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Fitness and diet myths that just won't go away
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corinasue1143 wrote: »Motorsheen wrote: »This entire thread would be completely and absolutely unnecessary if everyone would just agree to drink Apple Cider Vinegar three times a day, everyday.
Cause no one in the world would be overweight.
I think drinking straight vinegar might make me vomit, so if I did it after each meal . . . I might not ever have to worry about gaining weight (just losing my teeth and my will to continue living).2 -
Sixteen_Tons wrote: »I actually had a person ask me if it hurt t be fat. I asked him if it hurt to be bald. Sometimes you have to be your own advocate, because there's a lot of myths about 'Fat' people out there. I used 'Fat' intentionally because we know all to well what we are, and how we look. Nobody chooses to be this way, a lot of factors are in play both physical & mental. It takes a long time and many false starts to overcome.
'Normal' people take a moment to think before you speak, the embarrassment you save may be yours. We're tired of being targets for all the well meaning jerks who think it's alright to insert yourself into our personal lives in such a way.
The two can't be compared at all, it's absurd. Being bald is something that you inherit and can't change, obesity is a whole different story. You may think you are the exception but for 95% of cases it is something you have control over. The biggest dick move is insulting someone for things they are born with and can't change, like being bald, having physical deformities, etc... There's a clear disctinction between the two.10 -
Yeah, the much better question to shoot back there is to ask if it hurts to be that rude. Commenting on people's appearance in general, beyond a passing positive like 'you look nice' is generally just not okay. Insulting them for being a jerk, however, I find highly acceptable.11
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Sixteen_Tons wrote: »I actually had a person ask me if it hurt t be fat. I asked him if it hurt to be bald. Sometimes you have to be your own advocate, because there's a lot of myths about 'Fat' people out there. I used 'Fat' intentionally because we know all to well what we are, and how we look. Nobody chooses to be this way, a lot of factors are in play both physical & mental. It takes a long time and many false starts to overcome.
'Normal' people take a moment to think before you speak, the embarrassment you save may be yours. We're tired of being targets for all the well meaning jerks who think it's alright to insert yourself into our personal lives in such a way.
The two can't be compared at all, it's absurd. Being bald is something that you inherit and can't change, obesity is a whole different story. You may think you are the exception but for 95% of cases it is something you have control over. The biggest dick move is insulting someone for things they are born with and can't change, like being bald, having physical deformities, etc... There's a clear disctinction between the two.
It’s a pretty “big dick move” to insult people over their weight, too.
Have had it happen to me many times. One of the worst times was when we were enjoying a day at Safeco Field. My adult son and I hadn’t had ice cream in literally forever. He is a large person, and I don’t mean extremely fat either. He’s very tall, and broad shouldered. Think Chewbacca. I was just barely over #200 myself at the time, too, and had been back at the weight loss thing for a few months.
We got one of those plastic ball caps with about four scoops of ice cream. And the dickhead jock-wannabes behind us spent about half an hour loudly shouting offensive fat shaming crap at us. Absolutely ruining the moment for our entire group.
(If I knew then what I know now, I would have filmed them and had them ejected from the game.)
That’s only one example. I have many. And I know every fat person does.
It sucks. It should never be considered OK to do. Not under any circumstances.10 -
Yes agreed.
But 2 wrongs don't make a right
And if we are calling people out for rudeness that is what we should call out - not respond in kind about an unrelated physical feature, like baldness.12 -
Sixteen_Tons wrote: »I actually had a person ask me if it hurt t be fat. I asked him if it hurt to be bald. Sometimes you have to be your own advocate, because there's a lot of myths about 'Fat' people out there. I used 'Fat' intentionally because we know all to well what we are, and how we look. Nobody chooses to be this way, a lot of factors are in play both physical & mental. It takes a long time and many false starts to overcome.
'Normal' people take a moment to think before you speak, the embarrassment you save may be yours. We're tired of being targets for all the well meaning jerks who think it's alright to insert yourself into our personal lives in such a way.
The two can't be compared at all, it's absurd. Being bald is something that you inherit and can't change, obesity is a whole different story. You may think you are the exception but for 95% of cases it is something you have control over. The biggest dick move is insulting someone for things they are born with and can't change, like being bald, having physical deformities, etc... There's a clear disctinction between the two.
A lot of people are bald because they got tired of having hair and shaved it, or think they look better that way.5 -
NorthCascades wrote: »Sixteen_Tons wrote: »I actually had a person ask me if it hurt t be fat. I asked him if it hurt to be bald. Sometimes you have to be your own advocate, because there's a lot of myths about 'Fat' people out there. I used 'Fat' intentionally because we know all to well what we are, and how we look. Nobody chooses to be this way, a lot of factors are in play both physical & mental. It takes a long time and many false starts to overcome.
'Normal' people take a moment to think before you speak, the embarrassment you save may be yours. We're tired of being targets for all the well meaning jerks who think it's alright to insert yourself into our personal lives in such a way.
The two can't be compared at all, it's absurd. Being bald is something that you inherit and can't change, obesity is a whole different story. You may think you are the exception but for 95% of cases it is something you have control over. The biggest dick move is insulting someone for things they are born with and can't change, like being bald, having physical deformities, etc... There's a clear disctinction between the two.
A lot of people are bald because they got tired of having hair and shaved it, or think they look better that way.
Or because of chemotherapy.
Interestingly, in this context, sometimes chemo-induced baldness *does* hurt. It wasn't true for me, but some people report burning or prickling of the scalp with chemo-induced hair loss.
I guess baldness might also hurt the shave-y people if nicks or razor burn, too.
Insults are a jerk move, though, even when responding to something offensive. High road is better, IMO.
Still think the belief is absurd, as PP implies, that it makes a difference in degree of jerk-i-tude that fat is a choice (I could argue) but baldness is not. Extra absurd when the baldness insult followed the fatness one.
Insults are a jerk move, regardless.4 -
NorthCascades wrote: »Sixteen_Tons wrote: »I actually had a person ask me if it hurt t be fat. I asked him if it hurt to be bald. Sometimes you have to be your own advocate, because there's a lot of myths about 'Fat' people out there. I used 'Fat' intentionally because we know all to well what we are, and how we look. Nobody chooses to be this way, a lot of factors are in play both physical & mental. It takes a long time and many false starts to overcome.
'Normal' people take a moment to think before you speak, the embarrassment you save may be yours. We're tired of being targets for all the well meaning jerks who think it's alright to insert yourself into our personal lives in such a way.
The two can't be compared at all, it's absurd. Being bald is something that you inherit and can't change, obesity is a whole different story. You may think you are the exception but for 95% of cases it is something you have control over. The biggest dick move is insulting someone for things they are born with and can't change, like being bald, having physical deformities, etc... There's a clear disctinction between the two.
A lot of people are bald because they got tired of having hair and shaved it, or think they look better that way.
Or because of chemotherapy.
Interestingly, in this context, sometimes chemo-induced baldness *does* hurt. It wasn't true for me, but some people report burning or prickling of the scalp with chemo-induced hair loss.
I guess baldness might also hurt the shave-y people if nicks or razor burn, too.
Insults are a jerk move, though, even when responding to something offensive. High road is better, IMO.
Still think the belief is absurd, as PP implies, that it makes a difference in degree of jerk-i-tude that fat is a choice (I could argue) but baldness is not. Extra absurd when the baldness insult followed the fatness one.
Insults are a jerk move, regardless.
What if it's part of a rap battle?2 -
NorthCascades wrote: »Sixteen_Tons wrote: »I actually had a person ask me if it hurt t be fat. I asked him if it hurt to be bald. Sometimes you have to be your own advocate, because there's a lot of myths about 'Fat' people out there. I used 'Fat' intentionally because we know all to well what we are, and how we look. Nobody chooses to be this way, a lot of factors are in play both physical & mental. It takes a long time and many false starts to overcome.
'Normal' people take a moment to think before you speak, the embarrassment you save may be yours. We're tired of being targets for all the well meaning jerks who think it's alright to insert yourself into our personal lives in such a way.
The two can't be compared at all, it's absurd. Being bald is something that you inherit and can't change, obesity is a whole different story. You may think you are the exception but for 95% of cases it is something you have control over. The biggest dick move is insulting someone for things they are born with and can't change, like being bald, having physical deformities, etc... There's a clear disctinction between the two.
A lot of people are bald because they got tired of having hair and shaved it, or think they look better that way.
Or because of chemotherapy.
Interestingly, in this context, sometimes chemo-induced baldness *does* hurt. It wasn't true for me, but some people report burning or prickling of the scalp with chemo-induced hair loss.
I guess baldness might also hurt the shave-y people if nicks or razor burn, too.
Insults are a jerk move, though, even when responding to something offensive. High road is better, IMO.
Still think the belief is absurd, as PP implies, that it makes a difference in degree of jerk-i-tude that fat is a choice (I could argue) but baldness is not. Extra absurd when the baldness insult followed the fatness one.
Insults are a jerk move, regardless.
Yes I think there is a difference between something that you can change and something you cannot change. The bald dude will forever be bald and the obese person, for most cases can lose weight.
Edit : And I think both are jerk moves, but to different degrees.2 -
SnifterPug wrote: »You have to exercise to lose weight.
This mine too, love it my friend wanted to argue and debate me on this because she used a boot camp and near starvation to lose 20 lbs quickly. What she didn't realize it was because she was barely eating anything that the pounds dropped, the moment she went back to her regular eating the pounds are back.
Mean while I've lost the majority of my 50 lbs doing no exercise. I'm starting to exercise now to tone up, but exercise didn't make me lose weight it's all about not over eating to many calories. CICO baby3 -
NorthCascades wrote: »Sixteen_Tons wrote: »I actually had a person ask me if it hurt t be fat. I asked him if it hurt to be bald. Sometimes you have to be your own advocate, because there's a lot of myths about 'Fat' people out there. I used 'Fat' intentionally because we know all to well what we are, and how we look. Nobody chooses to be this way, a lot of factors are in play both physical & mental. It takes a long time and many false starts to overcome.
'Normal' people take a moment to think before you speak, the embarrassment you save may be yours. We're tired of being targets for all the well meaning jerks who think it's alright to insert yourself into our personal lives in such a way.
The two can't be compared at all, it's absurd. Being bald is something that you inherit and can't change, obesity is a whole different story. You may think you are the exception but for 95% of cases it is something you have control over. The biggest dick move is insulting someone for things they are born with and can't change, like being bald, having physical deformities, etc... There's a clear disctinction between the two.
A lot of people are bald because they got tired of having hair and shaved it, or think they look better that way.
Or because of chemotherapy.
Interestingly, in this context, sometimes chemo-induced baldness *does* hurt. It wasn't true for me, but some people report burning or prickling of the scalp with chemo-induced hair loss.
I guess baldness might also hurt the shave-y people if nicks or razor burn, too.
Insults are a jerk move, though, even when responding to something offensive. High road is better, IMO.
Still think the belief is absurd, as PP implies, that it makes a difference in degree of jerk-i-tude that fat is a choice (I could argue) but baldness is not. Extra absurd when the baldness insult followed the fatness one.
Insults are a jerk move, regardless.
What if it's part of a rap battle?
Rap Battles are so 2013.....
Breakdance Fighting has currently made a badly needed resurgence.
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yweight2020 wrote: »SnifterPug wrote: »You have to exercise to lose weight.
This mine too, love it my friend wanted to argue and debate me on this because she used a boot camp and near starvation to lose 20 lbs quickly. What she didn't realize it was because she was barely eating anything that the pounds dropped, the moment she went back to her regular eating the pounds are back.
Mean while I've lost the majority of my 50 lbs doing no exercise. I'm starting to exercise now to tone up, but exercise didn't make me lose weight it's all about not over eating to many calories. CICO baby
What works for me:
In this order....
Diet
Diet
Diet
Diet
Weights
Diet
Diet
Weights
Diet
Cardio
Diet
Diet2 -
Up_n_Running wrote: »Apple cider vinegar aids weight loss ? 🤔
Is this a myth.....😬
@Up_n_Running
YOU LEAVE APPLE CIDER VINEGAR ALONE !!!
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Lol, my friend and I were waiting in line and she picked up some kind of ACV supplement bottle off a display, "Is this a thing again?" I laughed and said it's always a thing, but nice for cooking.0
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Doing HIIT 1 hour class.
If it's 1 hour long, it AIN'T HIIT.
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Depends how long the second "I" is...0
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Depends how long the second "I" is...
Maybe. Or on the magnitude of the initial HI, and the nature of the exercise?
The thing that is a head-scratcher to me is when folks advocating the circuit-training-ish HIIT claim it has benefits that were demonstrated in research on specific sorts of cardio HIIT . . . I guess because it's all "HIIT"?
That, and when someone posts a thread to ask "how do I estimate the calories for HIIT?". IMO, one doesn't. One estimates that calories from circuit training, calisthenics, cycling, running, rowing . . . etc. HIIT is a pacing strategy, IMO, not an exercise type.
Mostly, I think calling things HIIT is trendy, and people like doing the supposedly cool stuff.3 -
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Doing HIIT 1 hour class.
If it's 1 hour long, it AIN'T HIIT.
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutritionDepends how long the second "I" is...
HIIT is done at an intensity that can't be maintained for an hour. The intervals are extremely short and the rest periods after also extremely short such that you must work as hard as you're able to when you're not recovered.2 -
Myth: HIIT is a productive way to exercise for health.
Truth: adaptations from HIIT are extremely short lived. Your body responds to the extreme but controlled stress by doing things like increasing blood plasma volume to carry more oxygen to the working muscles. That goes back to normal within a week.2 -
NorthCascades wrote: »Myth: HIIT is a productive way to exercise for health.
Truth: adaptations from HIIT are extremely short lived. Your body responds to the extreme but controlled stress by doing things like increasing blood plasma volume to carry more oxygen to the working muscles. That goes back to normal within a week.
I have a group of friends who want to support another friend who's starting out as a personal trainer. It sounded like a nice idea to me, but I looked into some of her marketing materials and it's all HIIT-type stuff (maybe there's really something there, but it all came off as a little woo to me knowing what I do now from reading these here forums). Trying to look for a graceful way to bow out now without offending everybody, to do more conventional strength training instead.
It's funny because I'm one of the first people to say that there are clear differences between male and female bodies, but how exercise and fitness is marketed to ladies is really bonkers.7 -
penguinmama87 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »Myth: HIIT is a productive way to exercise for health.
Truth: adaptations from HIIT are extremely short lived. Your body responds to the extreme but controlled stress by doing things like increasing blood plasma volume to carry more oxygen to the working muscles. That goes back to normal within a week.
I have a group of friends who want to support another friend who's starting out as a personal trainer. It sounded like a nice idea to me, but I looked into some of her marketing materials and it's all HIIT-type stuff (maybe there's really something there, but it all came off as a little woo to me knowing what I do now from reading these here forums). Trying to look for a graceful way to bow out now without offending everybody, to do more conventional strength training instead.
It's funny because I'm one of the first people to say that there are clear differences between male and female bodies, but how exercise and fitness is marketed to ladies is really bonkers.
If your friend is worth a whit as a trainer, they'll train you to help you reach you goals, not theirs.
But you probably knew that already.5 -
YellowD0gs wrote: »penguinmama87 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »Myth: HIIT is a productive way to exercise for health.
Truth: adaptations from HIIT are extremely short lived. Your body responds to the extreme but controlled stress by doing things like increasing blood plasma volume to carry more oxygen to the working muscles. That goes back to normal within a week.
I have a group of friends who want to support another friend who's starting out as a personal trainer. It sounded like a nice idea to me, but I looked into some of her marketing materials and it's all HIIT-type stuff (maybe there's really something there, but it all came off as a little woo to me knowing what I do now from reading these here forums). Trying to look for a graceful way to bow out now without offending everybody, to do more conventional strength training instead.
It's funny because I'm one of the first people to say that there are clear differences between male and female bodies, but how exercise and fitness is marketed to ladies is really bonkers.
If your friend is worth a whit as a trainer, they'll train you to help you reach you goals, not theirs.
But you probably knew that already.
It helps to be reminded, so thank you!
I did decide to reach out to specifically ask. I actually don't know her personally but we know a lot of the same people. There's some group thing being organized so the specifics for that group may have a narrower scope than if I were to seek out something one-on-one. I could have been too hasty to judge based on promo materials. Her target audience isn't people who spend a bunch of downtime on MFP, after all.
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Apple cider vinegar will remove the enamel on your teeth. I guess that counts as weight loss.
You don't really need enamel on your teeth if you don't mind strong sensitivity to hot or cold temperatures. Not really sure if it is worth the netgrams in weight loss
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Personally I'm GLAD I don't train a bunch of personal friends. I don't even train my wife. I've found that if you feel they aren't working hard enough to achieve, that sometimes they take that personally. And that's just one more thing I don't need to worry about on my job. I do have one friend that I do train, but he's on the up and up when I tell him how to improve and takes the critique to heart.penguinmama87 wrote: »YellowD0gs wrote: »penguinmama87 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »Myth: HIIT is a productive way to exercise for health.
Truth: adaptations from HIIT are extremely short lived. Your body responds to the extreme but controlled stress by doing things like increasing blood plasma volume to carry more oxygen to the working muscles. That goes back to normal within a week.
I have a group of friends who want to support another friend who's starting out as a personal trainer. It sounded like a nice idea to me, but I looked into some of her marketing materials and it's all HIIT-type stuff (maybe there's really something there, but it all came off as a little woo to me knowing what I do now from reading these here forums). Trying to look for a graceful way to bow out now without offending everybody, to do more conventional strength training instead.
It's funny because I'm one of the first people to say that there are clear differences between male and female bodies, but how exercise and fitness is marketed to ladies is really bonkers.
If your friend is worth a whit as a trainer, they'll train you to help you reach you goals, not theirs.
But you probably knew that already.
It helps to be reminded, so thank you!
I did decide to reach out to specifically ask. I actually don't know her personally but we know a lot of the same people. There's some group thing being organized so the specifics for that group may have a narrower scope than if I were to seek out something one-on-one. I could have been too hasty to judge based on promo materials. Her target audience isn't people who spend a bunch of downtime on MFP, after all.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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That's what always amazes me when I hear how many professional athletes, especially tennis players for some reason, have their SO as their coach. Man, the pressures that must place on the home life, to consider being intimate with somebody who just an hour ago was yelling at you about the mistakes you made.5
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That's what always amazes me when I hear how many professional athletes, especially tennis players for some reason, have their SO as their coach. Man, the pressures that must place on the home life, to consider being intimate with somebody who just an hour ago was yelling at you about the mistakes you made.
My husband is an independent contractor, and my company sometimes hires him to do a job.
When he works for us, I'm his supervisor and I need to tell him what to do and let him know if he's doing something wrong.
It's funny because we have never had any issues with it, but for some reason, everyone around us gets all uncomfortable and nervous when there's any sort of "spirited discussion" about the way something should be done. We're both respectful professionals so if you heard our work conversations, you wouldn't know we were married.
I can imagine it being different in an emotionally charged situation like professional athletes face, though.2 -
Personally I'm GLAD I don't train a bunch of personal friends. I don't even train my wife. I've found that if you feel they aren't working hard enough to achieve, that sometimes they take that personally. And that's just one more thing I don't need to worry about on my job. I do have one friend that I do train, but he's on the up and up when I tell him how to improve and takes the critique to heart.penguinmama87 wrote: »YellowD0gs wrote: »penguinmama87 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »Myth: HIIT is a productive way to exercise for health.
Truth: adaptations from HIIT are extremely short lived. Your body responds to the extreme but controlled stress by doing things like increasing blood plasma volume to carry more oxygen to the working muscles. That goes back to normal within a week.
I have a group of friends who want to support another friend who's starting out as a personal trainer. It sounded like a nice idea to me, but I looked into some of her marketing materials and it's all HIIT-type stuff (maybe there's really something there, but it all came off as a little woo to me knowing what I do now from reading these here forums). Trying to look for a graceful way to bow out now without offending everybody, to do more conventional strength training instead.
It's funny because I'm one of the first people to say that there are clear differences between male and female bodies, but how exercise and fitness is marketed to ladies is really bonkers.
If your friend is worth a whit as a trainer, they'll train you to help you reach you goals, not theirs.
But you probably knew that already.
It helps to be reminded, so thank you!
I did decide to reach out to specifically ask. I actually don't know her personally but we know a lot of the same people. There's some group thing being organized so the specifics for that group may have a narrower scope than if I were to seek out something one-on-one. I could have been too hasty to judge based on promo materials. Her target audience isn't people who spend a bunch of downtime on MFP, after all.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Definitely very wise.
In the early years of my marriage my husband did Tae Kwon Do and golf with me.
Now, I have zero talent at Tae Kwon Do. I did the stretches, and up to yellow belt OK. But I am just too uncoordinated to have gotten anywhere near my husband’s level.
Golf? Maybe I had a chance. But he got bored with my inexperience and started walking ahead of me.
Until I accidentally hit him in the kitten with a decent shot…. And he never golfed with me again. Probably just as well. 🤣
We hiked and fished and did a bunch of other stuff together. But not the two things that were always nearest and dearest to his athletic heart.0 -
There are a lot of unfairly demonized foods. A lot of people still think potatoes have "no nutrition" and will rant about it when I mention my potato dishes.13
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Just remembered one my SO's daughter shared back when she was in her early 20s: people who are happy gain weight. I guess if life is good you have more of an appetite or enjoy food more or something?
I assume this is why she herself gained about 60 lbs following her marriage. It had nothing to do with the dinner parties or the nightly bottle of wine or the takeout pizzas. It was because she was happy.7
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