Keto and Fasting has been amazing thus far.
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Normal resting heart rate is generally considered to be between 60 and 100. While physical activity and conditioning definitely help with the lowering of one's resting heart rate there is also a direct effect on it by virtue of caloric restriction (or overage) and weight loss (or gain).
Separately. and generally, the more exercise or activity one can engage in subject to not getting injured and not detrimentally affecting the rest of their life... the better off they are!
As a quick guide, and using relatively easy to measure pedometer equivalencies, it is generally considered that pedometer readings of between 3100 and 4000 steps a day are in the range to be considered as equivalent to 30 minutes of moderate intensity walking.
Generally speaking and for most people the above range represents where MFP "sedentary/not active" setting switches from the 1.25 activity factor multiplier implied in that setting to the next "level" of "lightly active" which has a multiplier of 1.4--or at least they did last time I checked a couple of years back.
Increasing activity by 500 steps a day to 5000 steps is generally a good guide if starting from a lower level of activity.
One of my first goals back in 2014 was to move up from not averaging more than 5000 steps most days of the month to "not having a day below 5,000". It took me a good 3 months to accomplish that. Now I am actually grumpy and out of sorts on days where I don't significantly exceed 10K steps
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Thank you. I don’t always hit 5000 steps and can make that a new goal.1
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Thank you. I don’t always hit 5000 steps and can make that a new goal.
@PAV8888 knows his/her stuff (Sorry can't recall your sex. lol).
But for information purposes... I'm hitting cardio 5 times a week. I try to do this Monday through Friday before work, so I get up at 4:30am to make this happen. I do take a day off from time to time, and then make up for it on the weekend usually with a longer then normal session (Boxing 15 3 minute rounds with 1 minute rest intervals is amazing - like 1300 calorie burn amazing!).
I do cardio for approximately 30 minutes with a bit of cool down on the end. I'm probably pretty high intensity though, I like to get my heart rate into the mid 160's and I try to keep it there. To do this, I have quickly had to move from walking to Slogging. Granted at near 400lbs I slog close to a normal person's moderate walk.
I'm really grateful for the fairly large hill in the community in which I live. 5 laps is just over 1 mile and each lap consists of 30% Hill, 30% downhill, and 40% Level.... So I slog constantly on the downhill and level section and walk as quick as I can manage up the hill. The hill basically ups my heart rate, and the slogging tries to hold it... So each lap my Heart rate goes up until by the forth lap or so I'm in my target zone.
I generally do 7 laps now or close to 1.5 miles. Or I use the Elliptical and I just hit a new PR of 1.8 miles in 30 minutes. Or I box with the Heavy bag (this is a new arrival, in the last 3 weeks.. Highly recommended).
The fitter I get the harder I need to work to get my heartrate up, so it just never gets easy. Which is great. I think getting your heart rate up regularly just makes it stronger and more proficient. And is probably a big reason for how quickly it's improved. That's only a guess though.
Here's some sample work outs of Walking, Elliptical and Boxing.
Oh and for what it's worth, I very quickly got knee braces to help support my knee's.. Cause it was hard on them when i started. Specially cause that was the only exercise option I had in the beginning. Pavement hurts. I now use weight lifting knee wraps instead of knee braces cause i find them better and quicker to put on as tight or loose as I want.. And I only wear one on my left knee now. And Soon I think I won't need it anymore.
Elliptical is fine no wraps needed which was a blessing. I also use knee wraps for Dead lifting. :P
I find walking/slogging allows me to get my heart rate jacked more so then Elliptical or Boxing.
Yesterday.. This was a PR by a good margin. I really pushed much harder for longer periods. The dip near the end is when I got off the machine... The Heart rate monitor always seems to stop working right when I step off. Then I sat on my *kitten* drank water before climbing 2 flights of stairs to my bedroom and finally ending the exercise. lol
This was Boxing on Saturday.. Also a PR in terms of the most Calories burnt. 15 full 3 minute rounds HIIT with 1 minute rest between rounds. Surprising how fast the time goes by in this way. Pardon my scary face.
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Hi. I have been doing keto since Feb and am going to start IF 16:8 this week. I am slowly eating later each day. I am also going to cut back on the fat I eat. I am losing but still have a lot of abdominal fat. I do have diabetes and my glucose is much better.
Interestingly I have found that upping not only my calorie intake, but more so my fat content on double workout days to be critical in providing me energy to last the entire day and workout. So on a cardio only day I may range around 60% fat calories +/- 2%... And on double workout days I push upwards of 64-70%. In my mind it makes more ketones easily accessable to power me through whatever energy needs my body has. I know prior to me doing that I was finding myself a little sluggish... specially trying to get through the Leg day workout.
Making that adjustment was fairly easy... I just add an 10 extra grams of Coconut Fat to my morning coffee, throw in a extra chunk of cheese in my lunch and maybe double up on my serving of Macadamia/Pecans and Brazil nuts. 👍
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Poobah1972 wrote: »Hi. I have been doing keto since Feb and am going to start IF 16:8 this week. I am slowly eating later each day. I am also going to cut back on the fat I eat. I am losing but still have a lot of abdominal fat. I do have diabetes and my glucose is much better.
Interestingly I have found that upping not only my calorie intake, but more so my fat content on double workout days to be critical in providing me energy to last the entire day and workout. So on a cardio only day I may range around 60% fat calories +/- 2%... And on double workout days I push upwards of 64-70%. In my mind it makes more ketones easily accessable to power me through whatever energy needs my body has. I know prior to me doing that I was finding myself a little sluggish... specially trying to get through the Leg day workout.
Making that adjustment was fairly easy... I just add an 10 extra grams of Coconut Fat to my morning coffee, throw in a extra chunk of cheese in my lunch and maybe double up on my serving of Macadamia/Pecans and Brazil nuts. 👍
Random unsolicited advice: Don't overdo the brazil nuts. They actually contain so much selenium that one can easily exceed the warning levels for regular consumption. An ounce of them, 6-8 nuts, contains about 544 mcg of selenium, almost 10 times the adult RDA of 55mcg. USDA says the tolerable upper limit (for regular consumption) is 400mcg for adults, so somewhere around 5 nuts daily.
I love the little suckers, but I moderate them, personally. There aren't many common foods I know of that are risky in small but regular portions. These delicious little nuggets seem to be one. 🤷♀️
Source: https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Selenium-HealthProfessional/5 -
Poobah1972 wrote: »Hi. I have been doing keto since Feb and am going to start IF 16:8 this week. I am slowly eating later each day. I am also going to cut back on the fat I eat. I am losing but still have a lot of abdominal fat. I do have diabetes and my glucose is much better.
Interestingly I have found that upping not only my calorie intake, but more so my fat content on double workout days to be critical in providing me energy to last the entire day and workout. So on a cardio only day I may range around 60% fat calories +/- 2%... And on double workout days I push upwards of 64-70%. In my mind it makes more ketones easily accessable to power me through whatever energy needs my body has. I know prior to me doing that I was finding myself a little sluggish... specially trying to get through the Leg day workout.
Making that adjustment was fairly easy... I just add an 10 extra grams of Coconut Fat to my morning coffee, throw in a extra chunk of cheese in my lunch and maybe double up on my serving of Macadamia/Pecans and Brazil nuts. 👍
Random unsolicited advice: Don't overdo the brazil nuts. They actually contain so much selenium that one can easily exceed the warning levels for regular consumption. An ounce of them, 6-8 nuts, contains about 544 mcg of selenium, almost 10 times the adult RDA of 55mcg. USDA says the tolerable upper limit (for regular consumption) is 400mcg for adults, so somewhere around 5 nuts daily.
I love the little suckers, but I moderate them, personally. There aren't many common foods I know of that are risky in small but regular portions. These delicious little nuggets seem to be one. 🤷♀️
Source: https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Selenium-HealthProfessional/
I appreciate the advice... 1 serving is 21 grams (or about 150 calories) or a combination of all 3 nuts and At most on occasion i might have 42 grams. So I'm probably fine, I'm lucky if I get 2 whole Brazil nuts in each batch. lol But that is very interesting, I certainly had no idea.4 -
Yup; the Brazil nut got me nutty when I started on the nuts 🥺
I tend to go by him; but I regularly get called other things, including late to dinner!😹
I'm glad you're taking care of the knees, the forces applied make them vulnerable and you want them in shape for later!
It impresses me how strong you are currently. A gentle reminder: push without pushing too far. You've got the endorphins and the strength from carrying less weight; but I hope you realize that even consistent moderate training improves fitness without having to *always* push into the red zone.
In my opinion intensity plays a role (many will argue that it doesn't) but most of your net burn _above the calories you burn by existing_ comes from moving 3xx lbs up that hill for y amount of miles regardless of how quickly you complete the task.
Sure, per minute you will burn more or less calories; but overall you going up or down the hill 5 times is you going up or down the hill 5 times in net calories above the ones you burn by existing even if it takes an hour more or less to accomplish the task (slower looks more impressive of a burn too, even if the net burn is the same 🤣).
Reason I say this is long term sustainability of effort. Push... without over pushing!!!
Get some good form reviews from competent trainers... and soon you could be preparing to hit the powerlifting circuits 😜
(There's a few threads around by trainers who offer video form reviews of lifts/squats)
And ... Don't use me as a heavy bag😰😇5 -
Hi, dear
Poobah1972 I see first time on FP somebody advocated keto, fasting and low cal way of living. My way is very long more than 50 years. I was ballet dancer at that time and it was accustomed in the ballet culture to eat in deficit, low carb and fasting for 24-36-48 hrs. Still these days, ask any dancer, they would tell you that they eat in the style to decrease weight or keep it as low as possible. My life is a real long term well documented experiment of this way of living. Currently I fast 42 hrs every Monday, 70 hrs once a month, eat dirty keto and low carb diet. Very low calories, by nutritionists consensus. My hair is not fallen , my bones are strong as 25 y/o girl.according to DEXA scan. I did not have any caries in mu teeths for 45 years All systems of the body function normal, even though I m 67 y/o
I m stronger than many women in our gym, muscles are shown well through skin and well defined, like body builders. Even so I never go for very heavy lifting, but my muscles just grow without huge amount of food.
On your place I would not take seriously those haters of fast and keto. These people just like bread too much and don' t want to give up on it. Bread and carbs are very addictive: people can 't admit that they addicts.
You own success story so far is good example of correct way of eating and life style preferences. From first hands I tell you , it is easy to live this way , no needs to consume a lot of carbs, evolutionary, we are more carnivores. Eating carbs it is just way how to survive when out hunters come back empty handed. Good luck to you and your fife6 -
I'm so glad I found this post, and sooo happy for both of your successes so far! (almost gave up on MFP forums due to the negativity towards IF patterns)
No two people are identical...and everyone needs to find what works for them in addition to "cico" like...which calories in..and when? (simply counting/weighing foods makes me hyper-obsessed with foods and hate the process)
I personally looove IF (I do 4:3, and consume calories all days on a 16:8 schedule) I started doing plain ol' keto...which I loved and lost with!! but...my system didn't love it so much lol (bad constipation which I couldn't fix..started before keto but got worse) So..I added in big doses of fiber foods, tweaked to the IF timing and..I'm on track, happy, energetic, working out, sleeping well, and....losing ahead of the trend line. (34 pounds down in just shy of 3 months..goal in sight!)
In reading through this post's history..one benefit (to anyone) that IF has had (for long-term success) is that my overall hunger is down...a lot. Once I adjusted to the schedule I found that times not eating were no big deal. In addition, when it is time to eat...I don't want to consume very much! My biggest issue these days is eating enough on my 'feast' days! lol. I also agree with your assessment that 'fast' days rock...being un-tethered from the kitchen and very busy just....work. It is so easy and feels soooo good. Food is not in control!
Anyway...just throwing out a huge high-five to you and your fiancee! Loved reading about your journey and huge congrats on your success thus far!
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MerryFit519 wrote: »I'm so glad I found this post, and sooo happy for both of your successes so far! (almost gave up on MFP forums due to the negativity towards IF patterns)
No two people are identical...and everyone needs to find what works for them in addition to "cico" like...which calories in..and when? (simply counting/weighing foods makes me hyper-obsessed with foods and hate the process)
I personally looove IF (I do 4:3, and consume calories all days on a 16:8 schedule) I started doing plain ol' keto...which I loved and lost with!! but...my system didn't love it so much lol (bad constipation which I couldn't fix..started before keto but got worse) So..I added in big doses of fiber foods, tweaked to the IF timing and..I'm on track, happy, energetic, working out, sleeping well, and....losing ahead of the trend line. (34 pounds down in just shy of 3 months..goal in sight!)
In reading through this post's history..one benefit (to anyone) that IF has had (for long-term success) is that my overall hunger is down...a lot. Once I adjusted to the schedule I found that times not eating were no big deal. In addition, when it is time to eat...I don't want to consume very much! My biggest issue these days is eating enough on my 'feast' days! lol. I also agree with your assessment that 'fast' days rock...being un-tethered from the kitchen and very busy just....work. It is so easy and feels soooo good. Food is not in control!
Anyway...just throwing out a huge high-five to you and your fiancee! Loved reading about your journey and huge congrats on your success thus far!
Congrats on finding a diet that you could like. Personally, I do not do well with IF. I find it just makes me hungrier when it is time to eat. Which is why I never do it anymore. I would end up just adding more calories dear my feeding window and end up overeating.7 -
MerryFit519 wrote: »I'm so glad I found this post, and sooo happy for both of your successes so far! (almost gave up on MFP forums due to the negativity towards IF patterns)
No two people are identical...and everyone needs to find what works for them in addition to "cico" like...which calories in..and when? (simply counting/weighing foods makes me hyper-obsessed with foods and hate the process)
I personally looove IF (I do 4:3, and consume calories all days on a 16:8 schedule) I started doing plain ol' keto...which I loved and lost with!! but...my system didn't love it so much lol (bad constipation which I couldn't fix..started before keto but got worse) So..I added in big doses of fiber foods, tweaked to the IF timing and..I'm on track, happy, energetic, working out, sleeping well, and....losing ahead of the trend line. (34 pounds down in just shy of 3 months..goal in sight!)
In reading through this post's history..one benefit (to anyone) that IF has had (for long-term success) is that my overall hunger is down...a lot. Once I adjusted to the schedule I found that times not eating were no big deal. In addition, when it is time to eat...I don't want to consume very much! My biggest issue these days is eating enough on my 'feast' days! lol. I also agree with your assessment that 'fast' days rock...being un-tethered from the kitchen and very busy just....work. It is so easy and feels soooo good. Food is not in control!
Anyway...just throwing out a huge high-five to you and your fiancee! Loved reading about your journey and huge congrats on your success thus far!
Congrats on finding a diet that you could like. Personally, I do not do well with IF. I find it just makes me hungrier when it is time to eat. Which is why I never do it anymore. I would end up just adding more calories dear my feeding window and end up overeating.
Totally understood and I hear you. That's the thing...what works for one won't necessarily work for another! I can't do simple counting/weighing (makes me hate food and hate the process) and IF works great. For you...IF caused overeating so it didn't work! Thankfully...there's so many ways to tackle better/healthier/goal-oriented plans. I hope you're settled in one that DOES make you happy, satisfied, and successful 3 -
Yup; the Brazil nut got me nutty when I started on the nuts 🥺
I tend to go by him; but I regularly get called other things, including late to dinner!😹
I'm glad you're taking care of the knees, the forces applied make them vulnerable and you want them in shape for later!
It impresses me how strong you are currently. A gentle reminder: push without pushing too far. You've got the endorphins and the strength from carrying less weight; but I hope you realize that even consistent moderate training improves fitness without having to *always* push into the red zone.
In my opinion intensity plays a role (many will argue that it doesn't) but most of your net burn _above the calories you burn by existing_ comes from moving 3xx lbs up that hill for y amount of miles regardless of how quickly you complete the task.
Sure, per minute you will burn more or less calories; but overall you going up or down the hill 5 times is you going up or down the hill 5 times in net calories above the ones you burn by existing even if it takes an hour more or less to accomplish the task (slower looks more impressive of a burn too, even if the net burn is the same 🤣).
Reason I say this is long term sustainability of effort. Push... without over pushing!!!
Get some good form reviews from competent trainers... and soon you could be preparing to hit the powerlifting circuits 😜
(There's a few threads around by trainers who offer video form reviews of lifts/squats)
And ... Don't use me as a heavy bag😰😇
I get the message and it's something I've thought about at times.. But I think I like the intensity. The endorphins very much have an effect. Usually when walking for instance, the first lap specially the first half a lap I'm moving sort of slow... Things hurt.. But sure enough before I know it that pain kind of disappears, you heart is pumping. The endorphins come, and I seem to like sweating profusely. The sweaty I am at the end the better i feel? lol
So far so good, and I will keep in mind that I don't always have to push to the limits.. (even though I'm sure I can push to the 170's but that's just not fun. lol)
I appreciate your thoughts, and thank you for making me feel strong. lol1 -
Hi, dear
Poobah1972 I see first time on FP somebody advocated keto, fasting and low cal way of living. My way is very long more than 50 years. I was ballet dancer at that time and it was accustomed in the ballet culture to eat in deficit, low carb and fasting for 24-36-48 hrs. Still these days, ask any dancer, they would tell you that they eat in the style to decrease weight or keep it as low as possible. My life is a real long term well documented experiment of this way of living. Currently I fast 42 hrs every Monday, 70 hrs once a month, eat dirty keto and low carb diet. Very low calories, by nutritionists consensus. My hair is not fallen , my bones are strong as 25 y/o girl.according to DEXA scan. I did not have any caries in mu teeths for 45 years All systems of the body function normal, even though I m 67 y/o
I m stronger than many women in our gym, muscles are shown well through skin and well defined, like body builders. Even so I never go for very heavy lifting, but my muscles just grow without huge amount of food.
On your place I would not take seriously those haters of fast and keto. These people just like bread too much and don' t want to give up on it. Bread and carbs are very addictive: people can 't admit that they addicts.
You own success story so far is good example of correct way of eating and life style preferences. From first hands I tell you , it is easy to live this way , no needs to consume a lot of carbs, evolutionary, we are more carnivores. Eating carbs it is just way how to survive when out hunters come back empty handed. Good luck to you and your fife
I read your post earlier today and was determined to thank you for taking the time to respond to me. You seem very sincere, and I enjoyed reading your post. I do agree with you in many aspects. We all learned to be the people we are, doing the things we do, and accepting and believing the things we were taught to accept or believe. A lot of close minded views around here to certain ways of doing things, but there is also a lot of good people with the ability to see there is many good ways to move forward with a heathy life and lifestyle. I'm glad you enjoy this particular lifestyle, and I can assure you myself and my fiancé are very much also enjoying it.
I'm sort of shocked to see that you have 9 disagrees so soon? But I guess I shouldn't be. I posted a lot when I started here, but I quickly found out that mentions of IF, fasting or even Keto/Low carb would immediatley cause more then a few people to start mashing the Disagree button? It just is what it is. I pretty much found a happy place on the news feed with like minded individuals, and I've pretty much stopped posting on the forums as a result. We all do what makes us happy in the end? (and unhappy... lol) Oh it's all an Enigma of course.4 -
MerryFit519 wrote: »I'm so glad I found this post, and sooo happy for both of your successes so far! (almost gave up on MFP forums due to the negativity towards IF patterns)
No two people are identical...and everyone needs to find what works for them in addition to "cico" like...which calories in..and when? (simply counting/weighing foods makes me hyper-obsessed with foods and hate the process)
I personally looove IF (I do 4:3, and consume calories all days on a 16:8 schedule) I started doing plain ol' keto...which I loved and lost with!! but...my system didn't love it so much lol (bad constipation which I couldn't fix..started before keto but got worse) So..I added in big doses of fiber foods, tweaked to the IF timing and..I'm on track, happy, energetic, working out, sleeping well, and....losing ahead of the trend line. (34 pounds down in just shy of 3 months..goal in sight!)
In reading through this post's history..one benefit (to anyone) that IF has had (for long-term success) is that my overall hunger is down...a lot. Once I adjusted to the schedule I found that times not eating were no big deal. In addition, when it is time to eat...I don't want to consume very much! My biggest issue these days is eating enough on my 'feast' days! lol. I also agree with your assessment that 'fast' days rock...being un-tethered from the kitchen and very busy just....work. It is so easy and feels soooo good. Food is not in control!
Anyway...just throwing out a huge high-five to you and your fiancee! Loved reading about your journey and huge congrats on your success thus far!
I'm glad you found it and enjoyed it for what it has to offer. It takes all sorts to make the world go round don't it? Thank you from me and my fiancé!
And yeah the reduced hunger continues to be real.. Even now when I decide were going to have a celebration feast I still fall well within my normal calorie restriction. I could not imagine eating a 1 pound steak anymore... 6 ounces is more then enough and super satifying.. Heck I once ate a 32 ounce steak? How the heck did I do that? lol
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Poobah1972 wrote: »Hi, dear
Poobah1972 I see first time on FP somebody advocated keto, fasting and low cal way of living. My way is very long more than 50 years. I was ballet dancer at that time and it was accustomed in the ballet culture to eat in deficit, low carb and fasting for 24-36-48 hrs. Still these days, ask any dancer, they would tell you that they eat in the style to decrease weight or keep it as low as possible. My life is a real long term well documented experiment of this way of living. Currently I fast 42 hrs every Monday, 70 hrs once a month, eat dirty keto and low carb diet. Very low calories, by nutritionists consensus. My hair is not fallen , my bones are strong as 25 y/o girl.according to DEXA scan. I did not have any caries in mu teeths for 45 years All systems of the body function normal, even though I m 67 y/o
I m stronger than many women in our gym, muscles are shown well through skin and well defined, like body builders. Even so I never go for very heavy lifting, but my muscles just grow without huge amount of food.
On your place I would not take seriously those haters of fast and keto. These people just like bread too much and don' t want to give up on it. Bread and carbs are very addictive: people can 't admit that they addicts.
You own success story so far is good example of correct way of eating and life style preferences. From first hands I tell you , it is easy to live this way , no needs to consume a lot of carbs, evolutionary, we are more carnivores. Eating carbs it is just way how to survive when out hunters come back empty handed. Good luck to you and your fife
I read your post earlier today and was determined to thank you for taking the time to respond to me. You seem very sincere, and I enjoyed reading your post. I do agree with you in many aspects. We all learned to be the people we are, doing the things we do, and accepting and believing the things we were taught to accept or believe. A lot of close minded views around here to certain ways of doing things, but there is also a lot of good people with the ability to see there is many good ways to move forward with a heathy life and lifestyle. I'm glad you enjoy this particular lifestyle, and I can assure you myself and my fiancé are very much also enjoying it.
I'm sort of shocked to see that you have 9 disagrees so soon? But I guess I shouldn't be. I posted a lot when I started here, but I quickly found out that mentions of IF, fasting or even Keto/Low carb would immediatley cause more then a few people to start mashing the Disagree button? It just is what it is. I pretty much found a happy place on the news feed with like minded individuals, and I've pretty much stopped posting on the forums as a result. We all do what makes us happy in the end? (and unhappy... lol) Oh it's all an Enigma of course.
I am super impressed with your progress and super excited that you and your fiance have found a way of eating that works for you! I didn't even need to see the before pictures to know that you have made tremendous progress - I could see it in your face!
As to the disagrees that natasor is accumulating, I am not surprised. Yes, there are people on the site who will automatically disagree with any post that includes keto, IF, or any number of other methods of dieting or eating. I will say that I am one of the people who disagreed with her post, but not because of the keto or the fasting. I naturally eat in an IF pattern (breakfast is best served after noon!). I also do keto in the winter months (I cannot sustain the level of physical activity I do during the summer months without eating carbs - been there, tried, almost bonked and said not again!). I don't even go hog-wild on the carbs in the summer, usually keeping my carb intake below 150 grams a day, but that 150 grams make a HUGE difference in my performance. What I personally disagreed with in her post are 2 things - the claim that bread/carbs are addictive and that humans have evolved as carnivores. I will not pull the food addiction/sugar addiction debate into our thread - just suffice to day that I do not buy this claim. And humans are most emphatically NOT carnivores. They can CHOOSE to be carnivores and
some can even thrive on this type of diet, but we have evolved over thousands of years to be omnivores and to thrive on what ever food stuffs were close at hand and easily obtainable (cost us the least number of calories to get).
So again, keep up the good work - I will be cheering for you along the way!9 -
Poobah1972 wrote: »Hi, dear
Poobah1972 I see first time on FP somebody advocated keto, fasting and low cal way of living. My way is very long more than 50 years. I was ballet dancer at that time and it was accustomed in the ballet culture to eat in deficit, low carb and fasting for 24-36-48 hrs. Still these days, ask any dancer, they would tell you that they eat in the style to decrease weight or keep it as low as possible. My life is a real long term well documented experiment of this way of living. Currently I fast 42 hrs every Monday, 70 hrs once a month, eat dirty keto and low carb diet. Very low calories, by nutritionists consensus. My hair is not fallen , my bones are strong as 25 y/o girl.according to DEXA scan. I did not have any caries in mu teeths for 45 years All systems of the body function normal, even though I m 67 y/o
I m stronger than many women in our gym, muscles are shown well through skin and well defined, like body builders. Even so I never go for very heavy lifting, but my muscles just grow without huge amount of food.
On your place I would not take seriously those haters of fast and keto. These people just like bread too much and don' t want to give up on it. Bread and carbs are very addictive: people can 't admit that they addicts.
You own success story so far is good example of correct way of eating and life style preferences. From first hands I tell you , it is easy to live this way , no needs to consume a lot of carbs, evolutionary, we are more carnivores. Eating carbs it is just way how to survive when out hunters come back empty handed. Good luck to you and your fife
I read your post earlier today and was determined to thank you for taking the time to respond to me. You seem very sincere, and I enjoyed reading your post. I do agree with you in many aspects. We all learned to be the people we are, doing the things we do, and accepting and believing the things we were taught to accept or believe. A lot of close minded views around here to certain ways of doing things, but there is also a lot of good people with the ability to see there is many good ways to move forward with a heathy life and lifestyle. I'm glad you enjoy this particular lifestyle, and I can assure you myself and my fiancé are very much also enjoying it.
I'm sort of shocked to see that you have 9 disagrees so soon? But I guess I shouldn't be. I posted a lot when I started here, but I quickly found out that mentions of IF, fasting or even Keto/Low carb would immediatley cause more then a few people to start mashing the Disagree button? It just is what it is. I pretty much found a happy place on the news feed with like minded individuals, and I've pretty much stopped posting on the forums as a result. We all do what makes us happy in the end? (and unhappy... lol) Oh it's all an Enigma of course.
I am super impressed with your progress and super excited that you and your fiance have found a way of eating that works for you! I didn't even need to see the before pictures to know that you have made tremendous progress - I could see it in your face!
As to the disagrees that natasor is accumulating, I am not surprised. Yes, there are people on the site who will automatically disagree with any post that includes keto, IF, or any number of other methods of dieting or eating. I will say that I am one of the people who disagreed with her post, but not because of the keto or the fasting. I naturally eat in an IF pattern (breakfast is best served after noon!). I also do keto in the winter months (I cannot sustain the level of physical activity I do during the summer months without eating carbs - been there, tried, almost bonked and said not again!). I don't even go hog-wild on the carbs in the summer, usually keeping my carb intake below 150 grams a day, but that 150 grams make a HUGE difference in my performance. What I personally disagreed with in her post are 2 things - the claim that bread/carbs are addictive and that humans have evolved as carnivores. I will not pull the food addiction/sugar addiction debate into our thread - just suffice to day that I do not buy this claim. And humans are most emphatically NOT carnivores. They can CHOOSE to be carnivores and
some can even thrive on this type of diet, but we have evolved over thousands of years to be omnivores and to thrive on what ever food stuffs were close at hand and easily obtainable (cost us the least number of calories to get).
So again, keep up the good work - I will be cheering for you along the way!
Yes, I personally see a huge difference between "I'm doing keto and it's working so well for me" and "humans aren't supposed to eat carbohydrates." We have ample evidence from human history that humans can thrive on a variety of diets, including those that are lower in carbohydrates but also those that are higher.10 -
Human history is much longer than you can imaging. Thousands years of evolution is definitely not correct, We talking millions years of evolution. All this amazingly long historical stretch humans did not touch even one piece of bread, one piece of sugar. What prehistoric man could find in nature is only, plants parts . like tubers, leaves, stems, very small fruits, berries. With such a little nutritious values of these parts of veggies, sure thing he turned to the meat of animals, where whole spectrum of nutrients and calories present in full.
Some people miss the point: not all carbs created equal. If they say carbs , they mean bread, for some reason. Let distinguish once and forever carbs are not only bread. Carbs are million of plants and their parts. They are not addictive, hard to eat 1 lb of kale or spinach, but it is easy to eat 1lb sandwich for some people. Bread looks good, smells good and taste very good. Such heard to resist fresh bread.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Poobah1972 wrote: »Hi, dear
Poobah1972 I see first time on FP somebody advocated keto, fasting and low cal way of living. My way is very long more than 50 years. I was ballet dancer at that time and it was accustomed in the ballet culture to eat in deficit, low carb and fasting for 24-36-48 hrs. Still these days, ask any dancer, they would tell you that they eat in the style to decrease weight or keep it as low as possible. My life is a real long term well documented experiment of this way of living. Currently I fast 42 hrs every Monday, 70 hrs once a month, eat dirty keto and low carb diet. Very low calories, by nutritionists consensus. My hair is not fallen , my bones are strong as 25 y/o girl.according to DEXA scan. I did not have any caries in mu teeths for 45 years All systems of the body function normal, even though I m 67 y/o
I m stronger than many women in our gym, muscles are shown well through skin and well defined, like body builders. Even so I never go for very heavy lifting, but my muscles just grow without huge amount of food.
On your place I would not take seriously those haters of fast and keto. These people just like bread too much and don' t want to give up on it. Bread and carbs are very addictive: people can 't admit that they addicts.
You own success story so far is good example of correct way of eating and life style preferences. From first hands I tell you , it is easy to live this way , no needs to consume a lot of carbs, evolutionary, we are more carnivores. Eating carbs it is just way how to survive when out hunters come back empty handed. Good luck to you and your fife
I read your post earlier today and was determined to thank you for taking the time to respond to me. You seem very sincere, and I enjoyed reading your post. I do agree with you in many aspects. We all learned to be the people we are, doing the things we do, and accepting and believing the things we were taught to accept or believe. A lot of close minded views around here to certain ways of doing things, but there is also a lot of good people with the ability to see there is many good ways to move forward with a heathy life and lifestyle. I'm glad you enjoy this particular lifestyle, and I can assure you myself and my fiancé are very much also enjoying it.
I'm sort of shocked to see that you have 9 disagrees so soon? But I guess I shouldn't be. I posted a lot when I started here, but I quickly found out that mentions of IF, fasting or even Keto/Low carb would immediatley cause more then a few people to start mashing the Disagree button? It just is what it is. I pretty much found a happy place on the news feed with like minded individuals, and I've pretty much stopped posting on the forums as a result. We all do what makes us happy in the end? (and unhappy... lol) Oh it's all an Enigma of course.
I am super impressed with your progress and super excited that you and your fiance have found a way of eating that works for you! I didn't even need to see the before pictures to know that you have made tremendous progress - I could see it in your face!
As to the disagrees that natasor is accumulating, I am not surprised. Yes, there are people on the site who will automatically disagree with any post that includes keto, IF, or any number of other methods of dieting or eating. I will say that I am one of the people who disagreed with her post, but not because of the keto or the fasting. I naturally eat in an IF pattern (breakfast is best served after noon!). I also do keto in the winter months (I cannot sustain the level of physical activity I do during the summer months without eating carbs - been there, tried, almost bonked and said not again!). I don't even go hog-wild on the carbs in the summer, usually keeping my carb intake below 150 grams a day, but that 150 grams make a HUGE difference in my performance. What I personally disagreed with in her post are 2 things - the claim that bread/carbs are addictive and that humans have evolved as carnivores. I will not pull the food addiction/sugar addiction debate into our thread - just suffice to day that I do not buy this claim. And humans are most emphatically NOT carnivores. They can CHOOSE to be carnivores and
some can even thrive on this type of diet, but we have evolved over thousands of years to be omnivores and to thrive on what ever food stuffs were close at hand and easily obtainable (cost us the least number of calories to get).
So again, keep up the good work - I will be cheering for you along the way!
Yes, I personally see a huge difference between "I'm doing keto and it's working so well for me" and "humans aren't supposed to eat carbohydrates." We have ample evidence from human history that humans can thrive on a variety of diets, including those that are lower in carbohydrates but also those that are higher.
Exactly. Or, to quote the post in question:
"On your place I would not take seriously those haters of fast and keto. These people just like bread too much and don' t want to give up on it. Bread and carbs are very addictive: people can 't admit that they addicts."
Vs: "I have a hard time moderating bread and it is easier for me to just abstain from it."
I doubt the latter would have incurred any disagrees.
The former is not only disagree-worthy, but it is rude.18 -
The cultivation of grains was a huge achievement in human history. It seems kind of disingenuous to reduce all of that to our modern day Western perception of bread. I say this as a person who's turned into something of a low carber, though not deliberately - it's just how my macros keep shaking out.
People can choose to eat whatever they want and avoid certain food groups if they wish to. No issue with anybody doing what's working for them for weight loss. I'm really happy for Poobah and his fiancée and wish the both of them much continued success.
I don't think it's necessary to trash a nutritional staple of cultures around the world in order to congratulate them.13 -
Human history is much longer than you can imaging. Thousands years of evolution is definitely not correct, We talking millions years of evolution. All this amazingly long historical stretch humans did not touch even one piece of bread, one piece of sugar. What prehistoric man could find in nature is only, plants parts . like tubers, leaves, stems, very small fruits, berries. With such a little nutritious values of these parts of veggies, sure thing he turned to the meat of animals, where whole spectrum of nutrients and calories present in full.
Some people miss the point: not all carbs created equal. If they say carbs , they mean bread, for some reason. Let distinguish once and forever carbs are not only bread. Carbs are million of plants and their parts. They are not addictive, hard to eat 1 lb of kale or spinach, but it is easy to eat 1lb sandwich for some people. Bread looks good, smells good and taste very good. Such heard to resist fresh bread.
I don't particularly like bread, only eat it occasionally. I eat around 250g carbs daily. Evolutionary biologists will tell you that the thousands of years of human farming are plenty of time to create adaptation to eat grain. Flour is just ground grain.8 -
Heh, I was going to say something similar, Ann (except I usually do eat kind of low carb). I don't like most bread much and certainly don't have an urge to overeat it, and the breads I do like (like naan), I eat rarely. Yet I got fat and I lost weight all without changing my bread consumption (which was limited for preference reasons). Even as a kid I drove my mother crazy because I would eat sandwiches so figuring out lunches was more challenging, for example.
Only ignorant people assume carbs = bread. I get a lot of carbs from fruit and veg and beans and tubers, among other foods.6 -
Human history is much longer than you can imaging. Thousands years of evolution is definitely not correct, We talking millions years of evolution. All this amazingly long historical stretch humans did not touch even one piece of bread, one piece of sugar. What prehistoric man could find in nature is only, plants parts . like tubers, leaves, stems, very small fruits, berries. With such a little nutritious values of these parts of veggies, sure thing he turned to the meat of animals, where whole spectrum of nutrients and calories present in full.
Some people miss the point: not all carbs created equal. If they say carbs , they mean bread, for some reason. Let distinguish once and forever carbs are not only bread. Carbs are million of plants and their parts. They are not addictive, hard to eat 1 lb of kale or spinach, but it is easy to eat 1lb sandwich for some people. Bread looks good, smells good and taste very good. Such heard to resist fresh bread.
in 7 years of being on this forum I have not seen any post saying carbs are only bread.
maybe there have been some, I haven't read every single thread - but not sure where these 'some people' are.
I dont think it is something that needed to be distinguished.
Nothing wrong with eating bread - nothing wrong with not eating bread either if you don't want to or you have a medical reason or find it hard to control or whatever.
Eat it or don't eat it as you wish.
Same goes for any other food - it is just a food, like any other food
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Human history is much longer than you can imaging. Thousands years of evolution is definitely not correct, We talking millions years of evolution. All this amazingly long historical stretch humans did not touch even one piece of bread, one piece of sugar. What prehistoric man could find in nature is only, plants parts . like tubers, leaves, stems, very small fruits, berries. With such a little nutritious values of these parts of veggies, sure thing he turned to the meat of animals, where whole spectrum of nutrients and calories present in full.
Some people miss the point: not all carbs created equal. If they say carbs , they mean bread, for some reason. Let distinguish once and forever carbs are not only bread. Carbs are million of plants and their parts. They are not addictive, hard to eat 1 lb of kale or spinach, but it is easy to eat 1lb sandwich for some people. Bread looks good, smells good and taste very good. Such heard to resist fresh bread.
I don't particularly like bread, only eat it occasionally. I eat around 250g carbs daily. Evolutionary biologists will tell you that the thousands of years of human farming are plenty of time to create adaptation to eat grain. Flour is just ground grain.
I would also add that over half the population of the world eats rice (rice is a grain) as a basic go-to staple for a major portion of their daily calories.8 -
Human history is much longer than you can imaging. Thousands years of evolution is definitely not correct, We talking millions years of evolution. All this amazingly long historical stretch humans did not touch even one piece of bread, one piece of sugar. What prehistoric man could find in nature is only, plants parts . like tubers, leaves, stems, very small fruits, berries. With such a little nutritious values of these parts of veggies, sure thing he turned to the meat of animals, where whole spectrum of nutrients and calories present in full.
Some people miss the point: not all carbs created equal. If they say carbs , they mean bread, for some reason. Let distinguish once and forever carbs are not only bread. Carbs are million of plants and their parts. They are not addictive, hard to eat 1 lb of kale or spinach, but it is easy to eat 1lb sandwich for some people. Bread looks good, smells good and taste very good. Such heard to resist fresh bread.
I don't particularly like bread, only eat it occasionally. I eat around 250g carbs daily. Evolutionary biologists will tell you that the thousands of years of human farming are plenty of time to create adaptation to eat grain. Flour is just ground grain.
I would also add that over half the population of the world eats rice (rice is a grain) as a basic go-to staple for a major portion of their daily calories.
I also find it fascinating when talking about our ancestors that one believes they all ate the same kind of food, ignoring climate and availability. Those in tropical regions are differently than those in more northern regions.11 -
Human history is much longer than you can imaging. Thousands years of evolution is definitely not correct, We talking millions years of evolution. All this amazingly long historical stretch humans did not touch even one piece of bread, one piece of sugar. What prehistoric man could find in nature is only, plants parts . like tubers, leaves, stems, very small fruits, berries. With such a little nutritious values of these parts of veggies, sure thing he turned to the meat of animals, where whole spectrum of nutrients and calories present in full.
Some people miss the point: not all carbs created equal. If they say carbs , they mean bread, for some reason. Let distinguish once and forever carbs are not only bread. Carbs are million of plants and their parts. They are not addictive, hard to eat 1 lb of kale or spinach, but it is easy to eat 1lb sandwich for some people. Bread looks good, smells good and taste very good. Such heard to resist fresh bread.
I don't particularly like bread, only eat it occasionally. I eat around 250g carbs daily. Evolutionary biologists will tell you that the thousands of years of human farming are plenty of time to create adaptation to eat grain. Flour is just ground grain.
I would also add that over half the population of the world eats rice (rice is a grain) as a basic go-to staple for a major portion of their daily calories.
I also find it fascinating when talking about our ancestors that one believes they all ate the same kind of food, ignoring climate and availability. Those in tropical regions are differently than those in more northern regions.
yes - even there in first post quoted is - historically, humans never ate one piece of sugar, only what they found in nature as plant parts
I'm sure humans where wild sugar cane grows did eat pieces of sugar, found in nature as plant parts
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Yes, those sugars in nature, are distributed in the fiber of the plant. For 5 g of concentrated sucralose (which is our sugar) you, probably chew a whole plant of 3-4 lb shugar canes or 3-4 roots of beet.
As much as archaeology declares, the switch to agriculture made man worth in physical condition: shorter stature, teeth decay, diabetics mellitus, heart problem of all sorts, newrologic problems, arthritis, allergic reactions, leaky guts, lectin problems, inflamation of different origin.3 -
Yes, those sugars in nature, are distributed in the fiber of the plant. For 5 g of concentrated sucralose (which is our sugar) you, probably chew a whole plant of 3-4 lb shugar canes or 3-4 roots of beet.
As much as archaeology declares, the switch to agriculture made man worth in physical condition: shorter stature, teeth decay, diabetics mellitus, heart problem of all sorts, newrologic problems, arthritis, allergic reactions, leaky guts, lectin problems, inflamation of different origin.
Our table sugar is sucrose, not sucralose. Sucralose is an artificial sweetener.
Sucrose is a disaccharide, contains two monosaccharides, glucose and fructose.
Honey is also primarily glucose and fructose. Archeological evidence suggests that humans have been keeping bees for at least 9,000 years, and foraging honey much longer.
Sugar beets run around 18% sugar, and a sugar beet weighs 2 to 5 pounds. That suggests that a single small -ish sugar beet contains around 163g of sucrose. I'm sure that modern sugar beets are more sucrose-dense than their pre-agricultural forms, but just for comparison purposes, one regular modern table beet (not sugar beet so not bred for optimized sugar content) contains around 5.5g of sugar, per USDA.
It's easy to find these facts.
Sure, it's not a good idea, in terms of overall nutrition, to consume lots of sugar - to the point that it puts one over reasonable calories, or drives out other necessary nutrition, for example.11 -
Sucrose, OK I take my mistake.
For bread more goodies I just recalled: opioids content, glycimic and insulimic indexes more than pure sugar 130%, autoimmune diseases, possible autism in children.
Asian example of consuming rice is very poor example. While in USA and other western countries around 10% population diagnosed with diabetes, unfortunate Asian countries like China, India, Indonesia (all high consumption of rice) have scaled to 30% of real diagnosed diabetes of all ages including young kids.
Growth of the world diabetes increased from 9% in 2000, 12% in 2010, 16.8% in 2020. Most growth attributed to higher growing populations in Asian countries. So, no greatness about rice, like any other grains, especially GMO.
Sorry about man who started this thread. He just wanted to share with community his success story of eating no bread and other high processed food. He did not specified how much he and his wife weighted before started keto. But my impression was around 360-400 lb. I wanted be as close as possible to his specific needs. I repeat again, that keto/low carb may not be perfect for everybody. People with normal metabolism could eat what they want , but specifically this man and woman have already have eaten their load of bread. It is very good, that keto worked for them. I hope for the close future it will be working for them also5 -
Apologies for adding to digression on your thread, OP.
You and your girlfriend are doing great! It's kind of magical when people find the healthy way of eating that works best for them, and it sounds like you've done that. Good show!
I was thinking I'd already posted to this effect, after your amazing 7/27 photo update post. I had not, and I'm sorry.
Keep up the great work, and we'll look forward to more wonderful updates!2 -
Human history is much longer than you can imaging. Thousands years of evolution is definitely not correct, We talking millions years of evolution. All this amazingly long historical stretch humans did not touch even one piece of bread, one piece of sugar. What prehistoric man could find in nature is only, plants parts . like tubers, leaves, stems, very small fruits, berries. With such a little nutritious values of these parts of veggies, sure thing he turned to the meat of animals, where whole spectrum of nutrients and calories present in full.
Some people miss the point: not all carbs created equal. If they say carbs , they mean bread, for some reason. Let distinguish once and forever carbs are not only bread. Carbs are million of plants and their parts. They are not addictive, hard to eat 1 lb of kale or spinach, but it is easy to eat 1lb sandwich for some people. Bread looks good, smells good and taste very good. Such heard to resist fresh bread.
First off..... wrong about hunter gatherers diets being primarily meat based. Is actually heavily plant based. This is a breakdown by season of the Hadza's diet6
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