't run for all but 2 days this month. One of those days it was close. The other, not even!7 -
@Camaramandy648 , I too think @polskagirl01 makes some excellent points. I trust your judgement to do the smart thing.1
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@quilteryoyo might be my math skills but isn't 20.25 and 52.68 72.93?2
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@quilteryoyo @polska_girl @skippygirlsmom @Tramboman
LOD time is 12/28/2020 0500
There is no not doing it now. I don't have to make it to 100. Though I am going to try.
To put you a little at ease, I will not be entirely alone. There is a running community in Indy also. I have reached out to them. We'll see who shows up. I also still have my brother, who will be tracking me 100% of the way with all of my gear, extra everything, fuel, checks to see if I should keep going or not, etc. When I spoke with him on Saturday, he said "This is my commitment to you. I will be with you the whole time. You and me have this."
We still may not make it to 100. Though we are going to try.
I don't think I've spoken of my big brother much, but if anyone can get me to listen, it's him. If anyone can keep me alive, it's him. If anyone can see when it is time to stop, it's him. Army for 25 years / infantry sergeant. He is the absolute embodiment of excellence in everything.
So right now. The plan is we're going and we're going to try. We don't quit before we at least try.9 -
Hahaha @skippygirlsmom ! You are correct. Don't know what I was/wasn't thinking.1
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Today I wanted to test a bit of running to see how my hamstring would respond and feel. So I walked to the trail then ran until my hamstring complained a little then did a walk/run and finally walked the rest of the way home. My head really wanted me to keep trying to run so it was a battle to say no and listen to my leg. Oh and did I mention it is hot again! 80F on the 30th of November! We have agility tonight so I am going to be super careful not to do anything to cause the hamstring to flare up again. Tomorrow is rest/cross training then on Wednesday I will repeat run/walk intervals and listen to my leg and just walk as need be.
I did not make goal as expected but was not as far short as I thought I might be. I could have gotten closer by getting out yesterday but after the long walk on Saturday the rest was important.
Date..........Miles........Total
11/01.......0.00.........0.00
11/02.......5.39.........5.39 - + Agility Class
11/03.......0.00.........5.39 - HIIT, Stretch and Roll Class and Aerobics/Strength Training
11/04.......5.75.......11.14
11/05.......0.00.......11.14
11/06.......5.65.......16.79
11/07.......4.23.......21.02
11/08.......0.00.......21.02
11/09.......5.00.......26.02 - + Agility Class
11/10.......0.00.......26.02
11/11.......5.70.......31.72 - ASICS World Ekiden 2020
11/12.......0.00.......31.72 - Strength Training @ Home
11/13.......6.00.......37.72 - ASICS World Ekiden 2020 - Redux
11/14.......4.46.......42.18
11/15.......0.00.......42.18 - Strength Training @ Home
11/16.......5.68.......47.86 - + Agility Class
11/17.......0.00.......47.86
11/18.......6.20.......54.06
11/19.......3.09.......57.15
11/20.......5.75.......62.90
11/21.......4.50.......67.40
11/22.......3.01.......70.41
11/23.......3.91.......74.32
11/24.......0.00.......74.32 - HIIT class and Stretch and Roll class
11/25.......4.66.......78.98
11/26.......4.64.......83.62
11/27.......0.00.......83.62 - Strength Training and Yoga
11/28.......6.39.......90.01 - + Yoga
11/29.......0.00.......90.01 - + Yoga
11/30.......4.17.......94.18 - + Agility Class and Yoga
2020 Run the Year Team - 2020 R.I.O.T. (Running Is Our Therapy) 1543.83/1000 miles (running and walking)
2020 Planned and Completed Races
02/02/20 - Surf City Half Marathon
07/31/20 - ISS Virtual 10K (Late)
08/15-09/30 - eRace Racism (200 miles) 200+ miles completed.
09/21-09/27 - Womxn Run the Vote - 680 mile virtual relay
09/26/20 - Beat the Blerch 10K Virtual
10/03-11/03 - Race to the Polls - 80 miles
10/01-11/18 - Fit Witch Challenge - 100 miles
11/11/20 - ASICS World Ekiden 2020 (Team 2)
12/01-12/25 - Merry Fitmas Challenge - 50 miles
02/07/21 - Surf City Half Marathon8 -
@Camaramandy648 I'm going to agree and want to underline everything pointed out by @polskagirl01. I'll say I really hope you reconsider, not because I don't believe in you or that I don't understand how important it is to you, but because I think without support (and even with some family support), at this time of year, it's not a good idea. You will achieve this, I have no doubt, but it does not have to be now. And that is not giving up or failing.
Winter gear - I like a thin moisture wicking type of glove and a mitten over it on super cold days. I need the warmth to start then I'll take off the mittens (or flip them back for the ones that do that) and then I'll probably remove the gloves for while when my hands get hot. Repeat as needed. I'm constantly on and off with them, it's just the way it is for me. I've run in subzero temps many times and my go-tos for anything in the teens (F) and below is fleece lined running tights, smart wool long sleeve, one more long-sleeved layer on top of that if really cold probably and then a jacket, long ski socks, neck gaiter, hat. Sometimes a layer of underarmour type thin insulating tights on bottom and shirt on top. Hand and toe warmers also (although I'm not sure I've used the toe warmers, I have them). Goretex trail shoes to keep the feet dry and for traction.
Date :::: Miles :::: Cumulative
11/01/20 :::: 5.3 :::: 5.3
11/02/20 :::: 3.0 :::: 8.3
11/03/20 :::: 1.8 :::: 10.1
11/04/20 :::: 3.0 :::: 13.1
11/05/20 :::: 3.1 :::: 16.2
11/06/20 :::: 3.1 :::: 19.3
11/07/20 :::: 13.1 :::: 32.4
11/08/20 :::: 3.3 :::: 35.7
11/09/20 :::: 1.5 :::: 37.2
11/10/20 :::: 1.5 :::: 38.7
11/11/20 :::: 3.9 :::: 42.5
11/12/20 :::: 2.0 :::: 44.6
11/13/20 :::: 7.0 :::: 51.6
11/14/20 :::: 3.6 :::: 55.1
11/15/20 :::: 3.1 :::: 58.3
11/16/20 :::: 2.0 :::: 60.2
11/17/20 :::: 2.7 :::: 62.9
11/18/20 :::: 1.6 :::: 64.5
11/19/20 :::: 2.0 :::: 66.5
11/20/20 :::: 3.1 :::: 69.6
11/21/20 :::: 8.0 :::: 77.6
11/22/20 :::: 3.3 :::: 80.9
11/23/20 :::: 3.3 :::: 84.2
11/24/20 :::: 1.4 :::: 85.5
11/25/20 :::: 4.9 :::: 90.4
11/26/20 :::: 3.2 :::: 93.6
11/27/20 :::: 5.1 :::: 98.6
11/28/20 :::: 4.0 :::: 102.6
11/29/20 :::: 1.5 :::: 104.1
11/30/20 :::: 2.1 :::: 106.2
Finished up the month with another short run. It was rainy today, I was tired, and I worked from home waiting for my new dishwasher to be installed (hallelujah!). So I was able to wait out the rain and head out for a quick neighborhood run. I considered that I should run a little more but then my sore shoulder and shin suggested that it was enough. It's surprising how much you use your shoulder while running.
Hike report in spoilers - VERY long and copied from my online hiking journal so feel free to skip:Peaks 24 and 25 of the 46 Adirondack High Peaks. We left home about 3 am (a late start for us!) and arrived at the trailhead around 6:30 am. We took a bit of time to eat and take a power nap (Jeff) and then started off. It was a beautiful clear morning, about 35 degrees - it has been unseasonably warm and there was no snow or ice to speak of at the start. We headed out about 6:50 am to start the climb towards Giant and Rocky Peak Ridge. From AllTrails recent recordings, people had done the hike in 6-8 hours recently so we went in hoping for that, but I was also mentally rounding up to 9-10. I had also been well informed that this hike was steep from the start and I had read a few things and my friends had hinted that the route to RPR was "tricky" so I was also prepared for it to be hard. And it was, but I really liked this hike. The trek up was steep but there were switchbacks and some fun scrambles. We almost immediately got too hot and shed the outer layer - it was definitely a day of taking gloves and layers on and off.. The trail was clear for about the first hour or so and then we began to encounter some ice. We got to a rocky ledge and decided it was time to put spikes on, which we definitely needed from there on as the ice was significant and there was snow as we got higher. The views all the way up were gorgeous and there were some great colors from the sunrise and then the fabulous clear blue skies. We encountered a couple of people who told us they had intended to do another hike and someone had seen a bear on the Lake Road that wasn't backing down, so they changed plans and were doing Giant.
It was about 2 hrs 45 minutes to the junction, where Giant is .1 miles to the left and RPR about 1 mile to the right. We decided on the way up that we'd do RPR first and then come back and go up Giant. I immediately could see what they were talking about (or so I thought) as the trail headed down steeply and I could see that RPR looked really far. We ran into a guy who told us he was turning back because of the ice conditions - specifically the icy waterfall below - that he didn't want to risk falling. My friend couldn't believe he had come this far and was going to abandon peak #40 for him, and offered that he could go with us. But he said he "wasn't feeling it" today and wished us well. Every icy patch we saw we were wondering if this was it, but then we saw what he was talking about. The ice waterfall was no joke! We found someone had tied a rope - very thin like string/cord - but it didn't look very secure. Finally we figured out a way to climb down using a tree that we could hang on to and climb down the trunk and roots. Still a test of the spikes as well as our climbing and strength. I could see why the guy had decided to turn back being by himself. Not too long after that we ran into another guy who was also turning back - and this guy was the one who had seen the bear on the Lake Road! He was worried about getting back up the ice waterfall and had decided just to play it safe and head back rather than go all the way to the summit. We were still heading down at that point, but it went fairly quickly and then a brief leveling and we were going back up steeply again. It took us another half hour or so to get to the summit of RPR – where we arrive at about 4 hours 5 minutes in, around 11 am. It was beautiful up there. I was starving at this point and it was nice to sit and rest and eat a good sandwich (rotisserie chicken and brie cheese with pickles that I pulled together from Thanksgiving leftovers). I ate that and a pear and a kind bar.
We headed back down RPR, seeing how far and how high Giant looked in the distance, and knowing we had that steep climb up including the ice waterfall. The descent portion went pretty quickly and then the climb was slow. Things were really melting though with the sun and lots of areas were better than they trip down. We made it back up the trees at the ice waterfall, just a tricky start to find the initial footing and then climb the roots. I was happy to have some rock climbing experience to fall back on for this hike, but we also decided ice axes would be a good thing for the next winter hike. We kept going up slowly, this was the hardest and steepest part of the hike. I slipped at one point and scraped my shin hard against a sticking out tree branch but fortunately avoided any serious injury. We got back to the junction at about 5.5 hours in and headed up the short climb to the summit of Giant. This was relatively easier and quick and I was so glad we had done the hard part first. Again the view was amazing. It was windy up there and I had taken my coat off again earlier and was really ready to put it back on. We took another little rest trying to shelter from the wind a bit and enjoy the view. A few people arrived at the summit while we were there and we saw several more on our trip back down. Surprisingly several of them not wearing spikes, and we were already kind of pushing it ourselves to get back before the sun started setting so we hoped they would be okay. The descent took us another 2.5 hours to navigate slowly down the steep and icy/wet terrain. The rock slides were tough being wet and/or icy. One of them I was ended up sliding on an ice patch as I was trying to kind of crab walk down and thought I was going to slide all the way down the mountain. I caught myself, and was able to navigate sideways a little to a safe spot. It was scary for a second and I thought I was ok, but later realized I had kind of jammed my shoulder stopping myself – it started to ache on the way out. We were happy to get past most of the ice and take off our spikes, and then get to the switchbacks which made it a lot easier than the rock slides. We saw the Giant’s Washbasin (lake) and it was just .7 more miles left. We got to the car 8.5 hours after we started, at about 3:30 pm. A little sore and tired but happy to be done with a fun and challenging hike. I enjoyed this one and would like to do it again in summer conditions, I think it had a lot of fun elements.
And here's some pics!
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@quilteryoyo wrote: »AlphaHowls You are awesome. What is this "earth journey" you are on?
Goal - run till I make it back to where I started.
It is 24,902 miles around earth. I am on my way back home!9 -
polskagirl01 wrote: »I haven’t received my Pastor Vincent medal yet but I am in the UK so I’m guessing it will take a while. I don’t have many running medals but they all mean something special. Will be so nice to add ‘his’ one.
I’m in Ireland & it’s not arrived yet either but it’s nice to be looking forward to the postman everyday.2 -
@katharmonic Sounds like you had a great time on your hike. It also sounds very hard. The views are beautiful. I don't know that I would have "hiked" down and up that waterfall though. Of course, I'm not in as good of shape as you are and definitely not as strong.
@AlphaHowls I figured it was something like that - or maybe a trip to Mars or something. LOL How long do you have to finish said journey?1 -
Camaramandy648 wrote: »Oh One More Thing:
I can't remember what I did last year that worked - I wasn't running at 4am so never had to deal with 20 degrees F.
Tomorrow is 27F at 4AM.
Indiana is going to be quite cold as well, in winter.
Recommendations for jackets, layers, etc? I think I have enough stuff to layer but do I need like a specific running jacket or will a thin pullover be enough?
Do I really need gloves? i hated gloves last year because my hands were hot and I couldn't use them.
I get really cold hands and then really hot sweaty hands after a few miles. What I have found which works is glove liners with flip mitts over them. The liners are so light that I can just wear them at most temperatures, and if they get too hot they ball up small enough to stuff in a pouch. The flip mitts keep wind and rain off my hands and keep them warm at colder temps but can be pulled back when my hands warm up.
How often are you planning to stop? If you don’t have crew is there a way you could drive ahead and set up drop aid stations for yourself before running? Does most of the route have WiFi so you can call for help?4 -
Wow!! you are a bada$$ @katharmonic!! That is an incredible hike. I can't imagine going down and up the rock slides, let alone the waterfall area! The pictures are gorgeous though!
@Camaramandy648 - I am not going to weigh in on all the issues that could beset your ultra run other than to say I agree with @polskagirl01 and others who have suggested postponing it. If nothing else maybe doing it in the spring when it is great running weather and your kids could be with there cheering you on.1 -
@quilteryoyo wrote: »AlphaHowls I figured it was something like that - or maybe a trip to Mars or something. LOL How long do you have to finish said journey?
No time line, just something to do while I am on the run.
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Just finished my last run of November! Haven't been on the forum since the beginning of the month, but I've been busy running! I would say the Run with Hal program has been a success so far and I am now 17 days away from my first official 5k race. It's virtual but I got my swag for it a couple weeks ago and I'm itching to run it. I've kept pretty good discipline with the plan, doing strength training and stretching after every run. Only skipped one run this month.
Goal: 42.5 km Finished: 39 km (because of the skipped run)
I feel really fit overall and every run has become easier. I'm walking less and running faster, without feeling like I'm dying lol.9 -
Just made 100 for the month. Pushed it this last week to get there with the last 2.5 being tonight.7
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polskagirl01 wrote: »I haven’t received my Pastor Vincent medal yet but I am in the UK so I’m guessing it will take a while. I don’t have many running medals but they all mean something special. Will be so nice to add ‘his’ one.
I’m in Ireland & it’s not arrived yet either but it’s nice to be looking forward to the postman everyday.
Nope, no sign of mine yet either. But stuff from the US generally takes about 3 weeks to reach me, so I figured if those in the US have had theirs this week mine wouldn't be reaching me for another couple of weeks at least. And that's on a good year, without factoring in Christmas. Post sucks this year. I'm still waiting for something that was sent from the UK on the 8th of October. And the birthday cards my family sent my daughter back in October got sent back to them without ever reaching me
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eleanorhawkins wrote: »polskagirl01 wrote: »I haven’t received my Pastor Vincent medal yet but I am in the UK so I’m guessing it will take a while. I don’t have many running medals but they all mean something special. Will be so nice to add ‘his’ one.
I’m in Ireland & it’s not arrived yet either but it’s nice to be looking forward to the postman everyday.
Nope, no sign of mine yet either. But stuff from the US generally takes about 3 weeks to reach me, so I figured if those in the US have had theirs this week mine wouldn't be reaching me for another couple of weeks at least. And that's on a good year, without factoring in Christmas. Post sucks this year. I'm still waiting for something that was sent from the UK on the 8th of October. And the birthday cards my family sent my daughter back in October got sent back to them without ever reaching me
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kat_ontherun wrote: »Just finished my last run of November! Haven't been on the forum since the beginning of the month, but I've been busy running! I would say the Run with Hal program has been a success so far and I am now 17 days away from my first official 5k race. It's virtual but I got my swag for it a couple weeks ago and I'm itching to run it. I've kept pretty good discipline with the plan, doing strength training and stretching after every run. Only skipped one run this month.
Goal: 42.5 km Finished: 39 km (because of the skipped run)
I feel really fit overall and every run has become easier. I'm walking less and running faster, without feeling like I'm dying lol.
Be sure to give us a race report!
I remember my first 5k, I was still in the middle of c25k and had to walk part of it but it was so exciting. It wasn’t until my second 5k race that I could manage to run without walking. It’s amazing how quickly our bodies can adapt!2 -
Thanks so much for all the cold weather running clothing suggestions!! I appreciate it so much! I took notes, and will see what I have (like, one shirt), and can find (all the other stuff!!!).
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@katharmonic Gotta say that pic of the guy going up the icy tree roots makes me shudder a little. You are amazing!2
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@katharmonic - You are a very well-rounded athlete! No way would I have tackled that icy waterfall! Yikes!3
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