Keto and Fasting has been amazing thus far.
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May I return to (according to my intepretation) the point of this thread? I have a question about Ketosis. Having dabbled a bit with converting my metabolism to Ketosis, I have discovered that one meal/a few choice snacks, can catapult me out of Ketoland without mercy. I was in Ketosis yesterday and had crispy chicken and a handful of chips and snap...I was sent flying back into normal metabolic world. ....Question. If I fast for a day or so and return back to the strict/rigid/and carb-free and sugar-free diet, will it take the same amount of time to return to Ketosis or will the lack of carbs/sugars speed the process up in relation to the typical 2 to 5 days? Your thought (if we can shift from the all important "pizza-gate" debate?
Thanks
If keto is for losing weight and that's your goal then it really doesn't matter if you drift in and out of nutritional ketosis because it still comes down to calories. Low carb or ketosis will pretty much do the same thing as far as satiety goes, so if feeling more satiated is working for you, both should be effective. Well, it does for me.2 -
penguinmama87 wrote: »wunderkindking wrote: »I'm pretty weirded out, reading back, by the idea that you have 'nothing else in your life' if you're eating multiple snacks in a day.
How freaking long do you think it takes to shove bread in a toaster and smear peanut butter on it, or grab a banana and yogurt, then wash a spoon???
Or even if it does take some of us a long time - are cooking, baking, gardening, and other related hobbies all lame because they involve food?
OMG, I spend SO much time gardening!
And in the colder months I just love to spend hours in the kitchen, cooking and baking.3 -
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May I return to (according to my intepretation) the point of this thread? I have a question about Ketosis. Having dabbled a bit with converting my metabolism to Ketosis, I have discovered that one meal/a few choice snacks, can catapult me out of Ketoland without mercy. I was in Ketosis yesterday and had crispy chicken and a handful of chips and snap...I was sent flying back into normal metabolic world. ....Question. If I fast for a day or so and return back to the strict/rigid/and carb-free and sugar-free diet, will it take the same amount of time to return to Ketosis or will the lack of carbs/sugars speed the process up in relation to the typical 2 to 5 days? Your thought (if we can shift from the all important "pizza-gate" debate?
Thanks
You aren't converting your metabolism, you are changing the substrate for fuel. Even if you get kicked out of ketosis, you will burn down the glycogen stored and get back to increasing ketone production. Just suppress carbs and it will start over.
I'd honestly advise against beginning a pattern of extended fasting as a means to address poor eating the day before. That can lead to a road of binge/restrict cycles.11 -
Good question, YMMV, but I have found it does not take as long for me to get back in ketosis if I go out of it through eating carbs, then it did initiallyMay I return to (according to my intepretation) the point of this thread? I have a question about Ketosis. Having dabbled a bit with converting my metabolism to Ketosis, I have discovered that one meal/a few choice snacks, can catapult me out of Ketoland without mercy. I was in Ketosis yesterday and had crispy chicken and a handful of chips and snap...I was sent flying back into normal metabolic world. ....Question. If I fast for a day or so and return back to the strict/rigid/and carb-free and sugar-free diet, will it take the same amount of time to return to Ketosis or will the lack of carbs/sugars speed the process up in relation to the typical 2 to 5 days? Your thought (if we can shift from the all important "pizza-gate" debate?
Thanks
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wunderkindking wrote: »I'm pretty weirded out, reading back, by the idea that you have 'nothing else in your life' if you're eating multiple snacks in a day.
How freaking long do you think it takes to shove bread in a toaster and smear peanut butter on it, or grab a banana and yogurt, then wash a spoon???
well, yes - especially since the post was aimed at me and I had already said I have 2 snacks per day (well, yes, I guess 2 is 'multiple') ,. one of which is a banana - zero preparation (well, peeling it takes 5 seconds) and zero cleaning up
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Hey guys... Just for fun.. It's Flex Friday.
And I was happily surprised by this picture. Makes me feel good. Got a long way to go, but that's okay.
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Poobah1972 wrote: »Hey guys... Just for fun.. It's Flex Friday.
And I was happily surprised by this picture. Makes me feel good. Got a long way to go, but that's okay.
If that's work, are you sure you're allowed to bring guns in?6 -
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If your calories such important, so how in the world people managed to slim before those calories were invented?
Even in my life time, there were time just about 20 years ago. nobody counted those calories, especially macros, And anyway people managed to stay slim. I had my weight of 118 lb from high school thru retirement. I still cam fit in my wedding dress
Calories were not invented. They've always existed. We didn't always know about them. That doesn't change the fact that people could lose weight if they consumed fewer calories than they burned, even if they didn't understand the mechanism.
People still got sick before germ theory was developed and we understood how illness happened. People can still get pregnant even if they don't know anything about human reproduction. Our minds don't have to comprehend the mechanism of natural events in order for our bodies to be impacted by them.
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wunderkindking wrote: »I'm pretty weirded out, reading back, by the idea that you have 'nothing else in your life' if you're eating multiple snacks in a day.
How freaking long do you think it takes to shove bread in a toaster and smear peanut butter on it, or grab a banana and yogurt, then wash a spoon???
Snacking is, by far, one of the easiest parts of my day. I wish everything was as easy!6 -
Most of my meals don't take much preparation - cereal or toast for breakfast is easy, mid morning snack is something like a banana, no preparation or cleaning up, I take lunch to work in a lunch box - usually things like fruit, yoghurt, sandwich, takes 5 minutes to pack it and very little cleaning required
I usually have s1 cooked meal per day (dinner) - well, unless one counts toast as 'a cooked meal'
I do prepare dinner or sometimes my husband does or sometimes we go out or buy take away
After dinner we tend to have a coffee and small snack or dessert in front of TV
Am certainly not only busy with meal preparation, consuming, cooking etc - in fact I probably do less of that than many other people.
This is what a slavery carb ediction looks like. When you continuously eating cereals, bread. sandwich, bananas, fruits, your hunger comes every 2 hrs . Really, it becomes necessarily to eat that often . If you switch to less carby food, your hunger will subside and free you from having food that often.
Well, they are very easy to handle, to pack, to clean, therefore they may become such a food to use every day, every 2 hrs. But convenience does not mean nutritiously suitable for human consumption.
Of course, you can eat anything you want, nobody cares, you are the only person who cares of your food and your health. We are here talking what is best for human body. If does not fit you personally, please, stay your course, but many other people want to know truth, the truth which is not approved by FDA, by government subsidized agriculture, by huge trans continental corporations,
Never in history, the population was so sick, fat and disable, in spite the USA med care is most expensive in the world. The highest number of medication prescribed per person, Thanks to FDA food pyramid with 60% of grains norm per day. If you think that people do not listen the FDA recommendations, absolutely not. People sincerely follow the recommendations, while getting more and more sick.
If we get sicker, it will more money to make on our health care. Pharmaceutical companies and doctors want us to be sicker, they are in the business to make money. If you accidentally become healthy, how in the world they will make money? It is free, cost nothing, nobody will have interested in healthy person.2 -
Most of my meals don't take much preparation - cereal or toast for breakfast is easy, mid morning snack is something like a banana, no preparation or cleaning up, I take lunch to work in a lunch box - usually things like fruit, yoghurt, sandwich, takes 5 minutes to pack it and very little cleaning required
I usually have s1 cooked meal per day (dinner) - well, unless one counts toast as 'a cooked meal'
I do prepare dinner or sometimes my husband does or sometimes we go out or buy take away
After dinner we tend to have a coffee and small snack or dessert in front of TV
Am certainly not only busy with meal preparation, consuming, cooking etc - in fact I probably do less of that than many other people.
This is what a slavery carb ediction looks like. When you continuously eating cereals, bread. sandwich, bananas, fruits, your hunger comes every 2 hrs . Really, it becomes necessarily to eat that often . If you switch to less carby food, your hunger will subside and free you from having food that often.
Well, they are very easy to handle, to pack, to clean, therefore they may become such a food to use every day, every 2 hrs. But convenience does not mean nutritiously suitable for human consumption.
Of course, you can eat anything you want, nobody cares, you are the only person who cares of your food and your health. We are here talking what is best for human body. If does not fit you personally, please, stay your course, but many other people want to know truth, the truth which is not approved by FDA, by government subsidized agriculture, by huge trans continental corporations,
Never in history, the population was so sick, fat and disable, in spite the USA med care is most expensive in the world. The highest number of medication prescribed per person, Thanks to FDA food pyramid with 60% of grains norm per day. If you think that people do not listen the FDA recommendations, absolutely not. People sincerely follow the recommendations, while getting more and more sick.
If we get sicker, it will more money to make on our health care. Pharmaceutical companies and doctors want us to be sicker, they are in the business to make money. If you accidentally become healthy, how in the world they will make money? It is free, cost nothing, nobody will have interested in healthy person.
So, first your accusation was that I have nothing else in life but eating, now it is that I am a slave to carbs??
I am not in US nor am I overweight so those points don't apply to me.
but I don't want or need to be free from having food that often. Eating 5 meals/snacks works for me in terms of fitting into my life style and my weight management so I have no desire to change.
Whether the foods I eat are easy to prepare and pack was only mentioned in response to "You must do nothing else all day but eat and prepare food" - it had no bearing on nurtritious or otherwise quality of any food.
The Big Pharma conspiracy stuff is just nonsense.
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Ok, enough is enough. Lets stop arguing and debating this nonsense. If we can't stop hijacking this thread on theoretical and pandemic arguments, i will personally start handing out warnings for violation of our rules on hijacking.
This thread is about @Poobah1972 and hist current success and how he is improving his health. So lets keep that on track.22 -
Poobah1972 wrote: »Hey guys... Just for fun.. It's Flex Friday.
And I was happily surprised by this picture. Makes me feel good. Got a long way to go, but that's okay.
Awesome attitude! It sounds like you are on the right track and will get there5 -
Good for you Poobah1972!
There are a lot of 'doctors' on these forums 🤣
Do what works for you and do the research yourself on your diet and life style of choice.
It sounds like you and your partner are doing a great job.3 -
Good job @Poobah1972 !1
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Over the last year my HDL decreased and triglycerides increased I learned 3 days ago as well as my weight when dealing with sickness that lead to 7 months of side effects involving blood clots in each leg and fragments into each lung so it's back to full keto and intermittent fasting for me. I told doctor my labs will be back to normal a year from now. Things were fine from 2015 until a year ago so it's back to full Keto into the future.
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Yesterday when at Walmart I saw where Slimfast has gotten in on supporting the Keto WOE. 7 years ago when I accidentally wound up eating Keto it was not a mainstream Way Of Eating option getting center aslie attention. The fat bombs sure are filling and I have yet to try a drink. Just not eating after 5 or 6 PM works for me. In 2014 cutting carbs down to 50 grams daily took some effort until my gut microbiome shift had time to occur.2
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I don't post much, but I want an update from @Poobah1972! I've loved seeing his and his fiancee's amazing progress!2
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pitbullmamaliz wrote: »I don't post much, but I want an update from @Poobah1972! I've loved seeing his and his fiancee's amazing progress!
I’d love to see an update too!
I haven’t read all of this thread yet, but as someone who has been IFing since before it was cool (2014), it’s been interesting to read the bits that debate the efficiency and credibility of IF. IF literally changed my life- probably saved it even. I lost over 200lbs with it. I’ve maintained the majority of that loss (180) over the past several years just by IFing. I’ve only come to MFP to finally finish the job and get to goal. Food addiction is a pesky beast and was working against me. It happens. 🤷♀️ I’ve had several rounds of bloodwork over the past few years and all of my numbers are great. I once was put on BP meds (before I was even 30!) and was able to get off that pretty quickly. Overall, my health now in my 30s is light years better than it was in my 20s, and I credit that to IF- not only the weight loss it gave me, but also the health benefits that come from not eating all the time. I’m of the belief that our bodies were designed to handle periods of feast and periods of famine, as centuries ago, food was far less accessible than it is now. I’ve read so much both crediting and discrediting IF, but my own personal experience has proven its value in my life.
Anyway, enough passionate rambling about IF. I just want to say to OP and anyone else rocking the IF, you’re doing great! I’m cheering you on!1
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