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Pfizer for teens?

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  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,281 Member
    NVintage wrote: »
    Well regardless of where you stand on this issue, I think we'd all probably agree that greed and commercialism in the medical field and pharmaceutical industries hurt everyone. I don't just automatically trust peer reviewed research without looking up the researchers and funding, etc. & it's sad.. isn't there such important research that scientists need to do, but can't simply because it's not profitable enough to be funded?

    No I do not agree.
  • JessD9031
    JessD9031 Posts: 581 Member
    33gail33 wrote: »
    JessD9031 wrote: »
    33gail33 wrote: »

    *the actual rate is more like 1.8%

    Sure, if you count all of the people killed in car wrecks, construction accidents, or died of other legitimate causes that were labeled as "Covid" deaths because they may have tested positive after death. Hospitals everywhere are using the "Covid" cause of death for everything they can because covid insurance claims are paying at a higher rate and are not being scrutinized as closely for fraud.

    Actual deaths caused by Covid alone are probably much lower than what @ElliesDad422 noted.

    Hospitals everywhere? Our hospitals are publicly funded and non-profit so I can't imagine a scenario where a Covid death would be more beneficial to them than a death by any other cause.

    Or do you mean life insurance claims? Maybe I'm not following exactly what "covid insurance claims" you are referring to.

    I do not know where you are, but I do know that hospitals in the United States get a much higher reimbursement rate from health insurance on claims with a covid diagnosis, and that those claims are not being scrutinized for fraud the way other claims are. This is simple fact. There are people going in for broken legs, testing positive for Covid with no symptoms, and the hospitals are filing claims with primary diagnosis of Covid and secondary diagnosis of bone fracture, and getting paid more with less scrutiny.

    Same with deaths. Say someone who is a lifelong sufferer of emphysema is on death's doorstep. They go to the hospital, are admitted, test positive for covid with no symptoms of the disease, and die a week later. The hospital codes it as a covid death in order to get higher Medicare reimbursement and less scrutiny from private insurance. It has been happening every day since this started, and this has driven up the death count tremendously.
  • JessD9031
    JessD9031 Posts: 581 Member
    JessD9031 wrote: »
    33gail33 wrote: »

    *the actual rate is more like 1.8%

    Sure, if you count all of the people killed in car wrecks, construction accidents, or died of other legitimate causes that were labeled as "Covid" deaths because they may have tested positive after death. Hospitals everywhere are using the "Covid" cause of death for everything they can because covid insurance claims are paying at a higher rate and are not being scrutinized as closely for fraud.

    Actual deaths caused by Covid alone are probably much lower than what @ElliesDad422 noted.

    What fraud??

    Not following what you are claiming is happening??

    And does it apply to all countries?? Are you claiming covid deaths are being misdiagnosed in all countries - if not, how do you a count for the death rate world wide ??

    When claims are submitted to insurance companies for adjudication and payment, they are run through extensive data analysis for possible insurance fraud. Both by private insurance companies and by Medicare. Claims with Covid diagnosis on them are not being scrutinized as closely, and are being paid regardless of any issues that may arise in the claims by government mandate.

    I cannot speak intelligently about what may be going on in other parts of the world, I only know what I know about what is happening in my country. All I will say, in closing, is if you blindly believe what the talking heads in the government and the media are spoon feeding you, you are going to end up getting what you deserve, whatever that might be.

    And as Forrest Gump said....."That's all I have to say about that."

    I'm out.
  • Theo166
    Theo166 Posts: 2,564 Member
    fitom80 wrote: »

    Yes this is not a simple moral dilemma. There are 25000 ppl in the world dying daily from hunger (10000 children). There are also simply treatable diseases many ppl in third world unnecessarily are dying from. In this context it doesn't sounds as dilemma but cynicism.

    Have to call BS on these sensational numbers. Below article gives a fair description of what's really going on
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22935692




  • NVintage
    NVintage Posts: 1,463 Member
    edited July 2021
    I see in the UK hospitalizations and death is very low with about 50 % of cases, now, being young and unvaccinated. Does anyone know if these kids are getting over it quickly or having chronic issues afterward? I can't find much data on that. I assume if hospitalization is low, then probably not having issues, right? The under 15 crowd are still looking like they're least likely to have any problems other than a cold.
  • Lietchi
    Lietchi Posts: 6,826 Member
    Chronic issues are definitely possible even without hospitalisation. You might find this interesting:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01433-3
  • NVintage
    NVintage Posts: 1,463 Member
    Thanks, I'll check that out!
    Lietchi wrote: »
    Chronic issues are definitely possible even without hospitalisation. You might find this interesting:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01433-3

  • nooshi713
    nooshi713 Posts: 4,877 Member
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    tmanfive wrote: »
    I was just saying, I wouldn’t take it until it was approved. I’m not using that as an excuse not to get it. I just won’t.

    If a couple few rounds of e-coil, meningitis, and the many extremely unsafe things I’ve done in my lifetime hasn’t done me in this won’t.

    A brown recluse spider bite, scorpion bites, and a tick bite that resulted in Anaplasmosis didn't do me in. Why? I received medical treatment.

    And I got the Covid vaccine.

    Oooh how did you do with the brown recluse bite??

    You sound like me. I’m always in nature and have been bit by a fish, stung by a school of jellyfish, and got my hand impaled by a sea urchin. Lol.
  • SuzySunshine99
    SuzySunshine99 Posts: 2,989 Member
    nooshi713 wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    tmanfive wrote: »
    I was just saying, I wouldn’t take it until it was approved. I’m not using that as an excuse not to get it. I just won’t.

    If a couple few rounds of e-coil, meningitis, and the many extremely unsafe things I’ve done in my lifetime hasn’t done me in this won’t.

    A brown recluse spider bite, scorpion bites, and a tick bite that resulted in Anaplasmosis didn't do me in. Why? I received medical treatment.

    And I got the Covid vaccine.

    Oooh how did you do with the brown recluse bite??

    You sound like me. I’m always in nature and have been bit by a fish, stung by a school of jellyfish, and got my hand impaled by a sea urchin. Lol.

    That's just the ocean's way of telling you that you don't belong there. :p